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Gunhaver
11-11-2012, 21:30
http://news.yahoo.com/deadly-blast-devastates-indianapolis-neighborhood-220044324.html

WTH? Arsenal? Gas line?

Atlas
11-11-2012, 21:38
Meth lab?

rhikdavis
11-11-2012, 21:42
George Bush.

Rooster Rugburn
11-11-2012, 21:55
http://news.yahoo.com/deadly-blast-devastates-indianapolis-neighborhood-220044324.html

WTH? Arsenal? Gas line?

8 minutes after the blast, Janet Napolitano announced that it did not appear to be terrorism related and nothing more than a man made disaster.

kf4zra
11-11-2012, 21:55
George Bush.

this.

JW1178
11-11-2012, 21:57
Holy hell. Was someone building a nuclear reactor in their basement? I've seen the results of some bad gas leaks, but completely leveling the surrounding houses? They say they have ruled out a bomb or meth lab but damn what else would cause that?

I have jokes, but innocent people seem to have been killed so I'll wait.

10mm?

Who started re-loading this weekend?

Power is getting expensive, but messing with nuclear reactors in your basement isn't a good idea.

Couldn't resist.

Sporaticus
11-11-2012, 21:59
It was a negligent discharge of a 10mm.

*ASH*
11-11-2012, 22:12
a Moccasin

dakrat
11-11-2012, 22:14
honey badger

sappy13
11-11-2012, 22:25
wow, thats crazy how much damage one explosion did. Must have been one big gas line, a huge meth lab, or 2 ND doubletaps of 10mm.

Sgt127
11-11-2012, 22:29
I've seen a few houses leveled in meth cook oopsies. Never seen it take out adjacent houses like that.

Seen a couple houses that blew up from gas leaks...that looks pretty close. Insulation in trees around the whole block. Hell of a fire though, usually don't see quite that much fire damage to other structures....

Either way, that was one hell of an explosion.

Detectorist
11-11-2012, 22:37
Looks like gas explosion. Maybe even happened on the second story where the damage could spread more readily.

dang.

TK-421
11-11-2012, 22:39
I think it's crazy that not only did it level two houses, but apparently it damaged countless others so severely that they'll have to be torn down. There are going to be lots of insurance payouts.

samurairabbi
11-11-2012, 22:43
An initial report here: the house that was at the focus of the blast was vacant and posted for sale. Morning line is a gas leak with an unusually large gas accumulation.before detonation.

Simultaneous firing of two 10mm protection-rated rounds has not been ruled out, but no casings have yet been recovered.

Hauptmann6
11-11-2012, 22:52
Gas leak in the house, hit optimum mixture and had an ignition source and boom!

PhotoFeller
11-11-2012, 22:54
The widespread damage (2 homes destroyed, 80 damaged) suggests something more than a gas leak. If it was gas, the circumstances must have been unusual, like accumulation in side-by-side homes and simultaneous detonation. The destruction just seems too vast for a single house incident.

HollowHead
11-11-2012, 23:01
Frank Rizzo must have gotten new helicopters, better explosives and gone rogue. HH

TK-421
11-11-2012, 23:04
An initial report here: the house that was at the focus of the blast was vacant and posted for sale. Morning line is a gas leak with an unusually large gas accumulation.before detonation.

Simultaneous firing of two 10mm protection-rated rounds has not been ruled out, but no casings have yet been recovered.

I think we can rule out two 10mm rounds, it was only one, two would've left a crater. :rofl:

Geeorge
11-11-2012, 23:09
I live around 10 miles from the blast and it shook the house like a large clap of thunder that was right outside .
They are saying the house had been shown recently by a realtor and was empty,and the rumor is that it might have been caused by a visitor to the house seeing if the gas was on to the fireplace and not getting it shut off properly after turning it on

Folsom_Prison
11-11-2012, 23:40
Chuck Norris farted...

TK-421
11-11-2012, 23:41
I live around 10 miles from the blast and it shook the house like a large clap of thunder that was right outside .
They are saying the house had been shown recently by a realtor and was empty,and the rumor is that it might have been caused by a visitor to the house seeing if the gas was on to the fireplace and not getting it shut off properly after turning it on

Do they have any proof to that? Any rumors of if they're going to try and track down the potential buyers and get their side of what happened when they were shown the house?

Geeorge
11-11-2012, 23:47
Do they have any proof to that? Any rumors of if they're going to try and track down the potential buyers and get their side of what happened when they were shown the house?

They didn't say,to early in the investigation:wavey:

Hamilton Burger
11-12-2012, 00:04
Didn't something like this just happen 3-4 years ago in San Rafael? WTF?

Woodpecker?

samurairabbi
11-12-2012, 00:08
I think we can rule out two 10mm rounds, it was only one, two would've left a crater. :rofl:

Your point is well taken. Permit me a lame attempt to restore my self-esteem by postulating that it could have been two FBI-lite 10mm loads.

G23Gen4TX
11-12-2012, 00:14
It's Eurodriver's house.

Looks like paying those kids $5 was not enough to protect him from the old bicycle lady.

TK-421
11-12-2012, 00:16
Your point is well taken. Permit me a lame attempt to restore my self-esteem by postulating that it could have been two FBI-lite 10mm loads.

I thought they called that .40 S&W? :tongueout:

TK-421
11-12-2012, 00:17
They didn't say,to early in the investigation:wavey:

Man, where are the conspiracy theorists when you need them?

http://oldhatcreative.com/sites/default/files/blog_images/9189283.jpg

JLB768
11-12-2012, 01:00
It's a shame, feel bad for the family of the two killed, as well as those who lost their homes. We're about 40 minutes from Greenwood.

Slug71
11-12-2012, 01:42
Went out with a bang!

Random
11-12-2012, 01:50
"as many as 31 homes were damaged so badly that they may have to be demolished. The explosion damaged a total of 80 homes, he said. He estimated the damage at $3.6 million."

Does that seem like a really low estimate to anyone?

Mostly 9
11-12-2012, 02:18
"as many as 31 homes were damaged so badly that they may have to be demolished. The explosion damaged a total of 80 homes, he said. He estimated the damage at $3.6 million."

Does that seem like a really low estimate to anyone?

That $3.6 million is at today's value, not what the homeowners paid. It works out to $45k each, which may be a little low for a 3-bedroom cookie-cutter house in the rust belt. But then not all those 80 houses will be total losses.

How long until the HOA fines the owners of the messy lots?

Geeorge
11-12-2012, 02:36
That $3.6 million is at today's value, not what the homeowners paid. It works out to $45k each, which may be a little low for a 3-bedroom cookie-cutter house in the rust belt. But then not all those 80 houses will be total losses.

How long until the HOA fines the owners of the messy lots?

I don't know how they are figuring them,the houses in that neighborhood go for $125k to $180k:wavey:

Gunhaver
11-12-2012, 03:59
Some random thoughts from someone who knows nothing about this kind of thing...

Natural gas is in most homes yet we've never seen a house blown into nothing bigger than a car door and scattered across several acres before. At least I've never seen it. Seems like if something in millions of houses around the country could do this then we'd see it more often. I can't even spot most of a sheet of plywood in that mess.

Another thing is that so much of what's blown away from the burnt foundations isn't burned much at all like it was pushed away by pressure without heat. If it was NG wouldn't that be more or less an expanding fireball that would have sent burning debris everywhere?

Just seems so weird that this could be from something so simple as someone leaving the gas on and it's capable of taking out dozens of homes.

aspartz
11-12-2012, 04:04
Natural gas won't do that, but propane can. Every year or so a house or something even bigger explodes here. Natural gas is lighter than air and leaks out through the roof, but propane settles into a basement or crawlspace and waits. A 20# grill tank can demolish a house.

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clancy
11-12-2012, 05:04
It was the chck with bad teeth who bit her Bravia, in other words, Eurodrver's mom!

Psychman
11-12-2012, 05:14
Officials are backing off of the Natural Gas explanation, and have rule out a bomb and Meth lab scenarios. I am not sure what else is left. I doubt any of those homes in a developed neighborhood were on propane as it is a relatively new subdivision.

Psychman
11-12-2012, 05:16
For those of you cracking jokes in this thread, please turn off your computers and get the heck out of your parent's basements.

mikesull415
11-12-2012, 05:20
My vote was for meth lab. But apparently that's out.

Blast
11-12-2012, 05:26
Probably gas build up.


Huge gas blast caught on tape in Philadelphia - YouTube

Open air gas explosion in China from tanker truck
Tanker explosion in China from multiple angles - YouTube

YamahaBlue
11-12-2012, 05:30
Here's whats going around the 'net

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1627.htm

:tinfoil: ??

Bren
11-12-2012, 05:41
http://news.yahoo.com/deadly-blast-devastates-indianapolis-neighborhood-220044324.html

WTH? Arsenal? Gas line?

Gas line and gas furnace, would be my first guess based on the photo and it being winter. Everything blew out from the middle of the house.

heyTJ
11-12-2012, 05:43
I hope the Llama's made it out ok. :whistling:

RonS
11-12-2012, 05:48
There is no apparent crater. I am betting that they went to sleep, the house filled with gas and being a modern, energy efficient home there was no spark until someone woke up to investigate or something on a timer, thermostat etc set it off. No pilot lights to keep it local to the area of the furnace by setting it off early.

Meth lab has been ruled out. Bomb has been ruled out per Monday AM news.

Bren
11-12-2012, 05:48
Natural gas won't do that,

Natural gas blew up pretty much a whole subdivision here.

http://www.firehouse.com/news/10508161/gas-explosion-destroys-kentucky-subdivision

Here's a whole collection of natural gas levelling houses stories:
http://www.naturalgaswatch.org/?p=1155

airmotive
11-12-2012, 05:54
I'm thinking "Fight Club".

eruby
11-12-2012, 06:04
For those of you cracking jokes in this thread, please turn off your computers and get the heck out of your parent's basements.Many people make jokes out of bad situations as a means to deal with the miseries of life.

Kind of like the 'michael jackson sale - little boys pants off half off'. Callous disregard is often just fear of death.

Or they're just parent's basement dwellers. :supergrin:

JohnBT
11-12-2012, 06:37
"The widespread damage (2 homes destroyed, 80 damaged) suggests something more than a gas leak."

It's suggests shoddy construction to me. :)


Otherwise, that pic looks like every pic I've ever seen of a gas leak explosion. Use google images and see for yourself.
Maybe somebody turned the gas on in 2 houses. Who knows.

Here's a story from last month about a house in Castle Rock CO destroyed by a small gas explosion. A woman and 4 kids lived through it. :)

http://kdvr.com/2012/10/12/photos-castle-rock-woman-4-adopted-kids-escape-explosion-that-leveled-home/

http://localtvkdvr.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/castle-rock-home-explosion-from-air-one1.jpg?w=627

Jeremy_K
11-12-2012, 07:03
A few months ago a vacant house in Niagara Falls NY exploded because some crack heads were cutting the exterior gas pipes thinking they were valuable copper. The house exploded but there wasn't much damage to surrounding properties only because it was an exterior leak. Then we had a propane explosion 2 miles from my house. It shook my house pretty good and I live in a rural area. This was a 2 story newer construction house and it was completely leveled right to the foundation. There was a family of 6 inside and 1 teenage daughter didn't make it. The propane was leaking over night and the first time someone used the hot water in the morning it ignited the mixture. The nearest house was 150 yards away and only sustained a few broken basement windows.

capnjim01
11-12-2012, 07:21
I know nothing about this but if it was a gas leak wouldn't the gas still be burning? When a gas line explodes does it automaticly turn it self off?

certifiedfunds
11-12-2012, 07:31
chuck norris farted...

ftw!!

certifiedfunds
11-12-2012, 07:33
I know nothing about this but if it was a gas leak wouldn't the gas still be burning? When a gas line explodes does it automaticly turn it self off?

I'm wondering if it isn't like using explosives to put out and oil well fire.....explosion depletes the oxygen, or gas lines coming in underground and gets snuffed.

Eurodriver
11-12-2012, 07:38
A few months ago a vacant house in Niagara Falls NY exploded because some crack heads were cutting the exterior gas pipes thinking they were valuable copper. The house exploded but there wasn't much damage to surrounding properties only because it was an exterior leak. Then we had a propane explosion 2 miles from my house. It shook my house pretty good and I live in a rural area. This was a 2 story newer construction house and it was completely leveled right to the foundation. There was a family of 6 inside and 1 teenage daughter didn't make it. The propane was leaking over night and the first time someone used the hot water in the morning it ignited the mixture. The nearest house was 150 yards away and only sustained a few broken basement windows.

Don't they put a foul smell in gas to stop things like this from happening?

My home is all electric so I don't know if it includes the stuff piped in for heating.but I know propane tanks do.

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PhotoFeller
11-12-2012, 08:00
I know nothing about this but if it was a gas leak wouldn't the gas still be burning? When a gas line explodes does it automaticly turn it self off?

I believe utilities now install devices on service lines that shut off gas flow automatically when the line surges open.

RonS
11-12-2012, 08:06
Yes, they put the rotten egg smell in it.

Some facts. Propane is heavier than air, it will pool and flow along the ground like gasoline fumes. For example propane can fill kitchen cabinets and slowly rise to the level of the range pilot lights if the leak is inside a cabinet. Seem the results of that.

Natural gas is lighter than air, it rises and will fill a space from the top down if trapped, or dissipate if it finds a path.

HexHead
11-12-2012, 08:16
Domestic Predator drone attack.

PhotoFeller
11-12-2012, 08:29
If the house was unoccupied, the highly stinky gas odorant (mercaptan) might have gone undetected. If there was a very large concentration that built up over time, it seems there would have been a leak odor detected by neighbors passing by. Natural gas does rise and make it's way out through cracks and other openings in a structure.

The neighborhood appears new enough that gas appliances would have modern controls and safety devices to prevent any gas leak from a clothes dryer, furnace, water heater or cooking stove. If this was a gas incident, human error would have to be the suspected cause. Someone touring a house for sale, turning valves, knobs and flipping switches, may turn out to be at fault.

Tango 1Zero
11-12-2012, 08:40
Misuse of a hair dryer.

airmotive
11-12-2012, 08:56
Misuse of a hair dryer.

Checking wifey's hair care products now...hair dryer seemssafe enough but I'm suspicious of the curling iron. Warning label is in German. Says something like "if you use this wrong, it will blow your **** up"

Glocksanity
11-12-2012, 11:39
Hot Karl gone bad.

Clutch Cargo
11-12-2012, 12:32
honey badger

Honey Boo Boo

Wyoming
11-12-2012, 13:26
Tagged, curious about what cause it.

airmotive
11-12-2012, 13:50
Latest:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/12/indianapolis-explosion/1700053/

Of course...the ex-spouse is always a good source of info in an investigation. :upeyes:

That said...woman and her boyfriend go to casino, daughter at friend's house...and the family cat left at bording facility(?) when the house blew up due to an aparent gas leak.

Anyone else thinking intentional act?
"Oh we're not one to go 'raound repeating gossip, so you better be sure to listen close the first time....":bluesbrothers:

blackjack
11-12-2012, 13:53
While they may have ruled out natural gas in the latest incident in IN, below is a Wiki link that shows the power of confined natural gas to take out a large school building in 1937:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_London_School_explosion

Chuck54
11-12-2012, 13:56
check out the 1963 Coliseum disaster in Indy ..... it was a Holiday on Ice show that ended with a gas explosion that killed many.

MoCop
11-12-2012, 15:09
Gas leak would be my assumption. I responded to a scene like this about 10 years ago. It was determined that a gas leak was the cause. The lead investigator stated the perfume of the gas was filtered through the soil and that is why nobody smelled the odor of the gas leak that was apparantely going on for quite a while.

JLB768
11-12-2012, 15:40
Don't they put a foul smell in gas to stop things like this from happening?


Yes, but on occasion, people leave home for the day, and wouldn't smell the gas because, well, they aren't home...

Batesmotel
11-12-2012, 16:22
"as many as 31 homes were damaged so badly that they may have to be demolished. The explosion damaged a total of 80 homes, he said. He estimated the damage at $3.6 million."

Does that seem like a really low estimate to anyone?

One guess is they are not including the cost of the land or foundations. Just the standing structure. But it still sounds low.

JW1178
11-12-2012, 16:46
A lot of people posting examples of a gas leak explosion, but those are NOTHING compared to that blast. Also, it's odd how it completely leveled the one house next to it, but the one on the other side is pretty much standing. If the house blew up being fully filled with natural gas, wouldn't it have cleared out both houses on either side? Unless something else blew up that was located on one side of the house.

That explosion was huge, completely obliterated the one next to it too? It would take a modern 500lbs bomb to do that.

Batesmotel
11-12-2012, 17:00
It would take a modern 500lbs bomb to do that.

A 500 Lb bomb would have done much more than that. A bomb that large wouldn't have left a trace of the house at the point of detonation. The debris would have been thrown well clear of the area. Military ordinance is devastating.

20South
11-13-2012, 10:56
You Tube Video

PhotoFeller
11-13-2012, 11:23
check out the 1963 Coliseum disaster in Indy ..... it was a Holiday on Ice show that ended with a gas explosion that killed many.


This incident was the result of a leaking propane tank installed under Coliseum seating for concession stand cooking. It was a rather large tank, maybe 1,000 gallons, so the volume that ignited was quite destructive.

PhotoFeller
11-13-2012, 11:40
Gas leak would be my assumption. I responded to a scene like this about 10 years ago. It was determined that a gas leak was the cause. The lead investigator stated the perfume of the gas was filtered through the soil and that is why nobody smelled the odor of the gas leak that was apparantely going on for quite a while.

Loss of leak detection odor through soil filtration would make gas odorant ineffective as a safety measure for any underground leak. Thus, gas companies would have no way of discovering buried line leaks except through use of methane detectors ("sniffers") which identify methane in above-ground air samples.

I think I have read that the odorant injected into gas binds molecularly with the methane so it isn't 'filtered' out as it passes through soil.

I'm not being argumentative, MoCop. My understanding could be wrong and the investigator may have been right.

concretefuzzynuts
11-13-2012, 12:59
it's odd how it completely leveled the one house next to it, but the one on the other side is pretty much standing. If the house blew up being fully filled with natural gas, wouldn't it have cleared out both houses on either side?

Shaped charge. The neighbor probably didn't return a borrowed leaf rake.

walt cowan
11-13-2012, 13:48
how about a military drone, armed and out of control?

RonS
11-13-2012, 15:35
I am not going to specualte on why it happend although I saw the same quotes and thought the same thing instantly. I will speculate that there was a gas leak, that the leak was in a location where the gas could rise and fill a room or rooms, (perhaps the attic) and slowly build up until the proper mix of natural gas and air was pushed down to some ignition source.

Back in the early seventies my grandfather was trying out being a snowbird. He rented mobile homes in Ohio and in Florida. One year he came home and opened up the trailer, turned on the water and gas and it turned out that someone had nailed a tin can lid to the wall under a kitchen cabinet as a mouse block. The brass flex pipe ran through the tin can lid. Tin plated steel lid against brass hose = corrosion. The kitchen cabinets filled up with propane air mix until it reached the pilot light on the oven or stove. I looked at it later and the only thing holding it together were the hurricane tie downs. It was like a firecracker paper, shredded from the inside. No one died but my aunt and grandmother were badly burned. The fire self snuffed so there was no fire, just an explosion. Note, DO NOT were polyester to an explosion. Cotton burns polysester melts.

Many years later in the house we live in now I came home and smelled gas in the down stairs. My wife and both daughters were asleep upstairs. I opened the front and back doors and a window in the basement and investigated. The well known brand of boiler control had not shut off when the pilot light went out. The basement was so strong I could hardly stand it but since it was natural gas it had filtered up and never reached an explosive mixture. Since there are two boilers and a water heater down there I can't believe we were that lucky. I shut off the gas and went to bed. The next day we had the control replaced and I put a carbon monoxide and gas detector in the basement as soon as I could find one. To this day I have a window partially open in the basement too keep it aired out.

filthy infidel
11-14-2012, 05:51
A few years ago I got home late from work, my mother had stayed to watch my kids. I parked in the driveway and smelled gas, was so strong I first thought it was sprayed fertilizer on a neighbor's lawn. I walked in and the house REEKED of gas, I asked my mother didn't she smell it and she never did. I opened all the doors and went back outside just as a PSNC truck pulled up- my neighbor two doors down called them......
We had a faulty flame sensor that told the downstairs gas pack to keep on running- the house temp never went down so it kept feeding gas.
I have no idea how long it was running.....

Atlas
11-14-2012, 07:28
... The next day we had the control replaced and I put a carbon monoxide and gas detector in the basement as soon as I could find one. To this day I have a window partially open in the basement too keep it aired out.

This makes me wonder...
Is it not possible to have the gas valve electrically interlocked to the gas detector so that if the detector senses gas the valve will be inhibited and not allowed to open?

This would serve as a back-up to the existing safeguard.

I think that for an enclosed space such as a basement I would also want the detector to start a (sealed explosion-proof) ventilation fan, as well as activate an audible and visual alarm.

Wyoming
11-14-2012, 08:11
This makes me wonder...
Is it not possible to have the gas valve electrically interlocked to the gas detector so that if the detector senses gas the valve will be inhibited and not allowed to open?

This would serve as a back-up to the existing safeguard.

I think that for an enclosed space such as a basement I would also want the detector to start a (sealed explosion-proof) ventilation fan, as well as activate an audible and visual alarm.

That is a good idea. I am not sure why no one makes such a device.

Atlas
11-14-2012, 08:23
That is a good idea. I am not sure why no one makes such a device.

Gas detectors with an interlock contact are available.
From there it's only a matter of wiring it as I described.
Similar safety interlocking is done all the time in industry.

I'm just wondering suddenly if it's ever done in residential gas installations, and if not then why?

Wyoming
11-14-2012, 20:26
Gas detectors with an interlock contact are available.
From there it's only a matter of wiring it as I described.
Similar safety interlocking is done all the time in industry.

I'm just wondering suddenly if it's ever done in residential gas installations, and if not then why?

It was like a light bulb just went on! Very doable but never heard of residential installations.

Make a reliable unit. Show how it could save lives. It becomes code in all new construction. Make big $$$$.

TK-421
11-14-2012, 21:24
It was like a light bulb just went on! Very doable but never heard of residential installations.

Make a reliable unit. Show how it could save lives. It becomes code in all new construction. Make big $$$$.

That right there is key. You get it put into the code, and patent it so you're the only that has it, and you're golden. :rofl:

Presuming you're able to patent it, and figure out a way to produce it in great enough quantities that is.