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G29Reload
12-07-2012, 13:18
I've started emailing my congressman, Frank Wolf.

Daily.

If Boehner agrees to raise taxes, theres no further point to republicans in DC. Said as much.

We do not have a revenue problem we have a spending problem.

The purge of Tea Party oriented members has to stop--NOW.

Without the Tea Party, Boehner would not be speaker.

John Boehner is a feckless, gutless coward and spiteful against his own party to boot. We will not survive with him as leader.

We need a revolt before its too late.

Vic777
12-07-2012, 13:29
John Boehner is a feckless, gutless coward and spiteful against his own party to boot. We will not survive with him as leader.

We need a revolt before its too late.He is also a crybaby. When are we going to fix America? Never with lieberals and Rinos. We must go over the cliff, Obama signed it, Obama owns it. Then see where we are, what happens next. Boehner is toast! He is nothing without Tea Party support, time he got the message. Did I say he was a crybaby?
http://www.politico.com/gallery/2012/07/11-times-john-boehner-cried/000266-003390.html

RDW
12-07-2012, 13:40
He REALLY needs to GO!

heyTJ
12-07-2012, 13:52
There is no question in my mind that Boehner will not be the speaker come next month. When he does gets voted out or step asides, which would be the smart thing to do.
This is going to give the dems so much fuel for the fire, they will gloat that the republicans can't get their act together.
The dems goal right now is to make sure they control the house in 2 years, this is why all the posturing is going on right now.

barbedwiresmile
12-07-2012, 15:21
I thought Boehner was swell according to GT 'conservatives' six months ago?

Cream Soda Kid
12-07-2012, 15:42
I've started emailing my congressman, Frank Wolf.

Daily.

If Boehner agrees to raise taxes, theres no further point to republicans in DC. Said as much.

We do not have a revenue problem we have a spending problem.

The purge of Tea Party oriented members has to stop--NOW.

Without the Tea Party, Boehner would not be speaker.

John Boehner is a feckless, gutless coward and spiteful against his own party to boot. We will not survive with him as leader.

We need a revolt before its too late.

Yes sir, you are correct, I didn't like nor trust him before he was elected house speaker, his true colors are really coming out now.

FLIPPER 348
12-07-2012, 15:47
I thought Boehner was swell according to GT 'conservatives' six months ago?




he was the Man!!



.......'cept when he was crying

concretefuzzynuts
12-07-2012, 15:52
Time to let go of Boner.

Kablam
12-07-2012, 16:23
I thought Boehner was swell according to GT 'conservatives' six months ago?

Yeah, sure accross the board. :upeyes: Again with the generalizations. That answer is getting old and adds nothing to the discussion (although I have to agree with that somewhat). Do you use a 4 or 6 inch brush? Some people aren't as lucky (or intelligent) as you are and ALWAYS have the right answer the first time. Sometimes mere mortals make a mistake and then change their minds after they realize that. No need to continue to ridicule them. You win. You have, and will always be, the right one around here. I agree with most things you bring up (not that that matters to you), but your insulting delivery is annoying, and won't convince anybody of anything.

As to the OP, yes, that progressive kiss my ring looter needs to go.

Ruble Noon
12-07-2012, 16:39
Yeah, sure accross the board. :upeyes: Again with the generalizations. That answer is getting old and adds nothing to the discussion (although I have to agree with that somewhat). Do you use a 4 or 6 inch brush? Some people aren't as lucky (or intelligent) as you are and ALWAYS have the right answer the first time. Sometimes mere mortals make a mistake and then change their minds after they realize that. No need to continue to ridicule them. You win. You have, and will always be, the right one around here. I agree with most things you bring up (not that that matters to you), but your insulting delivery is annoying, and won't convince anybody of anything.

As to the OP, yes, that progressive kiss my ring looter needs to go.

Maybe it's high time you started paying attention to him?

Oh, and I don't paint with a brush, I prefer an Accuspray HVLP.

Ruble Noon
12-07-2012, 16:41
I've started emailing my congressman, Frank Wolf.

Daily.

If Boehner agrees to raise taxes, theres no further point to republicans in DC. Said as much.

We do not have a revenue problem we have a spending problem.

The purge of Tea Party oriented members has to stop--NOW.

Without the Tea Party, Boehner would not be speaker.

John Boehner is a feckless, gutless coward and spiteful against his own party to boot. We will not survive with him as leader.

We need a revolt before its too late.

What do you mean, if?

Kablam
12-07-2012, 16:54
Maybe it's high time you started paying attention to him?

Oh, and I don't paint with a brush, I prefer an Accuspray HVLP.

I'm not talking about what is said, it's how it's said. Doesn't matter anyhow...not important. I was looking at it more from a respect standpoint. If that's not important, then just forget it.

HVLP -- good idea. Saves time.

RyanSBHF
12-07-2012, 18:05
Time to let go of Boner.


+1

He's been really flaccid lately.

kirgi08
12-07-2012, 19:00
When he caves,yep.'08.

juggy4711
12-07-2012, 20:45
Not gonna happen.

GAFinch
12-07-2012, 20:55
Don't attribute the problem to just one man.

Breitbart is reporting that Paul Ryan, who as Budget Committee chairman is in charge of the House budget, signed on to to Boehner's offer to raise taxes and may be involved in the conservative purge. Two of them were from his Budget Committee.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/07/Paul-Ryan-backs-Boehner-on-conservative-purge-refuses-to-deny-whether-he-was-involved

I also notice that Bachmann, the leader of the Tea Party caucus, has not been purged from the Finance Committee (which just let Corzine off the hook). Is the supposed outsider faithfully or cowardly toeing the line?

Ruble Noon
12-07-2012, 21:10
Don't attribute the problem to just one man.

Breitbart is reporting that Paul Ryan, who as Budget Committee chairman is in charge of the House budget, signed on to to Boehner's offer to raise taxes and may be involved in the conservative purge. Two of them were from his Budget Committee.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/07/Paul-Ryan-backs-Boehner-on-conservative-purge-refuses-to-deny-whether-he-was-involved

I also notice that Bachmann, the leader of the Tea Party caucus, has not been purged from the Finance Committee (which just let Corzine off the hook). Is the supposed outsider faithfully or cowardly toeing the line?

Who was warning y'all about Ryan? :whistling:

jlavallee
12-07-2012, 21:40
If Boehner agrees to raise taxes, theres no further point to republicans in DC. Said as much.


What do you think they've done by voting for budget increases and bailouts? It's called inflation and it's a hidden tax in that most don't understand it.

There were only ever a small few Republicans that were worth supporting and the party has made sure the libertarian minded few are being sought out. If you didn't support Paul this last primary season, you're part of the problem.

GAFinch
12-07-2012, 21:53
Who was warning y'all about Ryan? :whistling:

A lot of you guys have a major problem with putting Republicans on the defensive, which erases any common ground on an issue. Tone down petty and insulting language. Avoid using exaggerated statements for shock value, conservatives are mostly immune to that. Make honest, rational cases on topics. It may seem like a less effective method, but getting someone closer to your viewpoint is better than having your viewpoint ignored and your credibility destroyed, which leads to other arguments being automatically ignored. If someone doesn't agree with your viewpoint, don't automatically deride them for being too dumb to understand it. Be willing to admit to yourself that your viewpoint isn't always right, a libertarian writer's viewpoint isn't always right, and a non-libertarian writer's viewpoint isn't always wrong. Cultivate discernment. Pursuing truth is better than winning.

GAFinch
12-07-2012, 22:11
If you didn't support Paul this last primary season, you're part of the problem.

Drop any talk of Paul, Joos, or MJ. Focus on spreading economics in a calm, rational manner to everyone - conservatives, moderates, liberals.

certifiedfunds
12-07-2012, 22:34
Yeah, sure accross the board. :upeyes: Again with the generalizations. That answer is getting old and adds nothing to the discussion (although I have to agree with that somewhat). Do you use a 4 or 6 inch brush? Some people aren't as lucky (or intelligent) as you are and ALWAYS have the right answer the first time. Sometimes mere mortals make a mistake and then change their minds after they realize that. No need to continue to ridicule them. You win. You have, and will always be, the right one around here. I agree with most things you bring up (not that that matters to you), but your insulting delivery is annoying, and won't convince anybody of anything.

As to the OP, yes, that progressive kiss my ring looter needs to go.

His are among the best posts on this board. Usually dead center. Take a few minutes and go read his blog.

certifiedfunds
12-07-2012, 22:36
Don't attribute the problem to just one man.

Breitbart is reporting that Paul Ryan, who as Budget Committee chairman is in charge of the House budget, signed on to to Boehner's offer to raise taxes and may be involved in the conservative purge. Two of them were from his Budget Committee.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/07/Paul-Ryan-backs-Boehner-on-conservative-purge-refuses-to-deny-whether-he-was-involved

I also notice that Bachmann, the leader of the Tea Party caucus, has not been purged from the Finance Committee (which just let Corzine off the hook). Is the supposed outsider faithfully or cowardly toeing the line?

Above all they want to maintain personal power.

jlavallee
12-07-2012, 22:40
Be willing to admit to yourself that your viewpoint isn't always right, a libertarian writer's viewpoint isn't always right, and a non-libertarian writer's viewpoint isn't always wrong. Cultivate discernment. Pursuing truth is better than winning.

A libertarian knows they don't know what is right for everyone so they allow people to make their own decisions as long as they respect the right of others to choose differently.

There is no truth beyond the fact that no one size fits all. Talking about issues like MJ are important because that while I don't care for it, I will fight to ensure those that want it are free to make their own choices just like those that don't want to do it.

I loathe the concept of communism too but as long as it isn't forced on me, people can buy land and live on a commune all they want.

Paul supporters knew the difference. The rest thought that supporting him would have been an endorsement of something other than liberty.

Conservatives, moderates or liberals... All just groups trying to push their beliefs onto someone else.

Kablam
12-07-2012, 22:50
His are among the best posts on this board. Usually dead center. Take a few minutes and go read his blog.

I agree when the content of his posts on this board is not a simple repeated insult. I never said anything to the contrary. And I do read his blog frequently.

Teufelhunde
12-08-2012, 00:06
I've started emailing my congressman, Frank Wolf.

Daily.

If Boehner agrees to raise taxes, theres no further point to republicans in DC. Said as much.

We do not have a revenue problem we have a spending problem.

The purge of Tea Party oriented members has to stop--NOW.

Without the Tea Party, Boehner would not be speaker.

John Boehner is a feckless, gutless coward and spiteful against his own party to boot. We will not survive with him as leader.

We need a revolt before its too late.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it IS too late. The repubican party is dead. They have cooked their own goose......

YMMV

certifiedfunds
12-08-2012, 00:23
I agree when the content of his posts on this board is not a simple repeated insult. I never said anything to the contrary. And I do read his blog frequently.

I'm not sure what you're reading then. I don't see an insult to anyone but progressive republicans and neocon types. The 'conservative' is indicative of that. There are an awful lot of folks running around here who consider themselves strong conservatives who's posting history suggests they're anything but conservative.

Also, he hasn't updated his blog in quite a long time.

barbedwiresmile
12-08-2012, 07:27
It's called inflation and it's a hidden tax in that most don't understand it.

This simple sentence is the crux of the matter. Volumes have been written. It is a subject matter unto itself. And, most fundamentally, it is the entire point of fiat central banking.

Interestingly, many a Founding Father exhibited acute prescience in his warnings on this subject.

This 'stealth tax' is the lifeblood of statism- a predatory state cannot exist without it, cannot fund itself. And it is the antithesis of liberty.

It is also the least understood subject. As such, no challenge to the paradigm exists in the modern USA, rendering any change to the current economic or political dynamics impossible. Absent an understanding of fiat central banking, all other observations are either window dressing, or planned distractions.

barbedwiresmile
12-08-2012, 07:41
Yeah, sure accross the board. :upeyes: Again with the generalizations. That answer is getting old and adds nothing to the discussion (although I have to agree with that somewhat). Do you use a 4 or 6 inch brush? Some people aren't as lucky (or intelligent) as you are and ALWAYS have the right answer the first time. Sometimes mere mortals make a mistake and then change their minds after they realize that. No need to continue to ridicule them. You win. You have, and will always be, the right one around here. I agree with most things you bring up (not that that matters to you), but your insulting delivery is annoying, and won't convince anybody of anything.


I apologize to you, sir, if you found unnecessary rancor in my posts. That is not my intent. My sarcasm is tongue-in-cheek, mocking the absurdity of it all, with no malice intended.

That said, I must ask myself, when 'conservatives' "make a mistake and then change their minds after they realize that" repeatedly, over a period of years or even decades, when is it no longer a mistake? We must strive for pattern recognition if we are to understand modern political and economic dynamics. Only then can we hope to positively augment (or better, replace) the paradigm.

The alternative is to participate in, rather than challenge, kleptocracy.

But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. These are just words. And what we do here is talk. Just like our politicians. The time for action is long passed, and our discussions are purely academic. We no longer hold, as a people, a philosophical commitment to, or even understanding of, liberty.

G29Reload
12-08-2012, 11:15
I thought Boehner was swell according to GT 'conservatives' six months ago?

Horses@#%.

NO ONE ever stated that.

He was barely a few steps above Romney. He was a "he'll do for now" kind of guy…more of a placeholder, expected to hold the line if nothing else and nothing spectacular was ever expected of him.

The level of perfidy we've been hearing about in the past few days targeting tea-party driven house members is a new low. The worst I had heard previously was that he referred to hard liners as "knuckledraggers" which was obviously offensive but seemed to just reinforce him as less strident. That he actually took action against anyone on his own side is a new event that is beyond the pale.

No one here has EVER stated a preference for him and you're dishonest or short of memory to even suggest it.

G29Reload
12-08-2012, 11:27
What do you mean, if?

He's been backpedaling a little. Another reason he has to go.

Even when he's being a traitor he's inconsistent.

This is why Obama won. I despise him and so does at least half the country. That said ©, I think Obama actually believes what he says as do his followers. He's a true believer, committed, strident, dogmatic, unwilling to compromise and brings his passion to an enunciated view that never waivers and speaks to it constantly. He knows he has lie occasionally and will stumble then, but he stays on message and that repeated hammering is what turns the weak, vacillating and envious over to his side.

We need a conservative leader who does not wilt but answers again loudly and repeatedly with conservatism as his first language because he knows it as truth. Who knows that only in polite society is it inappropriate to respond to the deceitful and boorish who lie, but that it is mandatory in public discourse with a knife wielding thug in the political arena.

Boehner sees everything thru the lens of his own survival and is clueless to why the other side won, but knows that they did and wants some of that win so is willing to compromise as though success might transfer. He's a government bureaucrat who wants perpetuate his position at any cost and is bereft of any true principle except self-preservation.

QNman
12-08-2012, 13:01
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it IS too late. The repubican party is dead. They have cooked their own goose......

YMMV

Yup.

The Republicans are so busy playing defense and trying to "make nice" with the Dems that they have become worthless sock puppets.

Kablam
12-08-2012, 22:36
I apologize to you, sir, if you found unnecessary rancor in my posts. That is not my intent. My sarcasm is tongue-in-cheek, mocking the absurdity of it all, with no malice intended.

That said, I must ask myself, when 'conservatives' "make a mistake and then change their minds after they realize that" repeatedly, over a period of years or even decades, when is it no longer a mistake? We must strive for pattern recognition if we are to understand modern political and economic dynamics. Only then can we hope to positively augment (or better, replace) the paradigm.

The alternative is to participate in, rather than challenge, kleptocracy.

But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. These are just words. And what we do here is talk. Just like our politicians. The time for action is long passed, and our discussions are purely academic. We no longer hold, as a people, a philosophical commitment to, or even understanding of, liberty.

Fair enough, sir.

QNman
12-08-2012, 22:50
He's been backpedaling a little. Another reason he has to go.

Even when he's being a traitor he's inconsistent.

This is why Obama won. I despise him and so does at least half the country. That said ©, I think Obama actually believes what he says as do his followers. He's a true believer, committed, strident, dogmatic, unwilling to compromise and brings his passion to an enunciated view that never waivers and speaks to it constantly. He knows he has lie occasionally and will stumble then, but he stays on message and that repeated hammering is what turns the weak, vacillating and envious over to his side.

We need a conservative leader who does not wilt but answers again loudly and repeatedly with conservatism as his first language because he knows it as truth. Who knows that only in polite society is it inappropriate to respond to the deceitful and boorish who lie, but that it is mandatory in public discourse with a knife wielding thug in the political arena.

Boehner sees everything thru the lens of his own survival and is clueless to why the other side won, but knows that they did and wants some of that win so is willing to compromise as though success might transfer. He's a government bureaucrat who wants perpetuate his position at any cost and is bereft of any true principle except self-preservation.

That, sir, is exceptionally well stated.

marchboom
12-09-2012, 00:46
I've started emailing my congressman, Frank Wolf.

Daily.

If Boehner agrees to raise taxes, theres no further point to republicans in DC. Said as much.

We do not have a revenue problem we have a spending problem.

The purge of Tea Party oriented members has to stop--NOW.

Without the Tea Party, Boehner would not be speaker.

John Boehner is a feckless, gutless coward and spiteful against his own party to boot. We will not survive with him as leader.

We need a revolt before its too late.

No doubt about it. If he caves and sells out to the democrats, why bother having a Republican party?

He definitely has to go.

The last thing we expect from him would be to go along with the America destroying democrat party.