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glock2740
12-05-2012, 12:23
I joined SigFTW and landed one of the new Rock Island 10mm's. :cool: CTD's ordering process was a PITA but it's done and the order is processed. Can't wait to see this baby. Ordered some ammo from Underwood too boot. My first time dealing with Underwood and was very pleased. Seems like a quality operation. Pics and range report to follow sometime after the gun lands. :supergrin:

Some website pics, but it won't look like this for long...:whistling::cool:
http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/GUN-51918.jpg


http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/RIA10mm.jpg

SigFTW
12-05-2012, 12:53
I joined SigFTW and landed one of the new Rock Island 10mm's. :cool: CTD's ordering process was a PITA but it's done and the order is processed. Can't wait to see this baby. Order some ammo from Underwood too boot. My first time dealing with Underwood and was very pleased. Seems like a quality operation. Pics and range report to follow sometime after the gun lands. :supergrin:

Some website pics, but it won't look like this for long...:whistling::cool:


Contrasts!!!!! I was thinking about buying some Underwood for self-defense rounds, let me know how you like the round.

You can't leave guns stock can you:tongueout: just don't refinish it pink:tongueout:

glock2740
12-05-2012, 13:09
Contrasts!!!!! I was thinking about buying some Underwood for self-defense rounds, let me know how you like the round.

You can't leave guns stock can you:tongueout: just don't refinish it pink:tongueout:
The guy at Underwood said it was comparable, but in his opinion, just a tad hotter than Double Tap. And no, not too many guns I leave as is. :cool:

faawrenchbndr
12-05-2012, 13:51
Sweet,.....does it have an appointment with Chris at Metaloy yet? :rofl:

glock2740
12-05-2012, 14:06
Sweet,.....does it have an appointment with Chris at Metaloy yet? :rofl:
You know it. :cool:

glock2740
12-06-2012, 07:59
After more looking at range reports and reviews on these, on other forums, I called CTD this morning and cancelled my order. Every review has feeding issues and several complain about poorly fit and made parts. I had already planned on spending money on it to make it look better, but am not willing to start spending money to make it run right. CTD did say that they are not a special run gun, so maybe after Armscor gets the bugs worked out, I'll pick one up. LOVE the idea of a bull barrelled 1911 in 10mm, and for a decent price, but between getting it to run right and look the way I want, I could end up having close to 2K in it. I may have acted too fast, but after I see better reviews, I can always change my mind...again.

SigFTW
12-06-2012, 08:27
After more looking at range reports and reviews on these, on other forums, I called CTD this morning and cancelled my order. Every review has feeding issues and several complain about poorly fit and made parts. I had already planned on spending money on it to make it look better, but am not willing to start spending money to make it run right. CTD did say that they are not a special run gun, so maybe after Armscor gets the bugs worked out, I'll pick one up. LOVE the idea of a bull barrelled 1911 in 10mm, and for a decent price, but between getting it to run right and look the way I want, I could end up having close to 2K in it. I may have acted too fast, but after I see better reviews, I can always change my mind...again.

For what you wanted to do I would wait also until they run 100%. I will tinker with mine and should get it 100% with some minor mods.

intecooler
12-06-2012, 14:01
I hope they don't get a bad rap before really getting out. Here is the reasoning.

I have several 10mm's and most have ran fine right out of the box. All except my most expensive one... Dan Wesson Razoback 1911. First time I took it to the range it locked up solid into the first magazine. No amount of hitting on it would free it! I had to strip it down and hand work it with heavy grease and a rubber mallet to get it going. Litterly that day though I wanted to throw it down the range and cussed up a storm!
Next visit it ran like a top and after changing to the 22lb spring it is the most accurate 10mm I own plus runs anything. The feed ramp looks a little rough so it appears it needs some polish and rounding of rough spots. It's been stated it's undersprung (anyone find out what it comes with?). I bet with a little work this one will prove out just fine. Keep in mind 10mm's are extremely fast slide velocity and will need some tweaking. A good test to see where they are is Remington 180gr and from there move to Underwood or PBR when they test out with a spring.

faawrenchbndr
12-06-2012, 14:15
Cheap 1911s can be a PITA if they do not run properly out of the box.
Ya can't drink champagne on a beer budget!

glock2740
12-06-2012, 14:26
Just for the record, I don't want anyone to think I am poo pooing the Rock 10. I had custom plans, that were mostly cosmetic and did not want to risk getting too much money tied up in this gun to get it running right, just in case it didn't. Nothing major has been said as to these being problem guns. I have a few irons in the fire right now, gun/project wise and had set a budget on this gun that I really didn't want to exceed. If they prove to be fine, which I am sure they will, then I will jump back on board and proceed with the original plan. My other RIA's have been great guns, especially for the money and this gun, IMO, is the coolest 1911 I've seen come out from them.

faawrenchbndr
12-06-2012, 14:39
I think everyone realizes that Joe,........give them six months or so,
The bugs should be worked out by then.

MD357
12-06-2012, 14:44
I'll be surprised if RIA sits down and takes the time to figure out the timing on these and makes the appropriate changes. You get what you pay for, which won't matter to someone that doesn't mind switching out a few springs and a FPS.

intecooler
12-06-2012, 14:44
Joe,

How about when you buy Champagne like I did and right out of the box it's a paper-weight?

To pass judgement on a pistol that just come out, is tight and maybe a little rough around the edges is nuts. It's not going to be a $1000 plus 1911 but can possibly be a great shooter with a little work. If all it needs is some feed ramp work and a spring plus break-in... hell of a deal!

SigFTW
12-06-2012, 15:03
Just got off the phone with a RIA Gun smith, he is the main 10mm GS, very nice fellow. The 10mm CTD is an early(CTD only) release production, he said what I have is a 2013 production model. These will be release next year.

I talked to him about the 2 FTFs and how the spring feels too light. He said the 10mm comes with a 14lb recoil spring and should not need anything heavier unless you are shooting stout loads, he also said the 10mm can handle +p loads. I gave him my load data and he recommended the wolf 16lb recoil spring. He said that he did experiment with a wolf 16 lb recoil spring and it worked fine but for lower loads it could cause some issues. He feels that this should take care of my issue and will mail me a 16lb wolf spring for free. What a nice guy.

I'll keep you posted when it comes in.:supergrin:

glock2740
12-06-2012, 15:31
Joe,

How about when you buy Champagne like I did and right out of the box it's a paper-weight?

To pass judgement on a pistol that just come out, is tight and maybe a little rough around the edges is nuts. It's not going to be a $1000 plus 1911 but can possibly be a great shooter with a little work. If all it needs is some feed ramp work and a spring plus break-in... hell of a deal!
I don't guess you read my post above. I know what a Rock Island is. And I don't expect perfection out of the box with one. I have explained, in pretty good detail, or so I thought, what my intentions for this gun were. And that I did not want to take a chance on having to spend any extra money on getting it to run right, should that need arise. These are new for Armscor and I think that buying one later on down the road will work better for MY intentions and purposes. I agree with you that they are a hell of a deal. Why do you think I ordered one within days of them becoming available?

Gary1911A1
12-06-2012, 16:25
Just got off the phone with a RIA Gun smith, he is the main 10mm GS, very nice fellow. The 10mm CTD is an early(CTD only) release production, he said what I have is a 2013 production model. These will be release next year.

I talked to him about the 2 FTFs and how the spring feels too light. He said the 10mm comes with a 14lb recoil spring and should not need anything heavier unless you are shooting stout loads, he also said the 10mm can handle +p loads. I gave him my load data and he recommended the wolf 16lb recoil spring. He said that he did experiment with a wolf 16 lb recoil spring and it worked fine but for lower loads it could cause some issues. He feels that this should take care of my issue and will mail me a 16lb wolf spring for free. What a nice guy.

I'll keep you posted when it comes in.:supergrin:

I don't know, but 14 lbs seem light to me even if it has a bull barrel to slow unlocking. Maybe he thought you were talking about the 9MM as 14 lbs would be right for it.

faawrenchbndr
12-06-2012, 16:33
Seems all the other 10mm manufacturers use between 20 & 24
pound springs.
Sounds like RIA has their head up their ***!

SigFTW
12-06-2012, 16:48
I don't know, but 14 lbs seem light to me even if it has a bull barrel to slow unlocking. Maybe he thought you were talking about the 9MM as 14 lbs would be right for it.

We where talking about the 10mm because I question him about the spring being too light, that's when he said he had experimented with the 14 and 16lb springs on the new RIA 10mm and the 14lb would work great for low pressure target loads. There is no reason in my mind to shoot a 10mm with bunny fart loads, I would just go back to a 40 cal for that:faint:.The 10mm is designed for 1000+fps depending on the bullet gr.

It would be like having a corvette with a 125hp motor:tongueout:

SigFTW
12-06-2012, 17:01
Seems all the other 10mm manufacturers use between 20 & 24
pound springs.
Sounds like RIA has their head up their ***!

I think they don't fully understand the power of the10mm :dunno: however, they are willing to help fix the issue. I will try the 16lb and see how it runs before I go any heaver. If I do need to go heavier I'll call them back up.

You can drink beer on a champagne budget and it doesn't bother you when you spill it:tongueout:

glock2740
12-06-2012, 17:07
There is no reason in my mind to shoot a 10mm with bunny fart loads, I would just go back to a 40 cal for that:faint:.The 10mm is designed for 1000+fps depending on the bullet gr.

It would be like having a corvette with a 125hp motor:tongueout:
:rofl: Good one. :cool:

glock2740
12-06-2012, 17:11
Seems all the other 10mm manufacturers use between 20 & 24
pound springs.
Sounds like RIA has their head up their ***!
'Tis the season and 'tis the reason I pulled my order. I like Armscor and they will work these bugs out. And as soon as they get it straightened out, to where I don't have to experiment on my own, with trial and error and waste my time, as well as my money, on ammo and springs and whatnot, which is their job to do in the first place, then I'll order another one. :cool:

intecooler
12-06-2012, 19:01
Feed ramp and springs usually and rightfully fall on the shooter. RIA should have put a 20lb minimum in there like others and 16 is still way light. I have 22lb springs in all mine and they shoot it all just fine.

If someone buys it with intentions of turning it into something it isn't bad move. Buy the one that IS THAT from jump. The cost is going to be about the same.

glock2740
12-06-2012, 19:20
If someone buys it with intentions of turning it into something it isn't bad move. Buy the one that IS THAT from jump. The cost is going to be about the same.
How 'bout you do your thing and I'll do mine. I customize most of my guns to MY liking.

intecooler
12-06-2012, 19:30
I did/done already have but I don't complain about those things. I don't buy a lower end model and then complain about changing things to get it there. It's like buying a Delta Elite knowing the barrel needs changed to run strong 10mm in it then complaining. Just get the one with the good barrel out of the box. Just my .003.

glock2740
12-06-2012, 19:40
I did/done already have but I don't complain about those things. I don't buy a lower end model and then complain about changing things to get it there. It's like buying a Delta Elite knowing the barrel needs changed to run strong 10mm in it then complaining. Just get the one with the good barrel out of the box. Just my .003.
I want you to try and point out where I've "complained" about anything. Your "point", if that's what you are attempting to make, is worth about .003. So, you're saying that taking a cheap 1911, like a RIA, SA GI/Mil-Spec, etc., and building them up/customizing, whatever you want to call is "complaining"? :rofl:You got a LOT to learn and a LOOOONG way to go.

SigFTW
12-06-2012, 20:13
I want you to try and point out where I've "complained" about anything. Your "point", if that's what you are attempting to make, is worth about .003. So, you're saying that taking a cheap 1911, like a RIA, SA GI/Mil-Spec, etc., and building them up/customizing, whatever you want to call is "complaining"? :rofl:You got a LOT to learn and a LOOOONG way to go.


I did not see any complaining from you Joe. I completely understand where you are coming from. :thumbsup:

I did start filing down the edge on the barrel, just enough to knock down the sharp corner. This will make for a smother loading.:supergrin:

glock2740
12-06-2012, 20:21
Cool deal. Can't wait to hear how it shoots with some hot loads. :cool:

intecooler
12-06-2012, 20:30
It is if you are talking about the build yes. I think you are the same one talking about having 2k in parts to make it run right. I highly doubt it would take that much but money better spent if a 1911 10mm is what you want with a build that runs right can be had for $1000. You cancelled though right? Adding lights, accs and stuff no, that's normal user stuff.

Don't think I have much to learn about 10mm's. Have been messing with them a long while now and understand the firearms and round itself.

EAA Hunter Lonslide, S&W 1006, EAA Elite Match and Dan Wesson Razorback.

glock2740
12-06-2012, 20:39
It is if you are talking about the build yes. I think you are the same one talking about having 2k in parts to make it run right. I highly doubt it would take that much but money better spent if a 1911 10mm is what you want with a build that runs right can be had for $1000. You cancelled though right? Adding lights, accs and stuff no, that's normal user stuff.

Don't think I have much to learn about 10mm's. Have been messing with them a long while now and understand the firearms and round itself.

EAA Hunter Lonslide, S&W 1006, EAA Elite Match and Dan Wesson Razorback.
You obviously haven't read a single word I've written. Your entire post is made up of jibberish and really makes you look quite foolish. Maybe you should quit while you're behind. :upeyes: BTW, that Razorback might make for a decent base gun build. The others...while 10mm's, aren't 1911's. So why drag them into this thread? I own a G20 and G29. Does that have anything to do with this thread? :dunno:

glock2740
12-06-2012, 20:42
Since this thread has lost all usefullness, I request that the mods lock it up. Thanks. :wavey:

intecooler
12-06-2012, 20:51
Hope you get your RIA up to your standards. Take care.

MD357
12-06-2012, 22:22
Seems all the other 10mm manufacturers use between 20 & 24
pound springs.
Sounds like RIA has their head up their ***!

It's like a comedy of errors here.....

If someone told me to run a 14lb spring in a 10mm I would immediately know they are absolutely clueless. Kinda scary that RIA is giving out this advice.

intecooler
12-06-2012, 22:45
I did but it was an 11lb spring with the top 10mm out there :wow:

Made no difference for the purpose of my test.

http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo/new-test-full-power-10mm-with-spring-swaps/

bac1023
12-07-2012, 00:15
Very cool, Joe

Congrats! :cool:

SigFTW
12-07-2012, 07:03
It's like a comedy of errors here.....

If someone told me to run a 14lb spring in a 10mm I would immediately know they are absolutely clueless. Kinda scary that RIA is giving out this advice.

Can't argue with that statement and did not have enough experience with the 1911 10mm to argue with him on what # spring was needed, I just knew that the spring it came with was not enough.

This is my first 1911 10mm, and my third 10mml, the other two are S&W 1006. So I'm still learning about the 1911 10mm. The 1006 is a tank and can handle HOT loads and never needed tweaking, both ran 100% out the box!

So, the consensus I am seeing is that it should be around 20lbs spring minimum? If so, I'll buy a heavier spring.

MD357
12-07-2012, 07:22
Can't argue with that statement and did not have enough experience with the 1911 10mm to argue with him on what # spring was needed, I just knew that the spring it came with was not enough.

This is my first 1911 10mm, and my third 10mml, the other two are S&W 1006. So I'm still learning about the 1911 10mm. The 1006 is a tank and can handle HOT loads and never needed tweaking, both ran 100% out the box!

So, the consensus I am seeing is that it should be around 20lbs spring minimum? If so, I'll buy a heavier spring.

You can get away with ~18lb, but I' probably start with 20lb and go up from there, maybe see where your at each increment. Personally if it were me, I'd be looking to play with mainsprings and throw in that flat EGW FPS stop as well.

faawrenchbndr
12-07-2012, 07:23
If it were me, to save a bit of shipping costs, I'd buy a 20, 21, & 23#
The Delta Elite runs a 23#, the bull barrel is not going to slow
the slide much.
If you had a squared firing pin stop you could
lower the spring pressure a few pounds. However the squared
fps placed a bit more wear on the hammer & pin. I prefer to
tune with springs for the load at hand.

SigFTW
12-07-2012, 07:35
If it were me, to save a bit of shipping costs, I'd buy a 20, 21, & 23#
The Delta Elite runs a 23#, the bull barrel is not going to slow
the slide much.
If you had a squared firing pin stop you could
lower the spring pressure a few pounds. However the squared
fps placed a bit more wear on the hammer & pin. I prefer to
tune with springs for the load at hand.

Good ideal! I'll buy the 3 springs and see which one works with my loads. Thanks for the help!

SigFTW
12-07-2012, 08:41
You can get away with ~18lb, but I' probably start with 20lb and go up from there, maybe see where your at each increment. Personally if it were me, I'd be looking to play with mainsprings and throw in that flat EGW FPS stop as well.

I'll look into the EGW FPS also, thanks for the advice!

I know once I get the right spring down it will run 100%.

intecooler
12-07-2012, 10:55
Is it a series 70 or 80?

SigFTW
12-08-2012, 09:00
Is it a series 70 or 80?

Sorry for the late response,it's a series 70.

4949shooter
12-08-2012, 09:46
Tagged for results of the spring change.

mr.scott
12-08-2012, 21:12
Handled one at Cheaperthandirt in McKinney and it wouldn't lock back the slide consistently when pulling slide back with mag in it. Also, they still use the crappy unbeveled ambi safety.

Ruggles
12-08-2012, 22:59
I took some pics at the range the other day of a guy with a 1911 in 10mm, not sure of his group size but it functioned fine.

http://i45.tinypic.com/mmcv0n.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/2emkebn.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/255nvpc.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/331lj05.jpg

I left after these 4 rounds, the heat was getting to me. :)

glock2740
12-08-2012, 23:15
http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/More%20pics/10mm-1.jpg


And the old classic...:cool:
http://i963.photobucket.com/albums/ae114/glock2740/calibers.jpg

Ruggles
12-08-2012, 23:24
http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/More%20pics/10mm-1.jpg


And the old classic...:cool:
http://i963.photobucket.com/albums/ae114/glock2740/calibers.jpg

:rofl:

Funny stuff, love the .40S&W one

4949shooter
12-09-2012, 03:49
The 9mm is good too!

cowboywannabe
12-09-2012, 04:31
20 pound recoil spring seems to be standard for 5" 1911s, why this wasnt issued with your RIA is beyond me. its an easy enough fix though for cheap.

maybe they figure on folks using the watered down federal, remington, cci stuff, mistaking that for real 10mm ammo.

4949shooter
12-09-2012, 04:33
20 pound recoil spring seems to be standard for 5" 1911s, why this wasnt issued with your RIA is beyond me. its an easy enough fix though for cheap.

I sm thinking what the others have suggested, that RIA doesn't have a whole lot of experience with 10mm.

Even Colt had issues at first with their Delta Elite (as you know).

cowboywannabe
12-09-2012, 04:39
I sm thinking what the others have suggested, that RIA doesn't have a whole lot of experience with 10mm.

Even Colt had issues at first with their Delta Elite (as you know).

i figured this was common knowledge in the gun making community....5" 1911 10mm needs a 20 pound spring at least....im just the layman and i knew it.

however, the 10mm is a uniquely American cartridge and

cowboywannabe
12-09-2012, 04:39
I sm thinking what the others have suggested, that RIA doesn't have a whole lot of experience with 10mm.

Even Colt had issues at first with their Delta Elite (as you know).

i figured this was common knowledge in the gun making community....5" 1911 10mm needs a 20 pound spring at least....im just the layman and i knew it.

however, the 10mm is a uniquely American cartridge and RIA ia filipino so maybe they just dont know much about it.

i put an 18.5 pound spring in my RIA .45 gi model, the 16 pounder just seemed a little weak to me.

Gary1911A1
12-09-2012, 05:04
I sm thinking what the others have suggested, that RIA doesn't have a whole lot of experience with 10mm.

Even Colt had issues at first with their Delta Elite (as you know).

RIA doesn't seem to be the only one. The EAA Witness 10MM also come out of the box with a weaker recoil spring than what is needed. I get the impression they just use the same recoil spring in all models.

4949shooter
12-09-2012, 05:09
RIA doesn't seem to be the only one. The EAA Witness 10MM also come out of the box with a weaker recoil spring than what is needed. I get the impression they just use the same recoil spring in all models.

Probably so. Even Glock uses the same recoil spring in the G20 as they do in their .45 cal G21. Though, the G20 slide is beefed up compared to the G21 slide.

cowboywannabe
12-09-2012, 05:16
Probably so. Even Glock uses the same recoil spring in the G20 as they do in their .45 cal G21. Though, the G20 slide is beefed up compared to the G21 slide.

isnt the standard recoil spring for a (1911).45acp 16 pounds? that being a known, why on earth would they use a 14 pounder for the 10mm?

either way, if and when i buy one of these RIA 10mm i will install the proper spring before i fire a shot.

SigFTW
12-09-2012, 14:15
A repost from my 10mm threat:

I talked to the gunsmith at RIA again and he insist that a heavier spring, heavier than 16# would not work in the RIA 1911 10mm, He tried that out himself. I asked about the Colt Delta Elite 10mm using a 20+lb spring and he said because they had feed issues. He also said to add a shock buffer by WC, this will help.

The only was to verify the claim by the RIA 10mm GS is to put it through the test. I will let y'all know what I find out when the springs come in. The 16# will be here Monday or Tuesday, I'll order a 20 and 21lb Monday.

4949shooter
12-09-2012, 17:46
isnt the standard recoil spring for a (1911).45acp 16 pounds? that being a known, why on earth would they use a 14 pounder for the 10mm?



I guess what I was trying to say was that the Glock 20 slide is beefed up compared the the G21 slide, which enables Glock to use the same poundage on the recoil spring.

cowboywannabe
12-09-2012, 18:12
I guess what I was trying to say was that the Glock 20 slide is beefed up compared the the G21 slide, which enables Glock to use the same poundage on the recoil spring.

you were clear, i knew what you meant. i was just opining on the 1911 theory. the only differences im hearing about are the bull bbl instead of standard bbl and bushing....

4949shooter
12-09-2012, 18:13
you were clear, i knew what you meant. i was just opining on the 1911 theory. the only differences im hearing about are the bull bbl instead of standard bbl and bushing....

I agree that 14 pound spring sounds too weak for anything in a 1911, except maybe a 9mm.