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EM87
11-29-2012, 18:59
I will refrain from naming names or relationships during this post, but the following story is happening to someone very close to me and I am trying to figure out how to help them.

Some background information:
The friend in question is 27 years old and has been financially stable her whole life. She has a crackhead sister on welfare living in mid-southern Michigan, and has an aunt and uncle living in a much better upper middle class area of the same city. She has a upper middle class aunt living in a different city in Michigan. The rest of her family is dispersed across the country.

The situation:
My friend's job (online journalist, can be done from anywhere) will be discontinued at the end of the year. She has no car and no way to travel anywhere other than walking. She has no place to live right now and is currently visiting her family in Houston. She has $20 in her checking account, and any money she makes from her job from now until the end of the year will be spent on food and bills.

As soon as her income stops, she will have no way to pay her bills. Since she doesn't have a car she won't have a way to get to any job she may get unless she lives within walking distance to it. None of her family that she might be able to stay with lives within walking distance to any commerce areas, and she can't afford a place of her own that would be close to a job without money, which she doesn't have. She can't live with her family forever either, and even if she did, she wouldn't have a way to get to a job. She has been unable to find any other writing jobs online.

Neither of us knows anyone within walking distance of a job who would let her stay with them, and I can't help her myself due to my own personal circumstances that don't need to be discussed here.

What can she do?

whitetiger7653
11-29-2012, 19:01
Public transportation?

arclight610
11-29-2012, 19:02
How does $20 in the bank = financially stable? Is it possible to send her some bus money to at least get to family to figure things out? In the mean time I will pray for your friend.

*ASH*
11-29-2012, 19:03
damn if i know , but thats alot to deal with , and im thinking you might get strange answers here .

join military ?
donate plasma ?

KommieforniaGlocker
11-29-2012, 19:04
I will refrain from naming names or relationships during this post, but the following story is happening to someone very close to me and I am trying to figure out how to help them.

Some background information:
The friend in question is 27 years old and has been financially stable her whole life. She has a crackhead sister on welfare living in mid-southern Michigan, and has an aunt and uncle living in a much better upper middle class area of the same city. She has a upper middle class aunt living in a different city in Michigan. The rest of her family is dispersed across the country.

The situation:
My friend's job (online journalist, can be done from anywhere) will be discontinued at the end of the year. She has no car and no way to travel anywhere other than walking. She has no place to live right now and is currently visiting her family in Houston. She has $20 in her checking account, and any money she makes from her job from now until the end of the year will be spent on food and bills.

As soon as her income stops, she will have no way to pay her bills. Since she doesn't have a car she won't have a way to get to any job she may get unless she lives within walking distance to it. None of her family that she might be able to stay with lives within walking distance to any commerce areas, and she can't afford a place of her own that would be close to a job without money, which she doesn't have. She can't live with her family forever either, and even if she did, she wouldn't have a way to get to a job. She has been unable to find any other writing jobs online.

Neither of us knows anyone within walking distance of a job who would let her stay with them, and I can't help her myself due to my own personal circumstances that don't need to be discussed here.

What can she do?




27? Female? Hot?

She can sucker a guy to support her for a while until she gets back on her feet.

*ASH*
11-29-2012, 19:05
was waiting for fnfnlman to post that .:whistling:

Hef
11-29-2012, 19:06
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concretefuzzynuts
11-29-2012, 19:12
Try to help in any way you can. After that, I think there is nothing wrong with public assistance in this circumstance. Try the local churches first then turn to the government for help while she looks for work.

The situation you describe is not some fat, lazy, generational welfare queen. Just a person in need of help.

Huaco Kid
11-29-2012, 19:18
What can she do?

She can sit around moping and acting pitiful.

-or-

Suck it up and gradually build a life like many of us did when we were 18/19 years old and living under the same circumstances. Why did she waste the last 7, or so, years not doing that?

(ps... sitting around moping and acting pitiful usually doesn't work.)

wrenrj1
11-29-2012, 19:19
First, she needs to be looking for a job anywhere she can find one. Second, apply for unemployment. She needs to find shelter first and foremost, find a roommate, room etc. Be on a bus route.

Why would nobody let her temporarily stay with them? Is there more to the story?

SRS
11-29-2012, 19:20
She should cast her job net far broader than writing jobs if she hasn't already. If she has $20 to her name and is on the verge of homelessness, just about any job, whether fast food, a clerk, etc., would be a step in the right direction. Multiple jobs would be even better. I have a hard time imagining that she can't find any job unless she is focusing on only certain types of job.

With her transportation issue, a city with a decent public transportation system would be the best place to start looking.

Gareth68
11-29-2012, 19:21
If she is in this situation at 27 years old, she better get married and have kids.

She likely will never be able to support herself, so she might as well fall back on the oldest legal profession.

EM87
11-29-2012, 19:21
Public transportation?

That is a good idea, thank you. She has mentioned that before, and although I don't remember what she said about it, the case may be that none of the relatives she could stay with are on a public transit line. I will definitely mention it though.

How does $20 in the bank = financially stable? ...

Her job, which used to be full time, severely cut their hours very recently. She also had a few large unexpected necessary expenses which completely demolished her savings. Between those two things, that's how she ended up with $20 in savings.

Try to help in any way you can. After that, I think there is nothing wrong with public assistance in this circumstance. Try the local churches first then turn to the government for help while she looks for work.

The situation you describe is not some fat, lazy, generational welfare queen. Just a person in need of help.

Nope, that's not her, but it fits her sister to a T.

JDennis
11-29-2012, 19:22
In all seriousness if she can't live with you some public transportation vouchers may help. I had a 55y/o coworker/friend that let me stay with him years ago when I had ex issues and had nowhere to go. Come to find out after he had a pain killer addiction from a motorcycle accident and ended up killing himself. I still to this day help his widow out with various household and vehicle tasks. It is amazing how much a little help in need means.

clancy
11-29-2012, 19:24
I think her first move might be to consider something other than online journalism for employment. Has she children? They guarantee quick access to social service benefits. If she has no children she can at least apply for unemployment benefits. Granted it is just enough to slowly starve on, but it is better than nothing.

There are lots of government funded traing programs for people in her situation. She needs to start looking into them. Has she friends she can fall back on? I know guys who slept on friends couches for months until they were able to find a job and get enough money saved for an apartment.

EM87
11-29-2012, 19:25
She can sit around moping and acting pitiful.

-or-

Suck it up and gradually build a life like many of us did when we were 18/19 years old and living under the same circumstances. Why did she waste the last 7, or so, years not doing that?

(ps... sitting around moping and acting pitiful usually doesn't work.)

She hasn't wasted time. She has been making a living as a writer for the better part of a decade now. As I'm sure you've heard, writers don't make much money. But it makes her happy and she is working towards a bigger goal (to be a published novelist.)

First, she needs to be looking for a job anywhere she can find one. Second, apply for unemployment. She needs to find shelter first and foremost, find a roommate, room etc. Be on a bus route.

Why would nobody let her temporarily stay with them? Is there more to the story?

She can stay with her sister if she wants, but her sister is a crackhead on welfare who leeches from society and is terrible to be around (no exaggeration.) She CAN stay with her other relatives, but would have no way to get to a job because from what I remember her telling me, neither of them live near public transit.

Gregg702
11-29-2012, 19:27
Can she get Unemployment? That is only a temporary solution, but it should help a lot. If she has had a job, she has been paying into it, so it isn't even a government handout.

Jgriggs
11-29-2012, 19:27
http://www.indeed.com/q-Writer-l-Houston,-TX-jobs.html

http://jobsearch.local-jobs.monster.com/jobs/?wt.mc_n=hjnpsearch&wt.mc_n=hjnpsearch&ch=houstonchronicle&q=writer&where=Houston,%20TX&re=130&cy=us&brd=1&rad=100

Thats just a couple. There are jobs available for a person willing to work, jobs in her field no less. She might need go into another field. To find herself across the country from home with 20.00 to her name and no way of getting around is not a recipe for disaster, it is the disaster. She needs take control of her situation and get that job, I personally would flip burgers before going homeless, but that's just me.
If it were my friend, I would tell her where to pick up her bus ticket.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/DriverLicense/ApplyforLicense.htm

http://houston.craigslist.org/ctd/3395794561.html

Just sayin'

EM87
11-29-2012, 19:28
I think her first move might be to consider something other than online journalism for employment. Has she children? They guarantee quick access to social service benefits. If she has no children she can at least apply for unemployment benefits. Granted it is just enough to slowly starve on, but it is better than nothing.

There are lots of government funded traing programs for people in her situation. She needs to start looking into them. Has she friends she can fall back on? I know guys who slept on friends couches for months until they were able to find a job and get enough money saved for an apartment.

No kids. She may end up staying on couches for a while.

Riflemanz
11-29-2012, 19:30
Have her apply for public assistance, she can get rent assistance,heat,free food,taxi rides to the Dr. office,free medical,free dental.

ysr_racer
11-29-2012, 19:30
She hasn't wasted time...



Trust me, with only $20 in the bank, she has

But it makes her happy and she is working towards a bigger goal (to be a published novelist.)



I think a better goal might actually be getting a real job that will provide her with a decent life.

Hef
11-29-2012, 19:31
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EM87
11-29-2012, 19:32
http://www.indeed.com/q-Writer-l-Houston,-TX-jobs.html

http://jobsearch.local-jobs.monster.com/jobs/?wt.mc_n=hjnpsearch&wt.mc_n=hjnpsearch&ch=houstonchronicle&q=writer&where=Houston,%20TX&re=130&cy=us&brd=1&rad=100

Thats just a couple. There are jobs available for a person willing to work, jobs in her field no less. She might need go into another field. To find herself across the country from home with 20.00 to her name and no way of getting around is not a recipe for disaster, it is the disaster. She needs take control of her situation and get that job, I personally would flip burgers before going homeless, but that's just me.
If it were my friend, I would tell her where to pick up her bus ticket.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/DriverLicense/ApplyforLicense.htm

http://houston.craigslist.org/ctd/3395794561.html

Just sayin'

Thank you. She has been applying for writing jobs for weeks now and has gotten a few of them, but they are all freelance and the work is sparse. As soon as she gets back to Michigan, she will be searching every day for an in-person job (if that makes sense). She knows that she needs a job and has been looking high and low.

jjslice
11-29-2012, 19:53
What part of Houston is she at

jp3975
11-29-2012, 20:07
I had a few friends[3] find themselves in need of a place to stay so i let them stay with me.

I eventually moved to a place they couldnt go.

One of them who was 17 decided he wanted to move to Houston, where a girl he liked lived. He asked me how he could make some money fast so he could get a bus ticket, and I told him to go door to door and ask to do odd jobs. He told me he went door to door asking for money. :rofl: He got the cash for the bus ticket in an afternoon and I found a homeless shelter for him to go to. After a short time he moved in with the girl. Just had a kid with her on Halloween. He could get anywhere he needed to go in Houston via public transportation.

If your friend doesnt want to live in a homeless shelter, she had better stay with her sister. The only other option I can think of is putting an ad on craigslist asking for a place to stay...preferably with a girl. Not the best option, but might beat living in some shelters.

rednoved
11-29-2012, 20:11
As I'm sure you've heard, writers don't make much money. But it makes her happy and she is working towards a bigger goal (to be a published novelist.)



If only bills could be paid with happiness.

EM87
11-29-2012, 20:12
What part of Houston is she at

I'm not sure, and she's only there to visit family for a few weeks anyway. Her life is in Michigan.

Bruce M
11-29-2012, 20:14
If she is going to be using public transportation, looking for a job, and have unstable housing, my opinion is that she ought to look not only for some place with good public transportation, but also someplace with a low (relatively speaking) unemployment rate and even better if the place with lower unemployment also has a mild winter.

Jgriggs
11-29-2012, 20:16
If she is going to be using public transportation, looking for a job, and have unstable housing, my opinion is that she ought to look not only for some place with good public transportation, but also someplace with a low (relatively speaking) unemployment rate and even better if the place with lower unemployment also has a mild winter.


Like Houston?

Gonzoso
11-29-2012, 20:21
Is this your ex?

czsmithGT
11-29-2012, 20:22
I'm not sure, and she's only there to visit family for a few weeks anyway. Her life is in Michigan.

I don't mean to sound harsh but if her life is in Michigan, why isn't she in Michigan right now looking for a job? And with no car and only $20 to her name, how is she planning to get from Houston back to Michigan?

Again, I don't mean to come off harsh because I have been in a similar situation to you, and if I had been able to help the situation come to a satisfactory resolution I might have better advice for you, but I wasn't.

Restless28
11-29-2012, 20:27
Is this your ex?

Beat me to it.

sharpshooter
11-29-2012, 20:29
As I'm sure you've heard, writers don't make much money. But it makes her happy and she is working towards a bigger goal (to be a published novelist.)
While it's important to find happiness in life, it's more important to be able to support yourself. A lot of the time that means working a "job" to earn money, and then seek happiness on your time off.

Hunting and fishing and shooting my .22 in the outdoors makes me happy, but I can't make a living doing that.

certifiedfunds
11-29-2012, 20:35
Try to help in any way you can. After that, I think there is nothing wrong with public assistance in this circumstance. Try the local churches first then turn to the government for help while she looks for work.

The situation you describe is not some fat, lazy, generational welfare queen. Just a person in need of help.

Public assistance is wrong in every circumstance.

ysr_racer
11-29-2012, 20:48
Hunting and fishing and shooting my .22 in the outdoors makes me happy, but I can't make a living doing that.

But damn, if it did I'd be rich :rofl:

Jgriggs
11-29-2012, 20:55
But damn, if it did I'd be rich :rofl:

Guide service

...Wait....Wait, a thought is.....


Tell your stories of hunting and fishing trips; a memoirs sort thing. I might have a line on an author that may be able to put it in writing. This way hunting and fishing trips just might pay, this author I may have a line on will get published. It's a win win.

cgwahl
11-29-2012, 20:55
She needs to figure out what she can do outside of writing and apply to those kind of jobs and do the writing thing part-time/freelance/contract until it takes off or something..

Having talked to a few people who did this kind of work, it's very competitive and everyone is doing it. Kind of like how all waiters in Hollywood are either an actor or screenplay writer. Generalizing, but you get the gist.

Gonzoso
11-29-2012, 21:01
An ex of mine came here from England when she was a kid. Lived here and grew up American. She split with her guy and was working somewhere under the table for a while. Well she let her visa or whatever she has lapse and needs 400$ to get back to being legal. She's got no unemployment because she was under the table and she's now illegal so she can't get a legal job.

Not much I can do, everybody has to keep their own **** together.

When it's someone you used to be with you still care for them and want them to not suffer(usually, I have one I could care less about) but it's not worth jeopardizing your own situation over. If I let my ex crash at my place or gave her the money my girl would shoot me and make me into a rug.:wow:

czsmithGT
11-29-2012, 21:03
If I let my ex crash at my place or gave her the money my girl would shoot me and make me into a rug.:wow:

Either that or stick you, skin you and turn your shinbone into a pencil box ;)

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11-29-2012, 21:04
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concretefuzzynuts
11-29-2012, 21:10
Public assistance is wrong in every circumstance.

I disagree. It is not a blanket condemnation to offer or accept public assistance. I agree that abuse of assistance is wrong, but to let someone suffer, who has worked and failed in the free market, is wrong.

There is nothing written or condemning a back up system offered by churches or government based help for people who, through no fault of their own, or thru times of hardship, need assistance. I have studied the constitution for many years.

LASTRESORT20
11-29-2012, 21:10
God bless her....`First... have her apply for unemployment (if possible)...then she needs to find a job close enough *any job...even if she is not happy with it...but it will be a `stepping-stone` (meeting `new` people and putting some money away)....she can use public transportation ....(incentive to save)...she can not sit still and feel sorry for herself...time is of the essence!....she needs to make some moves...giving her a few bucks to help her is an option....Best wishes for her.

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11-29-2012, 21:11
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They pay you to use the transportation!

Zonny
11-29-2012, 21:28
Where was she living? :dunno:

Somehow this doesn't seem like it was a good time for her to go on vacation.

Crypsis
11-29-2012, 21:31
1) Tell her to stay in Texas. Michigan's economy sucks.
2) Tell her to move to a college town and move in with a house full of university students. You know, the kind where 10 people live there and pay like $100 bucks each in rent. It's ghetto but that's where she is at right now. A place like this will normally be along a bus route.
3) Tell her to get food stamps to eat or get a job as a waitress or bartender ASAP.
4) Tell her to get real. I had $27k in savings by the time I was 27. She can find her happiness in writing part-time on the side while finding more realistic, well paying employment to pay the bills and keep her afloat.
5) After telling her all this, let her sink or swim on her own. It sounds like she doesn't realize the harshness of reality and needs to learn it the hard way.

Sorry to be so harsh. I truly do feel bad for her. It just makes me angry because I have seen people like this in my own life that live on the edge and any little thing can put them in a bad place. They don't listen to advice, they like to enjoy the moment and "be happy". It is frustrating.

Critias
11-29-2012, 21:39
In addition to moving to a college town (where menial labor possibilities and low-priced housing may be plentiful), has she thought about actually going to college? If she's serious about being a writer, being formally trained in the art might be just what she needs to really make it work as a career choice. Everyone gets better with good instruction and practice, and a degree in English Lit or Journalism, and some contacts thanks to helpful faculty, might be a big help to her.

If she can get it lined up and get herself some financial aid, also, to make ends meet in the meantime (and if she's willing to take on that kind of debt to do so). It sounds like she's -- for whatever reason, with whatever recent circumstances -- living hand to mouth like so many college kids do, so she might as well also be getting that education and credentials to go with it.

cowboywannabe
11-29-2012, 22:02
27, single, no kids, working full time and no car? hard to feel bad for that kind of person.

you work to pay your way through life, you do what you like after your bills are paid. few are lucky enough to have both in one.

DoubleWide
11-29-2012, 22:12
Honestly, it sounds like she's just been applying for jobs that she wants and not for ones that will pay the bills.

Get a job within walking distance.
Public Transportation or family drop offs.
She has a job now. Get a loan right away for a cheap used car.

and tell her to start donating plasma for money.

certifiedfunds
11-30-2012, 02:49
I disagree. It is not a blanket condemnation to offer or accept public assistance. I agree that abuse of assistance is wrong, but to let someone suffer, who has worked and failed in the free market, is wrong.

There is nothing written or condemning a back up system offered by churches or government based help for people who, through no fault of their own, or thru times of hardship, need assistance. I have studied the constitution for many years.

Sure it is wrong. That money was stolen from someone else. Don't lump churches in with government here.

Church, Charity, Family = OK

Government/public assistance = wrong

You think she's deserving of help, write her a check.

certifiedfunds
11-30-2012, 02:52
Is she attractive enough to be a stripper?

M&P15T
11-30-2012, 03:42
I will refrain from naming names or relationships during this post, but the following story is happening to someone very close to me and I am trying to figure out how to help them.

Some background information:
The friend in question is 27 years old and has been financially stable her whole life. She has a crackhead sister on welfare living in mid-southern Michigan, and has an aunt and uncle living in a much better upper middle class area of the same city. She has a upper middle class aunt living in a different city in Michigan. The rest of her family is dispersed across the country.

The situation:
My friend's job (online journalist, can be done from anywhere) will be discontinued at the end of the year. She has no car and no way to travel anywhere other than walking. She has no place to live right now and is currently visiting her family in Houston. She has $20 in her checking account, and any money she makes from her job from now until the end of the year will be spent on food and bills.

As soon as her income stops, she will have no way to pay her bills. Since she doesn't have a car she won't have a way to get to any job she may get unless she lives within walking distance to it. None of her family that she might be able to stay with lives within walking distance to any commerce areas, and she can't afford a place of her own that would be close to a job without money, which she doesn't have. She can't live with her family forever either, and even if she did, she wouldn't have a way to get to a job. She has been unable to find any other writing jobs online.

Neither of us knows anyone within walking distance of a job who would let her stay with them, and I can't help her myself due to my own personal circumstances that don't need to be discussed here.

What can she do?

You're from K-Zoo, so I'm going to assume she is too. I was born there, and lived in the Detroit area until I moved the Benton Harbor/St. Joseph, then lived and worked in Kalamazoo for awhile. I could type several paragraphs about my life in Michigan, and why I left for NoVa, but I'll spare everyone the details.

If she is in Texas now, she needs to stay there. Michigan is gone, there are very, very few jobs and a completley crushed economy. Texas can be nothing but better for her.

YOU need to knock out of her head that her life is in Michigan. I had that idea for way, waaaaay too long, and stayed there for too long when every indicator told me to get the hell out. If she can get no job in Michigan, if she can have no life in Michigan, then she needs to stay away. She needs to start a new life in Texas, where you say she has family.

Her life is no longer in Michigan, and you need to get that through to her.

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11-30-2012, 03:55
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JW1178
11-30-2012, 04:20
In this economy this situation happens to a lot of decent people. Society could help these kinds of people more if the welfare queens weren't mooching the system dry.

Sounds kind of like she has a wrong career field. She needs to just find a job, any job, even if it requires actual work. Live of unemployment until she finds something, but best to actually look for a job now.

Roger1079
11-30-2012, 04:56
27? Female? Hot?

She can sucker a guy to support her for a while until she gets back on her feet.If that is the case and she doesn't mind South FL, she can come stay with me.

Bren
11-30-2012, 05:02
Some background information:
The friend in question is 27 years old and has been financially stable her whole life.

My friend's job (online journalist, can be done from anywhere) will be discontinued at the end of the year.

She has no car and no way to travel anywhere other than walking. She has no place to live right now and is currently visiting her family in Houston.

She has $20 in her checking account, and any money she makes from her job from now until the end of the year will be spent on food and bills.

That doesn't add up to financially stable...not sure it even adds up to employed.

She has been unable to find any other writing jobs online.

What can she do?

How about she gets a real job - you didn't explain how her choices are limited to online writing jobs she can do from home. Some people have to work at jobs, not do what they want and expect pay for it.

HexHead
11-30-2012, 05:07
As an "online journalist", I doubt she was an employee. Probably considered an independent 1099 contractor and not entitled to unemployment.

She'd better start using her lady parts and living off the kindness of strangers.

Bren
11-30-2012, 05:18
She hasn't wasted time. She has been making a living as a writer for the better part of a decade now. As I'm sure you've heard, writers don't make much money. But it makes her happy and she is working towards a bigger goal (to be a published novelist.)


If you did your job to be happy, they wouldn't have to pay you for it. She needs to actually get a job.

Mrs.Cicero
11-30-2012, 06:57
I'm in Michigan. The only jobs in this entire state right now seem to be at grocery stores. I'm between Lansing and Jackson and shop in both places. Recently, several grocery stores have put up "hiring" signs. No place else has in several years. I would NOT suggest she come back to this state, because it will not recover economically in her lifetime, but if she insists, she needs to get her head on straight and realize she will have to work multiple part-time jobs, probably in retail, and fit her writing in on her "free" time. She ought to keep applying for those online writing jobs and writing her novel, but realize that this is the Real World, and right now that won't support her.

Also, if she is going to live with relatives, she needs to find out if any of them WORK on public transport line, so she can ride with them that far and then get on the bus.

Also, this situation is precisely what unemployment is for - you pay into it while you work, and then if you lose your job and something wipes out your savings, you apply for the safety net benefits.

okie
11-30-2012, 07:13
She needs to research where she could move to where there would be public transportation and the cost of living is cheap. Perhaps some family members could chip in some bank to help her move and get a place:wavey:

Bren
11-30-2012, 07:14
134 state government job openings in Michigan (http://agency.governmentjobs.com/michigan/default.cfm).

concretefuzzynuts
11-30-2012, 07:29
Sure it is wrong. That money was stolen from someone else.

Government/public assistance = wrong



What about the public assistance of the Fire Department? Or the assistance of the police? Public library? Roads?

I agree, abuse and reliance of welfare is wrong. Redistribution of wealth is wrong. But if there is a means to help someone who truly needs a hand up and there is no other means, she should use it.

ysr_racer
11-30-2012, 07:41
OP, your friend is a loser, cut her loose.

Z71bill
11-30-2012, 07:54
Go to college - borrow $20K a semester - don't worry be happy.

EM87
11-30-2012, 07:55
In addition to moving to a college town (where menial labor possibilities and low-priced housing may be plentiful), has she thought about actually going to college? If she's serious about being a writer, being formally trained in the art might be just what she needs to really make it work as a career choice. Everyone gets better with good instruction and practice, and a degree in English Lit or Journalism, and some contacts thanks to helpful faculty, might be a big help to her.

If she can get it lined up and get herself some financial aid, also, to make ends meet in the meantime (and if she's willing to take on that kind of debt to do so). It sounds like she's -- for whatever reason, with whatever recent circumstances -- living hand to mouth like so many college kids do, so she might as well also be getting that education and credentials to go with it.

Thank you for your advice. She has a college education in telecommunications and information management.

Leigh
11-30-2012, 07:56
Public assistance is wrong in every circumstance.

Tell that to the guy who lives on my street.
He's in his early 80's, no family, disabled from wounds suffered at the Chosin Reservior.
He is on public assistance and greatful for the help.

I guess in your small mind, that's wrong, too. Idiot.:upeyes:

EM87
11-30-2012, 07:58
Also, if she is going to live with relatives, she needs to find out if any of them WORK on public transport line, so she can ride with them that far and then get on the bus.

Brilliant! Thank you.

EM87
11-30-2012, 08:04
OP, your friend is a loser, cut her loose.

If you think that you know my friend well enough to judge her in the manner that you have so far in this thread, by all means call her what you want. I fail to see, though, how you could possibly know enough to do so from what has been posted. A person is much more than their situation.

I respectfully ask you to please refrain from posting more comments like that.

rhikdavis
11-30-2012, 08:22
Move her in with you.

VA27
11-30-2012, 08:39
...Hunting and fishing and shooting my .22 in the outdoors makes me happy, but I can't make a living doing that.

Sure you can. Search 'Wildlife Services' and 'Federal Trapper'.

EM87
11-30-2012, 09:03
Move her in with you.

Unable. That would have been the first thing I did if I could.

gatorboy
11-30-2012, 09:05
She's going to need a cheap, small vehicle. If her credit is'nt bad her laptop could be the down payment. Start a cleaning service, do homes during the day and offices at night. I know three people that started seperate sucessful cleaning services with next to nothing. They all used the money to start businesses they really wanted.

certifiedfunds
11-30-2012, 09:07
What about the public assistance of the Fire Department? Or the assistance of the police? Public library? Roads?

I agree, abuse and reliance of welfare is wrong. Redistribution of wealth is wrong. But if there is a means to help someone who truly needs a hand up and there is no other means, she should use it.

This is wealth redistribution. It is the realm of charity, not government. It begins with theft.

certifiedfunds
11-30-2012, 09:09
Tell that to the guy who lives on my street.
He's in his early 80's, no family, disabled from wounds suffered at the Chosin Reservior.
He is on public assistance and greatful for the help.

I guess in your small mind, that's wrong, too. Idiot.:upeyes:

Yes, idiot.

He should be receiving compensation from DOD for his disability. Anything else should come from private charity.

How much do you give him out of your pocket each year?

concretefuzzynuts
11-30-2012, 09:29
This is wealth redistribution. It is the realm of charity, not government. It begins with theft.

I respect your point of view and in a perfect world or if one could go back in time and prevent the start of the welfare program, welfare would not exist.

But it does and her case seems to fit the use of it.

Again, the abuse of the system is wrong but for someone who needs help, it is currently there. There are many, many people (some here on GT) who, thru no fault of there own are accepting food stamps. They are embarrassed but have children to feed or choose not to starve.

BTW... I am not on any public assistance.

sebecman
11-30-2012, 10:01
Trust me, with only $20 in the bank, she has



I think a better goal might actually be getting a real job that will provide her with a decent life.

This is the best answer.

Seriously, anyone who choses to be a struggling and starving writer at the age of 27 - is wasting time.

Be a writer on the side, but find a 40 hour per week job for pete's sake.

Detectorist
11-30-2012, 10:19
This is wealth redistribution. It is the realm of charity, not government. It begins with theft.

I hope you are in the top 3% of tax payers. If you are, I hope that Obama taxes you out of your wealth because of your attitude.

MtBaldy
11-30-2012, 10:19
I respectfully ask you to please refrain from posting more comments like that.

:rofl::rofl:

Seriously? You do realize this is GT GNG, right?

Bottom line is your friend has made very bad choices and now they're biting her in the rear. She desperately needs a reality check and it sounds like she's getting one. Help her if you want to but she put herself where she is. There's no guarantee she'll figure it out either even after she hits rock bottom.

Detectorist
11-30-2012, 10:23
To those who think jobs are easy to come by, there is a 24% unemployment rate for those 25-55 yo. The economy is terrible.

So you saved a gazillion bucks before you were 25. Good for you. Tell us how someone can do that is this economy.

Cooper
11-30-2012, 10:24
As an "online journalist", I doubt she was an employee. Probably considered an independent 1099 contractor and not entitled to unemployment.

She'd better start using her lady parts and living off the kindness of strangers.

OP, your friend is a loser, cut her loose.

This **** is disgusting.

The same people that encourage this lady to prostitute herself or enter a relationship for money are the ones who would then condemn her as a whore or a gold-digger in another thread. And, from all the evidence we've seen, this person is not a loser.

I am a hardline TANSTAAFL kind of guy. I am also an artist by trade. I have spent most of my life just scraping by because that was the choice I made. I have NEVER blamed anyone else for my financial situations, and with the exception of a few weeks of unemployment after suddenly losing a non-arts-related job (for which UE was part of the compensation), I have never accepted public assistance of any kind. I don't seek government grants to finance my work. I seek work to finance my work.

I'm not rich, but I own a home, I've never failed to pay my bills, I have a high standard of living, and this month I was able to help a friend in need with a small loan.

Most of the folks I went to school with failed. Some are living on a couch, still hanging on to the dream. Some quit their dream and got a 9-5. Some were hot art-major babes, and some of them became strippers. Judge them all however you want, but when you have a non-traditional career goal, you'd best take inventory of all your assets.

A few of us succeeded. Most of us that did are type-A, high-strung, aggro bastards who produce results and don't waste energy on things like relationships and happiness. So I'm uncomfortable calling people losers until they start begging the public treasury for handouts to finance their "dreams."

OP, buy your friend a used moped and tell her to get a job at Walmart. In Texas.

Detectorist
11-30-2012, 10:40
Thank you for your advice. She has a college education in telecommunications and information management.

She can get a Master's degree and be able to borrow money for her living expenses.

She needs a computer. PM for more info.

bobby_w
11-30-2012, 10:45
College education in Telecommunications and Information Technology AND she is a Writer AND in Houston, the current Job Capital in the USA ???

My God man, if she can't find a job here as a Technical Writer making mid to high 5 figures, she won't make it anywhere. :faint:

427
11-30-2012, 10:51
She can't find an admin job anywhere or even a clerk at a law office?

Annoyedgrunt
11-30-2012, 10:52
Another vote for the "get a job, any job" advice.

This is America. You pretty much have to want to be a bum in this country (especially if you're in your mid-20's) because there is ALWAYS work out there. It may not be glamorous or pay what you want, but sometimes you have to make the choice between a job you don't like and are not proud of than being out on the street.

Yeah, it sounds harsh, but so is reality. Best of luck to her, in the real world.

redbaron007
11-30-2012, 10:56
Go ahead...tell us.....Is this Queen LaBeefa you're talking about!? :rofl:


:wavey:

red

certifiedfunds
11-30-2012, 10:57
I respect your point of view and in a perfect world or if one could go back in time and prevent the start of the welfare program, welfare would not exist.

But it does and her case seems to fit the use of it.

Again, the abuse of the system is wrong but for someone who needs help, it is currently there. There are many, many people (some here on GT) who, thru no fault of there own are accepting food stamps. They are embarrassed but have children to feed or choose not to starve.

BTW... I am not on any public assistance.

This girl made some irresponsible choices. Public assistance will subsidize that. She needs to be hungry so she'll make better choices.

Bren
11-30-2012, 10:58
To those who think jobs are easy to come by, there is a 24% unemployment rate for those 25-55 yo. The economy is terrible.

So you saved a gazillion bucks before you were 25. Good for you. Tell us how someone can do that is this economy.

BS. We have a hard time getting people to apply to all the open jobs in government. The 24-25% would be working if they wanted to and didn't consider themselves too good for it.

certifiedfunds
11-30-2012, 10:59
I hope you are in the top 3% of tax payers. If you are, I hope that Obama taxes you out of your wealth because of your attitude.

I am and he is. Thank you for your concern.

devildog2067
11-30-2012, 11:01
BS. We have a hard time getting people to apply to all the open jobs in government. The 24-25% would be working if they wanted to and didn't consider themselves too good for it.

While there are certainly people who really, truly want to work and can't find a job, for the most part I agree with Bren.

"I can't find the right job" is not the same as "I can't find A job."

Bren
11-30-2012, 11:01
Yes, idiot.

He should be receiving compensation from DOD for his disability.

If he was disabled from war wounds, he would be. People often lie about that.

IndyGunFreak
11-30-2012, 11:02
As an "online journalist", I doubt she was an employee. Probably considered an independent 1099 contractor and not entitled to unemployment.

She'd better start using her lady parts and living off the kindness of strangers.

That's kinda what I was thinking when everyone was talking about claiming unemployment. I have a friend who is an online journalist of sorts (mostly for sports articles, reporting stats, real time reporting of games, etc..). He's carved out quite a living from it... but he is absolutely self employed, but he has contracts with numerous big name sports entities (STATS, ESPN, NBA, Dallas Mavericks, and others)

Is this your ex?

Sure sounds like it...

If she is in Texas now, she needs to stay there. Michigan is gone, there are very, very few jobs and a completley crushed economy. Texas can be nothing but better for her.

YOU need to knock out of her head that her life is in Michigan.

Agreed... She'd be crazy to stay there in this situation, when the only people capable of helping her are a thousand miles away.

IGF

devildog2067
11-30-2012, 11:02
Thank you for your advice. She has a college education in telecommunications and information management.

A halfway intelligent, halfway attractive woman can make a killing in car sales. All she needs is a pulse, the ability to listen, and a willingness to hustle.

certifiedfunds
11-30-2012, 11:03
A halfway intelligent, halfway attractive woman can make a killing in car sales. All she needs is a pulse, the ability to listen, and a willingness to hustle.

But will it make her happy?

427
11-30-2012, 11:10
A halfway intelligent, halfway attractive woman can make a killing in car sales. All she needs is a pulse, the ability to listen, and a willingness to hustle.

This is true. But she might have to work long hours and weekends. That might be a deal breaker.

RWBlue
11-30-2012, 11:12
College education in Telecommunications and Information Technology AND she is a Writer AND in Houston, the current Job Capital in the USA ???

My God man, if she can't find a job here as a Technical Writer making mid to high 5 figures, she won't make it anywhere. :faint:

You got to it first, but that is what I was thinking.

If she doesn't like TX. The same deal applies to Northern Virginia AND we have decent public transportation.

redbaron007
11-30-2012, 11:19
This girl made some irresponsible choices. Public assistance will subsidize that. She needs to be hungry so she'll make better choices.
^^^
Same page.


Something just aint right. Not sure the whole picture has been painted. I think the 'right job' is different than 'I need a job'. My guess is she is looking for first. :dunno:

:wavey:

red

Chuck TX
11-30-2012, 11:44
College education in Telecommunications and Information Technology AND she is a Writer AND in Houston, the current Job Capital in the USA ???

My God man, if she can't find a job here as a Technical Writer making mid to high 5 figures, she won't make it anywhere. :faint:

Exactly that.

It's like being in Los Angeles and not being able to find any acting roles to audition for. She's where she needs to be, but ought to open her eyes a little wider methinks.

MtBaldy
11-30-2012, 12:15
But will it make her happy?

And feel fulfilled?

PrecisionRifleman
11-30-2012, 12:24
Get a job, any job. Writting is obviously not sustaining her. Get a real job, and write on the side until its starts working for her or she comes to the realization its not for her. Sounds like she may not want to work another job, and in that case she probably needs to start looking for someone to marry her and ttake care of her. this someone will need to be a person who will support her wrotting endeavor while he goes to work and makes the money that is going to, in reality support them both.

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podwich
11-30-2012, 12:34
Choices:

If she can't get a writing job, get a different job.

Go back to school for something that'll pay off in the future.

Live with the family.

Go homeless.

If it were me, I'd go back to school and actually learn something that'll provide a stable job. I'd also get a job for the evening to support me. (Well, that's what I did during my 20s, anyway. Worked for me.)

Detectorist
11-30-2012, 12:49
BS. We have a hard time getting people to apply to all the open jobs in government. The 24-25% would be working if they wanted to and didn't consider themselves too good for it.

Maybe where you're living. I'm very skeptical that you have a hard time finding folks for a government job.

Besides retail, things are a lot tougher out there than most folks realize.

Detectorist
11-30-2012, 12:53
Another idea. Have her put an Ad on Craigslist offering house cleaning and cooking in exchange for a bed to sleep in until she is able to get a job.

Additionally, there are folks who need live in care and who provide room and board. Smaller newspapers have some of those listings.

EM87
11-30-2012, 13:18
This **** is disgusting.

The same people that encourage this lady to prostitute herself or enter a relationship for money are the ones who would then condemn her as a whore or a gold-digger in another thread. And, from all the evidence we've seen, this person is not a loser.

I am a hardline TANSTAAFL kind of guy. I am also an artist by trade. I have spent most of my life just scraping by because that was the choice I made. I have NEVER blamed anyone else for my financial situations, and with the exception of a few weeks of unemployment after suddenly losing a non-arts-related job (for which UE was part of the compensation), I have never accepted public assistance of any kind. I don't seek government grants to finance my work. I seek work to finance my work.

I'm not rich, but I own a home, I've never failed to pay my bills, I have a high standard of living, and this month I was able to help a friend in need with a small loan.

Most of the folks I went to school with failed. Some are living on a couch, still hanging on to the dream. Some quit their dream and got a 9-5. Some were hot art-major babes, and some of them became strippers. Judge them all however you want, but when you have a non-traditional career goal, you'd best take inventory of all your assets.

A few of us succeeded. Most of us that did are type-A, high-strung, aggro bastards who produce results and don't waste energy on things like relationships and happiness. So I'm uncomfortable calling people losers until they start begging the public treasury for handouts to finance their "dreams."

OP, buy your friend a used moped and tell her to get a job at Walmart. In Texas.

Thank you for this wonderful post! I am glad that you seem to understand what many others here do not.

Another idea. Have her put an Ad on Craigslist offering house cleaning and cooking in exchange for a bed to sleep in until she is able to get a job.

Additionally, there are folks who need live in care and who provide room and board. Smaller newspapers have some of those listings.

Great idea, thanks!

For those of you who think there is "more to the story": she is not declining jobs because she doesn't want them, and she sure as hell is not lazy. She hasn't gotten a job because she doesn't know what city she will be living in yet. She is visiting family in Houston right now, which is when she got the news that her position was being discontinued. If she had known that in advance (which of course she couldn't), then she wouldn't have gone to Houston to visit her family. She would have stayed in Michigan where her life is and looked for any job she could find, and that's exactly what she will be doing when she gets back from Houston.

certifiedfunds
11-30-2012, 13:25
She needs to live in the city where the job is. Not the other way around.

She really sounds immature

Jgriggs
11-30-2012, 13:32
Maybe where you're living. I'm very skeptical that you have a hard time finding folks for a government job.

Besides retail, things are a lot tougher out there than most folks realize.


And not nearly as tough some people think.

I bet I could get most everyone that has commented in this thread a job earning 40-50K per year with excellent benefits inside of two weeks. I also bet that most people wouldn't be interested in the job, and would rather go without despite the fact that it isn't labor intensive, isn't demeaning, and isn't even really all that hard to do.

Hef
11-30-2012, 13:54
This is true. But she might have to work long hours and weekends. That might be a deal breaker.

Then I would say she doesn't really want to work that bad.

Cooper
11-30-2012, 15:33
She really sounds immature

To me she sounds like someone who has chosen a non-traditional path and is now dealing with the repercussions of that choice. Until she has kids to support or starts mooching, that is her right and prerogative.

This is why fiscal conservatives lose elections.

certifiedfunds
11-30-2012, 15:40
To me she sounds like someone who has chosen a non-traditional path and is now dealing with the repercussions of that choice. Until she has kids to support or starts mooching, that is her right and prerogative.



I agree with you so long as she doesn't expect the taxpayers to subsidize her behavior, as some suggested earlier in the thread.

But yes, it sounds immature where he says she hasn't yet gotten a job because she hasn't decided which city she will live in.

She should stay in Houston where the economy is robust and she can find work instead of "where her life is".

Cooper
11-30-2012, 15:44
Well, that is true. Were I in the situation, I'd make my mind up pretty damned quick, and my decision would be heavily weighted toward where I could find work. But I'm not in the situation, so I'll reserve judgement.

Detectorist
11-30-2012, 16:48
And not nearly as tough some people think.

I bet I could get most everyone that has commented in this thread a job earning 40-50K per year with excellent benefits inside of two weeks. I also bet that most people wouldn't be interested in the job, and would rather go without despite the fact that it isn't labor intensive, isn't demeaning, and isn't even really all that hard to do.

OK, I will give you $1,000.00 to prove that with me. Are you a headhunter?

skeeter1959
11-30-2012, 17:21
Plenty of jobs in Houston. Send her to H-Town and get a decent paying job.

czsmithGT
11-30-2012, 17:53
Plenty of jobs in Houston. Send her to H-Town and get a decent paying job.

LOL the OP said she is in Houston now spending her last $20 and living with relatives, but wants to go back to Michigan where there aren't any decent jobs. Go figure.

glock_19guy1983
11-30-2012, 18:16
if she is even moderately attractive and able to stay away from the bad influences, a few months working in a strip club could get her back on her feet

certifiedfunds
11-30-2012, 18:22
if she is even moderately attractive and able to stay away from the bad influences, a few months working in a strip club could get her back on her feet

Enough with the moderately attractive dancers. The world doesn't need more of those

IndyGunFreak
11-30-2012, 18:30
You keep saying "her life" is in Michigan... She's single, no kids, about to have no job, and rents? What exactly is "her life" in Michigan that would be more important than eating?

From what you're saying, Michigan really offers nothing for her (except apparently being near a crackhead relative and having friends there).

In Houston, she has people that can support her, a job market where she can make really good money using her degree (while still pursuing her writing), and she's there right now? I've actually known a few writers(trying to get published) over the years. They've all held "normal" jobs while pursuing their fields... Couple security guards, one worked at AutoZone and did car repairs on the side (he actually ended up published)

Something isn't adding up here... either she is to immature to make a decision like this (which should be an easy one), or you are trying to convince her "her life" is in Michigan. You seem to invested in her coming back to Michigan to really give her unbiased advice.

Sorry if it's harsh or not what you wanted to hear, but that's how I see it.

IGF

czsmithGT
11-30-2012, 18:31
if she is even moderately attractive and able to stay away from the bad influences, a few months working in a strip club could get her back on her feet

I would guess that the chances of a girl working in a strip club and also being able to stay away from the bad influences are about as good as having Bigfoot and ET both drop in on your next backyard BBQ.

skeeter1959
11-30-2012, 18:35
LOL the OP said she is in Houston now spending her last $20 and living with relatives, but wants to go back to Michigan where there aren't any decent jobs. Go figure.

If she can't get a job in Houston, she ain't looking! No pity for her. :faint::faint:

Jgriggs
11-30-2012, 18:41
OK, I will give you $1,000.00 to prove that with me. Are you a headhunter?

Nope, not a headhunter.

Not affiliated with them at all, and did not say everyone would benefit. Just that most can do it.

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Keep your thousand dollars, but if you have any doubt about it, call and see how far along the hiring process you get. This is not the only company, I only posted this one because they are at the top of my mind, there are plenty of others covering every geographic area of the country. Do some research in this industry, find other company names and see if you can't get a job offer within a couple weeks. Like I said though, most will choose to not to do it.

I did it 19 years ago because it was better than flipping burgers.

Glad I could help.

Detectorist
11-30-2012, 20:00
Nope, not a headhunter.

Not affiliated with them at all, and did not say everyone would benefit. Just that most can do it.

http://www.joinswift.com/new-to-trucking.html

Keep your thousand dollars, but if you have any doubt about it, call and see how far along the hiring process you get. This is not the only company, I only posted this one because they are at the top of my mind, there are plenty of others covering every geographic area of the country. Do some research in this industry, find other company names and see if you can't get a job offer within a couple weeks. Like I said though, most will choose to not to do it.

I did it 19 years ago because it was better than flipping burgers.

Glad I could help.

There is a thread on here regarding driving jobs. None mention this $40,000.

Jgriggs
11-30-2012, 20:18
There is a thread on here regarding driving jobs. None mention this $40,000.

None mention 40k? Ok.

Swift starts at around .28 cpm. 12k miles per month is 40k per year in earnings potential. 12 k miles per month is easy.

11 hours driving per day. (max allowed) at 50 mph average speed is 550 miles per day. 12k means you only work 3 weeks per month to earn that 40, and that's starting pay. None of the other threads mention it? Ok.

As for me, on a slow week I net 850. On a good week I net 1100. And I'm home every day. But this isn't a driving thread, and I don't mean to hijack it, just saying there are jobs a person can walk into off the street and earn good money.

I will say that if you think my math is wrong, please feel free to correct it. If you are doubting that a person can drive 12,000 miles per month, rest assured we can. The recruiters will say 10k, but 12 is not only doable, but easy.

As I said though, there is potential for money, the benefits are good, and most won't even consider it, i'll put you in that camp. As to the OP's friend, we are all victims of our decisions.

Detectorist
11-30-2012, 20:35
None mention 40k? Ok.

Swift starts at around .28 cpm. 12k miles per month is 40k per year in earnings potential. 12 k miles per month is easy.

11 hours driving per day. (max allowed) at 50 mph average speed is 550 miles per day. 12k means you only work 3 weeks per month to earn that 40, and that's starting pay. None of the other threads mention it? Ok.

As for me, on a slow week I net 850. On a good week I net 1100. And I'm home every day. But this isn't a driving thread, and I don't mean to hijack it, just saying there are jobs a person can walk into off the street and earn good money.

I will say that if you think my math is wrong, please feel free to correct it. If you are doubting that a person can drive 12,000 miles per month, rest assured we can. The recruiters will say 10k, but 12 is not only doable, but easy.

As I said though, there is potential for money, the benefits are good, and most won't even consider it, i'll put you in that camp. As to the OP's friend, we are all victims of our decisions.

Heck, I'll consider anything. I don't have the money to move or to pay for training...we'll see.

ysr_racer
11-30-2012, 20:40
Unless you're banging this chcik, it's not worth the drama.

Even then it might not be worth it.

Jgriggs
11-30-2012, 20:42
Swift provides training and trans to their facilities. You don't have to move, you can reside where you are currently.
I am not a headhunter or recruiter, I just know the industry I've been in for the past 19 yrs.

Detectorist
11-30-2012, 20:48
Swift provides training and trans to their facilities. You don't have to move, you can reside where you are currently.
I am not a headhunter or recruiter, I just know the industry I've been in for the past 19 yrs.

Curious as to what are your expenses on the road. I can see food eating up a paycheck.

berto62
11-30-2012, 21:12
Heck, I'll consider anything. I don't have the money to move or to pay for training...we'll see.

This is truck driving stay very far away from it.


You'll get fat, high blood pressure, stress, work with the most vile pieces of **** that ever breathed air and NOT be able to decapitate them. And that's just the ****** water drinking dispatchers. The ****tards on the highways are worse.


It ain't Smokey and the Bandit out here.

It IS however job security. If your priorities are feeding your family, giving your kids a chance at life, then it's valuable.

If you think it's cool and a great way to see the country, you're a ****ing idiot.

Expect to be gone from home 2-3 weeks at a time and home for about 2 days when you first start. Don't believe one single advertisement that you get weekends off. There is always just one more load that dispatch needs you to cover.

Don't even think about getting one of them high paying teamster jobs or local gigs without experience or the ability to swallow. They just don't exist anymore. Most union shops are about 40 percent layed off.

If you live south of the Ohio river, expect about 30 percent less wages. Money is on the east coast, so yes Francis, expect to see New York.

Oh, and taking your wife on the road is a fast track to divorce. Unless both of you are less than 100 pounds, you ain't sleeping together. You won't be able to afford to feed her and she ain't gettin in the truck with you after 5 days without a shower.

You WILL need to know how to read a map. GPS is a novelty toy out here that gets more people in trouble than it ever helps.

DO NOT EVER BE CONVINCED THAT OWNING YOUR OWN TRUCK WILL MAKE YOU MORE MONEY. Takes plenty of experience to even have a half assed attempt at that. Anyone that says they are rich from driving for Prime is a drooling idiot that never made more money than a paper route.

Recruiters are liars. Period. Do your own research.

With the new regulations, unfortunately some place like Swift or Schneider is your best bet to start. You will never be better than meat in the seat and just another commodity like fuel or washer fluid to the corporate entity. What it will do, is give you valuable seat time to figure out what you'd rather do.

certifiedfunds
11-30-2012, 21:21
This is truck driving stay very far away from it.


You'll get fat, high blood pressure, stress, work with the most vile pieces of **** that ever breathed air and NOT be able to decapitate them. And that's just the ****** water drinking dispatchers. The ****tards on the highways are worse.


It ain't Smokey and the Bandit out here.

It IS however job security. If your priorities are feeding your family, giving your kids a chance at life, then it's valuable.

If you think it's cool and a great way to see the country, you're a ****ing idiot.

Expect to be gone from home 2-3 weeks at a time and home for about 2 days when you first start. Don't believe one single advertisement that you get weekends off. There is always just one more load that dispatch needs you to cover.

Don't even think about getting one of them high paying teamster jobs or local gigs without experience or the ability to swallow. They just don't exist anymore. Most union shops are about 40 percent layed off.

If you live south of the Ohio river, expect about 30 percent less wages. Money is on the east coast, so yes Francis, expect to see New York.

Oh, and taking your wife on the road is a fast track to divorce. Unless both of you are less than 100 pounds, you ain't sleeping together. You won't be able to afford to feed her and she ain't gettin in the truck with you after 5 days without a shower.

You WILL need to know how to read a map. GPS is a novelty toy out here that gets more people in trouble than it ever helps.

DO NOT EVER BE CONVINCED THAT OWNING YOUR OWN TRUCK WILL MAKE YOU MORE MONEY. Takes plenty of experience to even have a half assed attempt at that. Anyone that says they are rich from driving for Prime is a drooling idiot that never made more money than a paper route.

Recruiters are liars. Period. Do your own research.

With the new regulations, unfortunately some place like Swift or Schneider is your best bet to start. You will never be better than meat in the seat and just another commodity like fuel or washer fluid to the corporate entity. What it will do, is give you valuable seat time to figure out what you'd rather do.

That was a fun read.

jp3975
11-30-2012, 21:24
None mention 40k? Ok.

Swift starts at around .28 cpm. 12k miles per month is 40k per year in earnings potential. 12 k miles per month is easy.

11 hours driving per day. (max allowed) at 50 mph average speed is 550 miles per day. 12k means you only work 3 weeks per month to earn that 40, and that's starting pay. None of the other threads mention it? Ok.

As for me, on a slow week I net 850. On a good week I net 1100. And I'm home every day. But this isn't a driving thread, and I don't mean to hijack it, just saying there are jobs a person can walk into off the street and earn good money.

I will say that if you think my math is wrong, please feel free to correct it. If you are doubting that a person can drive 12,000 miles per month, rest assured we can. The recruiters will say 10k, but 12 is not only doable, but easy.

As I said though, there is potential for money, the benefits are good, and most won't even consider it, i'll put you in that camp. As to the OP's friend, we are all victims of our decisions.

I contacted Swift and they told me id be gone for 3 weeks before i got a few days off, then back out. If you let them pay for schooling/housing, you have to sign a contract to stay with them 2 years.

2 years of 3 weeks on the road before a few off days. Seeing your family 2 days a month...hard pill to swallow. You talked like it was a cake walk.

How do you get the home every day job?

Critias
11-30-2012, 21:47
I contacted Swift and they told me id be gone for 3 weeks before i got a few days off, then back out. If you let them pay for schooling/housing, you have to sign a contract to stay with them 2 years.

2 years of 3 weeks on the road before a few off days. Seeing your family 2 days a month...hard pill to swallow. You talked like it was a cake walk.

How do you get the home every day job?
I don't think he's saying it's a glorious perfect job for everyone, or anything like that...but for a chick like this? With no kids, no spouse, no boyfriend, and no place to stay? Hell, maybe ridin' in a truck for three weeks at a time would do her some good, y'know?

I'm not kidding myself that she'd be willing to look into this sort of job (don't get me wrong), but to someone who's desperate for a place to stay and has no real "anchor" like a family or a mortgage holding them in one place? I can see how the dotted yellow line and a decent paycheck might look pretty good.

czsmithGT
11-30-2012, 21:50
[/URL][url]http://www.joinswift.com/new-to-trucking.html (http://www.joinswift.com/experienced-drivers.html)

Glad I could help.

Jade Falcon is interested in getting into OTR trucking.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1455557



The OP's friend in this thread- I bet not so much LOL

Hef
11-30-2012, 22:00
I would guess that the chances of a girl working in a strip club and also being able to stay away from the bad influences are about as good as having Bigfoot and ET both drop in on your next backyard BBQ.

There are girls who dance because they have daddy issues, and girls with substance abuse problems. Some girls hate the 9-5, others love to be ogled by men. But, there are some who are purely driven by the money, and they can't be distracted from their goals. Those are the strippers who bank big time.

Detectorist
11-30-2012, 22:02
How about Stevens Transport?

http://www.stevenstransportdata.com/

glock_19guy1983
11-30-2012, 22:28
That was a fun read.

Berto speaks the truth. I drove flat bed for a year for a decent company. I was home every weekend but still hated it. I cant even imagine being an indentured servant for swift

Jgriggs
11-30-2012, 22:52
That was a fun read.

It was a fun read, I can't even say I disagree. There is plenty of down side to it, but in the context if the OP, it is like playing 'would ya rather...' Would ya rather be homeless or pay the bills.

As far as the job itself, you do need experience for a local job. Owning a truck? Never ever do it IMHO. You trade vacation and the rest of the benefits for the right to buy your own tires out if pocket.

Expenses can add up, you need to be careful. Food is overpriced etc. But like I said, its a matter of would ya rather. My only point is that the jobs are there now, and most ppl can walk into it.
Would I rather make my 50k between the hors of 9 to 5 yup. Can I? Not yet.

Jgriggs
12-01-2012, 00:01
I contacted Swift and they told me id be gone for 3 weeks before i got a few days off, then back out. If you let them pay for schooling/housing, you have to sign a contract to stay with them 2 years.

2 years of 3 weeks on the road before a few off days. Seeing your family 2 days a month...hard pill to swallow. You talked like it was a cake walk.

How do you get the home every day job?

Huh, cake walk? I never said it was a cake walk, it is in fact a lifestyle that is not right for everyone. I brought it up because another person was saying that it is very tough to find work. All I said is that it is in fact not all that hard to find a good paying job, and I stand by that.
As far as what that recruiter told you goes that is basically true BUT.... It is also possible to be home much more often. They tell you 1 day for each week as a matter of company policy and to be on the conservative side. I worked for a company when I lived in Tulsa where I ran between Chicago and Laredo Texas, I saw my family every few days.
It is certainly not all roses, truth be told I don't really like driving for many of the reasons others have already mentioned, but back to the original point, and the honest situation I was in, it is better than working at Arbys.
The two year contract with swift isn'tmy idea of good times either, but it is the tradeoff for the provided training; weigh the options for yourself. The local job you get with that two years experience.

Again it is not for everybody, and I never said it was, but it is available to most everybody. Do your own research, but when talking to people be wary of those that make blanket statements. Know one last time that while it. Is an option for most, it would not be a good fit for many. Evvaluate it based on your financial reality, and family needs, it is huge and truely life changing, only the individual can decide if it is right. I will say though, that there is paid vacation time, so three days a month for two years isn't completely accurate.

Anyway, have a great night.
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Bren
12-01-2012, 04:07
Unless you're banging this chcik, it's not worth the drama.

Even then it might not be worth it.

That is the real answer to this whole silly thread.

JMS
12-01-2012, 06:42
I used to wait tables throughout high school and college at mid price restaurants and averaged $25 per hour, a higher end Ruth Chris type restaurant would easily net this amount. She can still dream about being a successful writer while still paying the bills. Also easy to find a coworker willing to split a rent bill.

certifiedfunds
12-01-2012, 06:53
I don't think he's saying it's a glorious perfect job for everyone, or anything like that...but for a chick like this? With no kids, no spouse, no boyfriend, and no place to stay? Hell, maybe ridin' in a truck for three weeks at a time would do her some good, y'know?

I'm not kidding myself that she'd be willing to look into this sort of job (don't get me wrong), but to someone who's desperate for a place to stay and has no real "anchor" like a family or a mortgage holding them in one place? I can see how the dotted yellow line and a decent paycheck might look pretty good.

She might even get out there and realize her life isn't in Michigan after all.

Cooper
12-01-2012, 08:07
Unless you're banging this chcik, it's not worth the drama.

That is the real answer to this whole silly thread.

Right. Because helping friends isn't worth it. What did they ever do for you?

The sense I get is that there is drama because the OP CAN'T "bang the chick." I'm betting the OP is married and this lady is an ex-romantic interest and the OP is trying to do the right thing by both his friend and his wife. Otherwise, he would just let her move in for awhile.

The lady-hate on GT has gotten worse over the years. If this thread were "helping my buddy out," the reaction would be entirely different. There are plenty of affluent homosexual men willing to drop cash, but NO ONE on GT would suggest that "your buddy" get his ass in front of a webcam or shack up with a sugar daddy. We'd never hear "Dude, unless you're banging the dude, it's not worth it."

EM87
12-01-2012, 10:24
Right. Because helping friends isn't worth it. What did they ever do for you?

The sense I get is that there is drama because the OP CAN'T "bang the chick." I'm betting the OP is married and this lady is an ex-romantic interest and the OP is trying to do the right thing by both his friend and his wife. Otherwise, he would just let her move in for awhile.

The lady-hate on GT has gotten worse over the years. If this thread were "helping my buddy out," the reaction would be entirely different. There are plenty of affluent homosexual men willing to drop cash, but NO ONE on GT would suggest that "your buddy" get his ass in front of a webcam or shack up with a sugar daddy. We'd never hear "Dude, unless you're banging the dude, it's not worth it."

Your guess as to my relationship with her is a good guess based on the information I provided, but it's not even close.

Also, thank you for this post. I don't mind ignoring the rude and offensive posts, but I still don't like reading them. I am starting to think that creating this thread may have been the wrong thing to do, but there have been a few good ideas that have come from it, so I can't dismiss it completely. Just trying to help my friend.

ysr_racer
12-01-2012, 10:37
Have her contact the TSA, they'll hire anybody.

On a side note, I wanted to be a cowboy or an astronaut, but then I grew up and got a real job.

Sometimes life is like that.

"So you think I'm a loser?

Just because I have a stinking job that I hate, a family that doesn't respect me, a whole city that curses the day I was born? Well, that may mean loser to you, but let me tell you something. Every morning when I wake up, I know it's not going to get any better until I go back to sleep again.

So I get up, have my watered down Tang and still-frozen Pop Tart, get in my car with no upholstery, no gas and six more payments to fight traffic just for the privilege of putting cheap shoes on the cloven hooves of people like you.

I'll never play football like I thought I would, I'll never know the touch of a beautiful woman, and I'll never again know the joy of driving without a bag on my head.

But I'm not a loser. 'Cause despite it all, me and every other guy who'll never be what he wanted to be, are still out there, being what we don't wanna be, forty hours a week, for life. And the fact that I haven't put a gun to my mouth, you pudding of a woman, makes me a winner!" Al Bundy

IQof1
12-03-2012, 08:10
online journalist? can one safely deduce that if this is the case she just might be an Obama supporter?

if so, i think she is getting what she voted for......

if not, i truly feel for the girl.

devildog2067
12-03-2012, 08:18
Just trying to help my friend.

You can't help your friend until she gets serious about helping herself, and that means being willing to work a "regular" job to survive.

I commend her willingness to take risks to pursue a nontraditional career, and I wish her the best of luck as a writer, but there are times when you gotta suck it up and do what you gotta do. When you have $20 in your pocket is one of those times.

I was serious when I said she could probably make a good living selling cars. Do it for a while, save some money, go back to writing if that's really what she wants to do.

devildog2067
12-03-2012, 08:20
online journalist? can one safely deduce that if this is the case she just might be an Obama supporter?

Umm... no, one can't leap to that totally unfounded conclusion at all.

JuneyBooney
12-03-2012, 08:36
27? Female? Hot?

She can sucker a guy to support her for a while until she gets back on her feet.

You dirty ole man. :rofl:You think like me. Women "work" men all the time. She could also try unemployment and see if that will kick i for her.

CBennett
12-03-2012, 10:06
go on welfare let Obamacare/Obama and the Govt take care of her.

MtBaldy
12-03-2012, 10:22
online journalist? can one safely deduce that if this is the case she just might be an Obama supporter?

if so, i think she is getting what she voted for......

if not, i truly feel for the girl.

Umm... no, one can't leap to that totally unfounded conclusion at all.

You can't say it's an absolute but it's a pretty safe bet:

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Political-Views-of-Journalists-My-Feud-with-Eric-Alterman-Part-2

DaleGribble
12-03-2012, 10:40
She's got a bachelors degree right? She should join the Air Force, go through OCS and do her 20. She'll be set for life, she'll get to see the world and serve her country to boot. Everybody wins!

mhill
12-03-2012, 10:50
Buy her a tent = No longer homeless.

Solved.

TBO
12-03-2012, 10:52
She's got a bachelors degree right? She should join the Air Force, go through OCS and do her 20. She'll be set for life, she'll get to see the world and serve her country to boot. Everybody wins!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/TheeBadOne/TBO/Plusone.gif

ggarciatx
12-03-2012, 12:33
you said she has a Degree. Texas Schools are hard up for Teachers and she could get hired with the promise she will get her certificiation within a year or two. They will hire you with a Bachleors degree. Seriously, Houston is packed with jobs. She has to bite the bullet and take something that might not make her happy, but will pay the bills. Who knows, she just might like Teaching. Other than that, Houston has like 10-15 major Colleges and Universities. Those places are always hiring for diferent jobs.
I have a friend who works for the State in Houston helping people find jobs. PM me if she is truly serious about staying in Houston. He might have leads.

Jgriggs
12-03-2012, 13:05
if she is truly serious about staying in Houston.

I think that is the rub right there. She doesn't seem to want to stay in Texas. I think that is where all the talk of 'her life is in MI' is coming from. I think most of the suggestions here, with the exception of the obviously rude ones, are all pretty good.

She's in Houston now, the job market in TX in general is smokin' compared to Michigan. She knows people/has family. Finding a job down there, whether temporarily or permanently seems to me to be a good suggestion. Joining the USAF could actually be a very good idea. If she is in good physical shape and has the level of mental aptitude to make it through the training, then it could be a very good thing. Not only because it solves the short term problems, but because the USAF also has journalists and other assorted writer type jobs.

devildog2067
12-03-2012, 13:14
Joining the USAF could actually be a very good idea.

They don't hand out Air Force commissions to just anyone--it's pretty hard to get into the military right now.

Jgriggs
12-03-2012, 13:18
They don't hand out Air Force commissions to just anyone--it's pretty hard to get into the military right now.

Thats true.

In general though if a person has the ability to get a commission, and has the ability to even get in from the start, it would be a pretty good deal. Like you said, just not for everyone - for many reasons

DrMaxit
12-03-2012, 14:48
Thank you for your advice. She has a college education in telecommunications and information management.

Bachelors degree? If so tell her to commission. She can do her online journalism on the side for extra cash any day, but apparently needs something stable and structured.

Edit: This has been mentioned already. I still think its a great idea to try. There is also NOAA and another branch she can join also.

OhioGlock90
12-03-2012, 23:45
honestly it sounds like not going back to Michigan is the best idea. Also she should look for a job at a restaurant or bar. people might think that serving is a bad job or beneath them but honestly you make a lot of money doing it if you work hard. Also when your working you get free food or half half food, so that solves a problem. Being a server or bartender isnt always the easiest job, you have to deal with some not so nice people and run your ass off, but like i said you make a lot of money! Also it is a industry that comes alive at night, so she could spend the day writing or looking for another job she likes better. hey we all need to eat, so there is always food industry jobs! That's just my two cents

JuneyBooney
12-04-2012, 04:16
They don't hand out Air Force commissions to just anyone--it's pretty hard to get into the military right now.

They are still hiring. :whistling:

DaneA
12-04-2012, 07:18
She's got a bachelors degree right? She should join the Air Force, go through OCS and do her 20. She'll be set for life, she'll get to see the world and serve her country to boot. Everybody wins!

They don't hand out Air Force commissions to just anyone--it's pretty hard to get into the military right now.

Chances of her getting a commission are slim/none unless she is a MD. Just checked into this last year.

But her enlisting in any service would be a win for her. She can go in as a journalist and do what she loves and get paid. No kids or spouse I don't really understand why she hasn't already signed on the dotted line.

ysr_racer
12-04-2012, 07:21
I still wanna be a cowboy !!!

TBO
12-04-2012, 09:07
Still haven't heard if she's hot.

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JMS
12-04-2012, 09:57
This thread has jumped the shark, the consensus is for her to stay in Texas, it sounds like she's insistent on moving back to Michigan. Usually people with $20 in the bank have made a series of bad decisions, not just one. This is just one more in a line of many.

Defender77
12-05-2012, 15:01
Short term: apply for unemployment, food stamps etc as a temporary thing.


Long Term: get out of the journalism business entirely. It is a dead-end career imho unless she's going to be the next broadcast news anchor sensation.

Defender77
12-05-2012, 15:11
That's kinda what I was thinking when everyone was talking about claiming unemployment. I have a friend who is an online journalist of sorts (mostly for sports articles, reporting stats, real time reporting of games, etc..). He's carved out quite a living from it... but he is absolutely self employed, but he has contracts with numerous big name sports entities (STATS, ESPN, NBA, Dallas Mavericks, and others)



To be connected with those top tier media outlets, he has to be one heck of a good writer and maybe have a lot of contacts and sources to get the scoop on other journalists.

Cream always rises to the top, imho.