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HOTHEAD
12-01-2012, 18:49
OK, short and sweet.

My 13 yo son came to me and asked how I would feel about him asking for a butterfly for Christmas. After talking it over with the wife, and having a conversation with him about reasons he would like one, I think I'm OK with it. He is a pretty responsible kid, and I've explained if it leaves the house for any reason other than fishing or camping, he will be dragged into the basement and beaten where the neighbors will not be able to hear the screams:whistling:.

I get that to a 13 yo they are pretty high with cool factor. So I checked, and they are legal to own in NY, but I may have a hard time finding places that will ship here. Nothing fancy, he's just going to flip it around till he breaks a pin out of it anyways..

It would be great if anyone knew an online knife store that accepted Paypal, as it just makes it easy to complete sales..

Thanks
Regards
HOTHEAD

countrygun
12-01-2012, 18:56
I looked up the Bear Butterly at about $29 on the Smokey Mountain Knife Works website and it says "Restricted" in a couple of places including NY.

17119jfkioe
12-01-2012, 18:59
http://www.bladeops.com/Benchmade-42-101-Gold-Class-Balisong-p/ben42-101.htm

HOTHEAD
12-01-2012, 19:00
I looked up the Bear Butterly at about $29 on the Smokey Mountain Knife Works website and it says "Restricted" in a couple of places including NY.

I spent about an hour reading, I guess they are legal to own, at least upstate, but most company's just don't want to take the chance on dealing with NY.

HOTHEAD
12-01-2012, 19:02
http://www.bladeops.com/Benchmade-42-101-Gold-Class-Balisong-p/ben42-101.htm

$1500:wow::wow:

I remember when you could get cheap ones at a carnival for like $10

17119jfkioe
12-01-2012, 19:06
$1500:wow::wow:

I remember when you could get cheap ones at a carnival for like $10

sorry, that post was not even remotely helpful to you. Let me look around for a website.

What city do you live in?

GAFinch
12-01-2012, 19:21
Try a flea market or a downtown pawn shop that sells guns and/or knives.

RonS
12-01-2012, 19:21
http://coldsteel.com/Product/24P/PARADOX.aspx

Contains a little background on the laws. Note, the knife above looks like but is not a butterfly knive, requires two hands to open so they can sell it in the states where they are banned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balisong_(knife)

Good luck in your hunt.

My dad had one made somewhere in Scandanavia, it had plastic handles but a laminated Swedish steel blade. Scary sharp.

taurn88
12-01-2012, 19:22
Have you tried the flea markets? They're like $10 and the edge are usually dull. Good enough to play with.

Victoriagotagun
12-01-2012, 19:26
For a non-knife, Spyderco has the Baliyo pen. That way he can practice without the possibly of getting cut.

http://baliyo.com/

countrygun
12-01-2012, 19:28
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My dad had one made somewhere in Scandanavia, it had plastic handles but a laminated Swedish steel blade. Scary sharp.

We bought tose way back before people knew what a butterfly knife was. I still have a couple around.

I saw someone trying to sell one on GB trying to claim they "were specially made for the CIA" :rofl:

We bought them at Norm Thompson, I always knew they were a front operation:supergrin:

They are still a great knife EXCELLENT steel and they were under $20 at the time. If you "loosened them up" with a nail file for instance, they became very "flipable":whistling:

G26S239
12-01-2012, 19:29
http://www.888knivesrus.com has good reliable quick service and a good selection.

BEER
12-01-2012, 19:36
ok i'll be the first one to give you really solid advice then.

convince your son there is absolutely no practical purpose for a butterfly/ballisong knife, nor are they "cool". they're impractical, slow, illegal in most places, and dangerous to both novices and practiced users.

if he's that keen on having a "cool" knife and you're going to keep a close eye on him and not let him carry it out of the house anyway just get him an auto. boker's sister company magnum makes a decent auto for like 30$.

better yet, get him a spyderco that he'll keep and use forever and then do the zip tie mod and teach him how to work it. he'll have a good knife that opens faster than anything else out there, and it'll still be a good legal knife once the cool factor wears off and he removes the zip tie.

my honest suggestion would be a spyderco tenacious.
http://www.cutleryshoppe.com/spydercotenacious-plaincomboorserratededge.aspx

Benton
12-01-2012, 20:29
Google: Benchmade. I wouldn't get a 13 year old kid a butterfly knife, regardless of how responsible he SEEMS.

4Rules
12-01-2012, 20:36
http://www.benchmade.com/ (http://www.benchmade.com/)

joker42179
12-01-2012, 20:46
just get him a butterfly trainer

Rabbi
12-01-2012, 20:49
Let him join the Boy Scouts and earn his "Totin' Chip"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totin%27_Chip

USMCsilver
12-01-2012, 20:53
I think I got my 1st butterfly @ about that age.

Never got in trouble with it, but did get some bloody knuckles practicing. Mine still works to this day. I'll have to check the brand tomorrow to see if they're still made. The latch is worn, though, and won't keep it closed. I think I can use a piece of electrical tape to make it work. :)

Good luck on the search. These days, it'd be a tough call to make. Seems kids are "different" now than they were 20 years ago. If he's a good, decent kid, then he'll probably be fine with it.

Gombey
12-01-2012, 21:18
Check out Knife Center (http://www.knifecenter.com)

They have great prices, I know that they sell Benchmades at the LEO .mil discount price and right now they have free shipping on orders over $99. Get another knife for yourself or a gift!

Keoking
12-01-2012, 21:28
I think I got my 1st butterfly @ about that age.

Same here. My dad bought it for me while we were hanging out in a mall waiting on my mom to get her ass in gear. I still have it nearly 30 years later.

Only "trouble" I got into was when I brought it into high school to carve my initials into a bench in the senior study area. Teacher saw it, took it away, and made me pick it up in the office at the end of the day, before I got on the bus.

I grew up in a whole different world than we currently live in.

FPS
12-01-2012, 21:48
Butterfly knives aren't that bad. I had one at that age. I also had nun-chucks and a few Chinese stars along with a couple of throwing knives. Kids like that stuff. It doesn't mean he's going to go postal on the neighborhood.

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FPS
12-01-2012, 21:49
I grew up in a whole different world than we currently live in.

Absolutely. It's like another planet these days.

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8-Ball
12-01-2012, 22:16
I had one when I was around that age. Cut the **** out myself with it!

It was definitely not my first knife but it was the only one that I swung around like a mad man all the time. :supergrin:

robin303
12-01-2012, 22:45
Gun Shows next to that guy that sells jerky and clean your eye glasses.:supergrin:

jp3975
12-02-2012, 00:05
I carried a butterfly knife as a kid. Had it stolen at a youth meeting at my home. Kid bragged about taking it and I found out. Told mutual friends what I was going to do to him after i found him. He gave it to the youth director who gave it back to me. It was years until i saw him again. He was still a pos after he grew up. I worked with his gf and he abused her...then their newborn. After a little over a year she finally listened to me and others and i put her on a plane back to her folks.

At 17 i was pulled over and searched for a "rolling stop." Magnolia PD still have it i assume.

F14Scott
12-02-2012, 00:13
My 13-year-old asked for one for Christmas, too. I got him one of these, as well as a real pocket knife. I want to reinforce that knives aren't toys.

Amazon.com: FURY Butterfly Trainer Knife (Silver Matte Finish): Sports & Outdoors@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31ecAr8n0uL.@@AMEPARAM@@31ecAr8n0uL

goldenlight
12-02-2012, 01:19
Google: Benchmade. I wouldn't get a 13 year old kid a butterfly knife, regardless of how responsible he SEEMS.

This.

the next week it will be 'had to take my 13YO son to the ER...

He doesn't need a butterfly knife. It's NOT a toy.

goldenlight
12-02-2012, 01:58
Try this, and avoid a trip to the ER:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Powder-Coated-Dull-Blade-Practice-Balisong-Butterfly-Knife-Trainer-/380467968317?pt=Martial_Arts_Equipment&hash=item5895a8793d

Butterfly trainer: no knife blade inside, just a piece of dull metal.

That's GOT to be legal in NY, since it's not a knife.

BicycleDay43
12-02-2012, 03:19
$1500:wow::wow:


"You save $270!" :rofl:

Sent from the bridge of an Imperial Star Destroyer

Butcher
12-02-2012, 03:52
Balisong knives aren't legal in NY. Where did you get your information?


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Lone_Wolfe
12-02-2012, 03:55
Gun Shows next to that guy that sells jerky and clean your eye glasses.:supergrin:

Not all butterfly knives are pieces of crap. :wavey:

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff10/Lone_Wolfe_/Knives/29-Open.jpg

sappy13
12-02-2012, 07:02
When I was younger I would buy them at the local flea market. They were fun to flip around at first, but no practical use. I much prefer my Emerson commander any day of the week. We all wanted a butterfly knife after we saw the movie the outsiders in 8th grade.

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Annoyedgrunt
12-02-2012, 07:55
When I was younger I would buy them at the local flea market. They were fun to flip around at first, but no practical use. I much prefer my Emerson commander any day of the week. We all wanted a butterfly knife after we saw the movie the outsiders in 8th grade.


Or Falling Down. "You forgot your briefcase!!"


I have a Benchmade model that my mom bought me a while back for Christmas or a birthday (can't remember which). It looks a lot like this one:

http://www.benchmade.com/products/62

Only I hope she didn't pay $350 for it...:wow:

It's got very good steel; I can get it to shaving-sharp with no problem. I don't really ever use it for much, though, even when I first got it at around 18 or so. I just take it out and open it a few times, and put it away. Like others have said, it's not as practical as most of my other knives- Gerbers, Kershaws, Boker et al. I mainly keep it around because my mom gave it to me.

Drain You
12-02-2012, 08:37
I remember my older cousin use to win them every year from the crane games at the carnival. They didn't care how old you were either.

Oh wow, I just felt like one of those people that say how they use to order .22 rifles from the Sears book :rofl:

Rutha73
12-02-2012, 08:56
Get him a useful, yet not sharp one. http://http://www.knifecenter.com/item/XT32223/Fury-Bali-Song-BarFly-Butterfly-Bottle-Opener-Steel-Handles/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=feed :cool:

czsmithGT
12-02-2012, 11:35
Balisong knives aren't legal in NY. Where did you get your information?


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People v Zuniga, 303 AD2d 773, 759 NYS2d 86 (2d Dept 2003), the Appellate Division held that possessing a "butterfly knife" did not constitute a "gravity knife." The butterfly knife requires manual locking and thus does not come within the definition of "gravity knife".

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ny-supreme-court/1304713.html

czsmithGT
12-02-2012, 11:37
OK, short and sweet.

My 13 yo son came to me and asked how I would feel about him asking for a butterfly for Christmas. After talking it over with the wife, and having a conversation with him about reasons he would like one, I think I'm OK with it. He is a pretty responsible kid, and I've explained if it leaves the house for any reason other than fishing or camping, he will be dragged into the basement and beaten where the neighbors will not be able to hear the screams:whistling:.

I get that to a 13 yo they are pretty high with cool factor. So I checked, and they are legal to own in NY, but I may have a hard time finding places that will ship here. Nothing fancy, he's just going to flip it around till he breaks a pin out of it anyways..

It would be great if anyone knew an online knife store that accepted Paypal, as it just makes it easy to complete sales..

Thanks
Regards
HOTHEAD

Check to see if there is an age restriction in NY for the type of knife you get him. Could be 16 depending on the knife?

RonS
12-02-2012, 12:16
http://www2.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_store.html?usrsearch=butterfly

If you have to have one, I have bought from this company before. Several years ago but the price was good and they shipped promptly.

I would be reluctant to buy a teenager a butterfly knife myself, one fumble and you could be facing major surgery to put tendons back together with no guarantee of success.

That said, when I was a kid I had this switchblade lookalike and spent hours learning to flip it open and stick it in old piece of barn siding from 10 feet away. Got pretty good by the time I wore the hinge out.

jbutenhoff
12-02-2012, 12:21
People v Zuniga, 303 AD2d 773, 759 NYS2d 86 (2d Dept 2003), the Appellate Division held that possessing a "butterfly knife" did not constitute a "gravity knife." The butterfly knife requires manual locking and thus does not come within the definition of "gravity knife".

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ny-supreme-court/1304713.html

And how much $$$ would you be willing to spend on lawyers once the police arrest a 13 year old using the "legal" knife in their own backyard...

tehan2
12-02-2012, 12:21
if you want to order it and send it to my home, I'll mail it to you in NY....

having lived in Mass, I know how much it stinks to have companies not want to ship stuff to you

Butcher
12-02-2012, 12:33
Check to see if there is an age restriction in NY for the type of knife you get him. Could be 16 depending on the knife?

265.05 Unlawful possession of weapons by persons under sixteen.
It shall be unlawful for any person under the age of sixteen to
possess ... any knife ... .
A person who violates the provisions of this section shall be adjudged
a juvenile delinquent.



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Drjones
12-02-2012, 12:59
I really don't know man.....most bali's I've seen are pretty darn sharp. I think I own three; one BM42 (nice, like $140) and two cheapies.

Even the cheap ones are extremely sharp.

If he gets carried away trying to emulate what he sees on YouTube/movies (and he will) he's in for a serious wound.

Get him a trainer bali. These knives really aren't toys.

Kingarthurhk
12-02-2012, 13:02
OK, short and sweet.

My 13 yo son came to me and asked how I would feel about him asking for a butterfly for Christmas. After talking it over with the wife, and having a conversation with him about reasons he would like one, I think I'm OK with it. He is a pretty responsible kid, and I've explained if it leaves the house for any reason other than fishing or camping, he will be dragged into the basement and beaten where the neighbors will not be able to hear the screams:whistling:.

I get that to a 13 yo they are pretty high with cool factor. So I checked, and they are legal to own in NY, but I may have a hard time finding places that will ship here. Nothing fancy, he's just going to flip it around till he breaks a pin out of it anyways..

It would be great if anyone knew an online knife store that accepted Paypal, as it just makes it easy to complete sales..

Thanks
Regards
HOTHEAD

I've been on the wrong end of one of those, if someone knows what they are doing it can be an "interesting" experience to say the least. At any rate, I would suggest a gift of a box of band aids if you are going to go that route.

czsmithGT
12-02-2012, 13:26
And how much $$$ would you be willing to spend on lawyers once the police arrest a 13 year old using the "legal" knife in their own backyard...

I wouldn't spend anything because I wouldn't do it. Question was asked about the legality of such a knife in ny and I answered it. Why is that a problem for you? I never said it was legal in ny for a 13 year old to have any kind of knife in ny, did I?

Pima Pants
12-02-2012, 14:52
Please dull the blade on the butterfly knife with a file or stone while the young man practices with it. If he becomes proficient, then think about sharpening it. Please do not allow him to practice with a sharp knife.

g29andy
12-02-2012, 15:04
dangit, I had to click on one of the above links and browse a little

The BarFly (http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/XT32222/Fury-Bali-Song-BarFly-Butterfly-Bottle-Opener-Rainbow-Steel-Handles)

HOTHEAD
12-02-2012, 15:47
I completely understand the concerns and dangers. I also know at 13 I had a 3 wheeler and a. 22 and was gone from the house in the woods all the time. I have considered a trainer, but just wanted a little info.

I really see most of the things action being sitting on the couch or computer desk..
Also, aren't they designed to hold one specific handle and not cut your fingers?

RonS
12-02-2012, 15:59
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLRdNWbKR7g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij395vk0Zh0

He has to learn, when learning we make mistakes.

Mistakes with razor sharp knives are painful.

Mistakes with razor sharp knives moving very fast at the edge of control can be devastating. He is going to need his hands for the rest of his life.

If I were you AND I wanted to do this AND there are no legal barriers I would have a talk with him. He gets the knife and trainer. Only the trainer can be used for the fancy stuff. If he carries the knife fine, if he plays with it it is gone.

Pima Pants
12-02-2012, 16:22
Also, aren't they designed to hold one specific handle and not cut your fingers?

Yes, but much easier said than done. Some moves require you to get your fingers out of the way fast. If it was just a matter of holding the "safe" handle, there would be no need for trainer knives.

Kevin108
12-02-2012, 16:47
It was definitely not my first knife but it was the only one that I swung around like a mad man all the time. :supergrin:

:rofl: That level of honesty with yourself and others is just awesome!

Mr.Pliskin
12-03-2012, 08:14
I had one at 10. It was a fun knife and I thought I was a bad ass for being able to flip the thing around. For the basic getting the thing open move you just hold one handle and its almost impossible to cut your self.

It is a sad world out there. I never went to school without a knife clipped in my pocket. Now you would probably be arrested and expelled.

Kuroineko
12-03-2012, 08:44
For those concerned that they will cut themselves while learning to flip, place a strip or two of tape over the edge. That will keep any cuts from occurring and still have a useful knife when needed.

Lone_Wolfe
12-04-2012, 21:58
For those concerned that they will cut themselves while learning to flip, place a strip or two of tape over the edge. That will keep any cuts from occurring and still have a useful knife when needed.

Electrical tape is good for this.

EKUJustice
12-05-2012, 13:45
Get him a cheap one that is dull is hell or your gonna be paying when he cuts himself swinging it around