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ron59
11-14-2012, 18:32
At least.... according to this guy.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19628558&postcount=9

I replied with lots of sarcasm, just wanted you guys to all know you needed a single stage and LOTS of hours to make good ammo.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

(It was not an original post, but actually post #9 in this thread: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19631921#post19631921)

jmorris
11-14-2012, 18:39
Except for benchrest every match I have won was with ammo loaded on a progressive.

Must be one of thoes "it takes forever so it must be better" guys.

They are relatives of the kids that put a fart pipe on moms old 4 cyl and then think its fast.

Boxerglocker
11-14-2012, 21:10
I added my 2 cents with proof.

Anglin_AZ
11-15-2012, 09:21
I have a Hornady L&L, but that doesn't men you have to use it as a progressive 100% of the time.

Some times I use it as a single stage, other times as a 2-3 stage and other times as a full progressive but hardly ever. But I do agree with quality>quantity.

mogollon
11-15-2012, 10:26
He forgot to tell David Tubb that I guess.....

labdwakin
11-15-2012, 10:47
*shrugs and goes back to making 223 ammo that shoots like Boxer's on his Dillon 650*

No matter where you go, there will always be people that know what they know, no matter WHAT the facts are! ;)

ron59
11-15-2012, 11:01
I have a Hornady L&L, but that doesn't men you have to use it as a progressive 100% of the time.

Some times I use it as a single stage, other times as a 2-3 stage and other times as a full progressive but hardly ever. But I do agree with quality>quantity.

And if you're saying quality is not possible with a progressive press when being used as *full* progressive... I'd put you in the same clueless boat he's floating around in.

He's the captain, you can be the first mate.

That's the POINT! If you start off slow and learn the craft, one is fully capable of producing QUALITY ammo on a progressive press. Period. It's possible to have quality AND quantity.

/thread

rdstrain49
11-15-2012, 12:00
600 yards prone w/sling (no rest of any kind) iron sights, 20 rounds (standard slow fire course) 3.5" group. Obviously an ammunition quality problem prevented really good performance. Or maybe not. Dillon 550

fredj338
11-15-2012, 12:07
Well, many people just don't know what they don't know. I am sure he has never made ammo on a progressive.

eb07
11-15-2012, 12:09
I have a Dillon 550 because I like to shoot, not waste time on a bench.

Boxerglocker
11-15-2012, 12:43
He forgot to tell David Tubb that I guess.....

*shrugs and goes back to making 223 ammo that shoots like Boxer's on his Dillon 650*

No matter where you go, there will always be people that know what they know, no matter WHAT the facts are! ;)

:agree:

Hoser
11-15-2012, 13:47
I have not loaded ammo on a single stage press or used hand dies in years.

Guess I am guess lucky when my rifle ammo hits 8-12 inch plates out past 1,000 yards.

Colorado4Wheel
11-15-2012, 14:01
I have not loaded ammo on a single stage press or used hand dies in years.

Guess I am guess lucky when my rifle ammo hits 8-12 inch plates out past 1,000 yards.

Don't you use a little arbour press of some sort for your long range ammo?

rdstrain49
11-15-2012, 14:19
I have not loaded ammo on a single stage press or used hand dies in years.

Guess I am guess lucky when my rifle ammo hits 8-12 inch plates out past 1,000 yards.

Yep, I know what you mean, just can't be done :whistling:

Hoser
11-15-2012, 15:34
Don't you use a little arbour press of some sort for your long range ammo?

Used to. For long range ammo I have been using nothing but my 550s and Prometheus for a couple years now.

My 1050s are for rifle ammo inside 600 yards.

smokin762
11-15-2012, 15:34
I just recently got into reloading. I bought the Dillon 650.

I wish I would have done this, years ago. I would be ammunition rich right now. :supergrin:

Colorado4Wheel
11-15-2012, 16:14
He forgot to tell David Tubb that I guess.....


Hoser is our mini version of David Tube.

Murphy's Law
11-15-2012, 16:20
Some or the majority of the bench guys go to extremes trying to make each load absolutely perfect and identical right down to hand polishing their brass. When I first started reloading I thought I would like to get into bench shooting but soon got tired of going to the range for an hour and only shoot off 5 rounds. I still have that rifle (Remy 700 PSS) with big time scope. But now I just prefer to shoot off 100+ rounds in 30 minutes or so on my Colt AR-15. Moral of the story..... to each their own IMHO.

fredj338
11-15-2012, 23:49
If you can't make accurate ammo on a good progressive, you are doing something wrong. The dies are the same, a good press is rigid enough, the ammo will be as accurate as ammo that comes of a quality ss press. It's been proven far too many times for pistol & rifle.

birda40
11-16-2012, 04:26
Since I bought my 650 my world has changed. Started on the trusty but slow Rock Chucker, then tried Lee 1000. Just not whatI was looking for in a progressive (I still use it for 9mm, takes longer but still produces). Then the shock and awe effect, Dillon 650 pumps out hundreds of rounds with remarkable consistance. Load 40 SW with it and swear the ammo is better more accurate than some store bought. Don't know what I would do with out it. Kinda like your car breaking down and have to take the bus. ( YUK )

Boxerglocker
11-16-2012, 09:29
Did you guys see Indys post in that one #22?

Love it :rofl:

Colorado4Wheel
11-16-2012, 11:31
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/IndyGunFreak/63720094-6.jpg

I think it will become a classic.

ron59
11-16-2012, 11:58
I think it will become a classic.

I'm guessing the guy I was referring to in my OP is a:
Lee, EXPERIENCED USER

The press gives him so little confidence, he doesn't even use it but instead a single stage because it gives better quality.

Colorado4Wheel
11-16-2012, 12:08
I wanted to cut myself after owning the LnL for 5 months.

labdwakin
11-16-2012, 16:22
I wanted to cut myself after owning the LnL for 5 months.


After you'd owned the LnL for 5 months.... I wanted to cut myself too! :rofl::couch:

PsychoKnight
11-19-2012, 20:45
Who else got rid of their LnL?

Colorado4Wheel
11-19-2012, 22:02
After you'd owned the LnL for 5 months.... I wanted to cut myself too! :rofl::couch:

Those were dark days.

SigFTW
11-20-2012, 06:45
Started on a single stage press many years ago, go a t-shirt and don't want to go back. Dillon all the way for me:thumbsup:

Once you go blue you never go back:whistling:

jmorris
11-20-2012, 07:27
Who else got rid of their LnL?


I've had two an early one and an EZ ject sold them both.

Colorado4Wheel
11-20-2012, 09:23
I've had two an early one and an EZ ject sold them both.

Before or after you started cutting yourself?

Glock_Convert
11-20-2012, 09:42
I wanted to cut myself after owning the LnL for 5 months.

What is wrong with an lnl? I got one a few months back and it works. I got it over a Dillon because I reload multiple calibers and the lnl was rated more highly by folks for frequent change overs. So I am curious what you all don't like about the lnl and what you like better about what you use now. Thx.

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Colorado4Wheel
11-20-2012, 09:54
You asked.

Mine would not seat CCI primers deep enough to get 100% ignition. Both my 550 and 650 have no issue doing that.

Besides that HUGE issue.

1) Bushings vary in fit. Too loose, too tight and just right. The tight ones need you to put a wrench on the die to remove the bushing. Sometimes the bushing moves, sometimes the die moves. Total PITA.
2) Priming effort is higher then on the Dillon. Even Hornady told me that.
3) Indexing is not as consistent. Plus it is always indexing. So it spills powder on a full case much easier. On my 650 I control how fast it indexes by how fast I pull the handle at the very end of the upstroke. Other parts of the handle movement can be as fast as I like.
4) Thin hollow flexible ram.
5) Divit in frame from primer punch reducing primer seating
effectiveness.
6) Hornady casefeeder is a joke. It's misaligned at the bowl (personally seen two like that), it has a horrible slider design and it is a PITA to adjust. Even then it won't work right with smaller cases (9mm) especially if fired out of a Glock.

Caliber conversion are no faster on the LnL then the Dillon. My experience is they are slower due to bushings issues and having to reset dies all the time. Cost savings on the LnL is due to the LnL not having PTX standard and having a inferior way of managing that entire PTX process. Dillon caliber conversions have a simple and effective PTX. No adjustments to recheck or fiddle with between conversions.

jmorris
11-20-2012, 10:08
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmorris
I've had two an early one and an EZ ject sold them both.

Before or after you started cutting yourself?

Never cut myself but did want to bang my head into a wall loading for my 1919.
Don't know if it was the dies I used or just the 1/2 index but I had to run the bullet up into the seating die and then drop it into the case once it finished its index. If I just set it into the case mouth like normal, the ram would already be too high when it went to finish the index and the tip of the bullet would hit the bottom of the die then fall off.
Other than that and the powder measure quick detaching itself a few times, they would be fine for shorter cases.

Not to mention the fact that if you have never owned a Dillon you don't know what your are missing.


Got them at cost $325 so no loss and the "free" bullets load just fine on a Dillon.



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Glock_Convert
11-20-2012, 10:20
You asked.

Mine would not seat CCI primers deep enough to get 100% ignition. Both my 550 and 650 have no issue doing that.

Besides that HUGE issue.



Excellent response! Thank you very much. That was the kind of detail I was looking for.

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