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ArrowJ
11-24-2012, 11:35
Is there any reason I should not use Rainier 124 grain flat nose LeadSafe bullets for training and practice from a Glock 31 instead of Hornady XTP 124 grain JHP?

My goal is to closely duplicate the Hornady Custom Ammunition 357 Sig 124 Grain XTP JHP load, but the Rainer bullets are obviously a lot cheaper and I am not concerned with penetration and expansion for training. Opinions?

Sheepdog689
11-24-2012, 14:54
No reason. I use Berry's Bullets plated (pretty much the same thing as Rainer) and haven't had any negative issues. They're cheaper for reloading and make holes in the target so they work for me.

Boxerglocker
11-24-2012, 15:06
Rainier recommends a maximum velocity of 1,500 fp as long as your running below that no issues.

njl
11-24-2012, 17:05
OTOH, are they actually any cheaper than PD or MG jacketed bullets...or are you shooting somewhere where they don't allow jacketed, but do allow plated? Plated bullets are more tempermental to load properly, and often no cheaper than jacketed.

MyGunCulture
11-24-2012, 22:22
Be careful if you're going to seat and crimp in one step. Better yet crimp and seat in separate steps. Plated bullets are prone to bulging with a combined seat/crimp operation and this can cause feeding problems. I switched to Precision Delta a while back so as to not worry about this anymore.

ArrowJ
11-24-2012, 23:18
I was bullet shopping on MidwayUSA and did not see PD bullets...never heard of them.


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njl
11-24-2012, 23:26
Midway's not the place to find the best deal on jacketed handgun bullets.

PD is Precision Delta and they sell direct via their own web site. Same thing for Montana Gold. Zero is probably the other of the 3 most popular/economical jacketed bullets, and AFAIK, they're the only one that doesn't sell direct to consumers. There are a couple of web stores that sell Zero bullets.

ImpeachObama
11-24-2012, 23:32
+1 on Precision Delta and Montana Gold.

ArrowJ
11-24-2012, 23:46
Thank you for the heads up! Do you guys have experience using their 124 gr JHP specifically with 357 Sig?


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Kentguy
11-25-2012, 08:10
ArrowJ,

http://www.precisiondelta.com/product.php?cindx=16

I have use Precision Delta bullet (both FMJ/JHP) for 9mm, 38 special, .45 ACP, but not for 357 Sig. Their bullets are great for general target or even competition use.

No different loading these than other FMJ/JHP bullets you are going to buy. Follow your load books, work up your loads... you know the drill.

good luck.

Fear Night
11-25-2012, 08:22
I have used Rainer and they work great.

ArrowJ
11-25-2012, 10:10
The PD bullets are very affordable! I sent an email to ask about 357 Sig. Sometimes it can be a tricky cartridge from what I understand. If I have to I will just get a sample pack and test them. Great tip guys, thanks!


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http://thesitterdowners.com

SARDG
11-25-2012, 10:45
Thank you for the heads up! Do you guys have experience using their 124 gr JHP specifically with 357 Sig?
No experience with .357 loads, but I shoot Montana Gold 124 JHP in my Unlimited 9mil Glock. I use MG 147 CMJ for all the stock Glocks. I like 'em, I load 'em, I shoot 'em... they work. I understand that the profile and load data for MG 124 JHP is basically the same as an XTP, but I have NOT used XTP personally.

MG is a quality bullet and I order 3K at a time. They are a bit more pricey than PD.

ArrowJ
11-25-2012, 10:54
I think I can get XTP for about the same as MG, but the PD are the cheapest JHP I have seen.


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http://thesitterdowners.com

ImpeachObama
11-25-2012, 16:35
I have used Montana Gold 9mm for 357 sig loads. Not any and all can be substituted. Montana does have 357 sig specific bullets thou and I've used those too.

shotgunred
11-25-2012, 18:42
I swear we were asked the same question last week. I am pretty sure they are still fine bullets, The 10's of K of them I shot were plenty accurate.

MyGunCulture
11-25-2012, 22:37
I use the 124 grain PD JHP in .357 sig and they do work, although its close. Not much leeway with the bullet profile with respect to case mouth. Not all "9mm" bullets work but these work fine for me.

COUNTYGUARDIAN
11-26-2012, 09:27
I have had absolutely no problem with the Rainier 124 flat nose in any of my Glock .357 Sig cal guns. Load with the 4 die Lee set and have had zero problems at the range.

MrMunster
11-28-2012, 08:20
AFAIK, they're the only one that doesn't sell direct to consumers.

Rainier will sell direct, you just have to be willing to place a sizeable order. Given my burn rate of ~20k/year, I just order direct every other year. Just give them a call and they will send you the price list.

njl
11-28-2012, 08:36
Rainier will sell direct, you just have to be willing to place a sizeable order. Given my burn rate of ~20k/year, I just order direct every other year. Just give them a call and they will send you the price list.

I was talking about Zero. If you're ordering 20k at a time, Zero might talk to you too...but if you're like me and order bullets by the 1k-4k at a time, I don't think Zero will sell direct.

MrMunster
11-29-2012, 14:27
I was talking about Zero. If you're ordering 20k at a time, Zero might talk to you too...but if you're like me and order bullets by the 1k-4k at a time, I don't think Zero will sell direct.

Roze Distribution, Inc (http://rozedist.com/) is the manufacturer of Zero bullets.

fredj338
11-29-2012, 14:37
Problem w/ plated @ 1350fps in the 357sig, accuracy goes to hell quickly above 1250fps. So if you want accruate full power 357sig, then yo uhave to go jacketed. MG is what I have been using, but the new PD JHP will also work.