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tslex
11-27-2012, 09:35
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/11/student-suspension

A Texas high school student is being suspended for refusing to wear a student ID card implanted with a radio-frequency identification chip.

Northside Independent School District in San Antonio began issuing the RFID-chip-laden student-body cards when the semester began in the fall. The ID badge has a bar code associated with a student’s Social Security number, and the RFID chip monitors pupils’ movements on campus, from when they arrive until when they leave. . . . .



Link to the student's petition for a TRO: https://www.rutherford.org/files_images/general/11-21-2012_TRO-Petition_Hernandez.pdf


UPDATE: A local Texas judge on Wednesday tentatively blocked the suspension, pending further hearings next week. https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/on_the_front_lines/victory_court_grants_rutherford_institute_request_to_stop_texas_school_from

Discuss.

HerrGlock
11-27-2012, 09:40
Microwave, 30 seconds. Wear the thing.

nmk
11-27-2012, 09:41
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1447384&highlight=RFID

badge315
11-27-2012, 09:41
Microwave, 30 seconds. Wear the thing.

Ya beat me to it. :wavey:

faawrenchbndr
11-27-2012, 09:45
What's next,......tattoos, branding? Not my child!

tslex
11-27-2012, 10:14
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1447384&highlight=RFID


Well, I guess I avoid a jambog -- sorta -- since the update is included.

Patchman
11-27-2012, 10:17
Microwave, 30 seconds. Wear the thing.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Sometimes easy solutions are so in front of peoples' faces, they miss it completely.

nmk
11-27-2012, 10:21
Well, I guess I avoid a jambog -- sorta -- since the update is included.

I wasn't pointing out a jambog. I was merely bringing previous discussion to the table and highlighting the fact that those who were protesting the most have no idea what RFID is.

noway
11-27-2012, 11:30
As a person working in the security sector and with compliance checks, all one has todo is to find out if that device is secured or not. And bam their argument of not wearing it, is sustained. With information like that of SSN numbers, I bet the device is not secured.

If I was the kid, I would find a half-ass competent lawyer and sue the SD for infringe of their rights of privacy, and host of other isues ..... just to be an ******* and to make them spend $$$$s justifiying their demands for a RFID.

Now if this a prison, I would see the need or argument for a RFID tracker. But this is school of all places.

kirgi08
11-27-2012, 11:50
Home schooling will take care of this.'08.

cranejc
11-27-2012, 11:53
Microwave, 30 seconds. Wear the thing.

The issue is not so much that it is a tracking device, as much as it is a mandate to wear said device.

Deactivating the device is just "keeping your head down."

devildog2067
11-27-2012, 11:57
The issue is not so much that it is a tracking device, as much as it is a mandate to wear said device.

It's also a "mandate" that the kids have to conform to a certain dress code and show up to school on time. A school rule that applies only in school which says you have to carry an ID doesn't seem all that unreasonable.

kirgi08
11-27-2012, 12:17
Baby steps.'08.

fnfalman
11-27-2012, 12:20
The RFID chip is only for on-campus use. I don't see an issue. It's not like they're going to track the kids' activities outside of school.

cranejc
11-27-2012, 12:30
It's also a "mandate" that the kids have to conform to a certain dress code and show up to school on time. A school rule that applies only in school which says you have to carry an ID doesn't seem all that unreasonable.

Then the question becomes, where should the line be drawn?

AK_Stick
11-27-2012, 12:33
What's next,......tattoos, branding? Not my child!

That's a hell of a knee jerk reaction. Did you actually read the article?

Z71bill
11-27-2012, 12:35
Google is already tracking them.

devildog2067
11-27-2012, 12:57
Then the question becomes, where should the line be drawn?

Yes, yes it does.

Personally, as long as my kids can take the ID off once they leave the school building, my personal line isn't drawn anywhere near here.

Mayhem like Me
11-27-2012, 13:08
Let me tell you a realistic scenario.. Active shooter in a school , It would be great to know where the kids AND staff are to do rescues.

How about an autistic kid that goes missing? Many good uses for the tags..
leave them in the locker put it on when you get to school.

If you can mandate wearing or having a school ID ...and you can.. the addition of the tracking tag woudl most likely be upheld.

HOWEVER you should be able to Opt out and use School district money to send your kid to a private school, figure out how much each students education costs each year and make that available to parents that wish to opt out..I bet Public schools start getting real competitive with private and religious schools.

kirgi08
11-27-2012, 13:09
The RFID chip is only for on-campus use. I don't see an issue. It's not like they're going to track the kids' activities outside of school.

It's a minimal attempt ta get kids usta being monitored directly by a government entity.'08.

Ragnar
11-27-2012, 13:21
I'd wear it to school once. Then leave it in my locker. And lose it every day. Make the system screw itself into knots.

mac66
11-27-2012, 16:23
It's also a "mandate" that the kids have to conform to a certain dress code and show up to school on time. A school rule that applies only in school which says you have to carry an ID doesn't seem all that unreasonable.

The Rutherford's Institutes warning about social conditioning in the schools due to it be an captive environment speaks volumes about the slippery slope of socialism. We are well down the way after 40 plus years of conditioning. The fact that you and others don't see it as unreasonable is proof.

devildog2067
11-27-2012, 16:31
The Rutherford's Institutes warning about social conditioning in the schools due to it be an captive environment speaks volumes about the slippery slope of socialism. We are well down the way after 40 plus years of conditioning. The fact that you and others don't see it as unreasonable is proof.

I work in pretty much the most capitalist industry there is, and I wear an RFID name badge all day when I'm in the office. It's how I get in the building.

I was getting out of the Marine Corps when they started rolling out the CAC, but I think that has an RFID chip in it as well. So every single member of our Armed Forces is walking around with an RFID badge all the time.

Ftttu
11-27-2012, 16:34
It's also a "mandate" that the kids have to conform to a certain dress code and show up to school on time. A school rule that applies only in school which says you have to carry an ID doesn't seem all that unreasonable.

As bad as the story sounds on the face of it, I'm not against it since I entrust the school with my child's safety and security. I believe this will only enhance their ability to do just that.

Batesmotel
11-27-2012, 16:39
All the students get together, get hundreds of mice and some double sided tape and.........

ray9898
11-27-2012, 16:43
Over reaction. It is simply technology used to help the schools attend to the children entrusted in their care. 'Invasion of privacy'? Students should not have privacy on campus and should be monitored by administration.

c01
11-27-2012, 16:53
As bad as the story sounds on the face of it, I'm not against it since I entrust the school with my child's safety and security. I believe this will only enhance their ability to do just that.

You trust the public school system with your childs safety?
:faint:

The Machinist
11-27-2012, 17:04
I'm 100% against the government tracking people for the sake of it, especially minors.

Mayhem like Me
11-27-2012, 17:08
You trust the public school system with your childs safety?
:faint:

If you ever left your child alone in a school so have you

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rednoved
11-27-2012, 17:15
The people complaining about the tracking are probably the same people that will complain if their kids get into trouble or go missing. They will want to know why the school isn't keeping better track of their kids.

mac66
11-27-2012, 17:16
I work in pretty much the most capitalist industry there is, and I wear an RFID name badge all day when I'm in the office. It's how I get in the building.

I was getting out of the Marine Corps when they started rolling out the CAC, but I think that has an RFID chip in it as well. So every single member of our Armed Forces is walking around with an RFID badge all the time.

I think there is a big difference between the military, where you voluntarily give up certain rights and expectations and public schools where you don't.

And...of course you don't have problem wearing one because you are socially conditioned to accept such things.

MAC702
11-27-2012, 17:20
The people complaining about the tracking are probably the same people that will complain if their kids get into trouble or go missing. They will want to know why the school isn't keeping better track of their kids.

Are you one of those people who watches Star Trek, and when the computer tells the commander that Ensign Ricky is in Cargo Bay 3, and he goes there and only finds a comm badge and no Ensign Ricky, you are just as surprised as he is? After all, who would think of that?

I don't buy into its overt sinisterness, but RFID is lazy administration at best, and bad administration if relied on at all. Either way, it's a complete waste of money and resources.

mac66
11-27-2012, 17:24
The people complaining about the tracking are probably the same people that will complain if their kids get into trouble or go missing. They will want to know why the school isn't keeping better track of their kids.

I have first hand knowledge of school ID systems and I can only say that if it is possible for the administration to use it to spy on kids they most certainly will.

devildog2067
11-27-2012, 17:25
And...of course you don't have problem wearing one because you are socially conditioned to accept such things.

If I don't wear my badge, I can't come into the office.

If I don't come into the office, I can't work.

If I don't work, I don't get a paycheck.

It's pretty damn simple.

wavetrain75
11-27-2012, 17:29
First frog to the second frog: "Is the water in here getting warmer?"

Altaris
11-27-2012, 17:31
I work in pretty much the most capitalist industry there is, and I wear an RFID name badge all day when I'm in the office. It's how I get in the building.

I was getting out of the Marine Corps when they started rolling out the CAC, but I think that has an RFID chip in it as well. So every single member of our Armed Forces is walking around with an RFID badge all the time.


I have to wear my name badge to get in any of our buildings as well, and I have to wear it as long as I am in here.

Sure I could choose to say FU, I'm not wearing it, but as you had just posted, they would simply say ok bye, have fun finding a new job.

c01
11-27-2012, 17:32
If you ever left your child alone in a school so have you

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No public school for my kids. And even if I did I would not trust them or their judgement.

kirgi08
11-27-2012, 17:33
Kids should not be tracked.'08.

Mayhem like Me
11-27-2012, 17:44
No public school for my kids. And even if I did I would not trust them or their judgement.

Unless you home school you trust someone ...either that or you would not leave them.


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railfancwb
11-27-2012, 17:54
Incrementalism... Stealth in government... K-12 RFID... Nullify Second Amendment...

http://ericpetersautos.com/2012/11/24/heres-how-it-will-be-done/



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TBO
11-27-2012, 18:01
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686Owner
11-27-2012, 18:25
They have no right to privacy on campus. They should also be strip searched everyday as they arrive. Any texts on their cell phones should be read, phone calls should be tapped, and notes found should be read over the intercom everyday.

zoyter2
11-27-2012, 18:30
It's also a "mandate" that the kids have to conform to a certain dress code and show up to school on time. A school rule that applies only in school which says you have to carry an ID doesn't seem all that unreasonable.

My thoughts exactly. Want to attend a public school? Put up with the rules as well.

RenoF250
11-27-2012, 18:43
My thoughts exactly. Want to attend a public school? Put up with the rules as well.

Want to? It is required. I think that is the issue. Why is this necessary? Do they really have that many students go missing on campus? Somehow they managed without this while I was in school. I can't think of any time it would have helped them.

oldman11
11-27-2012, 18:53
The RFID chip is only for on-campus use. I don't see an issue. It's not like they're going to track the kids' activities outside of school.
Oh really? And how do you know that? Kind of sounds like "we'll send troops into your country, but we won't use them". And if this goes through they will then think up and excuse to put RFID's in adults. Just another step closer to a dictatorship (which isn't that far away).

czsmithGT
11-27-2012, 19:03
There just seems to me to be something stupid about the school's rationale for implementing this-


"Like most state-financed schools, the districtís budget is tied to average daily attendance. If a student is not in his seat during morning roll call, the district doesnít receive daily funding for that pupil because the school has no way of knowing for sure if the student is there.

But with the RFID tracking, students not at their desk but tracked on campus are counted as being in school that day, and the district receives its daily allotment for that student."

samurairabbi
11-27-2012, 19:04
All the students get together, get hundreds of mice and some double sided tape and.........

Even simpler: a group "accidentally" mixes up all the cards.

686Owner
11-27-2012, 19:07
There just seems to me to be something stupid about the school's rationale for implementing this-


"Like most state-financed schools, the districtís budget is tied to average daily attendance. If a student is not in his seat during morning roll call, the district doesnít receive daily funding for that pupil because the school has no way of knowing for sure if the student is there.

But with the RFID tracking, students not at their desk but tracked on campus are counted as being in school that day, and the district receives its daily allotment for that student."

Aren't the RFID chips always on campus since they are not requred to be used off campus?

czsmithGT
11-27-2012, 19:17
If I don't wear my badge, I can't come into the office.

If I don't come into the office, I can't work.

If I don't work, I don't get a paycheck.

It's pretty damn simple.

The school already had ID badges. The reason they stated that they wanted to spend $500,000 to switch to badges with RFIDs was that it would somehow potentially let them get an extra M$1.7 in state funding by being able to prove the students were actually in school. Sounds crazy to me.

kirgi08
11-27-2012, 19:31
Baby steps.'08. :burn:

Chuck TX
11-27-2012, 19:46
The school already had ID badges. The reason they stated that they wanted to spend $500,000 to switch to badges with RFIDs was that it would somehow potentially let them get an extra M$1.7 in state funding by being able to prove the students were actually in school. Sounds crazy to me.

Guess you've got to spend money to make money. :faint:

USMCsilver
11-27-2012, 19:53
...and so the training begins.

pineappleshooter
11-27-2012, 20:07
Just have hundreds of kids throw their badges in one kids backpack for the day - look 133 kids are peeing in stall 3!

tantrix
11-27-2012, 20:38
I don't see why any parents with kids in public school would be outraged over this...public schools have been 'mini-penitentiaries' since zero tolerance went into effect, this is nothing new.

kirgi08
11-27-2012, 21:10
Fail.'08 :upeyes:

larry_minn
11-27-2012, 21:22
In a large school it is reasonable that its hard to keep track of students. (say over 400 kids how would you?)
There are negatives yes. Also some positives. Not saying I wouldn't play some games with faculty.

kirgi08
11-27-2012, 21:40
Nope.'08....................

Ftttu
11-27-2012, 23:01
You trust the public school system with your childs safety?
:faint:

It isn't a blind and all encompassing trust. Millions of other American families do the same. Believe me, I'm up on many of the horror stories of the public school system, and if it was up to me, the government would completely be out of the indocti, I mean education business all together.

If it wasn't for my wife being a teacher and her personally knowing some of my daughter's teachers, I may have been more inclined to have sent her off to a good private school.

BossGodfrey
11-28-2012, 00:42
Over reaction. It is simply technology used to help the schools attend to the children entrusted in their care. 'Invasion of privacy'? Students should not have privacy on campus and should be monitored by administration.

Yes we know, we should all just bend over and do whatever the government tells us to right ! Students should not have to lay down their constitutions rights just because they walk onto a public school campus. It's the same tired bull**** excuse we always hear. Trust us it's for your own good it will keep you safe blah blah blah blah. That is why thousands of Americans are sexually battered every time they want to fly now !

MAC702
11-28-2012, 00:49
In a large school it is reasonable that its hard to keep track of students. (say over 400 kids how would you?)....

My high school was about 3000 students. We were in classrooms of 12-40 depending on the class. A teacher or assistant took attendance using any one of several methods, and within weeks of the beginning of the year it went very quickly in every class.

I know, what a concept, right?

xArcher
11-28-2012, 01:32
I'd wear it to school once. Then leave it in my locker. And lose it every day. Make the system screw itself into knots.

Per the local news, the RFID card is required for entry into the cafeteria and auditorium. No card no entry.

I've been RFIDd for years. Three cards in my wallet at this time.

John Galt
11-28-2012, 03:15
Certainly no school system would ever abuse technology available to it. I trust them completely. :upeyes:

Pennsylvania School Accused of Cyberspying

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-6224726.html

JW1178
11-28-2012, 04:34
1. Where does the school system get the money for this crap? Next time teachers whine of their pay, we need to show them how they are spending money on this crap instead.

2. What horrible problem does it solve? Kids skipping? They can take the ID off and stash it somewhere. So they can tell exactly where little Billy is at all times, considering the little rebel actually wears it?

Conclusion: I think the greater reason is the teach the younger generation of things to come. They get used to it now, then it won't be a big deal putting one under their skin in the future.

lunarspeak
11-28-2012, 04:37
whats funny is that most of the ones posting outrage about thier kids wearing this would be some of the first to freak out if thier kids were missing and would be screaming "why wasnt my kid moniterd"!!!!!!

The Machinist
11-28-2012, 05:38
whats funny is that most of the ones posting outrage about thier kids wearing this would be some of the first to freak out if thier kids were missing and would be screaming "why wasnt my kid moniterd"!!!!!!
Yeah, we need Big Brother to watch the movements of the students. It's for the children! How did America ever get by until Fedzilla started tracking us and groping our privates? We're all lucky to be alive!

johnd
11-28-2012, 05:39
silly stuff and as usual, a hysterical panties in a wad reaction.
If my kid came home with one of those they would work for maybe 60 seconds, the time it would take me to microwave it or put 240VAC across it.

No doubt the people screaming the most here are those who thought their spawn was the next coming of Christ when they were born, when they were in elementary school they thought they would be the next POTUS, in middleschool they were going to be the next Bill Gates and in high school they are looking for whom to blame.

lunarspeak
11-28-2012, 06:40
i just thought maybe if they find little lisa in the bathroom after being sexually assaulted they could use it to find her attackers..i forgot knowing where your kids are IN school equals total colapse of society..:whistling:

tantrix
11-28-2012, 07:23
i just thought maybe if they find little lisa in the bathroom after being sexually assaulted they could use it to find her attackers..i forgot knowing where your kids are IN school equals total colapse of society..:whistling:

If you were seriously that concerned with your kid's safety during school, you'd send them to private school or home-school them. I chose the latter.

Mayhem like Me
11-28-2012, 07:42
Yeah, we need Big Brother to watch the movements of the students. It's for the children! How did America ever get by until Fedzilla started tracking us and groping our privates? We're all lucky to be alive!

Yeah cause we had elementery school kids with smart phones then that allowed pedophiles to text them directly while on the my little pony website.

Get your head out of the sand were not living in the 60's anymore,,we have soooo many parents incapable of raising children its pathetic.

lunarspeak
11-28-2012, 08:18
If you were seriously that concerned with your kid's safety during school, you'd send them to private school or home-school them. I chose the latter.

i never said little lisa was my kid..:wavey:

Cali-Glock
11-28-2012, 09:05
Home schooling will take care of this.'08.

This. I can not conceive of sending a child to public school. Period.

matt_n03
11-28-2012, 09:24
So, 3 pages and only 1 mention of this being tied to the students SS#? No one finds that to be a huge breach of security and privacy? So, basically while everyone is arguing about the merits of RFID tracking, someone could go to this school and steal every single student's SS#?

rednoved
11-28-2012, 09:41
So, 3 pages and only 1 mention of this being tied to the students SS#? No one finds that to be a huge breach of security and privacy? So, basically while everyone is arguing about the merits of RFID tracking, someone could go to this school and steal every single student's SS#?


It would probably be quicker and easier to hack into the school records, or even steal the physical copies from the front office.

cfec2008
11-28-2012, 21:00
Then the question becomes, where should the line be drawn?
This is what I was thinking. This goes back to the old saying { Give an inch, and they'll take a mile.} I think carrying a school id is ok, but not one that can actually track you. That's crazy to me. I wouldn't let my kid wear it. People are going to have to stand up sooner or later and fight against crap like this. To me it is treating the students like prisoners. People who haven't done anything wrong shouldn't have to be punished because there are a few stupid people breaking the rules. They do all this crap in the name of safety. I don't like it.