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larry_minn
12-02-2012, 12:58
I know everyone (who is anyone) saw it long ago. Well I saw it and have some questions. (maybe I missed something.)

The head BG "lets" Bond capture him (after shooting the girl in head) :( Because he wants to get his computer hooked up to MI-6. Reason? It seems to help hims ESCAPE FROM MI-6.??? I didn't see that helping him kill M (he failed then anyway)
So why plan for yrs, set everything up in assumption the IT guy would be so STUPID as to hook a unknown computer to main frame system. (My brother does some stuff, has a donor computer that he can whip, reload from disc, never risk anything)
And I realize M was injured. But allow guy to wave flashlight around???? (after leaving skyfall main house)

So why get captured? How could he time his escape to second for others to give him clothing/pistol/etc?

devildog2067
12-02-2012, 13:00
Answer to all of the above: it's a movie.

I thought the writing was pretty lazy as well, and there were a lot of plot holes, but in the end it's a movie my friend.

RonS
12-02-2012, 13:16
It's hard enough to get reality straight, I don't expect much from movies. Some skin, some explosions a good chase. I think a plot is a little much to ask.

LASTRESORT20
12-02-2012, 13:19
Spoilers ahead!

"8 Unanswered Questions We Had After Watching 'Skyfall' "

http://www.movies.com/movie-news/8-unanswered-questions-we-had-after-watching-39skyfall39/10257

g29andy
12-02-2012, 13:22
Not enough Bond girl, too much boy/boy innuendo, otherwise good Bond action flick. A long movie, but enough steady action to not seem so. See it in IMAX if you can.

Averageman
12-02-2012, 13:23
I think he wanted to confront M.
She made the decison to let him be captured and he wanted to show her the result of her decison and make her pay. It wasn't like he was stupid, just crazy as a ship house rat.
He was loyal o he like a Son to a Mother, in a sick kinda way.

devildog2067
12-02-2012, 13:30
Honestly, I thought that scene at the end where "the head bad guy" was holding his and M's heads together with a pistol to both of their temples was the most "false" scene of the whole movie. M's character would have pulled that trigger in a heartbeat if she could have taken him with her.

686Owner
12-02-2012, 13:31
I think he wanted to confront M.
She made the decison to let him be captured and he wanted to show her the result of her decison and make her pay. It wasn't like he was stupid, just crazy as a ship house rat.
He was loyal o he like a Son to a Mother, in a sick kinda way.

I think they stated that in the movie.


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winchester62
12-02-2012, 15:19
This movie was terrible. From the hacker stuff, to the bad guy getting all gay with Bond... From the ridiculous ending where M dies in the house/church battle, and new Q, M, and Moneypenny being introduced, this is only an attempt to sell the Bond franchise to the idiot youth of our country. I guess that is who spends money on movies, but it is definitely more assurance to me that Hollywood rarely produces anything worthy of my time. And the dumber our coming generations get, the more we normal, thinking humans won't be able to identify. The nearest theater to me is nearly 40 miles away. I don't mind at all.

RonS
12-02-2012, 15:44
I hate to say it, because it probably means my brain has finally rotted away but I kind of enjoyed it.

My take:

Judy Dench had to retire some time, giving her a warriors exit was classy compared to what happened to the former Q who died between movies as I recall. She got Jeff Coopers ideal death, mortally wounded in battle, victorious, with time to speak with her comrades and then die. She didn't get the last smoke or tipple however.

It was more in tune with the tenor of the books. The bad guy was bat **** crazy for one thing.

Moneypenny was hot.

On the other hand...

The obligatory sacrificial Bond girl was not hot.

Moneypenny getting all angsty and not taking the SECOND shot was stupid. Shoot 'till you lock back or the situation is resolved.

My daughter and I both cringed over the "hacking". They needed a consultant who has seen a computer somewhere besides his grandaughters dorm room.

The final scene with the gun to the head was pretty lame. I will wager that they tried several things and they didn't work on film, Bond sticking him in the back while he was talking etc. Not enough drama.

devildog2067
12-02-2012, 15:47
Moneypenny getting all angsty and not taking the SECOND shot was stupid. Shoot 'till you lock back or the situation is resolved.


This, right here, ruined the movie before it started.

Seriously--you have a whole damned mag in that AR carbine. Keep shooting!

devildog2067
12-02-2012, 15:50
On the other hand...

The obligatory sacrificial Bond girl was not hot.


Also:

1) Bérénice Marlohe is smokin' hot, what's wrong with you?

http://media1.santabanta.com/full1/Global%20Celebrities(F)/Berenice%20Marlohe/berenice-marlohe-1a.jpg

2) That whole thing grossed me out. Bond empathizing that this woman has been a sex slave since the age of 12, then not five minutes later slipping into her shower, was really creepy.

vart
12-02-2012, 16:21
Spoilers ahead!

"8 Unanswered Questions We Had After Watching 'Skyfall' "

http://www.movies.com/movie-news/8-unanswered-questions-we-had-after-watching-39skyfall39/10257


Thanks for the link; it was interesting...:wavey:

RonS
12-02-2012, 17:16
Her makup artist should have been shot. With a PPK so he/she would linger in pain for days.

I suppose it was true to the story, she was a washed up hooker trying to get out of the game.

Dennis in MA
12-02-2012, 18:00
Answer to all of the above: it's a movie.

I thought the writing was pretty lazy as well, and there were a lot of plot holes, but in the end it's a movie my friend.

This.

As soon as the wizzer hooked up the computer, I thought, "uh oh - I bet that's not an isolated terminal. This is a trap."

While I liked the flick, Bond as MacGyver was a bit weird.

Harper
12-02-2012, 18:55
I was disappointed. I really liked Casino Royale, thought Quantum lacked substance but not bad. Skyfall was getting great reviews so I was expecting greatness. Besides the weak plot in general, what really got me was the Home Alone type ending where he sets up traps around the house to foil the bad guys. It made no sense, their best solution was to lure the super villain with seemingly unlimited resources to an unsecured house to fight by themselves? It's suppose to be a mysterious, intriguing spy movie but they turned into just another dumbed down blow'em up movie with nostalgic references.
And why all the references to bond being old and outdated? The last movie was a direct continuation of the first movie where he just earned "double O" status. One day he's a rookie and the next he's a washed up geriatric?

tbone1970
12-02-2012, 19:26
my skyfall question is this...

in the beginning of the movie, the bad guy shoots bond in the shoulder (depleted uranium bullets, whatever) that becomes the evidence to track down the main bad guy. we see evidence of this shoulder wound throughout the movie.

BUT...

moneypenny shot bond and he fell off the train. WHERE did she shoot him? i never saw a wound/scar from her shot. obviously it wasnt a head shot, or its end-of-movie. i saw no evidence of a would anyplace else.

or am i missing something?

larry_minn
12-02-2012, 19:33
my skyfall question is this...

in the beginning of the movie, the bad guy shoots bond in the shoulder (depleted uranium bullets, whatever) that becomes the evidence to track down the main bad guy. we see evidence of this shoulder wound throughout the movie.

BUT...

moneypenny shot bond and he fell off the train. WHERE did she shoot him? i never saw a wound/scar from her shot. obviously it wasnt a head shot, or its end-of-movie. i saw no evidence of a would anyplace else.

or am i missing something?
She shot him in lower chest. IIRC he had a rib broke, some other damage talked about.

nmstew
12-02-2012, 19:55
moneypenny shot bond and he fell off the train. WHERE did she shoot him? i never saw a wound/scar from her shot. obviously it wasnt a head shot, or its end-of-movie. i saw no evidence of a would anyplace else.

or am i missing something?

Right upper quadrant. Remember the scene where he digs the bullet fragments out and asks the forensics guys to analyze them? I think they also show the scar in the Chinese hotel during the shaving scene.

larry_minn
12-02-2012, 20:04
Right upper quadrant. Remember the scene where he digs the bullet fragments out and asks the forensics guys to analyze them? I think they also show the scar in the Chinese hotel during the shaving scene.

I don't recall it that way. My memory is the BG fired a full auto burst (with pistol) that bounced off track how bucket. That is shrapnal that hit his shoulder. The 5.56 bullet was lower down/thru and thru.

SouthpawG26
12-02-2012, 21:00
Why did Bond and M run off to the Skyfall house?

With just an old man with a side by side and a knife to help out? Knowing that the BGs were coming?

Why not speed off to, oh I dunno, Royal SAS HQ?

10mm Sonny
12-02-2012, 23:22
Why not speed off to, oh I dunno, Royal SAS HQ?

Because Royal SAS HQ would have been a lame movie title.

skew12
12-03-2012, 00:12
Spoilers ahead!

"8 Unanswered Questions We Had After Watching 'Skyfall' "

http://www.movies.com/movie-news/8-unanswered-questions-we-had-after-watching-39skyfall39/10257



Those questions suck. Not much to figure out. Hell I thought everyone recognized the car bond won in Casino Royale???

devildog2067
12-03-2012, 00:21
I suppose it was true to the story, she was a washed up hooker trying to get out of the game.

You didn't feel sorry for her? I did. It took me right out of the movie, once I started thinking abut how horrible child sex trafficking is. It made me sympathize with this woman who just wanted to a) survive and b) not have to pay her way through life by having sex any longer, and then Bond uses her and then she gets shot. I prefer my cartoon movie villains and victims to remain flat and cartoonish.

jason10mm
12-03-2012, 07:59
I think they were definitely smart to not have Sean Connery as the "groundskeeper" for whatever the hell that old man was.

Connery would have *****slapped Craig, called him a filthy ladyboy, rogered M, and then taken out all of the bad guys with a shiv made from a can of Heinekin.

And he would have done it all wearing a kilt and rolex :)

Dennis in MA
12-03-2012, 09:50
Why did Bond and M run off to the Skyfall house?

With just an old man with a side by side and a knife to help out? Knowing that the BGs were coming?

Why not speed off to, oh I dunno, Royal SAS HQ?

Because they knew that the attack would be commensurate with the location. Hit SAS? Come with an atom bomb. Hit some old castle in Scotland - come with only about 39234 guys and no large weapons save the helicopter.

The trap was always to look as they were running, not setting a trap. Hard to do that with SAS.

But I still agree - the whole "setting traps" thing isn't very Bond. Neither is blowing up your OWN stuff. Doesn't Bond usually go to YOUR AO and blow YOUR s-word up? LOL