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glockdoc21
11-14-2012, 20:15
I'm finishing up a midlength build, and I'm trying to decide if I want a MOE handguard or an apex extended midlength naked tube (very sexy AND lightweight). I'm building a 16" A1 based carbine w/ a DD lightweight midlength barrel and a 3x ACOG in the carry handle, so it's a little bit of a mutt, but she's going to do all things. I'm only going to mount a small handstop and maybe a light, so the MOE'd work fine, but that apex is just cool. It'll have a FSB as well. thoughts?

LA_357SIG
11-14-2012, 20:28
I'm finishing up a midlength build, and I'm trying to decide if I want a MOE handguard or an apex extended midlength naked tube (very sexy AND lightweight). I'm building a 16" A1 based carbine w/ a DD lightweight midlength barrel and a 3x ACOG in the carry handle, so it's a little bit of a mutt, but she's going to do all things. I'm only going to mount a small handstop and maybe a light, so the MOE'd work fine, but that apex is just cool. It'll have a FSB as well. thoughts?

I like the MOE handguard on my son's build. It has a MOE foregrip on it now and feels as heavy as it did with a TROY drop in rail.
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k252/chrisq_01/IMAG0135.jpg

mjkeat
11-14-2012, 21:01
If you want light weight the MOE is not the choice for you.

The APEX is light though I have no experience w/ it. I like the 13" Troy Alpha rails. Actually any tube really.

Here's a great place to do some research.
http://www.tacticalyellowvisor.net/charts/free-float-rails

WayaX
11-14-2012, 22:49
If you want light weight the MOE is not the choice for you.

The APEX is light though I have no experience w/ it. I like the 13" Troy Alpha rails. Actually any tube really.

Here's a great place to do some research.
http://www.tacticalyellowvisor.net/charts/free-float-rails

I'll second that. Especially, if you have no light or VFG to mount, the magpul MOE is dead weight. The Troy Alpha rail is top notch. You'll get the benefit of the free-floating barrel, which will help with accuracy (something I would certainly want with a magnified optic).

mjkeat
11-14-2012, 23:11
what do you mean by, If you don't have a light or VFG to mount? If you're refering to the Alpha or most tubes there are numerous ways to mount things such as lights and VFGs w/o rail segments on the tube. Same w/ the MOE but that thing is a pig.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass too you.

LA_357SIG
11-15-2012, 19:46
what do you mean by, If you don't have a light or VFG to mount? If you're refering to the Alpha or most tubes there are numerous ways to mount things such as lights and VFGs w/o rail segments on the tube. Same w/ the MOE but that thing is a pig.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass too you.

This doesn't add any value to this thread in any way.

SCSU74
11-15-2012, 20:05
If you want light weight the MOE is not the choice for you.

The APEX is light though I have no experience w/ it. I like the 13" Troy Alpha rails. Actually any tube really.

Here's a great place to do some research.
http://www.tacticalyellowvisor.net/charts/free-float-rails

Love my alpha rail. Very comfortable and allows you to add rail sections where you need/want them. Very sturdy. Fwiw I switched to the alpha from an moe. Moe is ok, alpha is awesome.


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WoodenPlank
11-15-2012, 20:08
I'd go with the MOE.

Then again, I already did. There's a MOE midlength handguard sitting on my safe waiting for my PSA 16" midlength upper to arrive. While they're not the lightest solution, they're inexpensive, modular, and have a crapload of stuff available to fit them.

mjkeat
11-15-2012, 21:29
This doesn't add any value to this thread in any way.

LOL, and this does? You're in over your head once again. Run along.

cowboy1964
11-16-2012, 06:41
How many ounces weight difference are we talking between a Magpul mid-length and something like a Troy Alpha? A Magpul mid-length is 8.7 oz. I find it hard to believe metal Troys and DDs and such could be much less.

TucsonGlocker
11-16-2012, 07:25
How many ounces weight difference are we talking between a Magpul mid-length and something like a Troy Alpha? A Magpul mid-length is 8.7 oz. I find it hard to believe metal Troys and DDs and such could be much less.

Here is the specs on the 9, 11, and 13" VTAC Alpha Rails

9” VTAC ALPHA:
•Weight w/clamps: 8.60 oz.
•Exact Length: 9.2”
•Number of rail slots: 23
•Inner diameter: 1.37”
•Outer diameter: 1.75”
•Length of cooling hole: 1.5”
•Number of cooling holes: 25
•Gas tube channel diameter: .5”
•Inner diameter of barrel nut: 1.05”
•Material: 6061 T6 Aluminum
•Coating type: MIL-A-8625 TYPE III CLASS 2 HARD COAT ANODIZED w/Teflon

11” VTAC ALPHA:
•Weight w/clamp: 10.17 oz.
•Exact Length: 11.1”
•Number of rail slots: 28
•Inner diameter: 1.37”
•Outer diameter: 1.75”
•Length of cooling hole: 1.5”
•Number of cooling holes: 32
•Gas tube channel diameter: .5”
•Inner diameter of barrel nut: 1.05”
•Material: 6061 T6 Aluminum
•Coating type: MIL-A-8625 TYPE III CLASS 2 HARD COAT ANODIZED w/Teflon

13” VTAC ALPHA:
•Weight w/clamp: 13.36 oz.
•Exact Length: 13.1”
•Number of rail slots: 33
•Inner diameter: 1.37”
•Outer diameter: 1.75”
•Length of cooling hole: 1.5”
•Number of cooling holes: 39
•Gas tube channel diameter: .5”
•Inner diameter of barrel nut: 1.05”
•Material: 6061 T6 Aluminum
•Coating type: MIL-A-8625 TYPE III CLASS 2 HARD COAT ANODIZED w/Teflon

(Found this on another forum) :embarassed:

TucsonGlocker
11-16-2012, 07:29
aaaaand....

The Daniel Defense AR15 Lite Rail (https://danieldefense.com/rail-systems/ar-15-lite-rail/ar15-lite-railtm-9-0-mid-length.html) weighs in at 11.6 Ounces.

and the Daniel Defense Omega rail (https://danieldefense.com/rail-systems/omega-rail/omega-rail-9-0-mid-length.html) weighs in at 9.9 Ounces.


Both weights are for the midlength rail...

Hope that helps :wavey:

jr05
11-16-2012, 19:27
I have the MOE handguards on my middy and really like them, so that would be my vote.

WoodenPlank
11-16-2012, 20:01
Something to bear in mind - last I checked, Troy posted the weights of JUST the rail, whereas Daniel Defense includes the weight of the barrel nut and all mounting hardware.

mjkeat
11-16-2012, 21:28
How many ounces weight difference are we talking between a Magpul mid-length and something like a Troy Alpha? A Magpul mid-length is 8.7 oz. I find it hard to believe metal Troys and DDs and such could be much less.

It's closer to 11.54oz. You have to take the whole picture into account. The Troy doesn't require the Delta ring or a complete FSP.

I was very supprised that the Magpul equiped rifle was heavier than the AR w/ a Troy 13" rail. The DD RIS II equiped AR feels about the same weight as the Magpul equiped AR as well. Aluminum is light.

TangoFoxtrot
11-17-2012, 05:18
aaaaand....

The Daniel Defense AR15 Lite Rail (https://danieldefense.com/rail-systems/ar-15-lite-rail/ar15-lite-railtm-9-0-mid-length.html) weighs in at 11.6 Ounces.

and the Daniel Defense Omega rail (https://danieldefense.com/rail-systems/omega-rail/omega-rail-9-0-mid-length.html) weighs in at 9.9 Ounces.


Both weights are for the midlength rail...

Hope that helps :wavey:

With the tax and shipping your talking over $300 for the rail..WOW that is insane.

WoodenPlank
11-17-2012, 06:21
With the tax and shipping your talking over $300 for the rail..WOW that is insane.

DD is a classic case of getting what you pay for.

Fwdftw
11-17-2012, 10:54
Centurion Arms is also a VERY lightweight rail.

http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=2482

joe0121
11-17-2012, 11:49
I love my MOE hand guard with angle grip. My build is a mid length as well and a home defense rifle. Very comfortable.

cowboy1964
11-17-2012, 12:00
DD is a classic case of getting what you pay for.

There does come a point of diminishing returns. I don't need a $300 handguard/rail.

SCSU74
11-17-2012, 23:27
Something to bear in mind - last I checked, Troy posted the weights of JUST the rail, whereas Daniel Defense includes the weight of the barrel nut and all mounting hardware.

The alpha uses standard barrel nut, no additional hardware. I like the alpha a lot more than the 12.0 fsp omega I was deciding between. Luckily a buddy had the DD for comparison


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WoodenPlank
11-17-2012, 23:52
The alpha uses standard barrel nut, no additional hardware. I like the alpha a lot more than the 12.0 fsp omega I was deciding between. Luckily a buddy had the DD for comparison


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Understood, but when one company weighs their rail WITH a barrel nut, and the other does not, it's not fair to do a direct weight comparison.

faawrenchbndr
11-18-2012, 05:58
With the tax and shipping your talking over $300 for the rail..WOW that is insane.



Nope,.......quality products, made from quality materials cost money!
Go buy a $49 UTG rail & see how that holds up.

faawrenchbndr
11-18-2012, 06:00
OP


Cost vs useability vs weight........the MOE is the best choice.

mjkeat
11-18-2012, 07:59
One thing we never asked about is shooting preference. OP, where do you place your support hand? If youre placing it further out toward the muzzle the longer the rail/tube the better.

Like FFA said the MOE is a great value.

FireForged
11-18-2012, 08:21
come on... pics already

SCSU74
11-18-2012, 17:22
One thing we never asked about is shooting preference. OP, where do you place your support hand? If youre placing it further out toward the muzzle the longer the rail/tube the better.

Like FFA said the MOE is a great value.

That's the only reason I switched. I liked the moe a lot, but on my carbine length I felt very cramped. The 13" alpha lets me get out much further and it is much more comfortable.


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Shockem841
11-18-2012, 22:53
Id go with the MOE

TexasVine
11-20-2012, 08:06
I like the JP Handrails.

http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.4_hg.php

Made in Austria
11-20-2012, 11:39
I vote for the MOE. If money is not a issue I'd go with something from Daniel Defense.

SCSU74
11-20-2012, 17:17
I like the JP Handrails.

http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.4_hg.php

Yep those are sweet. The alpha is very similar. As far as DD it just comes down to if you like the standard quad rail or the more tubular alpha type rail. I didn't have a need for all the extra rail space on the DD and the alpha is about half the price


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glockdoc21
11-20-2012, 22:23
So I ended up going with OEM round handguards for now...kind of boring, but I'm going to upgrade as I need to, and try to have my skills match the quality of my rifle.

TangoFoxtrot
11-21-2012, 04:39
Nope,.......quality products, made from quality materials cost money!
Go buy a $49 UTG rail & see how that holds up.

As a matter of fact I have one on and it has held up fine during run and gun sessions. I also use a carbine length Magpul and that works good as well.

mjkeat
11-21-2012, 08:33
As a matter of fact I have one on and it has held up fine during run and gun sessions. I also use a carbine length Magpul and that works good as well.

"Fact" "held up" "fine" "run" "gun" "good" are all subjective, as in they vary from person to person.