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jetflier1989
11-14-2012, 05:33
I have a chance on a deal for 180 rounds of Corbon 230gr +P HP (not DPX) or 200 rounds of Hornady XTP 230gr +P. I can't afford both. I want to use them for hunting hogs, maybe backup SD and HD from a G30sf. Which one should I buy? Anybody familar with any of these rounds? Thanks.

EDIT: Based on the responses below I'm going to buy the XTP's for PD, HD only as they are a good deal and look into a different non HP round for the hogs. I trust the advice on here and I am still not too old to learn. Thanks.

Kentguy
11-14-2012, 07:17
Jetflier1989,

I am not familiar with the Corbon 230g +P HP however I am with the Hornady 230g XTP +P HP round.

I have tested the Hornady rounds out for myself and found them to be very consistent and extremely accurate out of my G21, from 7 yards out to 25 yards.
Hornady "Custom" Ammunition
230g XTP HP +P
Velocity - Box listed @ 950 fps / 887.6 fps my 5 shot average @ 75 degrees
Standard Deviation - 6.58027
OAL - 1.230"

Here is another test conducted with there Hornady rounds;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ct33tKvpKo&feature=plcp&context=C475862eVDvjVQa1PpcFPVSbYlMeVtZ2aU4A0fxHDKzgGcOtlJ-Y8%3D

Good luck.

SCmasterblaster
11-14-2012, 08:09
They have a long-standing reputation for fine high-velocity cartridges. :cool:

9mm +p+
11-14-2012, 12:23
Hog hunting would require lot's of penetration, I'd go with the XTP personally.

SCmasterblaster
11-14-2012, 13:37
Hog hunting would require lot's of penetration, I'd go with the XTP personally.

You got that right, pal. Hog hide is tough. :cool:

Ak.Hiker
11-14-2012, 21:30
I do not think you could go wrong with either load. CB at one time loaded the XTP bullet and after that the Gold Dot as well as Sierra. You may want to look to see what bullet the CB's are loaded with.

CanyonMan
11-14-2012, 22:29
I have a chance on a deal for 180 rounds of Corbon 230gr +P HP (not DPX) or 200 rounds of Hornady XTP 230gr +P. I can't afford both. I want to use them for hunting hogs, maybe backup SD and HD from a G30sf. Which one should I buy? Anybody familar with any of these rounds? Thanks.


I would prefer a whole different set up for hogs, BUT since this is what your asking about, I would go with the XTP. They get really great penetration, and if ya just got to use a G30 and HP's, that would, IMO, be the best of the two loads you ask about.

Also for SD on 2 legged stuff, The 230gr XTP, and the WW 230gr PDX1 are both great rounds.. Both get great penetration !

Good luck.





CanyonMan

WinterWizard
11-15-2012, 01:42
Neither. Why would you hunt hogs with JHPs? I would get some +P FMJs or some +P semi wad cutters, like those from Buffalo Bore or similar. You want penetration, not expansion.

jetflier1989
11-15-2012, 05:10
Thanks guys. I responded on my original post. Check above.

SCmasterblaster
11-15-2012, 12:53
Thanks guys. I responded on my original post. Check above.

For whatever you select for SD, let's hope that you won't have to use it.

Ak.Hiker
11-16-2012, 23:19
If you are looking for a top quality 230 grain FMJFP check out the Buffalo Bore loading. It is a +P. Double Tap just came out with a Nosler FMJFP in 45 Auto as well. I have run the BB load in my Glock 36 and as well as DT 230 grain round nose. I have not tried their FP load yet.

M 7
11-16-2012, 23:54
Between the two, I'd go with the XTP.

It is a very tough bullet and well suited to hog hunting.

jetflier1989
11-17-2012, 06:23
Between the two, I'd go with the XTP.

It is a very tough bullet and well suited to hog hunting.

I ended up with the XTP's yesterday. However I found some extra money and might grab the Corbon's too.

But getting back to the hunting aspect...There seems to be two different schools of thought on it as far as with the use of certain hp's or going stricly with fmj rds. I guess the best way to find out is to call a few of the outfitters down in Florida where I plan to hunt. I'm sure there are guidelines set forth, for the hunters safety and the pig's humane as well?

SCmasterblaster
11-17-2012, 06:49
The CorBon 185gr JHP in .45 ACP is another very hot round.

Ak.Hiker
11-18-2012, 21:30
One thing about the 45 acp 230 grain flat point FMJ +P load is it is very close in power to the old 45 Colt standard loads. One would think they both would have similar penetration on game. It goes over 30 inches in wet newsprint compared to about 18 inches for the 230 XTP +P.

CanyonMan
11-18-2012, 22:31
One thing about the 45 acp 230 grain flat point FMJ +P load is it is very close in power to the old 45 Colt standard loads. One would think they both would have similar penetration on game. It goes over 30 inches in wet newsprint compared to about 18 inches for the 230 XTP +P.



Good thought there amigo... Hey pard how ya doin my good friend / ! ;)

I was trying to stay away from "straying" off the question the OP ask, so I stayed with his two choices, and went XTP.

BUT, everyone here who knows me, knows that I highly reccomend to him to go with a Hard Cast bullet.

I am not highly familiar with all the factory offerings, because I reload my own. But as a former guide, I can say I would not suggest the 45acp for hogs in the first place, and n the second place, If I were to to it, (and I have done my share as well OP), I always load up a hard Cast bullet. A 225gr/255gr, HC bullet goes end to end through white tail, in a M1911 45acp. It does a good deal of damage on hogs, but not as good as it could, and there are better caliber choices) Get the heaviest HC bullet for that 45acp you can feed through it, (if you just 'have' to use it), and I assure you, you are in FAR better shape than a JHP.

I merley answered your question (op) between your two choices, but, amigo the HC bullet is going to be your best bet in a 45acp or any caliber for that matter. !

Buffalo Bore offers a 255gr HC bullet at 960fps in a 5" 1911.
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=214

In your G30 with a heavier recoil spring you will be fine!

Listen, In my little G36 I load 230gr XTP's at 907fps with the stock spring ! :wow: Got over 1500 rounds through it and never one burp of any kind, nor any damage to the gun.. I see no reason at all your G30 (and I have owned several of those) will not eat up that BB HC bullet, and especially with a 22# spring from Wolff ! NO problem !

That is my 'best" suggestion to you, and based on experience. I answered your original question out of courtesy , but feel you would be best served to just forget the JHP's and frankly I would try and at least get a different caliber IMO, like 44mag. ;)

Best of luck to you, and good hunting !







CanyonMan

SCmasterblaster
11-19-2012, 13:58
One thing about the 45 acp 230 grain flat point FMJ +P load is it is very close in power to the old 45 Colt standard loads. One would think they both would have similar penetration on game. It goes over 30 inches in wet newsprint compared to about 18 inches for the 230 XTP +P.

Getting the .45 ACP to perform like the old .45 Long Colt cartridge takes some doing. :cool:

Kentguy
11-19-2012, 17:06
SCMasterBlaster... "Getting the .45 ACP to perform like the old .45 Long Colt cartridge takes some doing."


well not exactly, These two factory loads, with respect to ballistics, are nearly identical;

.45 ACP - 230 gr (15 g) Federal Hydra-Shok Velocity - 900 ft/s (270 m/s) Energy - 414 ft·lbf (561 J)

.45 Colt - 230 gr (15 g) XTP Hornady velocity 969 ft/s (295 m/s) Energy 480 ft·lbf (650 J)

Lots of load information these days out there to close the gap between these two cartridges.

SCmasterblaster
11-19-2012, 17:15
SCMasterBlaster... "Getting the .45 ACP to perform like the old .45 Long Colt cartridge takes some doing."


well not exactly, These two factory loads, with respect to ballistics, are nearly identical;

.45 ACP - 230 gr (15 g) Federal Hydra-Shok Velocity - 900 ft/s (270 m/s) Energy - 414 ft·lbf (561 J)

.45 Colt - 230 gr (15 g) XTP Hornady velocity 969 ft/s (295 m/s) Energy 480 ft·lbf (650 J)

Lots of load information these days out there to close the gap between these two cartridges.

Wow, the velocity on that second (XTP) load is awesome!

SCmasterblaster
11-19-2012, 17:26
SCMasterBlaster... "Getting the .45 ACP to perform like the old .45 Long Colt cartridge takes some doing."


well not exactly, These two factory loads, with respect to ballistics, are nearly identical;

.45 ACP - 230 gr (15 g) Federal Hydra-Shok Velocity - 900 ft/s (270 m/s) Energy - 414 ft·lbf (561 J)

.45 Colt - 230 gr (15 g) XTP Hornady velocity 969 ft/s (295 m/s) Energy 480 ft·lbf (650 J)

Lots of load information these days out there to close the gap between these two cartridges.

Who makes these loads?

jetflier1989
11-20-2012, 05:40
Just to clear the air and get back on topic. The feral pigs (some call them hogs) I plan to hunt are on the smaller side, 80-120 lbs on average. Not those 300+ lb hogs some people might have in mind. If that was the case I just bring my 12ga w/slugs and call it a day.

My plan is to hunt them within fairly close ranges and make a sport of it while also being safe. In other words I don't want pick them off with a scoped rifle at 100 yards. For me there is no fun or challege in that. My choice with the semi-auto is to get muliple, quick shots off. I also plan to have another hunter with me at all times using a larger caliber just to be on the safe side.

I appreciate the responses here.

Andy W
11-20-2012, 13:49
For smaller pigs like you are describing wouldn't the XTP do fine? Just put the first round where it needs to go and be ready for quick follow up shots. Just have a buddy with you armed with some heavier artillery (12 gauge with slugs or a 45-70 lever gun)


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jetflier1989
11-20-2012, 18:47
For smaller pigs like you are describing wouldn't the XTP do fine? Just put the first round where it needs to go and be ready for quick follow up shots. Just have a buddy with you armed with some heavier artillery (12 gauge with slugs or a 45-70 lever gun)


That's what I was thinking?

Funny thing is I just read an article titled "The ultimate hog guns". Believe it or not the G30 made it on the list. One of only three hanguns!

On the other hand it appears CanyonMan knows what he is talking about. Never disregard true experience. However, different info out there on this one for sure.

I checked out two Florida outfitters who were pretty liberal on the issue. They recommend .44 mag in a handgun but .22 mag to .500 calibers are allowed?

Andy W
11-20-2012, 19:17
That's what I was thinking?

Funny thing is I just read an article titled "The ultimate hog guns". Believe it or not the G30 made it on the list. One of only three hanguns!

On the other hand it appears CanyonMan knows what he is talking about. Never disregard true experience. However, different info out there on this one for sure.

I checked out two Florida outfitters who were pretty liberal on the issue. They recommend .44 mag in a handgun but .22 mag to .500 calibers are allowed?

Actually, I bet a .44 mag lever gun would be a good backup. .45-70 might be overkill.


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Prof.45
11-20-2012, 19:44
I've been shooting a lot of .45 Super out of my G21. Underwood Ammo is producing some that approaches 10MM. Thoughts on the Super for hogs? Like jetflier1989 I'm think about hogs under 200lbs.

jetflier1989
11-21-2012, 05:44
The smaller ones taste better : )

SDGlock23
11-21-2012, 08:16
SCMasterBlaster... "Getting the .45 ACP to perform like the old .45 Long Colt cartridge takes some doing."


well not exactly, These two factory loads, with respect to ballistics, are nearly identical;

.45 ACP - 230 gr (15 g) Federal Hydra-Shok Velocity - 900 ft/s (270 m/s) Energy - 414 ft·lbf (561 J)

.45 Colt - 230 gr (15 g) XTP Hornady velocity 969 ft/s (295 m/s) Energy 480 ft·lbf (650 J)

Lots of load information these days out there to close the gap between these two cartridges.

That would be correct if you are comparing cowboy level .45 Colt to the .45 ACP. "Heavy" .45 Colt loads can push 325gr bullets at 1400 fps. Loading the .45 Colt warm is what lead to the invention of the 454 Casull.

SCmasterblaster
11-21-2012, 13:46
That would be correct if you are comparing cowboy level .45 Colt to the .45 ACP. "Heavy" .45 Colt loads can push 325gr bullets at 1400 fps. Loading the .45 Colt warm is what lead to the invention of the 454 Casull.

True. The .454 Casull is an excellent round. :cool:

FishyOne
11-22-2012, 00:58
True. The .454 Casull is an excellent round. :cool:

.45 Long Colt Magnum = .454 Casull :supergrin:

That is serious horsepower! Instead of foot-pounds we gonna need hoof-tons! :wow:

SCmasterblaster
11-25-2012, 20:53
.45 Long Colt Magnum = .454 Casull :supergrin:

That is serious horsepower! Instead of foot-pounds we gonna need hoof-tons! :wow:

hoof-tons! :rofl: The number would seem too low - 1.5 hoof-tons compared to 500 foot-pounds.

RPVG
12-03-2012, 19:02
.45 Long Colt Magnum = .454 Casull :supergrin:

That is serious horsepower! Instead of foot-pounds we gonna need hoof-tons! :wow:
Hoof-tons? :rofl: I like that.