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I have always thought of Cabelas offering higher end quality products in their stores and promoting American made items,,,,,until a couple of days ago.
As I was going inside I stopped to look at the UTVs that they had outside on display. The UTVs had been branded with the "Coleman" product label,,but I suspected something different just by looking at the structure of the vehicle. I got down and looked at the rear suspension and sure as I thought,,,, There was a big sticker "Made in China".
Believe me guys,,these Chinese UTVs are nothing but crap....I have tried to work on them,,,,paper thin frame construction,,worthless suspension,,,no parts if you need them and you most certain will at some point. No dealer support and no one will want to work on them either.
Needless to say I now look differently at Cabela's
TheExplorer
11-10-2012, 14:30
I've honestly never seen people buy anything but candy there.
cowboywannabe
11-10-2012, 14:31
its the catalog version of walmart.
I love going to Cabela's. I bought my Mec Sizemaster shotshell reloader there last year, because they sent me a $20 discount coupon.
The closest store tome is in the Hobart/Gary area which is a 3 hour drive.
BTW, I have saw Coleman branded outboard motors at a local sporting goods store. They were also made in China.
The wife works there. They are a growing business and I think they are opening 7 stores this year.
Guess I need to start selling candy...
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pupcuss27
11-10-2012, 14:48
I have always thought of Cabelas offering higher end quality products in their stores and promoting American made items,,,,,until a couple of days ago.
There was a big sticker "Made in China".
Believe me guys,,these Chinese UTVs are nothing but crap....I have tried to work on them,,,,paper thin frame construction,,worthless suspension,,,no parts if you need them and you most certain will at some point. No dealer support and no one will want to work on them either.
Needless to say I now look differently at Cabela's
Good find racer11, your help nipping this crap is very much appreciated. This, along with the countless counterfeited Chinese other items must be watched for and reported to all of your contacts and the proper Boarder Patrol agents if possible. This crap and the free give a ways by Black Elvis are choking this country.
PUP
There is a bunch of crap at Cabela's, but I did get 8 pounds of
Win 748 for $100 after using my Cabela's Bucks this week.:tongueout:
TheExplorer
11-10-2012, 15:12
Guess I need to start selling candy...
Make sure it's hard candy. Old people LOVE hard candy.
MoparMan1991
11-10-2012, 15:18
I find Cabela's to be far better than Bass Pro as far as knowledge and staff around to help out. I had to wait at the BPS gun counter for 10 minutes before someone helped me, and there wasn't even anybody else getting any help.
certifiedfunds
11-10-2012, 15:34
Make sure it's hard candy. Old people LOVE hard candy.
Butterscotch
Fun place to go. Don't go broke there though. Could easily.
ClydeG19
11-10-2012, 15:56
They grown quite a bit the past two decades, so someone is buying stuff. I've read they won't build any more huge superstores anymore though. Instead they have had better results per square foot of sales floor with smaller (by Cabelas standards anyway) stores focusing on either higher volume or high margin items.
I've always thought Cabelas stuff was made in China crap.
They have a few good things, but anything with the Cabelas name on it is definitely Chinese junk.
HollowHead
11-10-2012, 16:37
Should not your beef be with Coleman? HH
Expect more of it in a down economy. Many people are stepping down a rung or two on the retail ladder to make ends meet or to keep their hobbies going.
Besides if someone is going to be using their gear hard they aren't going to go to Cabela's to get it.
I've never been to a store, but in the past 20 years I've bought enough stuff that they've sent me hardback catalogs for the past six years or so.
Cabela's going down? Is the economy still bumpy? I know I haven't made another $1100 order recently.
John
RenoF250
11-10-2012, 17:46
Yeah, I would never buy a Chinese UTV. The ones I have seen look like the frames were welded by Stevie Wonder. I think they are purchased by old farts buying them for their grand kids that do not know any better. If money is an issue I would much rather have a used Honda/Yamaha etc.
Yeah, I would never buy a Chinese UTV. The ones I have seen look like the frames were welded by Stevie Wonder. I think they are purchased by old farts buying them for their grand kids that do not know any better. If money is an issue I would much rather have a used Honda/Yamaha etc.
I have already had to weld up a section of the rear suspension on my friends UTV. The super thin metal was a problem to weld with a wire feed welder. We unhooked the horn because it kept honking on and off. When the automatic clutch plates wear out,,who knows where we can get replacements. The CV boots are not sealed properly,,,so any moisture can get in the joints easily,,,who knows where we can get replacements for those either.
Expect more of it in a down economy. Many people are stepping down a rung or two on the retail ladder to make ends meet or to keep their hobbies going.
Besides if someone is going to be using their gear hard they aren't going to go to Cabela's to get it.
Not sure I'd go that far, they do carry quality stuff, it's just that the Cabela's branded stuff is usually chinese and sub par.
Not sure I would bash quality of Danner, Swarovski, Zeiss, Leica etc.
Why blame the store? Here's how this works:
1) Put USA made item on the shelf.
2) It doesn't sell. Or doesn't sell very quickly.
3) Put Chinese made item next to it 20% cheaper.
4) Chinese item sells like mad because consumers DON'T CARE that it is made in China.
5) Discontinue USA made product because it still doesn't sell.
The consumer is in complete control over the product selection. Cabela's and other stores are just reacting to demand. Very simply either react to demand or go out of business.
Cabela's is a great store, excelling at what they intend to do: Delight their customers. Regardless of your complaint, if you take it to them, they will usually make you happy before you leave. (I know that this didn't happen to your brother/boss/neighbor, etc, but regardless..)
They sell stuff. They distribute stuff. They're retail.
And I'm betting that if you buy a Coleman UTV from them, and you're unhappy with it, they'll find a way to make you happy.
Coleman, maybe notsomuch. I don't know. I wouldn't buy any UTV/ATV without some very thorough research, either. (And I did research, BTW. Hello Honda.)
Sorry, I don't buy the claim that Cabela's is going downhill just because they sell a cheap China made UTV. Yes, I've seen them, I wouldn't buy one, it is a piece of crap. But no matter where you buy, buyer beware is the rule.
Virtually every retailer in America now sells cheap China made goods. Cabela's is no different. They market a wide variety of products, most of good to excellent quality. For hunters, Cabela's designs and sells clothing that no other company produces. It is a niche they have excelled in. While not perfect, Cabela's is first rate among sporting goods chains in my opinion.
fowl intent
11-10-2012, 19:27
Cabela's is one of the best mail order outfits out there. In the old days, and I mean 25 years or so ago, all of their clothing and other items bearing their name WERE USA made. But as has been pointed out, it's tough to keep manufacturing in the US when the US consumer would rather save a little $$ and buy Chinese/Vietnamese/Guatamala made goods. They have great customer service. I can't say anything about their retail stores because I have never been in one. I can only hope that they will start building stores in the southern states soon.
Make sure it's hard candy. Old people LOVE hard candy.
:rofl::rofl:
RenoF250
11-10-2012, 19:35
Why blame the store? Here's how this works:
1) Put USA made item on the shelf.
2) It doesn't sell. Or doesn't sell very quickly.
3) Put Chinese made item next to it 20% cheaper.
4) Chinese item sells like mad because consumers DON'T CARE that it is made in China.
5) Discontinue USA made product because it still doesn't sell.
The consumer is in complete control over the product selection. Cabela's and other stores are just reacting to demand. Very simply either react to demand or go out of business.
It is more than a 20% difference and I and many people I know buy the American stuff.
If more people would just learn to have and appreciate a few really nice things instead of having to have one of everything and everything cheap the US economy would be better off.
China is great at copying things. First they copy a product and start selling it. Then they figure out ways to cut costs. When the product has driven the original off the market and the Chinese version is cheapened down to complete crap they find something else to copy.
HollowHead
11-10-2012, 19:41
Not sure I'd go that far, they do carry quality stuff, it's just that the Cabela's branded stuff is usually chinese and sub par.
Not sure I would bash quality of Danner, Swarovski, Zeiss, Leica etc.
Cabela's branded footwear (made by Meindl of Germany) is some of the finest available anywhere by anyone. HH
Cabela's branded footwear (made by Meindl of Germany) is some of the finest available anywhere by anyone. HH
Some of their Cabelas brand stuff is great! Some of it is more expensive stuff just rebranded. For example Cabelas Carbon Hunter Arrows are Beman ICS Bowhunters Arros. The Bemans cost 80$ at cabelas, and the Cabelas Brand are like 60$.
But much of their stuff is over priced. I find better deals on most things online elsewhere.
I do have a bad habit of walking out of their store a few hundred dollars lighter though.:whistling:
Not sure I would bash quality of Danner, Swarovski, Zeiss, Leica etc.
Next time your in a store that sells Danners take a look at where a few of them are made. If they don't say Danner on the back they were made in china.
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sharpshooter
11-10-2012, 21:17
I am very pleased with the Cabela's brand MT050 GoreTex/Thinsulate extreme jacket I just bought on sale. It's very high quality, and is made in Vietnam. If anything ever goes wrong with it, Cabela's will make it right.
They are way too high on what they sell....
FLIPPER 348
11-10-2012, 21:24
Good find racer11, your help nipping this crap is very much appreciated. This, along with the countless counterfeited Chinese other items must be watched for and reported to all of your contacts and the proper Boarder Patrol agents if possible.
PUP
...so you think this Coleman with the 'made in China' tag product was not actually a Coleman product??
stevelyn
11-10-2012, 21:56
If you're buying a UTV at a chain store rather than a dealership, then you deserve what you get.
MoparMan1991
11-10-2012, 22:07
Also, I bought a Cabelas canvas coat a couple years ago and I must say for $50 it's one of the best coats I've ever had.
sombunya
11-10-2012, 22:36
I've always thought Cabelas stuff was made in China crap.
They have a few good things, but anything with the Cabelas name on it is definitely Chinese junk.
I bought an EOTech Holographic Sight And a Shooting Chrony, made in Canada. The EOTech is fabulous.
We also bought some Cabelas branded cold weather clothing that is excellent too. I'm 6'7" and they had my size in stock.
Snap-On sells an impact wrench that's made in China. They also sell one (that I have) that's made in Wisconsin, USA. Maybe we should stop buying Snap-On too.
sharpshooter
11-10-2012, 23:12
Cabela's brand clothes is high quality and yes they do carry tall sizes. Where else does a guy find a quality GoreTex 2xl tall jacket?
I also have a Cabela's brand tent, again, very high quality, proven waterproof in rain storms, and I'm extremely pleased with it. Cabela's backs up their products with a great warranty.
Other name brand items are slightly more expensive than some other retailers, I generally shop whoever has the best price.
If you're buying a UTV at a chain store rather than a dealership, then you deserve what you get.
I don't know much about UTV's, but I know kayaks and their kayaks are nothing to be impressed by. Dicks has better ones than Cabelas.
Their big stuff like that seems kinda chintzy. I can only imagine how their mail order log cabins are!:wow:
Cabela's branded footwear (made by Meindl of Germany) is some of the finest available anywhere by anyone. HH
Agreed, but the two pair of Meindl's I own CLEARLY say Meindl on them. (they ALSO say Cabela's but....)
They DO have some quality "branded" stuff, but a huge chunk of it is Chinese crap.
All of this notwithstanding there is one less than a mile from my office and I go to Cabela's about twice a week.
There is certainly no better place to get most sporting goods locally.
cabelas, gander mountain, and brass pro shops are all nothing more than fancy window dressing for the exact same crap you can get from the sportsman's guide catalog. the sportman's guide is the harbor freight of the outdoor world.
Folsom_Prison
11-11-2012, 00:01
One of the guys I used to work with bought a pair of cabelas insulated branded boots, said they were the best he'd ever had. Paid 60 bucks for then to!!
Grabbrass
11-11-2012, 00:24
I know it's been said already, but shouldn't your complaint be with Coleman??
HollowHead
11-11-2012, 00:36
I know it's been said already, but shouldn't your complaint be with Coleman??
Coleman has done some very bizarre stuff of late. Their dabbling into the motorcyle world by starting that Big Dog Motorcycle Company, Inc. fiasco may have been the beginning of the end. Could ChiCom UTV's bring back the multiple millions they lost on that disaster? HH
4949shooter
11-11-2012, 04:45
Eventually Cabelas will get around to realizing the Coleman UTV's are a cheap knockoff and will eliminate them from their line. Cabelas didn't achieve it's measure of success by being a shoddy retailer.
Big Bird
11-11-2012, 04:49
If you're buying a UTV at a chain store rather than a dealership, then you deserve what you get.
This...
Besides, if you buy anything but a Polaris Ranger you are a loser anyhow...:supergrin::tongueout:
I knew Coleman had jumped the shark when they came out with a Paul Jr.-branded grill :)
http://www.coleman.com/product/2000005024#.UJ-Xb4XzE7A
A Cabela's superstore opened in Hartford, CT a few years ago. What bug me about the place is the fakeness of it... all the plastic "log" railings, fake "mountain", etc. And all the employees being called "outfitters". Just frikkin' call 'em employees.
I was very skeptical about the store.
As it turns out... The "outfitters" are polite! And helpful! And most actually seem to know what they are talking about. When I went there last fall to buy blackpowder supplies, I talked with the guy who helped me for about 20 minutes about shooting flintlocks and in-lines. He was very knowledgeable and happy to talk "stuff".
For last Christmas, wife bought me a pair of Cabela's hunting pants she found in their "bargain cave". They are AWESOME. Quiet, warm, waterproof. Stupid expensive when not on sale, but fantastic for what she paid.
So far, everything I've bought from Cabela's, and labeled as "Cabela's", has been at a minimum good, and usually great. A friend of mine, who is very cheap (well, I guess "value oriented" is more polite), has virtually given up and just buys from Cabela's now.
I really, really hope that Cabela's is careful in the future. I can see them looking at the profit margin of cutting quality for greater sales. Hopefully they will maintain quality.
Oh, and I know nothing about UTVs.
shadow_dog
11-11-2012, 06:20
FWIW I personally like Cabelas a lot more than Bass Pro. I have a Bass Pro about 4miles from my house. I go there maybe once a year. My wife and I make a "road trip" to Cabelas about 3 times a year, thats about a 4 hour drive each way. Yeah I know, call me nuts.
Big Bird
11-11-2012, 06:24
Cabela's has excellent outdoor clothing. I love their neoprene waders for duck hunting. Mine are on their 4th season and I probably hunt 30-35 days a year in them.
I also like their hunting coats and bibbs.
Good Stuff.
SevenSixtyTwo
11-11-2012, 06:31
Why blame the store? Here's how this works:
1) Put USA made item on the shelf.
2) It doesn't sell. Or doesn't sell very quickly.
3) Put Chinese made item next to it 20% cheaper.
4) Chinese item sells like mad because consumers DON'T CARE that it is made in China.
5) Discontinue USA made product because it still doesn't sell.
The consumer is in complete control over the product selection. Cabela's and other stores are just reacting to demand. Very simply either react to demand or go out of business.
Or in the case of Apple products, put Chinese made Apple product on shelf for hideously high price and people will buy it. Typing on my MacBook at the moment. It's not price. It's image and perceived quality for the price. My $2k Trek bicycle was made in China. Stickers on various parts of my F250 say made in China. It's hard to buy American products and it has nothing to do with price but everything to do with profits.
wprebeck
11-11-2012, 06:44
Cabela's has excellent outdoor clothing. I love their neoprene waders for duck hunting. Mine are on their 4th season and I probably hunt 30-35 days a year in them.
I also like their hunting coats and bibbs.
Good Stuff.
Got a store opening up on the east end next year - can't wait. I used to spend a lot of money at Bass Pro. Bought one of their Redhead brand hunting jackets, spent almost $300 on it. The label said "Bone Dry" (TM stuff). Bone-dry my ass...got soaked in it last year.
Called BPS for warranty stuff. Sorry, it only lasts for a year. Contrast that with Cabela's, who's branded stuff has a lifetime warranty. Bought a new waterfowler jacket from them this year. Warm, keeps wind off real well, great stuff. Can't wait for the store to open. **** a Bass Pro store and their crappy warranty.
Oh, also got Cabelas waders last year - fit GREAT, easy to get on, no fighting like the BPS brand that ripped apart thru the entire center seams.
Big Bird - where do you duck hunt, and do you need someone to come help throw out dekes? I'm addicted to the sport, and even bought a new gun last year (Remington SP-10) for it.
relayman
11-11-2012, 07:44
I love it when people single out a particular retailer for selling " Chinese crap " . News flash folks . EVERYBODY SELLS CHINESE CRAP .
It is more than a 20% difference and I and many people I know buy the American stuff.
How many people do you know? I process about 500 transactions a day at my store (a relatively small store at that). I can tell you only a small percentage of those people care about where the product was made. Many of them sit and complain about how much this or that has gone up in price over the last 5 years.
Retailers simply comply with market demands. Price is a higher priority than where it was made. Also, the Chinese make the products to the specification of the buyer.
FullClip
11-11-2012, 10:08
The nearest Cabela's store to me is in Scarborough Maine. You can go there and buy cheap made in China stuff, or you can drive 1/2 an hour north up to Freeport to L.L. Beans and buy expensive made in China stuff.
I actually like some of their clothes and the fact that they stock a lot of "tall" sized items.
The "Gun Library" at the store is a dangerous place for me....they got some nice stuff in there....and none of it's made in China!!
G29Reload
11-11-2012, 11:17
Cabela's
Bass Pro Shop
GangsterMountain.
All the same, overpriced retail crap.
I do mail order from more competitive shops.
Doesn't stop me from shopping and getting ideas from the big guys, but then I go online and get it somewhere else cheaper.
Retail is usually for suckers or people desperate in a need it now situation.
As I type this I'm on hold with Cabelas waiting for someone to answer my question about the chinese UTVs.
I want to know who will service this 8 thousand dollar toy when it breaks,, or who will supply replacement parts. So far they can't find anyone to answer my question about this. So much for Cabelas customer service and warranty policy. I'm interested in where this will go.....
Finally someone got back to me,,,,this guy was in the boat department and told me that he was paid by commission only,,,,of course he was kinda high pressuring me to buy one of these Chinese gizmo's.
He said the company that makes these UTVs was called "Hisun" and offered several models to choose from. He said that Cabelas has a service department that will do warranty work and service work after the warranty period of 12 months. He said replacement parts can be purchased thru Coleman or some place in Dallas Tx.
I googled Hisun and found a forum and read some posts in the forum,,, From the problems I read in the forum I certainly would not want a Chinese knock off UTV. Incidentally the guy at cabelas told me that Hisun makes makes UTVs for Yamaha,,, I doubted that claim,,,the Yamaha dealer around here would never work on a Chinese type ATV.
I only buy ammo there. I look at their "Online" sales and go to the near store. They honor the Online price. When they didn't have enough, they shipped the balance it to my house free.
JJohnson
11-11-2012, 11:36
As I type this I'm on hold with Cabelas waiting for someone to answer my question about the chinese UTVs.
I want to know who will service this 8 thousand dollar toy when it breaks,, or who will supply replacement parts. So far they can't find anyone to answer my question about this. So much for Cabelas customer service and warranty policy. I'm interested in where this will go.....
Believe me guys,,these Chinese UTVs are nothing but crap....I have tried to work on them,,,,paper thin frame construction,,worthless suspension,,,no parts if you need them and you most certain will at some point. No dealer support and no one will want to work on them either.
Are you actually interested in buying one, or are you just being an ass? I bet whichever call center you are bothering has better things to do.
4949shooter
11-11-2012, 12:29
I only buy ammo there. I look at their "Online" sales and go to the near store. They honor the Online price. When they didn't have enough, they shipped the balance it to my house free.
That's good to know.
Are you actually interested in buying one, or are you just being an ass? I bet whichever call center you are bothering has better things to do.
No joke. If you don't want one don't buy one.
And yes, the Hisun's are crap, caveat emptor and go on about your own business.
This, along with the countless counterfeited Chinese other items must be watched for and reported to all of your contacts and the proper Boarder Patrol agents if possible.
PUP
Lol...what is the Border Patrol going to do? It's not illegal to sell Chinese products, you know,and it certainly isn't counterfeit. Everyone knows that the cheap flimsy stuff comes from there.
FLIPPER 348
11-11-2012, 13:13
No joke. If you don't want one don't buy one.
And yes, the Hisun's are crap, caveat emptor and go on about your own business.
Well what fun would that be??
Are you actually interested in buying one, or are you just being an ass? I bet whichever call center you are bothering has better things to do.
Hell no ! I'm not going to buy one,,,no Chinese junk for me. I'm just pointing out that Cableas is marketing expensive junk UTVs and mis leading consumers that they are a "Coleman" product. To most of us we think of Coleman as the camping equipment we have always known. Well it is not friggin so. Cabelas is tricking the consumer,, the Coleman they are offering is really "Coleman powersports" who is a Chinese distributor of Chicom crap. Namely the Hisun UTV that they offer,, and is no associated with Coleman of Wichita Kansas.
http://colemanpowered.com/en/productsmotors.html
Hell no ! I'm not going to buy one,,,no Chinese junk for me. I'm just pointing out that Cableas is marketing expensive junk UTVs and mis leading consumers that they are a "Coleman" product. To most of us we think of Coleman as the camping equipment we have always known. Well it is not friggin so. Cabelas is tricking the consumer,, the Coleman they are offering is really "Coleman powersports" who is a Chinese distributor of Chicom crap. Namely the Hisun UTV that they offer,, and is no associated with Coleman of Wichita Kansas.
http://colemanpowered.com/en/productsmotors.html
A: most of Coleman's products have been CRAP made in China for years now
B: Cabela's is not "tricking" anyone, they are in fact a line of powersports equipment offered by Coleman
C: They ARE associated with Coleman of Kansas, Coleman has decided to lend their name to yet another crappy Chinese product, big friggin whoop!
and to pick some more fly **** outta pepper with you: BULLCRAP that a Yamaha dealer will not work on them, dealers will work on anything you bring them as long as you pay the shop rate.
And for the record I am not defending them due to some brand loyalty, I am a happy Polaris Ranger owner.
Not sure exactly how this bug got this far up your ass, but you ought to see someone about it.
certifiedfunds
11-11-2012, 20:33
Hell no ! I'm not going to buy one,,,no Chinese junk for me. I'm just pointing out that Cableas is marketing expensive junk UTVs and mis leading consumers that they are a "Coleman" product. To most of us we think of Coleman as the camping equipment we have always known. Well it is not friggin so. Cabelas is tricking the consumer,, the Coleman they are offering is really "Coleman powersports" who is a Chinese distributor of Chicom crap. Namely the Hisun UTV that they offer,, and is no associated with Coleman of Wichita Kansas.
http://colemanpowered.com/en/productsmotors.html
Coleman has their name on a lot of junk. This isn't Cabelas sticking a coleman badge on it. Cabelas can't do that. Only Coleman can do that.
Wake_jumper
11-11-2012, 21:15
I Spent last night in a Cabela’s brand sleeping bag, on a Cabela’s brand pad, in a Cabela’s brand tent. Slept warm and dry even though it was pouring down rain outside.
I have lots of their branded stuff and find it to be good quality and a good value. I choose what to buy there, like I do everywhere else. And like every retailer, some of the stuff they sell is good and some isn't.
If you think the Coleman UTV is poor quality, then don't buy it. But why condemn an entire store for selling it? And if it is poor quality and they get a lot of customer complaints, I guarantee it will quietly disappear from their stores.
certifiedfunds
11-11-2012, 22:00
He said the company that makes these UTVs was called "Hisun" and offered several models to choose from. He said that Cabelas has a service department that will do warranty work and service work after the warranty period of 12 months. He said replacement parts can be purchased thru Coleman or some place in Dallas Tx.
So what else do you want? Warranty, service, parts
Buy one or don't buy one. I still can't figure out exactly what you have stuck in your craw.
JJohnson
11-11-2012, 22:04
Hell no ! ...
You could have ended it right there.
Henry's Dad
11-11-2012, 22:52
To echo what others have said:
I won't question Cabela's success as a retailer, but in terms of my retail dollars, they could be getting a lot more from me if they offered some kind of price-match guarantee, or simply got realistic about retail pricing in the age of the shopper-armed-with-smartphone.
I'm lucky to have one close by for the essentials or the occasional impulse buy, but I wonder if they will have to radically alter their brick-and-mortar side of the business to deal with people like me who go there to see things in person (or try on an article of clothing, etc) before I buy it online somewhere else for much less.
Even my impulse buying habits have changed. An impulse buy is all the more satisfying when you decide you just HAVE to have whatever it is, and then go pay 30% less for it online.
Given the volume that Cabela's sells, it's disappointing what they charge for firearms. At or near MSRP for nearly everything.
But, then again, that proves the point: they do massive volume and don't give a second thought to charging MSRP for guns. And people keep buying...
HollowHead
11-11-2012, 23:16
Hell no ! I'm not going to buy one,,,no Chinese junk for me. I'm just pointing out that Cableas is marketing expensive junk UTVs and mis leading consumers that they are a "Coleman" product. To most of us we think of Coleman as the camping equipment we have always known. Well it is not friggin so. Cabelas is tricking the consumer,, the Coleman they are offering is really "Coleman powersports" who is a Chinese distributor of Chicom crap. Namely the Hisun UTV that they offer,, and is no associated with Coleman of Wichita Kansas.
http://colemanpowered.com/en/productsmotors.html
The current Ford Mustang GT's have so much Chinese content that they're known to inexplicitly roam the streets looking for stray cats to cook. The transmissions alone are a monument to Chairman Mao and react accordingly. But, it's still called a Ford, a Mustang and a GT to boot. Welcome to "profit in America." HH
Big Bird
11-12-2012, 04:55
Big Bird - where do you duck hunt, and do you need someone to come help throw out dekes? I'm addicted to the sport, and even bought a new gun last year (Remington SP-10) for it.
I belong to a club down in NE Arkansas and do the bulk of my waterfowling down there. Most every weekend beginning this Friday I'll be down there until the end of January. There are some limited waterfowling opportunities around here. Right now there seems to be some birds on the Kentucky River and I've put my boat in near Frankfurt and on the Ohio. But finding birds here is hit or miss depending on weather patterns more than anything else. There are some small flocks of resident birds on Taylorsville lake and I've done that as well. But if you really want to get into some birds you need to go west near the Flyway.
You are shooting an SP10? Holy crap....
Not really needed over Dekes. But I guess you can do some skybusting with it...
certifiedfunds
11-12-2012, 05:34
I belong to a club down in NE Arkansas and do the bulk of my waterfowling down there. Most every weekend beginning this Friday I'll be down there until the end of January. There are some limited waterfowling opportunities around here. Right now there seems to be some birds on the Kentucky River and I've put my boat in near Frankfurt and on the Ohio. But finding birds here is hit or miss depending on weather patterns more than anything else. There are some small flocks of resident birds on Taylorsville lake and I've done that as well. But if you really want to get into some birds you need to go west near the Flyway.
You are shooting an SP10? Holy crap....
Not really needed over Dekes. But I guess you can do some skybusting with it...
Cash?
Big Bird
11-12-2012, 05:43
Cash?
Double post
Big Bird
11-12-2012, 05:44
Cash?
Yes...it takes many rupees to keep Ghandi in poverty and Big Bird in ducks...
We have about 10 pit blinds on about 10k acres of leased flooded rice fields and about 5 miles of flooded timber leased from a lumber company along the Black River...of course it takes cash to maintain all that. Last year the club collectively took over 5,000 ducks. There weren't many days I didn't limit out but there were more than a few that I had to really work for my limit and some that I was done by 9AM... Plus we have 3 or 4 "safe houses" for the members to stay in during the season and park our ATV's and boats and get a shower and let the dogs dry off and eat. All that costs dough.
Max the duck dog. That's $1600 worth of professional retriever training right there not counting dog food, vet bills, cost of the mutt and grief from the wife... :)
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Shelbyskinner/IMG_0042.jpg
A good day for Redheads and Canvasbacks towards the end of January last year...we normally don't see many of either species in Arkansas...mostly we get Teal, Wood Ducks, Mallards, Pintails, Shovelers, and a few other more common species.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Shelbyskinner/RedsandCans.jpg
certifiedfunds
11-12-2012, 06:01
Yes...it takes many rupees to keep Ghandi in poverty and Big Bird in ducks...
We have about 10 pit blinds on about 10k acres of leased flooded rice fields and about 5 miles of flooded timber leased from a lumber company along the Black River...of course it takes cash to maintain all that. Last year the club collectively took over 5,000 ducks. There weren't many days I didn't limit out but there were more than a few that I had to really work for my limit and some that I was done by 9AM... Plus we have 3 or 4 "safe houses" for the members to stay in during the season and park our ATV's and boats and get a shower and let the dogs dry off and eat. All that costs dough.
Max the duck dog. That's $1600 worth of professional retriever training right there not counting dog food, vet bills, cost of the mutt and grief from the wife... :)
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Shelbyskinner/IMG_0042.jpg
A good day for Redheads and Canvasbacks towards the end of January last year...we normally don't see many of either species in Arkansas...mostly we get Teal, Wood Ducks, Mallards, Pintails, Shovelers, and a few other more common species.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Shelbyskinner/RedsandCans.jpg
Lol. No. I meant Cash, Arkansas.
As in the only time there is cash in Cash is during duck season.
Big Bird
11-12-2012, 06:05
Lol. No. I meant Cash, Arkansas.
As in the only time there is cash in Cash is during duck season.
No, we are in a tiny little spot on the map not far from Piggot and Paragold. Right on the Missouri Border. There's a gas station that closes at 6PM and a choke and puke that's only open for dinner when they feel like cooking. One street light and a few lost souls who's cars broke down and they couldn't afford to fix it (cause its still up on blocks in the front yard) or too lazy to hitchhike and keep going.
Peace Warrior
11-12-2012, 06:19
Gander-Mountain had a bait net I needed once a few years back. Their price was $18.9somthing... I thought it was too high and passed. I did get a good deal on some close out stock fishing tackle they had in the bargain bins though.
After another full fishing season of using my old, less than suited for the job bait net, I went back to Gander to get the one I actually needed and thought the way too high $18 price would be worth not being frustrated catching bait in the upcoming year.
However, the price at gander was now $24.9something for the exact same net, and this was only a year later. I decided to save six bucks and buy the net now :supergrin: instead waiting another year to pay $30.9something.
Mrs.Cicero
11-12-2012, 07:33
Cabelas is great - I put everything we buy (gas, groceries, etc) on the Cabelas card all year long, and then use the points to buy guns and bows. I paid $67 cash for my M&P. The rest was points. The only reason we could afford the crossbow I have is because points made up the difference between the budgeted amount, and the price of the model I wanted.
Having said that, we're going to a cash economy here in January, aside from the monthly bills, gas, and some online purchases, which will stay on the card. I'm kind of bummed about it, but Mr.C wants it that way.
certifiedfunds
11-12-2012, 07:37
I've never seen so much belly aching about something so trivial.
FLIPPER 348
11-12-2012, 08:11
I've never seen so much belly aching about something so trivial.
....says someone with 149 posts in the College Football thread!
certifiedfunds
11-12-2012, 08:17
....says someone with 149 posts in the College Football thread!
Bahahahaha ! Well done!
FLIPPER 348
11-12-2012, 08:19
I'm weak on Monday mornings, couldn't resist!
SFCSMITH(RET)
11-12-2012, 08:41
Well hell. I like 'em.
I don't buy stuff that I don't think is high enough quality to do the job. I actually don't doubt that the company that makes the said UTV for Coleman also makes UTV's.. or parts for Yamaha. people who think otherwise don't know ^&$ about manufacturing. The same company that made the Ford Pinto, made the Ford GT. The same company that makes the LS7 made the crappy 2.0 in my nieces car that craps a head gasket every 10k miles.
It's called specifications. A manufacturer makes parts to the end user specifications. Yamaha sets a spec, Coleman sets a spec. Same facility can/will make the parts.. one is cheaper/easier.. costs less..
In the UTV world, lots of people never put more than 100 hours on them and never go over any terrain more difficult than my front ditch.. They don't need, nor will they pay for a "real UTV". It's a friggin toy. They don't have to worry that their livestock will die if the UTV won't start/stop/carry etc.. or whatever YOU need a UTV to do.
Diesel McBadass
11-12-2012, 08:50
I love cabelas. People on these forums always say " support your local gunshot."
I would, if I had one. Thing is, Cabelas is my LGS. There are good deals if you look. Used guns are a ripoff. New are same price lol.
Vic Hays
11-12-2012, 10:35
Profit is what drives business in a capitalist society. Chinese stuff is ridiculously inexpensive on the wholesale level. It makes good business sense to buy for 10 cents and sell it for a dollar. American manufacturing has taken a beating because most manufacturers in this country would be ashamed to sell such flimsy products. We can thank the WTO and American politicians for their lack of protection for US business. This is the real reason for our manufacturing jobs going off shore.
nathanours
11-12-2012, 10:55
I've always thought Cabelas stuff was made in China crap.
They have a few good things, but anything with the Cabelas name on it is definitely Chinese junk.
I disagree. I've got a cabelas brand fly pole that is very nice. It's about 8 years old and I've probably caught over 1000 fish with it. I got it as a beater to take where I didn't want to bring my nicer orvis. The cabelas pole is almost as good, feels great, has good build quality, and keeps on going.
nathanours
11-12-2012, 10:57
Well hell. I like 'em.
I don't buy stuff that I don't think is high enough quality to do the job. I actually don't doubt that the company that makes the said UTV for Coleman also makes UTV's.. or parts for Yamaha. people who think otherwise don't know ^&$ about manufacturing. The same company that made the Ford Pinto, made the Ford GT. The same company that makes the LS7 made the crappy 2.0 in my nieces car that craps a head gasket every 10k miles.
It's called specifications. A manufacturer makes parts to the end user specifications. Yamaha sets a spec, Coleman sets a spec. Same facility can/will make the parts.. one is cheaper/easier.. costs less..
In the UTV world, lots of people never put more than 100 hours on them and never go over any terrain more difficult than my front ditch.. They don't need, nor will they pay for a "real UTV". It's a friggin toy. They don't have to worry that their livestock will die if the UTV won't start/stop/carry etc.. or whatever YOU need a UTV to do.
Well at least the 'vettes are made in an entirely different facility than the other chevys...
Clutch Cargo
11-12-2012, 11:09
I find Cabela's to be far better than Bass Pro as far as knowledge and staff around to help out. I had to wait at the BPS gun counter for 10 minutes before someone helped me, and there wasn't even anybody else getting any help.
I've got both stores within 15 miles of home. Cabela's firearms equipment selection and ammo variety far surpasses Bass Pro.
Last time in Bass Pro, I wanted a couple boxes of 7mm WSM for my new Savage rifle. They had one brand and only one weight/kind of bullet. Their 375H&H is also poor.
Zombie Surgeon
11-12-2012, 11:15
I wish we had a Cabelas here in Kommiefornia.
They will never open a store here - too many lieberal gun hating Obama arse kissers living in this State.
SFCSMITH(RET)
11-12-2012, 11:57
Well at least the 'vettes are made in an entirely different facility than the other chevys...
And it's a very nice facility at that. Was just there. They also make a Cadillac there.
American manufacturing has taken a beating because most manufacturers in this country would be ashamed to sell such flimsy products.
I disagree. American manufacturers will make cheap junk too. Difference is that the union wage to do so is about 5x higher. Just the same as most folks on here whine about the price difference between online and brick and mortar businesses shop around for the best price on products they want to sell. If the made in the USA product cost $10 and the Chinese product cost $5 well guess what? The consumer will not pay the extra so neither will the retailer.
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PrecisionRifleman
11-12-2012, 12:47
I find Cabela's to be far better than Bass Pro as far as knowledge and staff around to help out. I had to wait at the BPS gun counter for 10 minutes before someone helped me, and there wasn't even anybody else getting any help.
Agreed, Bass Pro has horrible customer service. So much so that I don't shop there. I do like Cabelas though.
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I wish we had a Cabelas here in Kommiefornia.
They will never open a store here - too many lieberal gun hating Obama arse kissers living in this State.
You never know... I was shocked when Cabela's came to Connecticut.
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