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kaech
11-14-2012, 05:44
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Murphy's Law
11-14-2012, 06:09
My go to vendor for bullets. great prices, quick shipments and excellent quality. That about sums them up.

SDGlock23
11-14-2012, 06:38
Never a problem in 9mm, .40/10mm or .45.

attrapereves
11-14-2012, 10:09
No problems over here either. If I order on Monday morning, they usually ship the next day and I have my bullets in hand by the end of the week.

Kentguy
11-14-2012, 11:02
kaech,

The mobile app I know nothing about, as far as Precision Delta, I order my bullets through them all the time and have for years. Service and quality of bullets are great and you just can't beat their prices.

kaech
11-14-2012, 11:07
Cool im glad to hear the good praises. I ordered 1000 bullets Of 124gr. 9mm monday afternoon. This is my first attempt at reloading. Win. spp, ramshot true blue...hope it works out:)

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scccdoc
11-14-2012, 11:09
posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire (http://www.outdoorhub.com/mobile/) has anyone here used them for bullets, or other reloading supplies? I'm curious to see how it went.

I use them exclusively for FMJ 40's range ammo. No problems

Colorado4Wheel
11-14-2012, 11:49
I would not rate them as highly as Montana Gold or Zero. But they are good range bullets. You may find some are not as consistent in the nose profile. That was a recent report. I have had them come to me really oily as well. I tumbled them to get rid of the oil.

XshooterX
11-14-2012, 11:58
I use their 124 gr. FMJ 9mm. Work fine and shipping is quick. Can't beat the price either, unless you go cast.


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skeeter7
11-14-2012, 12:15
I've used them as well. Last time I order 4K 40S&W FMJ's and have shot most of them with no problems thus far.

ejs54
11-14-2012, 15:19
I use them exclusively for FMJ 40's range ammo. No problems

+1.

I shoot a lot of plated but when I need a FMJ especially in the 10/40, PD is where I go.

njl
11-14-2012, 18:36
I reported an issue here a year or two ago with PD's 124gr FMJ bullets. It annoyed me that their CS basically just blew me off when I reported a QC issue to them (split jackets on their bullets), but I suppose when you have buyers for every last bit of product you can crank out, customer service and QC take a back seat to production and order shipping. That said, I still like and continue to order their bullets. For FMJ, I don't think the price can be beat. You can pay more for MG and maybe get a marginally better bullet, or pay more for Zero if you can find them in stock anywhere...or pay a lot more for the bigger brand FMJ's.

ron59
11-14-2012, 18:46
or pay even less for molys. I haven't shot a jacketed bullet in well over a year.

(waiting for the next guy to post the same thing I did, replacing "molys" with "lead", LOL)

kaech
11-14-2012, 18:48
^^^whats molys?

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njl
11-14-2012, 19:05
^^^whats molys?

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Lead with some kind of coating that's supposed to prevent lead build-up in the barrel. I've tried BBI (9mm) and Precision (.45acp). I haven't shot enough of either to have much opinion on them...but the test batches of 200gr .45acp I loaded were very accurate.

Someone's bound to chime in that plated is the best of both worlds (cheaper than FMJ, cleaner than moly). The only tumbling I've seen with my own reloads has been with plated bullets, and the same load that shoots fine from my G17 tumbles from my G34. I'll pay a little more and stick with jacketed bullets that work in all my guns.

twobyfour
11-14-2012, 19:39
Precision Dela is gtg!

No problems with the 15,000 124 fmjs I've loaded so far

ron59
11-14-2012, 19:46
^^^whats molys?

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Yes, they're lead bullets with molybdenum coating, which is like a hardened plastic or something. Basically makes the lead bullets not be as smokey, presumably safer (no direct lead exposure). Shooting, they are slightly smokier than jacketed, but much less than lead.

I buy Bear Creek 147gr 9mm for $37 per 500 which is $74 per 1000. I shoot 1000-2000 a month, that $30 per 1000 bullets saved is a free 1000 every 3000 I shoot. Hell yeah.

There are quite a few of the competition shooters around here that use them, mostly (like me) for financial reasons, but they shoot just fine.

njl
11-14-2012, 20:24
Yes, they're lead bullets with molybdenum coating, which is like a hardened plastic or something. Basically makes the lead bullets not be as smokey, presumably safer (no direct lead exposure). Shooting, they are slightly smokier than jacketed, but much less than lead.

I buy Bear Creek 147gr 9mm for $37 per 500 which is $74 per 1000. I shoot 1000-2000 a month, that $30 per 1000 bullets saved is a free 1000 every 3000 I shoot. Hell yeah.

There are quite a few of the competition shooters around here that use them, mostly (like me) for financial reasons, but they shoot just fine.

Are you buying direct, or through some distributor?

shotgunred
11-14-2012, 20:30
I have tried to email and call him. No response so far.

ron59
11-14-2012, 20:38
Are you buying direct, or through some distributor?


Direct.
They don't have a web site, you just call the dude. I've bought 20,000 in the last year or so, learned about them from some guys I shoot IDPA with who have been using them for years. He USED to have a web site, now I guess he's just word of mouth?

Phone # 209.874.4322
He has a price list, I think he usually includes it in the shipment. Not sure if he can email you a copy.

Here's a thread about them from earlier this year:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/224759-bear-creek-supply-moly-bullets-info.html

Mostly good comments but one "leave message and he doesn't call back " guy.. I've had him not answer once or twice but I just try back a little later. I've placed at least 4-5 orders totaling 20,000 rounds just since last fall, no problems. I've been very happy. My mail person, not so much. LOL

njl
11-14-2012, 21:13
The guns I feed are several 9mm Glocks and a G30 and G21. I did some searching, and it sounds like his <230gr .45 bullets may not work so well in the G30. I've become a fan of lighter bullets in the .45 Glocks (mostly because when I shoot pins with them, I want velocity, but not recoil). The Precision 200gr and PD 185gr JHP both seem to work in both guns.

CitizenOfDreams
11-14-2012, 22:01
Someone's bound to chime in that plated is the best of both worlds (cheaper than FMJ, cleaner than moly).

I could not find plated 9mm bullets any cheaper than Precision Delta's FMJs. :dunno: Berry's came close, but still a couple cents more.

scccdoc
11-15-2012, 07:03
I could not find plated 9mm bullets any cheaper than Precision Delta's FMJs. :dunno: Berry's came close, but still a couple cents more.

Though crimping has been discussed to death on this board, I prefer FMJ's to prevent "over crimping". DOC

ron59
11-15-2012, 07:24
The guns I feed are several 9mm Glocks and a G30 and G21. I did some searching, and it sounds like his <230gr .45 bullets may not work so well in the G30. I've become a fan of lighter bullets in the .45 Glocks (mostly because when I shoot pins with them, I want velocity, but not recoil). The Precision 200gr and PD 185gr JHP both seem to work in both guns.

The cost I quoted includes shipping. Even if his .45ACP didn't work for you, his 9mm prices are hard to beat.
By your 9mm from him, the .45ACP from PD or something? Just a thought.

njl
11-15-2012, 08:27
Actually, maybe it was Bayou Bullets where the 200gr RN had a step to it and acted like SWC in a G30. I just looked at a site that had some of the Bear Creek, and his 200gr is a RNHB design that looks like ball ammo with a deep hollow base. I wonder how much more powder that requires vs HP and why they do a hollow base rather than nose.

njl
11-15-2012, 08:33
Precision's pricing is similar to Bear Creek, if you buy the Precisions by the case (gotta buy more than 1000...much like MG). I might just try some more of their stuff.

As for plated vs FMJ pricing, in some bullets, the plateds are cheaper. i.e. X-Treme 147gr from TJC are cheaper than any of PD's or MG's 147gr FMJ/CMJ. I've got a little more than 1000 of those X-Tremes left. I don't plan on ordering any more of them.

F106 Fan
11-15-2012, 08:44
Actually, maybe it was Bayou Bullets where the 200gr RN had a step to it and acted like SWC in a G30. I just looked at a site that had some of the Bear Creek, and his 200gr is a RNHB design that looks like ball ammo with a deep hollow base. I wonder how much more powder that requires vs HP and why they do a hollow base rather than nose.

The S&S Casting 230 gr LRN also has a step like their 200 gr LSWC.

Both of these feed fine in my G21SF and all my other .45s. I use a lot of both of these bullets.

As to the hollow base, perhaps it helps with obturation, especially on lighter loads. I haven't used these HB bullets for 9mm or .45 but I have loaded a lot of 148 gr HBWC for .38 Special and they are extremely accurate at low velocity.

Richard

ron59
11-15-2012, 09:16
Precision's pricing is similar to Bear Creek, if you buy the Precisions by the case (gotta buy more than 1000...much like MG). I might just try some more of their stuff.
.

???

For PDs 147gr 9mm, looks like even if you buy 10,000 at once, they're still $101 per 1000 whereas Bear Creek is $75ish for just 1000. That's over $25 per 1000 saved. For every 3000 Bear Creek you shoot, there's a free 1000 bullets. I don't see that as "similar" at all?

http://www.precisiondelta.com/detail.php?sku=B-9-147-FMJ-TC

If you don't shoot 147grainers but something else like 124/115.... you have to get the Bear Creek price to do a proper comparison, don't use my $75 number for them.

Bear Creek gives a 5% discount when you buy 10,000, 10% at 25K.

njl
11-15-2012, 19:43
???

For PDs 147gr 9mm, looks like even if you buy 10,000 at once, they're still $101 per 1000 whereas Bear Creek is $75ish for just 1000. That's over $25 per 1000 saved. For every 3000 Bear Creek you shoot, there's a free 1000 bullets. I don't see that as "similar" at all?

http://www.precisiondelta.com/detail.php?sku=B-9-147-FMJ-TC

If you don't shoot 147grainers but something else like 124/115.... you have to get the Bear Creek price to do a proper comparison, don't use my $75 number for them.

Bear Creek gives a 5% discount when you buy 10,000, 10% at 25K.

PD = Precision Delta
Precision = Precision Bullets
Precision != PD

Precision Bullets is another moly coated lead manufacturer. They may be one one of the first/oldest. I know they were selling their coated lead bullets long before I started reloading...with the marketing claim that you could drill a hole in their bullet, put it on a hot plate, and watch the lead run out and coating remain intact / shrivel in as it empties out.

At case pricing ($227/3000 delivered) Precision 147s are $75.60/1000. I'll probably try a box of 500 before jumping in for 3000.

squirreld
11-15-2012, 20:05
I've ran through 15K in various calibers from PD.
All GTG.

I have noticed 2 split jackets which load up and shot just fine!

kaech
11-15-2012, 21:15
My order shipped wens. So its the waiting game
.. I just checked PD's site and noticed a price increase across the board,since tues.:sly:

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ron59
11-15-2012, 22:02
PD = Precision Delta
Precision = Precision Bullets
Precision != PD

Precision Bullets is another moly coated lead manufacturer. They may be one one of the first/oldest. I know they were selling their coated lead bullets long before I started reloading...with the marketing claim that you could drill a hole in their bullet, put it on a hot plate, and watch the lead run out and coating remain intact / shrivel in as it empties out.

At case pricing ($227/3000 delivered) Precision 147s are $75.60/1000. I'll probably try a box of 500 before jumping in for 3000.

I'm aware of the the Precision moly bullet manufacturer.

Many others on here aren't, and will simply refer to "Precision" when talking about PD.

If I'm talking about Precision, the moly manufacturer, I make sure to mention moly to clarify.

Plus, we had just been discussing PD vs Bear Creek, when you just mentioned Precision, I thought you were still talking about PD.

njl
11-16-2012, 08:24
I'm aware of the the Precision moly bullet manufacturer.

Many others on here aren't, and will simply refer to "Precision" when talking about PD.

If I'm talking about Precision, the moly manufacturer, I make sure to mention moly to clarify.

Plus, we had just been discussing PD vs Bear Creek, when you just mentioned Precision, I thought you were still talking about PD.

Have you used Precision molies? If so, how would you compare them to Bear Creek? The only molies I've used so far are BBI and Precision.

BBI + my fav 9mm powder (Universal) gave me nasty smoke...but then again, it turned out there was something wrong with the coating on my first batch...so maybe I should try Universal again with the replacements they sent. The first ones, I think the coating wasn't properly cured or something. Just handling the bullets would turn my fingers black, and you could see by looking at the insides of the boxes (first batch and replacements) that the first ones turned the inside of the box black, while the second didn't put much if any of their color on the cardboard.

ron59
11-16-2012, 12:01
I haven't used Precision molys, but a buddy of mine uses them... he seems happy. When he's shooting I don't notice excess smoke.

The only others I tried were the BBI, and I thought they were smokier than are the Bear Creeks.

I use TG with the Bear Creeks, and don't find them too smoky. I will eventually try a different powder (like WST/WSF) to see if I can even improve on that, but I still have most of an 8lb jug left. And as I mentioned, I do all my shooting outdoors these days and I don't even notice the smoke unless wind is blowing right in my face.

kaech
11-16-2012, 13:17
WOW my 1000 bullets shipped wens. afternoon and ups just dropped them off....Mississippi 2 Wisconsin In 36hrs!! for $5.00!:D

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cajun_chooter
11-16-2012, 14:35
i ordered 5,000 - 9mm 124gr JHP from them... no problems what so ever... i prolly will order 5,000 more soon

kaech
11-16-2012, 15:00
i ordered 5,000 - 9mm 124gr JHP from them... no problems what so ever... i prolly will order 5,000 more soon

Yeah this was my first experience with PD so now once these 1000 9mm rounds get loaded i'll have a couple more thousand on the way...ive saved about 7/8000 cases so im gonna reload for $140 per 1000 thats gonna save me a ton!

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TX Archer
11-19-2012, 17:00
I just checked PD's site and noticed a price increase across the board,since tues.:sly:

I just received an order I placed on Tuesday. It was delivered by UPS Ground rather than the USPS Priority Mail that I'm used to. I wonder if that's the reason for the price increase? It's still not enough to make me shy away from them. They've treated me well.

Jager1
11-23-2012, 11:08
I've been using Precision Delta bullets for 45 ACP (230 grain) and 9mm (115 grain and 124 grain) and for the money - you can't find a less expensive jacketed bullet.

For moly coated bullets, I use Billy Bullets in 45 ACP (225 grain FP) and like them. I've sampled a few in 9mm (115 grain) and they seemed okay but will have to perform additional testing.

http://www.billybullets.com

sciolist
11-23-2012, 13:53
PD's FMJ bullets are a great product at a competitive price. I like them better than Montana Gold.

Moly is the way to go in terms of cost, though. I get Bear Creeks for $60/K. They group just as well as anything else, and offer the option of a 150gr round-nose. Only downside I see with moly vs jacketed bullets is your hands get dirtier and a little slick from loading mags. Youíll also probably need to use a little more bell with moly, to keep it from scraping and help seat the bullets.

CaptainXL
11-28-2012, 09:44
Cool im glad to hear the good praises. I ordered 1000 bullets Of 124gr. 9mm monday afternoon. This is my first attempt at reloading. Win. spp, ramshot true blue...hope it works out:)

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I see you ordered True Blue, which you asked about in a previous post.

Personally I like True Blue and hope that you do too.

Kentguy
11-28-2012, 10:10
^^^
I've never tried Ramshot True Blue for 9mm. Burn rate wise I have used these;

Accurate Arms No. 5
Hodgdon HS-6
Winchester AutoComp
Winchester WSF

they are all within a wisker of each other and have worked very well for me using the 124g bullet.

Keach... let us know how your tests come out.

kaech
11-28-2012, 11:14
^^^
I've never tried Ramshot True Blue for 9mm. Burn rate wise I have used these;

Accurate Arms No. 5
Hodgdon HS-6
Winchester AutoComp
Winchester WSF

they are all within a wisker of each other and have worked very well for me using the 124g bullet.

Keach... let us know how your tests come out.

Well they were loaded to 5.8gr. TrueBlue 124gr.bullet @ 1.140 OAL. I shot 350 last Saturday everything fed/fired perfectly,@10 yards I was grouping 2/3 inches or so with a newer fde G19. I feel the next batch should have a slightly shorter OAL to hopefully tighten up the groups

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Boxerglocker
12-04-2012, 10:18
Have to say props to Patrica and the gang at PD. I ordered 1K of their 147 FMJs for some subsonic suppressor load development and another thousand of the 124 JHPs to load some simulated PP self defense rounds. Made the order evening of 11/28, mailman delivered yesterday 12/3.

Kentguy
12-04-2012, 11:19
Kaech..."@10 yards I was grouping 2/3 inches or so with a newer fde G19"

Not too shabby there my man!

Any sign of over/under burn from that powder (True Blue)?

With the powders I mentioned earlier that I have tested with the 124g FMJ RN bullet, I use 1.135" OAL. My G17 & G19 seem to like it.

Now these powders I have used are just a bit faster burning (but not much) then TB, but If you decrease your OAL slowly you will see if it makes a difference or not.

Thanks for the update... Good luck & be safe.

njl
12-04-2012, 20:33
Have to say props to Patrica and the gang at PD. I ordered 1K of their 147 FMJs for some subsonic suppressor load development and another thousand of the 124 JHPs to load some simulated PP self defense rounds. Made the order evening of 11/28, mailman delivered yesterday 12/3.

If you pull the bags of bullets out of the boxes, how much corn cob do you see in the bottoms of the bags? I'm a little annoyed by the amount of it in the most recent bullets I got from PD, and by the fact that they don't appear to have been tumbled long enough to remove whatever they tumble them to remove before shipping. I assume its lube left over from the manufacturing process.

Boxerglocker
12-05-2012, 07:03
If you pull the bags of bullets out of the boxes, how much corn cob do you see in the bottoms of the bags? I'm a little annoyed by the amount of it in the most recent bullets I got from PD, and by the fact that they don't appear to have been tumbled long enough to remove whatever they tumble them to remove before shipping. I assume its lube left over from the manufacturing process.

Your post kind of puzzled me so soon as I saw it had to take a look. Answer: NONE
I hadn't ordered PD bullets for a while but have probably 10-12K under my belt and have never had an issue with corncob.:dunno:

njl
12-05-2012, 07:14
I'll see if I can get a decent picture and post it later.

Colorado4Wheel
12-05-2012, 08:44
First the bullets are oily. People like me have tumbled them to remove the oil. Now it appears they tumble them but the get dinged for remaining corncob in the box. We are a tough crowd..

njl
12-05-2012, 08:59
I'm not surprised when there's a tiny bit of cob with the bullets...hint of cob, just enough to make it obvious they were tumbled in cob. IIRC, my MG bullets have always had that when I got down to the bottom of the bag. These though have considerable cob and remaining lube...enough so that the cob is sticking to the bullets, following them to the bullet tray, dropping off on the shell plate, and getting my fingers as black as the bad batch of moly bullets I loaded some of.

Colorado4Wheel
12-05-2012, 09:27
They are cheap. Buy more expensive bullets or tumble them. I don't see a problem.

dkf
12-05-2012, 10:08
Pretty much every box of XTPs I have bought has some corn cob in the pack. I will take some corn cob over oily bullets any day.

Kentguy
12-05-2012, 14:09
dkf..."Pretty much every box of XTPs I have bought has some corn cob in the pack."

I just got done with 4 boxes of Hornady's XTP bullets, not a spec of corn cob in any of them. Last week I loaded up 2 other calibers of XTP bullets... and again no corn cob?

Not sure what to tell ya there. :dunno:

TX Archer
12-05-2012, 14:44
First the bullets are oily. People like me have tumbled them to remove the oil. Now it appears they tumble them but the get dinged for remaining corncob in the box. We are a tough crowd..
Yup, pretty soon people on this site will be saying Glocks suck because they eject the brass too far to the right and PD bullets suck because they're too inexpensive and shoot too straight.

kaech
12-05-2012, 15:29
Kaech..."@10 yards I was grouping 2/3 inches or so with a newer fde G19"

Not too shabby there my man!

Any sign of over/under burn from that powder (True Blue)?

With the powders I mentioned earlier that I have tested with the 124g FMJ RN bullet, I use 1.135" OAL. My G17 & G19 seem to like it.

Now these powders I have used are just a bit faster burning (but not much) then TB, but If you decrease your OAL slowly you will see if it makes a difference or not.

Thanks for the update... Good luck & be safe.

It's very clean and seems to burn thoroughly

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Colorado4Wheel
12-05-2012, 15:48
Yup, pretty soon people on this site will be saying Glocks suck because they eject the brass too far to the right and PD bullets suck because they're too inexpensive and shoot too straight.


Mine ejects it onto my head. I have thought about gluing a bowl to my head to catch the brass.
:rofl:

dkf
12-05-2012, 17:25
dkf..."Pretty much every box of XTPs I have bought has some corn cob in the pack."

I just got done with 4 boxes of Hornady's XTP bullets, not a spec of corn cob in any of them. Last week I loaded up 2 other calibers of XTP bullets... and again no corn cob?

Not sure what to tell ya there. :dunno:

Apparently they are sending all the corn cob to PA and not giving Ohio any.:crying:

cajun_chooter
12-05-2012, 18:23
Mine ejects it onto my head. I have thought about gluing a bowl to my head to catch the brass
:rofl:'

sounds like par for the coarse for ya..

scccdoc
12-06-2012, 06:53
Yup, pretty soon people on this site will be saying Glocks suck because they eject the brass too far to the right and PD bullets suck because they're too inexpensive and shoot too straight.

Exactly!( now I don't have any excuses..............)

SC_Dave
12-14-2012, 20:37
I really want to buy some 9mm 115gr RN FMJ from Precision but.......... No stock!