new "Occluder" sight system for glocks? [Archive]

Vultite

11-23-2012, 16:33

Looks nice but just looks to long for the slide, its kinda like the other sights from TAS-sights,

yeah, I stumbled across this somehow on Youtube...looking through gun videos. I kinda like the sight picture...but man it looks funny from the side...

rv4driver

11-23-2012, 16:34

Looks like it cuts the sight radius by at least a third. What could possibly go wrong? Now you've got the sight radius of a J-frame, maybe.

SJ 40

11-23-2012, 16:53

Meh ! SJ 40

Bren

11-23-2012, 16:58

Yet another ineffective remedy for people who know so little about shooting that they assume their sights are the reason they can't hit the target, rather than their hands.

The good news is, this ridiculous gimmick will make your Glock less accurate and it won't fit a decent holster any more.

GThirtyTwo

11-23-2012, 17:04

That looks like a HUGE waste of time and money.

kodiakpb

11-23-2012, 17:06

I have to agree with Bren

PAGunner

11-23-2012, 17:08

Goofy, awkward & terrible sight picture, I'll take stock Glock sights over that abomination!

Vultite

11-23-2012, 17:14

Goofy, awkward & terrible sight picture, I'll take stock Glock sights over that abomination!

Yeah, I guess you can only re-invent the wheel so many times

dhgeyer

11-23-2012, 18:25

P.T. Barnum was right.

Vultite

11-23-2012, 19:24

P.T. Barnum was right.

Lol, are you referring to his quote?

Tiro Fijo

11-23-2012, 22:48

I'm going to go against the grain here as it utilizes a trick that many CAS shooters who wear bifocals do with the rifles: mount their rear buckhorn in reverse to give a shorter focal plane between the two sights. It works...for those who need bifocals. For young eyes, not so much.

Douglas Orlob

11-30-2012, 03:03

Anyone heard of this? any thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwwxqtJclnADouble vision, flash lights,pistol scopes. Red dot? Would you cross your eyes on purpose so that you had to egnore a second image? The single point Occluder dosent shorten the axial length of the Glock.
This places one image in the back of one eye and blocks the other eye from seeing the front sight.
This is a bad thing????

samurairabbi

11-30-2012, 04:09

That demo shows that this sight setup is NOT an occluded eye setup like the old Singlepoint sight, despite its name. It is just the conventional three-dot notch sight with the rear sight shoulders bulked up.

Douglas Orlob

11-30-2012, 10:23

Take a closer look. At "Milpro Occluder sight" on Utube and look at the single point on Utube

Paul53

12-01-2012, 03:45

IMHO: looks like a lot of work for very little gain. 3 dot systems have too many points for easy use.

I'll keep hoping for i dot pros.

Douglas Orlob

12-01-2012, 11:06

Funny, they have proven that they were not Throught DNA. Have a great day.

Inebriated

12-05-2012, 14:48

What this is supposed to do is help both eyes open, right? So you don't see to front sights?

What I don't get is why people don't just practice shooting both eyes open until it's natural. That carries over to ALL optics and sights.

markerbeacon

12-05-2012, 16:55

Purchased one and had it installed on my G36. Going to the range this weekend. -Let ya know how it works.

Douglas Orlob

12-06-2012, 02:44

Hope it goes well. There is nothing like first hand experience.

RyanNREMTP

12-06-2012, 12:44

There is better ways to do that without shortening the sight length. Only one of my holsters would that work in. But that is the one I carry my G27 in.

Douglas, are these sights for self defense or comp shooting?

Douglas Orlob

12-06-2012, 14:24

Check out" Milpro Occluder sight " on Utube I made a custom one for a guy that has fibers on his 30/30 and he loves it. You be the judge of how you would apply my sight. The single point has a full axial length but it only occludes the front sight post. It dosent have fibers eather. The single works just like the standard Glock sight, you just don't see double front sights.
Doug Orlob

BroncoAZ

12-07-2012, 20:28

Looks like what they put on the Caracal C pistol:

http://www.caracal.ae/caracal_c.php

dkf

12-07-2012, 21:04

I guess if you like a nice short sight radius and a bulky set of sights you are in luck. Have to agree with Bren on this.

Douglas Orlob

12-07-2012, 21:08

That is interesting but it's not the Occluder. When you aline the three points with the Occluder it is just like a standard sight. The front sight is unchanged.It drops down just like any three point sight. Well almost just like. The videos show how it works. Thanks for the heads up on the caracal sight. Very interesting!

Douglas Orlob

12-07-2012, 21:58

Carl Suta 10:32am Nov 4
Hi Doug,

I did and I did some shooting with it yesterday and am very excited about it. I have always been a pretty consistent shooter(94-98) but have never gotten a perfect score because I throw a round or 2 into the left arm of the target when I shoot weak hand which is part of the 45 yard TRC. I must be subconsciously opening the wrong eye(left eye). Your sight seems to have fixed that for me Doug. I can not tell you how exciting it is for me to finally shoot perfect scores. I am going to talk to our firearms instructor about putting it on my duty weapon

bentbiker

12-11-2012, 01:06

Doug, if you really want people to understand your sight, you need to post a picture here that shows the occluders for the rear dots. I think all the negative posts are by people who only viewed the videos, where it's almost impossible to see them. I tried to link to the picture on your site, but I'm not able to do so.

Very clever approach. Since it is open on top, it would appear to make it much easier to pick up the dots than with the brand that forces you to look down tubes to see the rear dots.

As an optician, can you tell me whether everybody's dominant eye is equally dominant? My impression is that some people see one image that is significantly "more obvious" than the other, while other people see two images that are almost equal. The former people, thus, can't understand why some people have trouble ignoring the "lesser" image.

Douglas Orlob

12-11-2012, 20:40

What you just said is absolutely true. Eye dominance is just brain dominance. There are thousand reasons why the brain chooses to learn more from one eye than the other. It starts at birth and is prety much done by 7 years old. That is unless an injury occurred. I have spent a career trying to help people understand this.
I'll see if I can post the sight. Someone on glock talk said he was going to test one this weekend. I think he was from Al. He will know if it works well for him or not. Thank you for being objective.

Douglas Orlob

12-14-2012, 16:33

I just got to thinking about the way my sight is set up. You actually do not lose any axial lenth. The the two rear dots are forward however if they dont fit in the rear appiture then the edges are cut off. This is noticeable only to the shooting eye. The rear appiture goes all the way to the back of the weapon.
The way the Occluder works in itself forces you to use the full axis of the barrel. The channels do part and the rear appiture dose the rest.

JayAK

12-15-2012, 00:42

That looks like a HUGE waste of time and money.

The term you are looking for is "boondoggle."
:cool:

Douglas Orlob

12-15-2012, 10:55

Objectivity, that's what I love about particular people. There eyes wide open but they can't see anything. You guys have the privilege of having the actual inventor of the product you are reviewing. And the most objective thing you can say is "boondoggle"! Flaunting credentials dosent impress me either. I worked for some of the dumbest intelligent Drs you could work for.
This forum could be something great. Find someone that has used my sight. You might even find one person that likes shooting it and one that dosent.
That would be too objective for some.
If you are truly interested in this product, even if it's negative, use your thinking process.
Don't dumb down and close your eyes.

JayAK

12-16-2012, 18:01

Yes boondoggle....complete waste of time and money.... I shoot fine with my traditional sights. Does every gun manufacturer make their guns wrong?

Douglas Orlob

12-16-2012, 18:16

JayAK

12-16-2012, 18:50

I forgot that there are people that don't use sight. I'll bet you can close both eyes and still shoot straight. I'm not sure why you guys started this thread. All you had to do was ask JayAk and nobody would be wasting my time.
Have a Mary Christmass .

Somehow you seem to think that you are entitled to an opinion, but none of us are entitled to one. You have your view and others have theirs, I don’t see the problem. If someone wants to purchase a new sight system go for it, but it’s not for me and by the look of things not the other posters in this thread either.

Douglas Orlob

01-08-2013, 00:35

Markerbeacon did you test the sight?

Douglas Orlob

04-07-2013, 22:44

Can't hide who I am. Short axiel length,bulky,ugly and all in all not a good idea. I will assume that no one will object to seeing one in a compatician. It will only put the guy using it at a disadvantage. So if you are involved in qualifying a sight for competitor, you would allow the Occluder sight to be used. Stands to reason, yes?
It will ony assist you by putting the competitor at a disadvantage and you will be the winner.

Douglas Orlob

04-07-2013, 22:46

Let the boondoggle compete. :)

Paul53

04-08-2013, 17:08

Looks like it cuts the sight radius by at least a third. What could possibly go wrong? Now you've got the sight radius of a J-frame, maybe.

My thought exactly. With such a short sight radius, can't help but be less accurate.

saspic

04-12-2013, 04:35

Would these sights help people with cross dominant eyes? I don't have that, but I know it's a major problem for some shooters.

markerbeacon

04-12-2013, 05:42

Yes I did, they work as advertised. I still have them on my G-36.

Douglas Orlob

04-12-2013, 08:41

Yes I did, they work as advertised. I still have them on my G-36.

Its not for everyone.Thank you for replying.

Douglas Orlob

04-12-2013, 08:50

Would these sights help people with cross dominant eyes? I don't have that, but I know it's a major problem for some shooters.

Yes. Just got back from a gun show. If you actually pick one up and look at it speaks for itself. I get an incredible response from everyone.

Douglas Orlob

04-19-2013, 23:56

Yes I did, they work as advertised. I still have them on my G-36.

Markerbeacon your Glock 36 is a short barrel. I have re-designed my sight for your Glock. The sight radious ,or as I would say, axiel length is longer and the rear sight itself is shorter and less bulky. This can only be done with the shorter barrel.contact me and I will send you a new one at NC. Look on Utube and see the one I made for the Bodyguard
Occluder sight inventor.
Thank you for purchasing my sight.

Paul53

04-20-2013, 08:08

Necessity is the mother of invention.

INVENTION is NOT the mother of necessity.

Important difference there. IMHO

Douglas Orlob

04-20-2013, 08:48

Necessity is the mother of invention.

INVENTION is NOT the mother of necessity.

Important difference there. IMHO

Finnaly something intelligent from some who means to offend.

I can't agree with with you more!!!!:) :)

Douglas Orlob

05-02-2013, 13:10

Beeing that all things are relevant. I am getting constant reports that people are shooting tighter groups with my sight."Loving it! Wish I had my target handy, but I did a 3" group at 25yds Sunday, best part is with both eyes open I can see exactly where I hit WHEN it hits! I still gotta make a YouTube comment, forgot "
Seeing is believing.
This sight isn't going away. It is a great sight!!! Looking forward to see it PROVE itself in the hands of upcoming expert shooters.
Objectivity : Keep your eyes Open :)