UK: Mother beat 7 y.o son to death for failing to learn the Koran by heart

[Zombie Surgeon]

Link here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9726107/Mother-beat-son-to-death-for-failing-to-learn-the-Koran-by-heart.html)

A British mother who beat her 7-year-old son to death after he failed to memorize excerpts from the Koran was found guilty of murder. Sara Ege, 33, was convicted of beating her son Yaseen to death with a stick at their home in Wales, then burning his body to hide evidence. Police originally thought Yaseen died in a house fire. [...]
Ege reportedly confessed to police that she beat her son because he had not learned the Koran.
"I was getting all this bad stuff in my head, like I couldn't concentrate," Ege reportedly told authorities. "I was getting very wild and I hit Yaseen with a stick on his back like a dog."
That "bad stuff" in your head is called Islam. Islam is a religion focused on self gratification and self redemption. Being the parent of a "Hafiz" - one who memorizes the Qur'an - brings great prestige within the Muslim community. Ege admitted (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2243558/Mother-facing-life-sentence-murdering-son-set-failing-learn-Koran.html) it was that 'Honor' she sought in forcing her child to learn the Qur'an.


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02419/Sara-Ege_2419793b.jpg

[fnfalman]

Gotta love organized religions.

[cesaros]

Unfortunate that the child had to have such a nut job for a mother...

I know plenty of "christian" parents who borderline abuse their kids over similar things

Religion sure does bring out the worst in people some times.

[.264 magnum]

Unfortunate that the child had to have such a nut job for a mother...

I know plenty of "christian" parents who borderline abuse their kids over similar things

Religion sure does bring out the worst in people some times.

Borderline abuse is not the same as killing your kid with a stick.

[cesaros]

Borderline abuse is not the same as killing your kid with a stick.

thanks for clearing that up for me

lets not get defensive because someone mentioned Christianity without positive reviews :rofl:

[Zombie Surgeon]

Gotta love organized religions.

So you think atheists make better parents?

:whistling:

[fnfalman]

So you think atheists make better parents?

:whistling:

One thing for sure, they wouldn't beat their children (to death in this case) because their children can't remember the scripture.

[Dennis in MA]

So you think atheists make better parents?

:whistling:

Yes. They beat them with sticks for no reason at all. :rofl:

[Dennis in MA]

Let's be clear, here:

This woman didn't beat her kid because of Muslimism or Jewishism or Jesusism. If she had none of these, she would have done it for McDonaldsism or Harrodsism or Beiberism. Sick is as sick does. Blaming a religion for it isn't the point.

Full disclosure: I'd like to be impartial, but I hate Beiberists.

[Henry Kane]

Gotta love organized religions.

I'd be interested in seeing numbers on which organized religions are most responsible for bloodshed over the last say...hundred years?

We could just equate such fundamentalism to "organized religion" as a whole, but this would be akin to say...grouping all gun owners together based on the misdeeds of an irresponsible percentage.

So yeah, numbers would be interesting.

[fnfalman]

I'd be interested in seeing numbers on which organized religions are most responsible for bloodshed over the last say...hundred years?

Me too. Gott mit uns.

We could just equate such fundamentalism to "organized religion" as a whole, but this would be akin to say...grouping all gun owners together based on the misdeeds of an irresponsible percentage.

So yeah, numbers would be interesting.

Indeed.

[camelotkid]

So you think atheists make better parents?

:whistling:
yep:whistling:

[Zombie Surgeon]

One thing for sure, they wouldn't beat their children (to death in this case) because their children can't remember the scripture.

Finnish atheist opens fire, kills 8 children (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11/07/school.shooting/index.html)

If you are a proud atheist please remember that in the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people.

[fnfalman]

Finnish atheist opens fire, kills 8 children (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11/07/school.shooting/index.html)

But he didn't beat his children to death.

If you are a proud atheist please remember that in the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people.

First of all, Adolf Hitler was a Christian. Secondly, you're proud of the fact that the Conquistadores, the Spanish Inquisitors and the witch burners had killed less people than the commies?

[ArrowJ]

Religion sure does bring out the worst in people some times.

Also the best.

[The Machinist]

Islam is a vile cult of death, and should be eradicated from the planet.

[.264 magnum]

thanks for clearing that up for me

lets not get defensive because someone mentioned Christianity without positive reviews :rofl:


I'm an atheist.

It's tiresome to see some, with intent or not, argue moral equivalency between Christians and old world Muslims.

[fnfalman]

Islam is a vile cult of death, and should be eradicated from the planet.

As far as I'm concerned, any religion that advocates violence visited upon non-believers should be eridacated from the face of this Earth.

[Phaze5ive]

Mother beat 7 year-old son to death for failing to learn the Bible.

Las Vegas, December 5, 2012:

http://www.inquisitr.com/425970/parents-beat-son-to-death-over-bible-homework/

Yea, only Muslims do it... :upeyes:

[.264 magnum]

Let's be clear, here:

This woman didn't beat her kid because of Muslimism or Jewishism or Jesusism. If she had none of these, she would have done it for McDonaldsism or Harrodsism or Beiberism. Sick is as sick does. Blaming a religion for it isn't the point.

Full disclosure: I'd like to be impartial, but I hate Beiberists.

Wait what?

[fnfalman]

I'm an atheist.

It's tiresome to see some, with intent or not, argue moral equivalency between Christians and old world Muslims.

Sorry, but I call it the way I see it. Both of their religions worship the One God. Both of their religions advocate violence on non-believers.

[fnfalman]

Mother beat 7 year-old son for failing to learn the Bible.

Las Vegas, December 5, 2012:

http://www.inquisitr.com/425970/parents-beat-son-to-death-over-bible-homework/

Yea, only Muslims do it... :upeyes:

But she didn't kill the kid, so it's OK. Islam is bad and Christianity is good.

[Carrys]

Gotta love organized religions.

Things like this have nothing to do with religion....organized or otherwise.


They have everything to do with the desires and failures of a person who is using said religion for an excuse, that's all.




One thing for sure, they wouldn't beat their children (to death in this case) because their children can't remember the scripture.

So......ya mean if it was because they couldn't remember their Driver's License, kindergarten seating chart, home street address or some such nonsense........ that would make things all better?


A mean/bully/myopic person is just that.......one who is apt to harm another at the drop of a hat, period.

[.264 magnum]

Sorry, but I call it the way I see it. Both of their religions worship the One God. Both of their religions advocate violence on non-believers.


Both have warts.

One wants to enslave you and me or kill us. The other does not.

[Carrys]

Both of their religions advocate violence on non-believers.


Maybe.........................but which is the one where it's followers do it on a somewhat regular basis, eh?








Don't worry, I'll just pray for ya instead, 'k?:wavey:

No shame in being a non beliver, I suppose. One is supposed to believe as they wish. Though, I find it surprising that most every non believer I know, always..............and I mean always, has to belittle the belief in any religion to make themselves feel comfortable.

Wonder why that is?:dunno:





I suspect I know why.

[Sharkey]

Things like this have nothing to do with religion....organized or otherwise.


They have everything to do with the desires and failures of a person who is using said religion for an excuse, that's all.


A mean/bully/myopic person is just that.......one who is apt to harm another at the drop of a hat, period.

Hey, stop making sense.
It's a lot better here in GNG or RI if we could just continue to demonize all forms of religion especially Christianity. I'm guessing the Atheists would demonize Islam more if they actually lived under Sharia law. :whistling:

[BradD]

Sorry, but I call it the way I see it. Both of their religions worship the One God. Both of their religions advocate violence on non-believers.
Can you provide a reference in the Bible that, correctly interpreted, would lead a Christian to commit violence against non-believers, or anyone else for that matter? I honestly can't think of a single one, but maybe I'm missing something.

Note that we are under the New Covenant now--see Galatians, Hebrews, etc.--and no Jewish theocracy is in place. Therefore, Israelite judicial laws (e.g. stone people who are doing x, y, or z) are not in place, and never will be, if I'm reading the Bible correctly.

Even in the book of Revelation, where lots of people are killed, Christians aren't the ones doing it; many of them end up being killed. Forces other than human Christians kill non-believers.

If anything, I would expect more GTers to criticize the NT for requiring that Christians be too passive and submissive. I'm thinking of Romans 13, 1 Peter 2:13, and a few others.

[Zombie Surgeon]

But he didn't beat his children to death.

Does it matter?
Jeffrey Dahmer rings a bell?
How about Jim Jones?
Both atheists, both mass murderers.



First of all, Adolf Hitler was a Christian. Hitler a Christian? Congratulations for winning the Glocktalk's stupidest post of the month!
While Hitler was born Catholic, he was explicit in rejecting Christian religion, calling it "the Jewish Christ-creed with its effeminate, pity-ethics".
He closed religious schools, shut down Christian organizations, ordered the murder of priests, not to mention the German leader of Catholic Action. He had Christian civil servants fired, he confiscated church property, censored religious newspapers and sent thousands of Catholic priests, nuns, and laypeople to die in extermination camps.
Hitler's secretary, Martin Bormann, also declared that "National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable" and Hitler didn't squawk too much about it. Similarly, Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." In addition, Hitler made plans to kill the Pope, declared Nazism the state religion and the Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools.

Secondly, you're proud of the fact that the Conquistadores, the Spanish Inquisitors and the witch burners had killed less people than the commies?Conquistadors didn't killed in the name of their religion. They killed to plunder. Since we are talking about the Spanish colonization of the Americas, do yourself a favor and read a book or two about the Spanish Missions. With few exceptions of abuse caused by drunken of greedy Spanish soldiers tasked with defending the missions the influence of the Catholic monks was positive. The monks opened hospitals and cared for the sick, taught natives them how to read and write, taught them how to cultivate crops of wheat, fruits, vegetables, raise horses and burros and started ranching as an occupation.

the Spanish Inquisitors and the witch burners had killed less people than the commies?Another stupid claim. But it's not your fault, it's the fault of the American public indoctrination...err...education system.
FYI: the Catholic institution of Spanish Inquisition lasted for about 350 years. In its bloodiest first 15 years there are recorded 2000 deaths - all under the rule of Torquemada.
How about the rest of 200 years of Spanish Inquisition? Records show (http://www.crisismagazine.com/2011/the-truth-about-the-spanish-inquisition) only 200 people were put to death because they were found guilty of heresy. That's one for each year. The rate of conviction was extremely low: only 1.8% of those accused of heresy or witchcraft were found guilty. That's a record every Justice Court or Police Department in America would envy because cops kill dozen of times more people in accidental shootings and juries convict more innocent people every year.
In the full 350 years of the Inquisition, less than 1% of the population had any contact with it, people outside of the major cities didn't even know about it existence. One more detail: the Inquisition was not applied to Jews or Moslems, unless they were baptised as Christians.
Inquisition in Europe lasted about 500 years and caused about 6,000 deaths. These atrocities are completely inexcusable. These numbers are however, a far cry from the those used in the popular press and regurgitated by ignoramuses like you who are always looking to destroy the Church.
Compare 6000 people killed in 500 years by the Inquisition in all of Europe with 100,000,000 people murdered by atheist dictators in only 30-40 years. Still believe Atheism = enlightenment?

[ArrowJ]

A lot of evil has been done in the name of Christ. Thank goodness the same cannot be said for atheists! Well, at least the numbers would not be in the tens of millions, well at least none of it has happened in the last two hundred years since humans have begun to realize how useless religion is.

Of course, if there had been tens of millions of people killed under atheist rulers it would not reflect upon the rest of the atheists that do not condone such actions. After all, they cannot help it if some atheists decide to do horrible things.

I tried to think of a few murderous atheist leaders but am drawing a blank. I did a little research and the best I can do is Mao Tse Tung 26.3 million (1949-65) with another inconsequential 61 million in China from 1949 - 71. Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev 66 million. 1/3 of the population under Pol Pot. Still, I am sure if we dig deeper we will find that religion really was behind these deaths too.

If we give humanity another 100 years to completely wipe out all vestiges of religion we will finally see how peace loving atheists will do away with mass killings of this type. After that humanity will only have to squelch the occasional crazy man or woman that gets away with killing 50,000 or so before the rest of the enlightened, religion free, step in and fix the problem. Thank godlessness I can dream of this peaceful, religion free time for my great, great, great, grandchildren.

[BradD]

...If we give humanity another 100 years to completely wipe out all vestiges of religion we will finally see how peace loving atheists will do away with mass killings of this type. After that humanity will only have to squelch the occasional crazy man or woman that gets away with killing 50,000 or so before the rest of the enlightened, religion free, step in and fix the problem. Thank godlessness I can dream of this peaceful, religion free time for my great, great, great, grandchildren.
I think you're describing 2 Thessalonians 2:3 and the Great Tribulation. :whistling: Except that the story doesn't end quite like the part in bold.

[LASTRESORT20]

Gotta love organized religions.



You sound like a f#u%2 Liberal with that statement.:upeyes:


Religions have evolved (peace to all men and good will)

....The `Murderers cult has not and continues to move backward in time.


`Picture of the Week`
Muslims like to brag that theirs is the fastest-growing religion,
but don’t like to say why. Last week in Pakistan, a 70-year-old
Christian missionary (above) was shot in the neck (http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3483/pakistan-christian-missionary-attacked) for preaching
a faith other than Islam, and a 14-year-old Christian girl was
kidnapped, raped for eleven days and then ‘converted’ to
the Religion of Peace with the approval (http://www.persecution.org/2012/12/04/pakistani-christian-girl-raped-and-tortured-for-eleven-days/) of the local imam.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/birgitta-aimeby.jpg

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

[LASTRESORT20]

As far as I'm concerned, any religion that advocates violence visited upon non-believers should be eridacated from the face of this Earth.


And that is Islam Period....no "any` other" bull-sh!%t about it...Religions have evolved....This cult (wanna-be) has not...

[concretefuzzynuts]

Islam is not a religion. It is a fascist political judicial system.

[ArrowJ]

Islam is not a religion. It is a fascist political judicial system.

I am going to have call bs on that. At its core, Islam is a religion.

[Henry Kane]

Sorry, but I call it the way I see it. Both of their religions worship the One God. Both of their religions advocate violence on non-believers.

No argument here. Historically, followers of either are responsible for death counts and violent agendas that in many instances, exceed comprehension (hence my "numbers would be interesting comment...it'd be a close race I think).

It's a shame what corrupt "followers" have done to diminish the name of either belief. It's also a shame that any positive message is lost in the shadow of said corruption.

[Carrys]

I'm guessing the Atheists would demonize Islam more if they actually lived under Sharia law. :whistling:

It appears to me that Atheists demonize and drag everything they don't like through the mud. And they don't seem to like anything.

They don't seem to be very live and let live type of people to me.:wavey:

[Zombie Surgeon]

I am going to have call bs on that. At its core, Islam is a religion.

Islam is a religion AND a political and justice system.
Most of the Islamic doctrine is political, not religious. (http://www.stanford.edu/group/sjir/3.2.07_meyer.html)
Educate yourself please. (http://www.stanford.edu/group/sjir/3.2.07_meyer.html)

[Henry Kane]

If we give humanity another 100 years to completely wipe out all vestiges of religion we will finally see how peace loving atheists will do away with mass killings of this type. After that humanity will only have to squelch the occasional crazy man or woman that gets away with killing 50,000 or so before the rest of the enlightened, religion free, step in and fix the problem. Thank godlessness I can dream of this peaceful, religion free time for my great, great, great, grandchildren.

Wow. Are you being serious? If serious, you're advocating wiping out "all vestiges of religion" to suit your theistic agenda. It would seem that hypocrisy is not a trait exclusive to religion.

And I must add that your bisection of society (the genocidal religious, opposite the peace-loving atheistic, apparently :faint:) is among the less rational I've read here.

[frank4570]

I think she is actually clinically crazy. Schizophrenia or something.

[BradD]

It appears to me that Atheists demonize and drag everything they don't like through the mud. And they don't seem to like anything.

They don't seem to be very live and let live type of people to me.:wavey:
From what I've read, that's a fairly recent thing.

[ArrowJ]

Wow. Are you being serious?


No, I was being sarcastic.


And I must add that your bisection of society (the genocidal religious, opposite the peace-loving atheistic, apparently :faint:) is among the less rational I've read here.

I was using sarcasm in trying to point out the absurdity of the bisection of society into the genocidal religious (mostly Christian) and peace loving atheist that is found at the heart of the majority of the religious topics on GT by atheists. In short, the general consensus among GT's seems to be religion is at the heart of the majority of evil on this planet, and atheism is at the heart of all that is good.

[ArrowJ]

Islam is a religion AND a political and justice system.
Most of the Islamic doctrine is political, not religious. (http://www.stanford.edu/group/sjir/3.2.07_meyer.html)
Educate yourself please. (http://www.stanford.edu/group/sjir/3.2.07_meyer.html)

The poster said Islam was NOT a religion at all. I pointed out that at its CORE it is a religion. The political Islam would not exist if it were not for the religion of Islam. Much the same way Christian Americans claim America is a Christian country and thus support POLITICAL views based on their RELIGIOUS beliefs. Thus, at its core, Islam is a religion.

[Henry Kane]

No, I was being sarcastic.



I was using sarcasm in trying to point out the absurdity of the bisection of society into the genocidal religious (mostly Christian) and peace loving atheist that is found at the heart of the majority of the religious topics on GT by atheists. In short, the general consensus among GT's seems to be religion is at the heart of the majority of evil on this planet, and atheism is at the heart of all that is good.

Ah! Ok, that makes much more sense. :wavey: When you do sarcasm, you really do sarcasm! lol :rofl: Good points though, and I'm inclined to agree, sir.

[Zombie Surgeon]

It appears to me that Atheists demonize and drag everything they don't like through the mud. And they don't seem to like anything.

They don't seem to be very live and let live type of people to me.:wavey:

Activist atheists have become what they hate: a bunch of intolerant, hateful and bigoted idiots. They preach and call for the extermination of Cristianity at every corner, in every court of justice and on every Internet discussion forum. Their modern witch hunt is eerily similar with the unfortunate mob lynchings and trials by fire that took place in the Middle Ages.

[Dennis in MA]

Wait what?

Anyone who will beat their child because of a religion will find another excuse in absence of said-religion.

And the Christians in NV - they killed the kid b/c of Bible AND Homework. Just remember that. ;)

[The Machinist]

But she didn't kill the kid, so it's OK. Islam is bad and Christianity is good.
It's not OK. It was in direct defiance of what Christ taught. What the murderous muslim chick did, however, was done in adherence to islam.

[Zombie Surgeon]

The poster said Islam was NOT a religion at all. I pointed out that at its CORE it is a religion. The political Islam would not exist if it were not for the religion of Islam. Much the same way Christian Americans claim America is a Christian country and thus support POLITICAL views based on their RELIGIOUS beliefs. Thus, at its core, Islam is a religion.

Being founded by the so-called Prophet Muhammad as a means of gaining political power, conquer rival tribes and territories and accumulate wealth, Islam is at its core all of the above: a religion, a political system and a judicial system. Educate yourself. (http://prophetofdoom.net/)

[concretefuzzynuts]

I am going to have call bs on that. At its core, Islam is a religion.

Ok. It is also a religion. I looked up the definition.

However, the purpose of a religion should be the betterment of it's followers and society. Islam oppresses and destroys. That is why I stated my first opinion.

[Sharkey]

Ok. It is also a religion. I looked up the definition.

However, the purpose of a religion should be the betterment of it's followers and society. Islam oppresses and destroys. That is why I stated my first opinion.

You mention religion and yes, Islam is a religion. Religion should make things better (on paper) but the reality is that it does not. Christianity gets lumped as a religion and in many aspects it is but at the heart of Christianity is the personal relationship with the Savior and I have never recalled reading where Christ advocates violence to unbelievers.

No doubt violence has been done in the "name" of the Christian religion but was it really Christianity?

The mom was a sociopath who would have murdered her child regardless of her religion even it that religion was Atheism. :)

[ArrowJ]

Being founded by the so-called Prophet Muhammad as a means of gaining political power, conquer rival tribes and territories and accumulate wealth, Islam is at its core all of the above: a religion, a political system and a judicial system. Educate yourself. (http://prophetofdoom.net/)

Dude, I am not defending Islam, or saying it does not serve as the underpinnings for politics. It is still a religion. "The Prophet" may have had ulterior motives, but many would say the same of every religions leaders because they believe they are all wrong. Religion is used to determine all aspects of the believers life. Educate Yourself. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion)

Edit: why are we discussing this? In either case Islam is a monumental failure.

[Carrys]

Activist atheists have become what they hate: a bunch of intolerant, hateful and bigoted idiots. They preach and call for the extermination of Cristianity at every corner, in every court of justice and on every Internet discussion forum. Their modern witch hunt is eerily similar with the unfortunate mob lynchings and trials by fire that took place in the Middle Ages.




Me thinks you've hit that old nail right square on the head there mate.:wavey:

[skeeter1959]

Ah, Islam....The religion of peace and tolerance.

[fnfalman]

Hitler a Christian? Congratulations for winning the Glocktalk's stupidest post of the month!
While Hitler was born Catholic, he was explicit in rejecting Christian religion, calling it "the Jewish Christ-creed with its effeminate, pity-ethics".
He closed religious schools, shut down Christian organizations, ordered the murder of priests, not to mention the German leader of Catholic Action. He had Christian civil servants fired, he confiscated church property, censored religious newspapers and sent thousands of Catholic priests, nuns, and laypeople to die in extermination camps.
Hitler's secretary, Martin Bormann, also declared that "National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable" and Hitler didn't squawk too much about it. Similarly, Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." In addition, Hitler made plans to kill the Pope, declared Nazism the state religion and the Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools.

Gott Mitt Uns...does that sound like something athiests would say?



Conquistadors didn't killed in the name of their religion. They killed to plunder.

Yeah, it wasn't like they were carrying crosses and pray to God while raping and pillaging...

Since we are talking about the Spanish colonization oftheAmericas, do yourself a favor and read a book or twoabout the Spanish Missions. With few exceptions of abuse caused by drunken of greedy Spanish soldiers tasked with defending the missions the influence of the Catholic monks was positive. The monks opened hospitals and cared for the sick, taught natives them how to read and write, taught them how to cultivate crops of wheat, fruits, vegetables, raise horses and burros and started ranching as an occupation.

Ain't that special?

Another stupid claim. But it's not your fault, it's the fault of the American public indoctrination...err...education system.
FYI: the Catholic institution of Spanish Inquisition lasted for about 350 years. In its bloodiest first 15 years there are recorded 2000 deaths [/]- all under the rule of Torquemada.
How about the rest of 200 years of Spanish Inquisition? Records show (http://www.crisismagazine.com/2011/the-truth-about-the-spanish-inquisition) [b] only 200 people were put to death because they were found guilty of heresy. That's one for each year. The rate of conviction was extremely low: only 1.8% of those accused of heresy or witchcraft were found guilty. That's a record every Justice Court or Police Department in America would envy because cops kill dozen of times more people in accidental shootings and juries convict more innocent people every year.
In the full 350 years of the Inquisition, less than 1% of the population had any contact with it, people outside of the major cities didn't even know about it existence. One more detail: the Inquisition was not applied to Jews or Moslems, unless they were baptised as Christians.
Inquisition in Europe lasted about 500 years and caused about 6,000 deaths. These atrocities are completely inexcusable. These numbers are however, a far cry from the those used in the popular press and regurgitated by ignoramuses like you who are always looking to destroy the Church.
Compare 6000 people killed in 500 years by the Inquisition in all of Europe with 100,000,000 people murdered by atheist dictators in only 30-40 years. Still believe Atheism = enlightenment?

Well...it's only a few thousand deaths, so it must be OK.\

Pray tell now many deaths were caused by the various Crusades and Islamic incursions? Please tell me because my public edikashun don't know nuthin' about it.

[fnfalman]

It appears to me that Atheists demonize and drag everything they don't like through the mud. And they don't seem to like anything.

They don't seem to be very live and let live type of people to me.:wavey:

Do you see athiests walking around on Sundays knocking on people's doors uninvited?

Do you see athiests going around advocating killing non-believers?

[fnfalman]

Activist atheists have become what they hate: a bunch of intolerant, hateful and bigoted idiots. They preach and call for the extermination of Cristianity at every corner, in every court of justice and on every Internet discussion forum. Their modern witch hunt is eerily similar with the unfortunate mob lynchings and trials by fire that took place in the Middle Ages.

The difference between athiests and religious nut jobs is that they may call for extermination of religions but they don't call for the extermination of people who don't believe.

That's the difference.

They don't go around killing people because Allahuh Akbar or God Wills It.

They may kill for greed, for passion, for whatever but they definitely don't kill because God wills them to.

[fnfalman]

Oh yeah, please enlighten me as to who coined the phrase "Kiill them all, God will know his own"?

Was it the warlike Islamists? Perhaps the amoral athiests?

[Blast]

The difference between athiests and religious nut jobs is that they may call for extermination of religions but they don't call for the extermination of people who don't believe.

That's the difference.

They don't go around killing people because Allahuh Akbar or God Wills It.

They may kill for greed, for passion, for whatever but they definitely don't kill because God wills them to.
So it's okay to commit atrocities as long as religion isn't involved?
Wow. Disturbing :upeyes: But it isn't surprising in light of the liberal left mindset that is destroying America.

[Blast]

This stuff is okay because there's no religion involved.:wavey:

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[Inebriated]

Posting anything by Disturbed is never ok.

[fnfalman]

So it's okay to commit atrocities as long as religion isn't involved?
Wow. Disturbing :upeyes: But it isn't surprising in light of the liberal left mindset that is destroying America.

Well, at least it won't be hypocritical activities.

[Blast]

Well, at least it won't be hypocritical activities.
Human nature is full of hypocrisy.

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Ministry - N.W.O. - YouTube

[nursetim]

It's sad that an innocent was murdered. The silver lining, one less suicide bomber, if nothing else, blowing himself up to get away from his mother.

[larry_minn]

Sorry, but I call it the way I see it. Both of their religions worship the One God. Both of their religions advocate violence on non-believers.

WHAT? You mean I missed that? I can use violence on anyone who does not believe as I do? WTF are we doing letting other religions use our church buildings? (when theirs is unuseable say due to fire,water damage, furnace/AC not working) I as a rep of my church PERSONALLY made the offer to other religions with full backing of council. (we heard local place of worship had problem/we made offer) Even for a wedding. (water line broke IN that basement. We were ok in removing our faith flag. But when they said the stars and strips had to go. The offer was recinded. (I told council what I had done/they agreed)
If I had only known. Shows what happens when you miss Bible study. Maybe you just looked in OLD testiment? There were changes made.

[Peace Warrior]

Anyone miss the fact they referred to her as british?

[Peace Warrior]

Oh yeah, please enlighten me as to who coined the phrase "Kiill them all, God will know his own"?

Was it the warlike Islamists? Perhaps the amoral athiests?
It was a roman catholic leader, not a Christian. There is a difference you know.

[Blast]

WHAT? You mean I missed that? I can use violence on anyone who does not believe as I do? WTF are we doing letting other religions use our church buildings? (when theirs is unuseable say due to fire,water damage, furnace/AC not working) I as a rep of my church PERSONALLY made the offer to other religions with full backing of council. (we heard local place of worship had problem/we made offer) Even for a wedding. (water line broke IN that basement. We were ok in removing our faith flag. But when they said the stars and strips had to go. The offer was recinded. (I told council what I had done/they agreed)
If I had only known. Shows what happens when you miss Bible study. Maybe you just looked in OLD testiment? There were changes made.
The thing about a lot of atheists is they think the OT Mosaic punishment laws are Christian doctrine. Even when shown otherwise, they want to continue to believe that Christians are supposed to stone adulterers, burn witches, kill disobedient children, etc. so they can have fuel to debase Christians. They are delusional. They ignore facts. They are clueless.

For the GT atheists...
https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/12/7/YxoRiYBeTUOhb5dC9Q6x4g2.jpg
:rofl:

[Inebriated]

The thing about a lot of atheists is they think the OT Mosaic punishment laws are Christian doctrine. Even when shown otherwise, they want to continue to believe that Christians are supposed to stone adulterers, burn witches, kill disobedient children, etc. so they can have fuel to debase Christians. They are delusional. They ignore facts. They are clueless.
You are painting with a damn broad brush there.

[Blast]

You are painting with a damn broad brush there.
If you read the post without prejudice, you would see that I said A LOT OF ATHEISTS. A lot is not all.
Talk about broad brushes, MOST of the GT atheists stereotype Christians as I've illustrated as well as being ignorant of science.
The "young earthers" are not mainstream.

[Bren]

Gotta love organized religions.

I can't decide whether to blame the religion, arabs or the British. All of them, I guess.

[Bren]

The thing about a lot of atheists is they think the OT Mosaic punishment laws are Christian doctrine. Even when shown otherwise, they want to continue to believe that Christians are supposed to stone adulterers, burn witches, kill disobedient children, etc. so they can have fuel to debase Christians. They are delusional. They ignore facts. They are clueless.

So your religion worships the same god as the old testament, but you no longer have to follow the rules he made, because they have become inconvenient? How about that.

[Bren]

It was a roman catholic leader, not a Christian. There is a difference you know.

:upeyes: Pretty typical.

[Inebriated]

I can't decide whether to blame the religion, arabs or the British. All of them, I guess.
It's people. It's not religion causing stupidity, or guns causing crime. It's just people being ****ty.

If you read the post without prejudice, you would see that I said A LOT OF ATHEISTS. A lot is not all.
Talk about broad brushes, MOST of the GT atheists stereotype Christians as I've illustrated as well as being ignorant of science.
The "young earthers" are not mainstream.
"They are delusional. They ignore facts. They are clueless."

What facts are you talking about?

[BradD]

So your religion worships the same god as the old testament, but you no longer have to follow the rules he made, because they have become inconvenient? How about that.
Bren, that's not how we think it works.

The OT laws are roughly broken into three categories: moral laws, Israelite judicial laws, and Israelite ceremonial laws.

The moral laws (e.g., shall not murder, steal, and so on) are in effect and always will be. Look at the commands in the NT. The Golden Rule, love your neighbor as much as yourself, Paul's commands in Ephesians 4 and 5, and so on. These are not in conflict with the moral law; they help to explain it.

We're not in a Jewish theocracy, so Jewish ceremonial and judicial laws don't apply to us.

Some of the laws are very easy to categorize, such as laws concerning animal sacrifices. Some others aren't so easy, so Christians disagree with each other. Sabbath observance and giving a tenth come to mind. Still, it's not that "Christians cherry pick the OT laws they follow using personal preference" or "there's an OT God and a NT God" which are the usual false accusations.

[Peace Warrior]

:upeyes: Pretty typical.
True nonetheless.

[Zombie Surgeon]

Gott Mitt Uns...does that sound like something athiests would say?

You never uttered "Oh my God" or "God damn it" or "God only knows"?

Yeah, it wasn't like they were carrying crosses and pray to God while raping and pillaging...I believe you are both ignorant and confused...conquistadors (mostly adventurers, thieves and other shady characters originating from Spain's city slums) were NOT representing the Catholic Church in the New World in any capability. Most of them purchased a one way ticket to America and landed here with a single purpose in their mind: to strike it rich quick and go home. It was the first gold rush in the New World, hundreds of years before California. In fact after the new Spanish colonies were established and local authorities put in place there are plenty of examples in which such rowdy characters were put to trial and imprisoned or later executed for committing crimes against the natives.
But of course you don't have any idea about any of this. It's not your fault, you've been brainwashed by the liberal teachers in the American public education system.

Ain't that special?

Well...it's only a few thousand deaths, so it must be OK.\How's your math? As bad as your knowledge of history, obviously. Your IQ must be somewhere in the single digits if compare a total 6000 deaths ordered by the European Inquisition during a period of hundreds of years with 100,000,000 (one hundred million) deaths ordered by atheist dictators in only 40-50 years and reach the conclusion that crimes committed by the church are worse than crimes committed by atheists.

Pray tell now many deaths were caused by the various Crusades and Islamic incursions? Please tell me because my public edikashun don't know nuthin' about it.Crusades were defensive wars. If Crusades didn't existed, you wouldn't be a snarky ignorant and full of crap atheist today. Most probably you would be a good Muslim praying five times a day facing Mecca and your wife / girlfriend would wear a potato sack and flip flops instead of blue jeans and sneakers. You should thank anyone who went into battle against the Islamic hordes wearing a cross around the neck for that.

[Bren]

Hitler a Christian? Congratulations for winning the Glocktalk's stupidest post of the month!
While Hitler was born Catholic, he was explicit in rejecting Christian religion, calling it "the Jewish Christ-creed with its effeminate, pity-ethics".
He closed religious schools, shut down Christian organizations, ordered the murder of priests, not to mention the German leader of Catholic Action. He had Christian civil servants fired, he confiscated church property, censored religious newspapers and sent thousands of Catholic priests, nuns, and laypeople to die in extermination camps.
Hitler's secretary, Martin Bormann, also declared that "National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable" and Hitler didn't squawk too much about it. Similarly, Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." In addition, Hitler made plans to kill the Pope, declared Nazism the state religion and the Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools.

Virtually nothing in that paragraph is true. In fact it is mostly the exact opposite of any documented history. Did you make it up, or do you have some sort of religious blog writer to cite? Hitler led a very religious nation, with the support of both catholics and protestants. he cited his own christian faith in Mein Kampf and elsewhere. A fairly well-known quote from Mein Kampf:
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/wwii-buckle.jpg

[Annoyedgrunt]

Let's be clear, here:

This woman didn't beat her kid because of Muslimism or Jewishism or Jesusism. If she had none of these, she would have done it for McDonaldsism or Harrodsism or Beiberism. Sick is as sick does. Blaming a religion for it isn't the point.



This thread could have ended with this post. Well said. :wavey:

But, this is GNG, so carry on, fellas. :rofl:

[fnfalman]

Maybe you just looked in OLD testiment? There were changes made.

So, you don't follow the words of your God?

It was a roman catholic leader, not a Christian. There is a difference you know.

I see...Catholics aren't "Christians". :rofl:

You never uttered "Oh my God" or "God damn it" or "God only knows"?

Nope. Why should I? I'm not a Christian/Islam/Jew.

I believe you are both ignorant and confused...

I believe that you're in complete denial.

How's your math? As bad as your knowledge of history, obviously. Your IQ must be somewhere in the single digits if compare a total 6000 deaths ordered by the European Inquisition during a period of hundreds of years with 100,000,000 (one hundred million) deaths ordered by atheist dictators in only 40-50 years and reach the conclusion that crimes committed by the church are worse than crimes committed by atheists.

Once again, killing a few thousands is OK and killing a few dozen millions is bad in your book?

Crusades were defensive wars. If Crusades didn't existed, you wouldn't be a snarky ignorant and full of crap atheist today.

Huh? How's that working out? I was born in the Orient. Islam would have never made it that far because we would have kicked their asses all the way back to Mecca. Hell, didn't Ghenghis Khan and his homeys took out a chunk of the Islamic world?

Most probably you would be a good Muslim praying five times a day facing Mecca and your wife / girlfriend would wear a potato sack and flip flops instead of blue jeans and sneakers. You should thank anyone who went into battle against the Islamic hordes wearing a cross around the neck for that.

Nope. I'd still be an atheist.

So, no thanks to those dudes with the crosses who killed, raped and pillaged because God Wills It.

[BradD]

So, you don't follow the words of your God? ...
I explained this. Why pretend like the quoted accusation is valid when it's not? There are things that some Christians type that make them look dishonest. The accusation above makes atheists look dishonest. I guess we're even. :tongueout:

[fnfalman]

I explained this. Why pretend like the quoted accusation is valid when it's not? There are things that some Christians type that make them look dishonest. The accusation above makes atheists look dishonest. I guess we're even. :tongueout:

I just wanted to understand the organized religion mentality, that's all.

You guys get to decide which word of your God to follow? Or you favor his son's words over his own?

Not to mention, deciding which subset of Christianity is not Christian?

Methinks you need to straighten out your houses first before critique other religions or athiests.

As far as thiests being dishonest...well, that's just human nature. We don't lie, cheat or steal in the name of XXX (name your favorite deity here). In essence, we're being humans and not hypocrites.

[Carrys]

Do you see athiests walking around on Sundays knocking on people's doors uninvited?

Do you see athiests going around advocating killing non-believers?



Good gracious dude...... do you mean to say that the thing you find most upseting 'bout Christians is that they knock on your door "uninvited"?

Gee Mo Nee, those nasty old bubblegum chewers.

Just who knocks on your door "invited"?:dunno:



Do you see athiests going around advocating killing non-believers?

Nope...........they reserve that just for believers.:wavey:

[Carrys]

As far as thiests being dishonest...well, that's just human nature. We don't lie, cheat or steal in the name of XXX (name your favorite deity here). In essence, we're being humans and not hypocrites.



So there Forest........being human while being a liar, cheater, and stealer is better than being a Hypocrite who does the same?:dunno:

You really do have a case of it my man.

[el_jewapo]

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[BradD]

I just wanted to understand the organized religion mentality, that's all.
If you want to understand Christian adherence to only some of the OT laws, then explanations are available. Research the differences between the types of laws in the OT. The books of Galatians and Hebrews also help to explain this.

You guys get to decide which word of your God to follow? Or you favor his son's words over his own?
No, we do our best to figure out, from the OT and NT, what we're supposed to do. See my previous post. Some of the OT laws are moral, so are eternal. Some can only apply in a Jewish theocracy, so those aren't in effect now, and best I can tell, never will be again.

Not to mention, deciding which subset of Christianity is not Christian?
All we can do is read the Bible, see which denomination seems to match best, attend that kind of church, and move on. People disagree mostly on finer points. All Christians believe the same thing on essential points such as there is a God, Jesus is God's son, Jesus came here, lived, and died on a cross, was resurrected, etc. In other words, the accusation of many different types of Christianity is a whole bunch of stuff about very little.

Methinks you need to straighten out your houses first before critique other religions or athiests.
That's probably true, so no argument there. However, I can only control myself, and my family to a limited extent, so I'm not sure what I (and other Christians) am not doing. When I hear about some preacher somewhere having an affair, of course it bugs me, but what am I supposed to do about it? He's human. He screwed up, and lost probably all credibility as their pastor. Hopefully he'll repent and do better. In such a situation, I can only hope and pray for healing and better behavior.

As far as thiests being dishonest...well, that's just human nature. We don't lie, cheat or steal in the name of XXX (name your favorite deity here). In essence, we're being humans and not hypocrites.
Christians are humans also, so they don't always do right. I don't always behave as I should; nobody does. However, note that hypocrisy is also something that humans do because they're imperfect. I was a betting man, I'd bet good money that, if I could spend some time with you, I could spot some hypocrisy also, just perhaps not in this exact area.

[Zombie Surgeon]

Virtually nothing in that paragraph is true. In fact it is mostly the exact opposite of any documented history. Did you make it up, or do you have some sort of religious blog writer to cite? Hitler led a very religious nation, with the support of both catholics and protestants. he cited his own christian faith in Mein Kampf and elsewhere. A fairly well-known quote from Mein Kampf:


http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/wwii-buckle.jpg

So you're saying politicians don't lie during election campaigns? All you quoted was lip service to the Catholic Church BEFORE he succeeded to gain dictatorial powers.

Here is Hitler in his own words AFTER he had become Der Fuhrer:


Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, *******? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:

Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday:

It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278) All quotes from: Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953 ("Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944" - this title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States)

Face it, bub: atheists OWN all mass murderers of the 20th Century. Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol-Pot, Gheorgiu-Dej - all atheists, all murderers. ONE HUNDRED MILLION VICTIMS AND YOU CAN COUNT THE PERPETRATORS ON THE FINGERS OF A SINGLE HAND.

[janice6]

So she killed her child because he might deny her some gratification from third parties.


Way to go. Great sense of values.

[fnfalman]

So there Forest........being human while being a liar, cheater, and stealer is better than being a Hypocrite who does the same?:dunno:

You really do have a case of it my man.

Well...yes. Hypocrities are hypocrites.

[fnfalman]

All we can do is read the Bible, see which denomination seems to match best, attend that kind of church, and move on. People disagree mostly on finer points. All Christians believe the same thing on essential points such as there is a God, Jesus is God's son, Jesus came here, lived, and died on a cross, was resurrected, etc. In other words, the accusation of many different types of Christianity is a whole bunch of stuff about very little.


There's one "Christian" in this thread who claimed that Holy Roman Catholics aren't "Christians".

What do you say to that?

[el_jewapo]

Fnfalman, Your posts are much more enjoyable when they're about scoring hot chicks on your scooter. Fanatical Athiests are just as annoying as Fanatics of any other religion. Who do you think you're going to convert here?

[Zombie Surgeon]

Fnfalman, Your posts are much more enjoyable when they're about scoring hot chicks on your scooter. Fanatical Athiests are just as annoying as Fanatics of any other religion. Who do you think you're going to convert here?

The fanatical atheists are just as entertaining as the religious nutjobs. In fact, the two bunches of idiots have more things in common than you'd think.

[BradD]

There's one "Christian" in this thread who claimed that Holy Roman Catholics aren't "Christians".

What do you say to that?
I don't know enough about Catholicism, or the background to PW's remark, to comment. Sorry.

[Peace Warrior]

... I see...Catholics aren't "Christians". :rofl: ...
You're usually not so obtuse. Have a few already?

First, you mentioned what a specific individual stated, and I chose to mention something about the same specific individual. Then, you decided to create and pursue a strawman with a negative inclination.

fnfalman, although we often disagree with regards to religious ideals, your obtuseness with the above comment indicates to me you're obviously not thinking as clear as you normally do. Either that or I've been wrong in my character judgments concerning you.

[Peace Warrior]

I don't know enough about Catholicism, or the background to PW's remark, to comment. Sorry.
BradD,

Please see my above response. (me thinks he drinks today drank :whistling:)

[Zombie Surgeon]

You're usually not so obtuse. Have a few already?

First, you mentioned what a specific individual stated, and I chose to mention something about the same specific individual. Then, you decided to create and pursue a strawman with a negative inclination.

fnfalman, although we often disagree with regards to religious ideals, your obtuseness with the above comment indicates to me you're obviously not thinking as clear as you normally do. Either that or I've been wrong in my character judgments concerning you.

The sound of silence...

[fnfalman]

You're usually not so obtuse. Have a few already?

First, you mentioned what a specific individual stated, and I chose to mention something about the same specific individual. Then, you decided to create and pursue a strawman with a negative inclination.

fnfalman, although we often disagree with regards to religious ideals, your obtuseness with the above comment indicates to me you're obviously not thinking as clear as you normally do. Either that or I've been wrong in my character judgments concerning you.

I was just quoting you verbatim.:dunno:

[fnfalman]

The sound of silence...

Some of us have more important things to do during the weekends than posting on GlockTalk.

[fnfalman]

Fnfalman, Your posts are much more enjoyable when they're about scoring hot chicks on your scooter. Fanatical Athiests are just as annoying as Fanatics of any other religion. Who do you think you're going to convert here?

I'm not religious, therefore I'm not out to "convert" anybody.

I just find it hilarious that those other religious types that jump on the bandwagon lambasting Islam also belong to faiths that hold similar beliefs.

[Zombie Surgeon]

Some of us have more important things to do during the weekends than posting on GlockTalk.

Sure you do...:violin::shakehead:
Important things like what? Researching the religious affiliations of Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot?

Tell me please...how do you feel about the fact all that every single one of mass murdering tyrants of the 20th Century were enlightened atheists?
100,000,000 dead in 40-50 years, all killed by a couple of individuals who hated God. That's a record number the Crusades, the Inquisition, Genkhis Khan's hordes and the Black Plague all combined over hundreds of years represent only a tiny fraction of.

[fnfalman]

Sure you do...:violin::shakehead:
Important things like what? Researching the religious affiliations of Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot?

I thought you claimed that they were athiests?

Tell me please...how do you feel about the fact all that every single one of mass murdering tyrants of the 20th Century were enlightened atheists?

Please tell me how you feel about the fact that Hitler and a bunch of Nazis were Christians?

At least the athiests didn't kill for their God. The same God that supposedly taught "love thy brothers" and "thou shall not kill". Hypocrisy much?


100,000,000 dead in 40-50 years, all killed by a couple of individuals who hated God. That's a record number the Crusades, the Inquisition, Genkhis Khan's hordes and the Black Plague all combined over hundreds of years represent only a tiny fraction of.

Once again, it's the numbers that matter to you, huh? Christians killed a few thousands or inititated the killing of a few millions here and there don't count but athiests killing 100 million is bad?

[Zombie Surgeon]

I thought you claimed that they were athiests?

It is you claiming Hitler was not. Therefore I assumed you took the weekend off to do some research on Hitler's religion. Looks like you couldn't find any valid arguments since you didn't replied to my post (http://glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19713164&postcount=85).



At least the athiests didn't kill for their God. The same God that supposedly taught "love thy brothers" and "thou shall not kill". Hypocrisy much?Atheist dictators kill because they want to replace God with themselves.


Once again, it's the numbers that matter to you, huh? Christians killed a few thousands or inititated the killing of a few millions here and there don't count but athiests killing 100 million is bad?Yes, number matters -in particular when dealing with a individual like you who claims atheists (by the way, it's spelled atheists not "athiests") are enlightened beings and Christians are bigoted murderous haters. Numbers give you a perspective and reveal your lies your ignorance and your hypocrisy.

[fnfalman]

It is you claiming Hitler was not. Therefore I assumed you took the weekend off to do some research on Hitler's religion

I think that Bren already proved Hitler's and the Nazi's religion with his Gott Mit Uns belt buckle.:rofl:


Atheist dictators kill because they want to replace God with themselves.

Since that I've never spoken with Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, I can't agree or disagree.

But Christian and Islamic dictators...why do they kill?


Yes, number matters -in particular when dealing with a individual like you who claims atheists (by the way, it's spelled atheists not "athiests") are enlightened beings and Christians are bigoted murderous haters. Numbers give you a perspective and reveal your lies your ignorance and your hypocrisy.

What hypocrisy from me? I never prayed to a God or believed in a religion that advocated peace then went out to kill for my God and my beliefs.

BTW, you got me with the atheist spelling. I guess I'm not being a very good "athiest" after all. Maybe I should take up one of those One God religion so that I can kill others and be pious about it.

[Zombie Surgeon]

I think that Bren already proved Hitler's and the Nazi's religion with his Gott Mit Uns belt buckle.:rofl:



Since that I've never spoken with Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, I can't agree or disagree.

But Christian and Islamic dictators...why do they kill?




What hypocrisy from me? I never prayed to a God or believed in a religion that advocated peace then went out to kill for my God and my beliefs.

BTW, you got me with the atheist spelling. I guess I'm not being a very good "athiest" after all. Maybe I should take up one of those One God religion so that I can kill others and be pious about it.

I give up. What's the use debating with a dim bulb who can't even spell - let alone have an intelligent argument?

http://www.thedisplacedafrican.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/semi-dim-bulb.jpg

[fnfalman]

I give up. What's the use debating with a dim bulb who can't even spell - let alone have an intelligent argument?


At least I'm not a religious nut job hypocrite.

[Zombie Surgeon]

At least I'm not a religious nut job hypocrite.


Get lost.

[fnfalman]

Get lost.

You first. Or your type'd be too busy beating up little kids for not remembering the Scriptures?

[Zombie Surgeon]

You first. Or your type'd be too busy beating up little kids for not remembering the Scriptures?


I am quoting myself (http://glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19713868&postcount=90):

The fanatical atheists are just as entertaining as the religious nutjobs. In fact, the two bunches of idiots have more things in common than you'd think. If my above statement gives you the impression that I am a religious nut job, then you must have the IQ of a Drosophilla Melanogaster.
That's the fruit fly for dimwits like you.

[ArrowJ]

Derailed

[fnfalman]

I am quoting myself (http://glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19713868&postcount=90):
If my above statement gives you the impression that I am a religious nut job, then you must have the IQ of a Drosophilla Melanogaster.
That's the fruit fly for dimwits like you.

I don't know what sort of nutjob you are. I am not your relations, nor am I your psychologist.

You can claim to be a saint and for all I know you may be one. Or one of these days you might decide on a crusade. I don't know. I'm not God.

As far as being a dimwit, I must admit that I am no Einstein. However I'm not the one running around believing in some white dude with white beard living in the sky.

[ArrowJ]

However I'm not the one running around believing in some white dude with white beard living in the sky.

That is not a biblical picture of what God looks like. I am just saying.

[fnfalman]

That is not a biblical picture of what God looks like. I am just saying.

Isn't that what's portrayed on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel? Wasn't one of the Popes commissioned the painting? If the Pope doesn't know what God look like then how can a mere regular joe christian know?

[427]

Clearly, Martin Luther was following the teachings of Christ when he wrote the anti-semetic On the Jews and Their Lies and Of the Unknowable Name and the Generations of Christ.

In On the Jews and Their Lies, Luther stated that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness, afforded no legal protection, and these "poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time. He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[w]e are at fault in not slaying them".

Didn't something like this happen in Germany 70 years ago?

Was Luther also following Christ's teachings when he railed against the Catholics? They weren't "true" christians, according to him. We all know about the animosity between Protestants and Catholics that goes on to this day. We even see it on some of the posts on this very thread.

[ArrowJ]

Isn't that what's portrayed on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel? Wasn't one of the Popes commissioned the painting? If the Pope doesn't know what God look like then how can a mere regular joe christian know?

I guess we are stuck reading the Bible.

[NEOH212]

Gotta love extremist fanatics.

I know that's what you meant....:whistling:

[IQof1]

well, it was either death by stick of wood...

or death by stick of dynamite.....

thanks folks! i'll be here all week!

[Billy10mm]

yep:whistling:

Seconded.

[Peace Warrior]

Ok. It is also a religion. I looked up the definition.

However, the purpose of a religion should be the betterment of it's followers and society. Islam oppresses and destroys. That is why I stated my first opinion.
CFN,

islam is what occurs after someone first authors, and then interprets something as G-d's word, when in reality, it is a chosen gods, which was/is merely one of over 350 deities available at the time.

Denominational factions (ALL of 'em) are what occur after someone interprets G-d's actual Word. The interpretation is both for self and those that will believe him/her. (Note: Some may be closer to actual Christianity than others, but in my experiences, all are flawed due to a lack of humility "somewhere in the mix.")

Religion is man trying to reach up to G-d. Period.

Christianity, or now the term needs a modifier so make that "biblical Christianity" is people that read and humble themselves to G-d's Word while HUMBLY following the Holy Spirit's leading. Period.