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flw
11-14-2012, 19:00
In Illinois to buy ammo you must present a curent FOID card (Firearms Owners Identification Card).

I've bought ammo online from three out of state places online. Two of the three had me email a copy of my FOID to them before shipment of ammo. One didn't. I read there shipping policy and even during the order process there was no mention of being from Il and the need to show a valid FOID card.

My concern is this is they type of situation that the media loves to try stop our online right to interstate commerce.

I don't know what is legally required by non-Illinois ammo sellers to Illinois buyers but it seems like a shortcut that will get law abiding citizens rights reduced again....

In short we are not doing ourselves any favors by little shortcuts. BTW- Gun show last weekend in Il and all vendors asked for my FOID. Lets not give them a reason to take away our rights.

SCmasterblaster
11-14-2012, 19:26
That I don't live anywhere near the 21st state.

hotpig
11-14-2012, 23:24
As a on line dealer it is not my responsibility to know your laws. State and local laws are to numerous and change so often that even people in those jurisdictions can not keep up.

Since the company is not in the upside down state reporting him to ISP does no good. He did not break any federal laws so ATF is out. His State does not enforce Illinois law so they are out.

The only option that I see is maybe burning his house down as a warning. Maybe shooting his wife and raping his dog.

Seriously if you feel that strong about it buy from some one else.

TK-421
11-14-2012, 23:34
That I don't live anywhere near the 21st state.

Same here, I'm so glad to be gone, and not have to worry about such asinine laws.

Warp
11-15-2012, 00:01
On a similar note...have you noticed that you can order "repair kits" for standard capacity (>10 rounds) magazines, which consist of every single part needed to build a fully functioning magazine, and have them shipped into 'ban states' like HI, CA, NJ, etc?

TK-421
11-15-2012, 00:03
On a similar note...have you noticed that you can order "repair kits" for standard capacity (>10 rounds) magazines, which consist of every single part needed to build a fully functioning magazine, and have them shipped into 'ban states' like HI, CA, NJ, etc?

Oh absolutely, but you better not send them a completed magazine, because that's illegal. :rofl:

Although I do wonder if it's illegal to possess them in those states. However, it's not exactly something I worry about, because I refuse to live in states with capacity bans. :tongueout:

FishyOne
11-15-2012, 01:46
I'm from IL and a former FOID holder. An IL resident can drive to Iowa or WI and buy all the ammo they want, no questions ask. I know that's a different situation entirely but more food for thought.

rwrjr
11-15-2012, 08:32
My concern is this is they type of situation that the media loves to try stop our online right to interstate commerce.


Seems to me that you're fighting the wrong battle.

ChiefWPD
11-15-2012, 08:36
I tried ordering some ammo from Natchez Shooter Supply, for shipping to my place in AZ. They wouldn't sell the ammo to me because my billing address is in MA. Go figure. :dunno:

Wake_jumper
11-15-2012, 08:53
In Illinois to buy ammo you must present a curent FOID card (Firearms Owners Identification Card).

I've bought ammo online from three out of state places online. Two of the three had me email a copy of my FOID to them before shipment of ammo. One didn't. I read there shipping policy and even during the order process there was no mention of being from Il and the need to show a valid FOID card.

My concern is this is they type of situation that the media loves to try stop our online right to interstate commerce.

I don't know what is legally required by non-Illinois ammo sellers to Illinois buyers but it seems like a shortcut that will get law abiding citizens rights reduced again....

In short we are not doing ourselves any favors by little shortcuts. BTW- Gun show last weekend in Il and all vendors asked for my FOID. Lets not give them a reason to take away our rights.

You should turn yourself in to the Illinois State Police immediately. If you took delivery of the ammo you are in BIG trouble buddy.

Warp
11-15-2012, 11:44
I'm from IL and a former FOID holder. An IL resident can drive to Iowa or WI and buy all the ammo they want, no questions ask. I know that's a different situation entirely but more food for thought.

I actually bought ammo from a Walmart in Indiana, not far from the Illinois border, and the employee working the counter said they would not sell ammo to IL residents unless they showed a FOID, by policy. I guess that is pretty unusual?

SCmasterblaster
11-15-2012, 12:45
Same here, I'm so glad to be gone, and not have to worry about such asinine laws.

I WISH that I could live in TX.

Warp
11-15-2012, 12:51
I WISH that I could live in TX.

Your carry laws are 20 times better than they are in TX

flw
11-15-2012, 13:39
I'm pro gun and I have a FOID card so it is not of issue to me.

My concern is if a anti-gun person w/o a FOID ordered ammo online and the used the media/general public to urge the President to hurry and close the "loop holes" as they want to see them.

Anti-gunners using the lack of consistency in interstate commerce to change laws or policy's is what concerns me.

TK-421
11-15-2012, 13:43
Your carry laws are 20 times better than they are in TX

Eh, I don't know, partly yes, partly no, if I have my facts right. If I have my facts right, Vermont doesn't issue CCW permits, which means other states can't reciprocate, which means he can't carry in any state other than Vermont, unless he got a non-resident permit from another state. But that usually requires owning land in the permit-issuing state. So while Vermont does have lax gun laws, and one of the lowest gun crime rates in the country, I wouldn't want to live there.

However, if I got my facts wrong and Vermont started issuing permits, then I apologize for not being totally up to date.

Warp
11-15-2012, 13:44
Eh, I don't know, partly yes, partly no, if I have my facts right. If I have my facts right, Vermont doesn't issue CCW permits, which means other states can't reciprocate, which means he can't carry in any state other than Vermont, unless he got a non-resident permit from another state. But that usually requires owning land in the permit-issuing state. So while Vermont does have lax gun laws, and one of the lowest gun crime rates in the country, I wouldn't want to live there.

However, if I got my facts wrong and Vermont started issuing permits, then I apologize for not being totally up to date.

Completely false.

The most popular non resident permits are Florida and Utah, but there are many others that people get due to the really low prices...such as Pennsylvania and New Hampshire.

TX carry laws are actually not very good at all. Most states have better carry laws. It's weird that way.

FishyOne
11-15-2012, 15:20
I actually bought ammo from a Walmart in Indiana, not far from the Illinois border, and the employee working the counter said they would not sell ammo to IL residents unless they showed a FOID, by policy. I guess that is pretty unusual?

Don't know if it's unusual or not. Iowa and Wisconsin have no restrictions other than being 18 years old for long gun ammo.

I'm 48 years old (no ID required to prove it!) and don't even need to produce an ID to buy handgun or long gun ammo in Iowa or WI.

SCmasterblaster
11-15-2012, 16:03
Your carry laws are 20 times better than they are in TX

I would think that the CCW laws are agreeable in TX.

:cool::cool:

Warp
11-15-2012, 16:05
I would think that the CCW laws are agreeable in TX.

:cool::cool:

Are you familiar with them?

SCmasterblaster
11-15-2012, 16:16
Are you familiar with them?

No, but I am making an assumption that TX is gun friendly.

Warp
11-15-2012, 16:17
No, but I am making an assumption that TX is gun friendly.

It helps to know something about the subject you are talking about.

Texas carry laws are not terribly great. Many, if not most, states are better.

Go look into it if you are curious...it's a bit off topic to get into details about in this thread.

SCmasterblaster
11-15-2012, 16:32
It helps to know something about the subject you are talking about.

Texas carry laws are not terribly great. Many, if not most, states are better.

Go look into it if you are curious...it's a bit off topic to get into details about in this thread.

Well excuse me! I now alot about a lot of things, but TX gun laws aren't one if them.

Warp
11-15-2012, 16:51
Well excuse me! I now alot about a lot of things, but TX gun laws aren't one if them.

Well, that begs the question...why quote me and respond with this:

I would think that the CCW laws are agreeable in TX.

:cool::cool:

If you don't know you don't know, that's perfectly fine. But when you seemingly attempt to counter what another person says...when you don't know...that's where you get into trouble.

SCmasterblaster
11-15-2012, 16:59
Well, that begs the question...why quote me and respond with this:



If you don't know you don't know, that's perfectly fine. But when you seemingly attempt to counter what another person says...when you don't know...that's where you get into trouble.

The operating words there were "one would think"

Warp
11-15-2012, 17:02
The operating words there were "one would think"

lol

Okay.

The below statement:

I would think that the CCW laws are agreeable in TX.

:cool::cool:

given the context, indicates that what you would think is not exactly correct.

Please feel free to start a thread on how TX carry laws compare to VT carry laws if you do not understand.

SCmasterblaster
11-15-2012, 17:05
lol

Okay.

The below statement:



given the context, indicates that what you would think is not exactly correct.

Please feel free to start a thread on how TX carry laws compare to VT carry laws if you do not understand.

OK, I erred. I said "I would think." But I wasn't attempting to say it was actually factual.

rwrjr
11-15-2012, 17:13
I'm pro gun and I have a FOID card so it is not of issue to me.

My concern is if a anti-gun person w/o a FOID ordered ammo online and the used the media/general public to urge the President to hurry and close the "loop holes" as they want to see them.

Anti-gunners using the lack of consistency in interstate commerce to change laws or policy's is what concerns me.

Seems to me that the FOID card is nothing more than registration. Instead of registering guns they register gun owners. Residents of your state should demand to know how much the FOID program costs the state to run and costs businesses to comply. Then ask them to justify the costs. Your state is facing HUGE financial shortfalls but wastes money on a program that produces no tangible results.

Like I said earlier you're fighting the wrong battle. Instead of making the ammo dealers in the other 49 states comply with the ridiculous FOID program, thereby increasing the cost of doing business to them too, use your efforts to shut down the wasteful and freedom infringing program in the one offending state.

Warp
11-15-2012, 17:47
Seems to me that the FOID card is nothing more than registration. Instead of registering guns they register gun owners. Residents of your state should demand to know how much the FOID program costs the state to run and costs businesses to comply. Then ask them to justify the costs. Your state is facing HUGE financial shortfalls but wastes money on a program that produces no tangible results.

Like I said earlier you're fighting the wrong battle. Instead of making the ammo dealers in the other 49 states comply with the ridiculous FOID program, thereby increasing the cost of doing business to them too, use your efforts to shut down the wasteful and freedom infringing program in the one offending state.

Pretty much, yes. Gun owners have to register themselves with the state.

Actually, it's more than gun owners. Better hope the police don't find you in possession of so much as a single round of .22lr, all by its lonesome, if you haven't registered yourself with the state, whether or own a gun or not. :upeyes:

SCmasterblaster
11-15-2012, 20:04
Pretty much, yes. Gun owners have to register themselves with the state.

Actually, it's more than gun owners. Better hope the police don't find you in possession of so much as a single round of .22lr, all by its lonesome, if you haven't registered yourself with the state, whether or own a gun or not. :upeyes:

I am SO GLAD that I don't live in IL!

FishyOne
11-15-2012, 22:08
Pretty much, yes. Gun owners have to register themselves with the state.

Actually, it's more than gun owners. Better hope the police don't find you in possession of so much as a single round of .22lr, all by its lonesome, if you haven't registered yourself with the state, whether or own a gun or not. :upeyes:

Doesn't even need to be a .22lr. A single round of .22 short, in the possession of an Illinois citizen who is not registered with the state and maintaining a current FOID, is a violation of Illinois State law!

It's nuts really and I'm glad I'm gone too. :wavey:

Warp
11-16-2012, 01:11
nvm...

SCmasterblaster
11-16-2012, 13:16
allows non-IL citizens to pass thru IL with ammo no problem.

hotpig
11-16-2012, 14:00
The FOID is a line that the Chicago area Politicians will not cross. We stand a better chance of CCW than getting rid of the FOID.

We could have CCW tomorrow if the NRA would allow it to pass with Home Rule Cities being allowed to opt out. NRA has killed it twice that I know of because they want all or none. It is unlikely we will have all in our life times.

cheapshot
11-16-2012, 14:22
The FOID is a line that the Chicago area Politicians will not cross. We stand a better chance of CCW than getting rid of the FOID.

We could have CCW tomorrow if the NRA would allow it to pass with Home Rule Cities being allowed to opt out. NRA has killed it twice that I know of because they want all or none. It is unlikely we will have all in our life times.
Being from west central Illinois myself, i'd like to say that you, sir, are absolutely correct. The NRA is in cahoots with Madigan evidently. It's a damn shame that so many people in a state are dictated to by a few in a small region of said state. Something is amiss with the NRA's position of "all or none". There are enough reps in the crook county region that have stated that they won't support a bill that includes crook county. Does this mean they will support a bill that doesn't? Guess we'll never know as long as the NRA is holding downstate Illinois hostage.

hotpig
11-16-2012, 14:28
I'm one of these people that actually calls the Legislators and talks to them on both good and bad votes.

I have had a number of the anti gun legislators tell me that down state can have wild west shootouts if they want. They will vote for it if they can opt out.

cheapshot
11-16-2012, 14:48
I"ve talked to a couple myself. I believe the votes are there to pass it excluding cook. However, the NRA will spew a dozen reasons why they won't approach it that way. I've heard em all. There's something more to all this than is being aired. I have my suspicions, but won't air them here.

SCmasterblaster
11-16-2012, 15:31
Pretty much, yes. Gun owners have to register themselves with the state.

Actually, it's more than gun owners. Better hope the police don't find you in possession of so much as a single round of .22lr, all by its lonesome, if you haven't registered yourself with the state, whether or own a gun or not. :upeyes:

I am glad that the entire nation does not deal with ammunition this way. :upeyes:

pipedreams
11-16-2012, 16:25
I actually bought ammo from a Walmart in Indiana, not far from the Illinois border, and the employee working the counter said they would not sell ammo to IL residents unless they showed a FOID, by policy. I guess that is pretty unusual?

We have a lot of IL. residents that shop in Iowa in our area and some stores will ask if your a Iowa resident when buying ammo. I have no idea how they can tell if your a resident since they don't ask for your ID.

SCmasterblaster
11-16-2012, 20:54
We have a lot of IL. residents that shop in Iowa in our area and some stores will ask if your a Iowa resident when buying ammo. I have no idea how they can tell if your a resident since they don't ask for your ID.

Maybe their accent?

FishyOne
11-17-2012, 00:46
Maybe their accent?

:rofl:

That's funny! I'm from Galesburg, IL originally. Live in Dubuque, IA now. People think I'm from Tennessee because of my southern accent!

I was at Scheels in the Coral Ridge Mall tonight. Bought a box of 38sp P+ and the cashier didn't even ask for an ID. The way it should be!

SCmasterblaster
11-17-2012, 06:52
:rofl:

That's funny! I'm from Galesburg, IL originally. Live in Dubuque, IA now. People think I'm from Tennessee because of my southern accent!

I was at Scheels in the Coral Ridge Mall tonight. Bought a box of 38sp P+ and the cashier didn't even ask for an ID. The way it should be!

I need to travel around some more . . . . .