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mac66
11-09-2012, 19:05
AR pistol used as a pseudo SBR in a non-SBR state. This is carried on a concealed pistol permit and is a flat top. It has no BUIS. Currently has a cheap 1" tube red dot on it but looking for something better. Would like some thing with a 4 MOA or smaller dot, and good field of view and is durable enough to withstand banging around getting in an out of a vehicle frequently.

Would like to keep the cost below $200 so no Eotech, Aimpoint or ACOG need apply.

Open to tried and true suggestions. There are so many dot sights on the market that I am flummoxed trying to sort them all out.

And BTW, it has a 11.5" HB and a fixed* carbine buffer tube. It is uber reliable and accurate.

*fixed meaning a stock can't be put on it. It can however be fired from the shoulder with just the tube if needed.

This is what I am talking about. It has a different tube and sight than in this old photo.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/arpistol2.jpg

Matthew Courtney
11-09-2012, 19:13
Do you plan on shooting it in tight nose to charging handle or extended in a more typical handgun position?

Matthew Courtney
11-09-2012, 19:17
OK the picture helps. Vortex Spark or Sig Sauer RDS.

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mac66
11-09-2012, 19:22
Do you plan on shooting it in tight nose to charging handle or extended in a more typical handgun position?

Nose to charging handle. Don't need magnification. Range likely within 100 yards, mostly at night.

WinterWizard
11-09-2012, 19:24
You are conceal carrying an AR pistol? Time to stop watching Rambo movies, bro.

Matthew Courtney
11-09-2012, 19:33
You are conceal carrying an AR pistol? Time to stop watching Rambo movies, bro.

I did not percieve it to be a concealed carry piece, rather to be used in a longarm role, yet handy enough to get in an out of a vehicle with. When I travel in states that disallow a loaded rifle in the passenger compartment, my AR Pistol fills the same niche, truck gun!

Gunnut 45/454
11-09-2012, 19:56
Yep never could understand the purpose of this concept! Basically a spray and pray weapon. So you live where you can't have a SBR-Freaking MOVE!:faint:

Armchair Commando
11-09-2012, 21:02
You are conceal carrying an AR pistol? Time to stop watching Rambo movies, bro.

Time to stop judging people bro.

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Cole125
11-09-2012, 21:42
Look into a Burris Fastfire II or III, very rugged reliable little red dots. Small and light too, would be perfect for a AR pistol.

mac66
11-10-2012, 06:50
You are conceal carrying an AR pistol? Time to stop watching Rambo movies, bro.

So who asked you? I only asked if anyone had a suggestion for an optic.

mac66
11-10-2012, 07:23
Yep never could understand the purpose of this concept! Basically a spray and pray weapon. So you live where you can't have a SBR-Freaking MOVE!:faint:

Really, that's your suggestion? How astute. Guess you missed the part where I asked for suggestions for an optic, not on anything else.

Here's a suggestion for you. Start a thread discussing the merits of an AR pistol that can be fired accurately from the shoulder. I would be happy to contribute my experience.
:wavey:

Matthew Courtney
11-10-2012, 15:53
They can be fired accurately both from the shoulder and extended in two hands against a one point sling. In the role of a vehicle gun, they serve a niche that only a SBR or AOW can fill equally well.

There is not a lot of public discussion about it and SBR's are popular right now, but folks should not knock things with which they are not familiar. That is a tactic of anti gun folks and we need not help out our enemies.

Armchair Commando
11-10-2012, 16:35
They can be fired accurately both from the shoulder and extended in two hands against a one point sling. In the role of a vehicle gun, they serve a niche that only a SBR or AOW can fill equally well.

There is not a lot of public discussion about it and SBR's are popular right now, but folks should not knock things with which they are not familiar. That is a tactic of anti gun folks and we need not help out our enemies.

Good post and very accurate.

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Armchair Commando
11-10-2012, 16:36
Vortex strikefire is a good choice.

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LA_357SIG
11-10-2012, 16:50
Look into a Burris Fastfire II or III, very rugged reliable little red dots. Small and light too, would be perfect for a AR pistol.

I would agree except the one I had was defeated by a 10 year old. He hit the top of the housing on the bottom of a metal table at an indoor range and cracked the lens.

JimBianchi
11-10-2012, 17:01
I am considering a 7.5in version of a similar pistol.

The Vortex Sparc ($199) or the Primary Arms micro dot with a fixed base ($80, but out of stock) were the ones I was looking at.

Gunnut 45/454
11-10-2012, 17:22
mac66
You ask for optic option for a weapon that can't be held properly to use an optic? Hold it one handed it's unsteady for accurate fire. Hold it like a shoulder fire weapon? No proper cheak weld? Like I said useless.

MARSH1
11-10-2012, 17:29
I am considering a 7.5in version of a similar pistol.

The Vortex Sparc ($199) or the Primary Arms micro dot with a fixed base ($80, but out of stock) were the ones I was looking at.

Fixed base Micros are in the US waiting for customs clearance. 2-3 days.

LA_357SIG
11-10-2012, 17:39
mac66
You ask for optic option for a weapon that can't be held properly to use an optic? Hold it one handed it's unsteady for accurate fire. Hold it like a shoulder fire weapon? No proper cheak weld? Like I said useless.

I had a 7.5" pistol (in 2007) with an EOTech 512 on it and managed to hit what I shot at with consistent success.

ETA: Works best with single point sling. One hand. Two hands. Most fun you can have with your pants on. I wouldn't call it useless though.
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k252/chrisq_01/DCP_0098-2.jpg

Armchair Commando
11-10-2012, 18:43
mac66
You ask for optic option for a weapon that can't be held properly to use an optic? Hold it one handed it's unsteady for accurate fire. Hold it like a shoulder fire weapon? No proper cheak weld? Like I said useless.

I get a proper cheek weld on mine just fine. And you can easily fire them accurately. Only thing useless is your post.

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Travclem
11-10-2012, 19:38
I have a Bushnell TRS-25 on an SKS-m that has held up very well. Primary arms is also solid. I have their Comp M4 copy on my M&P 15-22.

Gratuitous pic of a 7.5" AR (sorry not a pistol)
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm252/travclem/7.jpg

mjkeat
11-10-2012, 22:15
Fixed base Micros are in the US waiting for customs clearance. 2-3 days.

I have a couple PA Micros along side my H1s. For a sub $200 the PA Micro is GTG.

DustyJacket
11-11-2012, 01:12
I use a Burris Fastfire II

http://www.dustyjacket.com/shooting/rra_lar9-1.jpg

MadMonkey
11-11-2012, 03:23
Pretty easy to tell who is capable of handling an AR pistol in here... :whistling: (hint: it's not the ones calling it useless).

OP, I have an EOTech on my pistol, but I ran a Primary Arms Micro Dot on one of my ARs for a while and loved it. It's held up really well and is only $80... plenty of reviews out there.

The Vortex Sparc and Strikefire are good choices too.

mac66
11-11-2012, 09:17
mac66
You ask for optic option for a weapon that can't be held properly to use an optic? Hold it one handed it's unsteady for accurate fire. Hold it like a shoulder fire weapon? No proper cheak weld? Like I said useless.

Wrong again Kimosobe.

You write it off because you don't have a frame of reference. The tube makes a passable support the way I have it set up. It is actually quite easy to shoot accurately particularly with the 11.5" heavy barrel. If you look at the photo, picture shooting the carbine with the stock all the way closed. Kind of the same thing.

The reason I posted my question is because I was up at my hunting property shooting this thing. I was hitting my 8" plate standing at 100 yards just by putting the red dot on the plate. I shot it prone and could hit it out to 175 yards pretty easily which is the length of my food plot. It was also pretty easy to keep rapid fire shots on a 20" steel silhouette at that distance. That could be useful. IMO. And...yeah I've also shoot it in 3 gun matches. The problem with the current sight is that has a too narrow field of view which prompted the question

In your ignorance you can continue to call it "useless" but it is actually pretty useful. You just don't know what you don't know.

JimBianchi
11-11-2012, 10:27
You just don't know what you don't know.

I've always loved that quote.