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vic bastige
11-17-2012, 11:23
I know this is a beaten to death topic, but after returning from the range where I spent time with my new S&W Shield, I am reminded just how badly I wish Glock made a single stack 9mm with a standard 7 round mag. The Shield is really nice, but Glock could do better. I guess I can dream.

MarcDW
11-17-2012, 11:52
This will not happen until Glock sales slow down so they have the time to play around.

Brad55102
11-17-2012, 11:58
we can all dream..

Go get a single stack 45. Glock 36

Bruce M
11-17-2012, 12:02
It would be interesting to see what Glock would come up. But for now I am quite content with a G26 and a Shield.

MikeG36
11-17-2012, 12:14
I know this is a beaten to death topic, but after returning from the range where I spent time with my new S&W Shield, I am reminded just how badly I wish Glock made a single stack 9mm with a standard 7 round mag. The Shield is really nice, but Glock could do better. I guess I can dream.

I can hear the debate now..... "7+1 isn't enough in a firefight!" "Other 9mm mags won't work in it." "It's not that much smaller than my G26 which holds three more rounds - plus it accepts my 33 round spare mags." "Etc, etc, etc."

Personally, I think there's a market for it. The question is; how big a market and would it be worthwhile for Glock to exploit it?

If it comes out, I'll prolly be one of the first to own one. :cool:

G26S239
11-17-2012, 12:34
I know this is a beaten to death topic, but after returning from the range where I spent time with my new S&W Shield, I am reminded just how badly I wish Glock made a single stack 9mm with a standard 7 round mag. The Shield is really nice, but Glock could do better. I guess I can dream.
I just got a Beretta Nano last weekend. I only have 226 rounds through it so far but I am less concerned about Glock ever building a single stack 9. Mine is 6+1 but Beretta already has 8 round mags out. If Glock ever did build a single stack 9 I would probably get one just because I like my 26s so much but it matters less than ever now with so many good alternatives on the market.

vic bastige
11-17-2012, 17:12
I can hear the debate now..... "7+1 isn't enough in a firefight!" "Other 9mm mags won't work in it." "It's not that much smaller than my G26 which holds three more rounds - plus it accepts my 33 round spare mags." "Etc, etc, etc."

Personally, I think there's a market for it. The question is; how big a market and would it be worthwhile for Glock to exploit it?

If it comes out, I'll prolly be one of the first to own one. :cool:

Do you have ANY idea how hard a 9mm Shield is to get right now? I waited in line at a LGS that received over 40 for their anniversary sale. They were all gone before 11:00AM that day. Some people must have no issue with 7+1. I happen to be one of them.

barth
11-17-2012, 17:20
Glock makes a single stack 45.
So with all the other Glock models and calibers.
And the current wild popularity of single stack 9mms.
I really thought a single stack Glock 9 was on the way.

I was wrong...

vic bastige
11-17-2012, 17:25
I would fight someone for one...and I'm not even that tough.

That said, the Shield IS the best thing going in my humble. And I have tried them all like Goldilocks.

G26S239
11-17-2012, 17:29
Glock makes a single stack 45.
So with all the other Glock models and calibers.
And the current wild popularity of single stack 9mms.
I really thought a single stack Glock 9 was on the way.

I was wrong...
People have been wanting/hoping that for years. I really like my Nano, lots of positive reports on the S&W Shield and I believe the 9mm version of the XDs will be a nice one too. This market will likely pass Glock by.

Bruce M
11-17-2012, 18:09
Do you have ANY idea how hard a 9mm Shield is to get right now? ...

I do not think the difficulty getting them is coincidental. My guess is that S&W may have been unaware how popular this one would be. I am guessing that when the first Model 60s and before that the first Chiefs Specials came out they were probably tough to get for a while too.


I have also wondered to what extent the issues over the years with the G36 have caused Glock to be cautious with another single stack pistol.

MikeG36
11-17-2012, 18:32
Glock makes a single stack 45.
So with all the other Glock models and calibers.
And the current wild popularity of single stack 9mms.
I really thought a single stack Glock 9 was on the way.

I was wrong...

They sure do and it's my favorite carry pistol. IMO there should be a market but who knows what their marketing department thinks. I think if they came out with a robust design the CCW market would beat a path to their door.

They could make it right here in the USA and not have to worry about import points or any such BS.

MikeG36
11-17-2012, 18:39
Do you have ANY idea how hard a 9mm Shield is to get right now? I waited in line at a LGS that received over 40 for their anniversary sale. They were all gone before 11:00AM that day. Some people must have no issue with 7+1. I happen to be one of them.

I sure do and I'm with you 100%. :cool:


There are plenty here who disagree for the reasons stated above. If I lived in a war zone I might feel differently but IMO for most SD situations 7 is enough. Besides, I have one or two reloads just in case.

Larry V
11-17-2012, 18:41
They are selling guns faster then they can produce them. I just got my Gen 4 30 , I waited 6 months for it.

MikeG36
11-17-2012, 18:43
It may pass them by if they don't get up and attack this with the same energy that they (Gaston and company) attacked the military pistol market 26 years ago.

JW1178
11-17-2012, 19:02
There is a market for it no doubt. Why they don't do it, I have no idea. Perhaps Gaston has a thing for things that are thick and black?

G26S239
11-17-2012, 19:12
They are selling guns faster then they can produce them. I just got my Gen 4 30 , I waited 6 months for it.

Glock has made such claims their entire import history selling in the US. It has not prevented them from introducing models in 10mm, 357 Sig and 45 GAP. A slim 9mm would very likely have more buyers than any of those 3 calibers.

G26S239
11-17-2012, 19:12
There is a market for it no doubt. Why they don't do it, I have no idea. Perhaps Gaston has a thing for things that are thick and black?

:rofl:

tnd2
11-17-2012, 19:25
Yup, as much as I like my Glocks, I own a Kahr PM40 because it carries easier.

Bruce M
11-17-2012, 19:39
There is a market for it no doubt. Why they don't do it, I have no idea. Perhaps Gaston has a thing for things that are thick and black?
:rofl::rofl:

RetDep310
11-17-2012, 21:21
Got tired of waiting on Glock to come out with a single stack 9, so I went the M&P route...to many other good choices out there to waste my time waiting and hoping!!

Reswob
11-17-2012, 22:04
What do any of these guns (Shield, Nano, Kahr, XDS9, single stack Glock ) do that a PF9 doesn't? Besides weigh more and cost twice as much.

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glockfanbob
11-17-2012, 22:10
I'd love one as well, however even being a fan of the shield I think k my next pistol will be a xd-s.

G26S239
11-17-2012, 22:21
What do any of these guns (Shield, Nano, Kahr, XDS9, single stack Glock ) do that a PF9 doesn't? Besides weigh more and cost twice as much.

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Better build quality IMO. Under $500 after all taxes and fees for my Nano did not even come close to breaking my bank. If it did I would not have my Sigs, HKs, Les Baer or 460XVR. If the PF9 suits your purposes that is fine with me.

vic bastige
11-17-2012, 23:15
What do any of these guns (Shield, Nano, Kahr, XDS9, single stack Glock ) do that a PF9 doesn't? Besides weigh more and cost twice as much.

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Please stop.

denn1911
11-17-2012, 23:41
In my experience, the Shield runs nicely, but I'd consider a single stack 9mm Glock. I'd love for them to come out with one.

Reswob
11-18-2012, 11:43
Please stop.

Stop what, introducing logic into the discussion?

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vic bastige
11-18-2012, 13:42
In my personal experience, Kel-Tec had been a poorly executed construction and function. If they work for you, then enjoy your logical choice.

BigAlE
11-18-2012, 17:22
I was going to buy a shield but didn't want to wait so I got a glock 26 instead. Very happy I went that route. In my opinion glock doesn't need a single stack 9mm

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njl
11-18-2012, 19:17
Common wisdom is that Glock won't make it unless they think there's a military or bunch of police force buyers for it...but then where did the G36 come from? I suspect most cops, being used to carrying something much bigger, have no issue with the G26/27/33/39 as a BUG or off-duty concealed gun, and so we don't get a single stack small frame Glock. Maybe they'll develop one after the carbine. :rofl:

dgbee456
11-18-2012, 19:27
I want that XDS!!!

garflys
11-18-2012, 20:19
From what I here the Shield is a great gun, seem almost all who have them really like it. Well built and seem to like all rounds. I dont care anymore if Glock makes one,
I have my 17 and 26, and mostly carry my Sig 238HD, great gun. Seems to me that Glock would have made a ton of money if they did make a single stake 9.

ojabog
11-18-2012, 20:32
If Glock could produce a single stack 9mm with their usual reliability, fine . If not, stay away. It doesn't appear to have hurt Smith's sales having been somewhat late to the micro 9mm market. If Glock goes in this direction, take your time and do it right.

MrA
11-19-2012, 14:11
If you want a single stack Glock consider the Walther PPS. Very nice carry pistol. Thin, not heavy and a very glock-like trigger. I bought one recently, put several hundred rounds through it and I'm quite happy. Food for thought.

JDennis
11-19-2012, 14:20
I would like to see glock come out with a pocket size single stack. I love my shield and only pocket carry it, but would definitely snatch up a glock one.

brickboy240
11-19-2012, 14:21
No new designs until they get the erratic ejection issue put to bed...ok?

Lets not have Glock turn into SIG - where they offer tons of finishes and models but allowed the overall quality of their earlier P-series guns to fall to the wayside.

-brickboy240

WXYZ
11-19-2012, 14:38
Withdraw

federali
11-19-2012, 15:02
Glocks are made overseas and must meet the point system from GCA 68, I think. For that reason, you may not see any Glocks capable of competing, size-wise, with the smaller handguns out there.

For those wanting a really slim single stack, don't overlook the Kahr P9. I also love the Kahr K9 and how it fits the hand. Lots of people are getting wise that for civilian use, a gun holding a bushel full of ammo is not needed.

Leigh
11-19-2012, 15:11
Glocks are made overseas

Glocks are also made here in the USA.

nraman
11-19-2012, 17:09
I was going to buy a shield but didn't want to wait so I got a glock 26 instead. Very happy I went that route. In my opinion glock doesn't need a single stack 9mm

I tried the PM9 (twice) and the PF9. I thought the Nano might be it but I was turned off by their FTE problems.
I went back to the G26/G27 in a thin kydex pocket holster.
Nobody can tell I am carrying, it is a bit on the heavy side but it is the only small gun I can shoot as if it was a full size gun as far as accuracy and comfort goes. The G26 can handle hot loads +P, NATO and +P+ unlike other small guns. To me it is worth the extra weight.

SAC45
12-01-2012, 13:18
Single stack 9? My dream is the service-size single stack 45. Eight or nine rounds with the thinner grip frame and slide......wonderful, I would think! Then a G19 sized 7 rd for off duty...PERFECT!

sharkbait22
12-01-2012, 13:35
You guys who are big enough to cram a Shield into your pocket should have not problem concealing a 19/23 IWB. Can someone help me understand this?

G26S239
12-01-2012, 14:36
You guys who are big enough to cram a Shield into your pocket should have not problem concealing a 19/23 IWB. Can someone help me understand this?

I don't have a shield but the shield is considerably smaller and lighter than a 19/23. .75" slide length, .4" height, .18" width and 4.8 ounces lighter (19 to 9mm Shield) is a huge overal difference.

tbob38
12-01-2012, 14:44
If you want a single stack Glock consider the Walther PPS. Very nice carry pistol. Thin, not heavy and a very glock-like trigger. I bought one recently, put several hundred rounds through it and I'm quite happy. Food for thought.

That's what I use. With a Crossbreed holster, I often forget it's there.

SCmasterblaster
12-01-2012, 16:09
Well, seeing how Glock is making pistols in the USA now, maybe Glock will make guns domestically that it couldn't import before. Like a SS 9mm, or .380s.

MrGlock21
12-01-2012, 20:52
we can all dream..

Go get a single stack 45. Glock 36

I agree wholeheartedly on both accounts. Dreaming and the G36. While the former is prizless, the latter goes for $550. Both are affordable.

cola490
12-02-2012, 19:48
I know we are on Glock Talk, but can any compare the recoil of a Kel Tec PF 9 to the 9mm Shield?

Pred8tory
12-03-2012, 07:54
The problem with the Shield is that it's a Smith & Wesson. Smith and Wesson changes models and generations of semi-auto pistols like most of you change your socks. Sadly, in a couple years the Shield will be replaced by a newer, better model that surprisingly will require different mags, holsters, accessories. You get the picture.

faawrenchbndr
12-03-2012, 08:00
I know we are on Glock Talk, but can any compare the recoil of a Kel Tec PF 9 to the 9mm Shield?

Nearly identical, however the Shield does have less perceived
recoil & muzzle flip. The Shield's trigger is MUCH better.

MarcDW
12-03-2012, 08:09
The problem with the Shield is that it's a Smith & Wesson. Smith and Wesson changes models and generations of semi-auto pistols like most of you change your socks. Sadly, in a couple years the Shield will be replaced by a newer, better model that surprisingly will require different mags, holsters, accessories. You get the picture.

True with most US made cars and trucks.
Still does not stop anyone buying them!

burttrans
12-03-2012, 09:16
A great singe stack 9 is the Kahr CM9 got mine OTD for $420. It has been 100% reliable love the size and weight it is perfect for pocket carry in a Sticky Holster. I also love my Gen 4 G19 FDE too but too big for me to carry.

firstg19
12-03-2012, 09:35
I'd love to see a single stack 9mm from glock, but they need to fix the BTF/Erratic ejection issues before introducing any new models.

burttrans
12-03-2012, 22:02
I'd love to see a single stack 9mm from glock, but they need to fix the BTF/Erratic ejection issues before introducing any new models.

I agree shot my Gen 4 G19 FDE today and love the gun but got BTF several times with light Russia Loads I thougt I would try. My Kahr CM9 shot them with no problems and usually Kahr are picky!

NMPOPS
12-03-2012, 22:33
I see no need for single stack 9. The 26 is plenty small enough, holds 10 rounds, plus I can use 15 & 17 mags. What more do you need? A 26 is easy for most people to conceal and other single stacks 9s aren't that much smaller. At least not enough for me to give up rounds.

Mattkcc
12-04-2012, 01:18
Why would Glock want to make a single stack 9 when the market is already flooded with them and no interest from military or police? The single stack 45 isn't flying off the shelves in my area.

8th ID
12-04-2012, 07:33
I picked up a Beretta Nano. $379 before taxes. 2 mags, etc. 150 flawless rounds so far and that includes Blazer Aluminum 115 gr FMJ. 8 round mags are 'sometimes' available from Beretta. Holsters are available. Night sights can be bought too and are easily installed by the user. It's built like a tank. Also has OD, FDE replacement frames available and can be switched by the user. More rounds and it will be in the carry rotation. I CAN pocket carry it AND draw from large pocket pants. In an IWB, it seems to disappear. I liked the Shield, but it has a safety...I KNOW you don't have to use it, etc., etc.

HexHead
12-04-2012, 07:48
If I need something smaller than my 26, I just drop a revolver in my pocket. Don't have to fire 200 rounds before I can trust it and know it will go bang no matter how I'm holding it.

David Frost
12-04-2012, 11:47
I've had my Shield in 9mm for several months, now. It is hard to get, even though S&W had a large number completed before the release. This is a great little off-duty or back-up gun. I carry it in both capacities. In the summer, it conceals very well IWB and in baggy shorts pockets. You can't do that easily with a G26.

I agree with what others have said about Gaston missing the boat on the single stack concealable pistols. S*W may have gotten in late, but the demand for their Shied is quite high. I have a number of Officers who can not find the, even on LE deals.

Further, I've been a Glock guy since the early 90's, having carried 1911's, S&W Gen 3 .45's and .357 revolvers from the time I entered LE in 1977. However, based on the ergonomics, I have replaced all caliber of Glocks, except 9mm, with S&W M&P's. Those pistols are in .40 and .45, except the Shield. I'll never get rid of my G19's.

Bruce M
12-04-2012, 13:06
The problem with the Shield is that it's a Smith & Wesson. Smith and Wesson changes models and generations of semi-auto pistols like most of you change your socks. Sadly, in a couple years the Shield will be replaced by a newer, better model that surprisingly will require different mags, holsters, accessories. You get the picture.


Ohh you mean like this magazine?
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764776_-1_758019_757846_757837_ProductDisplayErrorView_N

The one that fits the Model 59 introduced in 1970 and fits the 5906TSW still in production in 2002?

I agree that S&W has introduced different models over the years but they seem to try to keep magazines interchangeable when they can.

zombie hunt club
12-08-2012, 10:15
I cant figure why we cant get the .380 here

nraman
12-08-2012, 10:21
I cant figure why we cant get the .380 here

Most likely they don't feel there is enough of a market for a .380 of the same size and weight as a very popular 9mm that can shoot any 9mm you want with comfort.
Otherwise even if there was an import issue, they'd make it here.

vic bastige
12-08-2012, 12:11
Why would Glock want to make a single stack 9 when the market is already flooded with them and no interest from military or police? The single stack 45 isn't flying off the shelves in my area.

Seriously? Have you tried to find a Shield 9mm? Sellers are asking and getting over MSRP in my area. That is not indicative of a flood. Also, how many double stacks are out there?

As for the safety, I don;t get all the hoo-ha. I actually like it for a CCW. I like the idea that if a tussle occurs that someone grabbing my gun can't just pull the trigger. As a 1911 guy, actuating the safety is automatic. I guess to each their own.

AgentM79
12-09-2012, 22:14
Kahr has had single-stack polymer 9mm guns available for years. Good guns. The Shield doesn't break any new ground. Glock knows it's market - service-caliber weapons that are mag-compatible. The G26 is a better gun than the Shield. Care to do a durability test? Glock has nothing to prove, and the G26 is a bullet hose.

S&W did a polymer-frame single stack 9mm about 10 years back (SW9M, anyone? More like "S&M"!). It went - exactly nowhere.

J-frame and 158gr Winchester or Federal LSWCHP+P. If not that, carry something worthy of a belt holster - like a G26 or G27.

Remember, folks, S&W's selling point is that the M&P is now the "anti-Glock". Count on S&W to offer what Glock doesn't. Know what? I hope S&W succeeds. Why? Because LE needs guns with S&W features (manual safety levers, mag disconnects, and even single-stack service caliber guns). The departure of S&W's metal-framed 3rd Gen/TSW guns left a vacuum. It's filled now.

When S&W (or anyone else) builds something better than a G17, G19, or G26, they will earn my undivided attention. Getting closer, but no cigar, Springfield. I still may own a M&P 45 someday, though. Glock does nothing in "ACP" that makes me happy.

Tiro Fijo
12-09-2012, 22:36
Kahr has had single-stack polymer 9mm guns available for years. Good guns. The Shield doesn't break any new ground. Glock knows it's market - service-caliber weapons that are mag-compatible...

S&W did a polymer-frame single stack 9mm about 10 years back (SW9M, anyone? More like "S&M"!). It went - exactly nowhere...


Winner.

Everyone wanted a Keltec, then an LCR, then an LC9, then the p290, ad nauseum. Just the flavor of the month. Nothing wrong with that as marketing knows many gun buyers are more fickle than women shoe shoppers. Nothing new here.

TacticalTshirtsREP
12-09-2012, 22:41
Single stack 9? My dream is the service-size single stack 45. Eight or nine rounds with the thinner grip frame and slide......wonderful, I would think! Then a G19 sized 7 rd for off duty...PERFECT!

Agreed. It violates their "best" philosophy of more is better, but the American market would jump on a full-sized single-stack 45 Glock like white on rice.

IMO every 1911 owner (imaging how many there are) would buy one just to have a Glock that was sorta-kinda like their baby.

I believe one day they will.

TTR

TacticalTshirtsREP
12-09-2012, 22:42
The problem with the Shield is that it's a Smith & Wesson. Smith and Wesson changes models and generations of semi-auto pistols like most of you change your socks. Sadly, in a couple years the Shield will be replaced by a newer, better model that surprisingly will require different mags, holsters, accessories. You get the picture.

That is a valid point. Look at the FN pistol line. They come out with very new stuff probably every 7-10 years. Now if something sticks, they'll stick with it. It's a chicken and egg argument.

TTR

TacticalTshirtsREP
12-09-2012, 22:46
Why would Glock want to make a single stack 9 when the market is already flooded with them and no interest from military or police? The single stack 45 isn't flying off the shelves in my area.

IMO this is because it isn't a true full-size gun. 90% of users have to lift their grip off the pistol to reload. That really hurts the design with the US crowd.

I had a smilier situation with the Glock 19 with grip-reductions. It causes my hand to drop farther down on the grip and I get bit on reloads.

Since the GEN 4 comes with good texture and has a slightly different hump. I take to it like water. The GEN 4's brought me BACK to the Glock after being away for 15 years.

TTR

Slug71
12-10-2012, 00:14
we can all dream..

Go get a single stack 45. Glock 36

I'd take both the G39 or XDs over the G36.

vic bastige
12-10-2012, 06:32
Argue the minutia all you want, but I carry my Shield over my 26 simply because it is far more comfortable. OI carry it over my Kahr PM because o better capacity and a better trigger and a more comfortable size...to me. My Shield has gone bang every tme regardless of ammo and I needn't torture test it since I don't plan to use it in a tortuous way.

Simply put, I was saying if Glock built it I would prefer it more and it would sell big time.

bac1023
12-10-2012, 07:45
I know this is a beaten to death topic, but after returning from the range where I spent time with my new S&W Shield, I am reminded just how badly I wish Glock made a single stack 9mm with a standard 7 round mag. The Shield is really nice, but Glock could do better. I guess I can dream.

What makes you think Glock could do better? :dunno:

Chainlink
12-10-2012, 08:28
Well the market isn't flooded with single stack 10mm's ....now if Glock made the 36 into a 10mm I would be all over it :)

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vic bastige
12-10-2012, 08:31
What makes you think Glock could do better? :dunno:

Let's see...fit and finish, a grip angle and trigger that is more familiar to me since I have several other Glocks, parts seem to become more readily available for Glock pistols and some prefer no manual safety (although really not a deal breaker or maker for me). Finally, I just like a Glock better.

...oh....and I really like the box the Glock comes in way better than the cardboard one from Smith:cool:

wmitch
12-10-2012, 09:57
From my NBE (no business experience) point of view, it seems like a single stack 9mm would be a wash because, while it would bring in new customers, it would also take customers away from the 26. At best, a single stack 7-round Glock could be unbelievably successful, and make the 26 all but obsolete, or the other way around.

If you are choosing the 26 over the 19, you are already ok with less capacity for a weapon that conceals better. If that's the case, why not just keep going to the single stack? I would like to see what the Shield has done to Smith's sales of their version of the 26,
The M&P subcompact.


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bac1023
12-10-2012, 16:06
Let's see...fit and finish, a grip angle and trigger that is more familiar to me since I have several other Glocks, parts seem to become more readily available for Glock pistols and some prefer no manual safety (although really not a deal breaker or maker for me). Finally, I just like a Glock better.

...oh....and I really like the box the Glock comes in way better than the cardboard one from Smith:cool:

Ok, so its better for you.

I would disagree.