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Gunnut 45/454
12-10-2012, 09:12
Remember back when the Bailout of the Automaker was in the news and we had alot of video of these Union workers drinking and smoke dope on video. Though they got fired and were gone for good. Well guess what they are all back on the job building cars again with back pay! Yep the good old unions forced the auto makers to take them back! Great example of why the unions are bad for buisness. You can't even fire drunks and druggies. So much for safety on the job! :steamed: Thank God Michigan is going right to work!:supergrin:

sheriff733
12-10-2012, 09:19
IIRC, they were Chrysler employees.

That explains SO much.

CitizenOfDreams
12-10-2012, 09:30
IIRC, they were Chrysler employees.

That explains SO much.

Yep, explains the flickering LED brake light.
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1456749

JFrame
12-10-2012, 09:56
Kind'a makes you realize why the unions in Michigan are so stridently opposed to "right to work" laws -- I mean, who wants laws that could potentially impact a person's right to drink and get stoned at lunchtime? :dunno:


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Snowman92D
12-10-2012, 16:52
Uh...uh...getting drunk and stoned at lunchtime makes employees more creative. Most do their best work when they got a buzz on, or at least they believe so, so it's not really 'fair' to fire them. :rofl:

JFrame
12-10-2012, 17:11
Uh...uh...getting drunk and stoned at lunchtime makes employees more creative. Most do their best work when they got a buzz on, or at least they believe so, so it's not really 'fair' to fire them. :rofl:


"Dude -- you mean that was a CAR I was assembling...? Wow -- totally awesome, dude!"

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Chuck TX
12-10-2012, 18:21
IIRC, they were Chrysler employees.

That explains SO much.

Finally, it all makes sense now. :rofl:

I wonder if they vacuum the Funyuns crumbs out before it ships or if it's left up to the dealer.

m51
12-10-2012, 18:34
Kind'a makes you realize why the unions in Michigan are so stridently opposed to "right to work" laws -- I mean, who wants laws that could potentially impact a person's right to drink and get stoned at lunchtime? :dunno:


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Yeah all those unions are terrible, isn't it great that workers in "right to work states" make $5500 less per year than their union state counterparts. Hmm, more for the executives and less for the workers. Hooray for the workers in the right to work states!

JFrame
12-10-2012, 19:06
Yeah all those unions are terrible, isn't it great that workers in "right to work states" make $5500 less per year than their union state counterparts. Hmm, more for the executives and less for the workers. Hooray for the workers in the right to work states!

It's obvious that right-to-work states employees are underpaid, and that union employees aren't overpaid, isn't it? :upeyes:


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m51
12-10-2012, 19:20
It's obvious that right-to-work states employees are underpaid, and that union employees aren't overpaid, isn't it? :upeyes:


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No not overpaid, union workers wages have kept up with inflation. Non union workers have been underpaid because their management knows they can treat them as they wish, no watch dog. It's plain and simple economics, non union workers get the shaft while their management or business owners get the lions share.

JFrame
12-10-2012, 19:22
It's plain and simple economics

Because you say so? :upeyes:


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Snowman92D
12-10-2012, 19:36
Because you say so? :upeyes:


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Well...you have to admit that Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Che Guevara agree with him.

Oh...the fat-cat union bosses do, too. In right-to-work states it's hard to shake all the workers down for cash to live the sweet life and have extra to give to friendly politicians. How else can the Democratic Party survive without extortion...?

JFrame
12-10-2012, 19:43
Well...you have to admit that Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Che Guevara agree with him.

I thought I had heard those words before... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC_thinking.gif

Oh...the fat-cat union bosses do, too. In right-to-work states it's hard to shake all the workers down for cash to live the sweet life and have extra to give to friendly politicians. How else can the Democratic Party survive without extortion...?

My b-in-law was a union steward for an industry that had a massive economic shake-out a couple of decades ago. Most of his grief came from the union members, whose lifestyles of beach houses and extra sports cars didn't mesh with economic reality. It left him with a bad taste for unions.


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m51
12-10-2012, 19:52
Well...you have to admit that Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Che Guevara agree with him.

Oh...the fat-cat union bosses do, too. In right-to-work states it's hard to shake all the workers down for cash to live the sweet life and have extra to give to friendly politicians. How else can the Democratic Party survive without extortion...?

Some day try no faux news, your head will start to clear and you will see the real world. Union dues are very cheap for what results are earned. Keep feeding yourself with that BS, you will never see the real facts.

countrygun
12-10-2012, 20:57
Yeah all those unions are terrible, isn't it great that workers in "right to work states" make $5500 less per year than their union state counterparts. Hmm, more for the executives and less for the workers. Hooray for the workers in the right to work states!

I want to buy products made in right-to-work states. They cost less. If I were running a business that used parts or materials from off-site, I would definitely buy from right-to-work States so I could offer my product at a better price.

TK-421
12-10-2012, 21:12
Does not surprise me in the least. Now if only we can figure out how to get the rest of the country to wise up to just how "useful" unions really are. Seems like unions are are really good at making it hard to fire useless workers, and lining the pockets of union bigwigs.

Gunnut 45/454
12-10-2012, 21:13
m51
Well I was going to start a new thread on the latest union move but I'll stick here instead! Now reported the Teacher unions in Detroit Metro are going to shut down all inner city schools so they can go protest at the capital! I sure hope it's all unpaid protest time cause they are sure ****ing over all the students and parents !! Well actually it might be a good thing as most of the teacher don't actually teach anything anyway! As we see by the average Grad rate of below 50%!!! Now there's a bunch of useless union workers!:steamed:

ChuteTheMall
12-10-2012, 21:30
:patriot:

I love to buy American, but only if I can be assured it was built by non-union workers in a right to work state.

And I'll never buy another GM or Chrysler product.:nutcheck:

countrygun
12-10-2012, 22:42
No not overpaid, union workers wages have kept up with inflation. Non union workers have been underpaid because their management knows they can treat them as they wish, no watch dog. It's plain and simple economics, non union workers get the shaft while their management or business owners get the lions share.

And those poor non-union workers don't have anyone to stand up and force the employers to continue to employ them after they have been caught drinking and smoking dope on their breaks.

You would think that the owners of companies in this Country actually think they own the company, the nerve of them.

I tell you, it is Hell out there without a union to protect your right to get loaded at work:upeyes:

TK-421
12-10-2012, 22:48
m51
Well I was going to start a new thread on the latest union move but I'll stick here instead! Now reported the Teacher unions in Detroit Metro are going to shut down all inner city schools so they can go protest at the capital! I sure hope it's all unpaid protest time cause they are sure ****ing over all the students and parents !! Well actually it might be a good thing as most of the teacher don't actually teach anything anyway! As we see by the average Grad rate of below 50%!!! Now there's a bunch of useless union workers!:steamed:

I'm not entirely sure the teachers are entirely to blame. I think it's also partly the kids who are to blame too. Too often do I see kids busy dicking around on an electronic device of sort or another, instead of actually paying attention. No matter how awesome the teacher is, if the kid doesn't want to be taught, he's not going to be taught. While I do agree that teachers definitely seem to be lacking, they're not solely to blame.

But I do think that if we paid teachers what we thought our kids education was worth, more people might actually want to be teachers.

kirgi08
12-11-2012, 02:23
Whom needed ta be bailed out and why.'08. :upeyes:

kenpoprofessor
12-11-2012, 03:16
I'm not entirely sure the teachers are entirely to blame. I think it's also partly the kids who are to blame too. Too often do I see kids busy dicking around on an electronic device of sort or another, instead of actually paying attention. No matter how awesome the teacher is, if the kid doesn't want to be taught, he's not going to be taught. While I do agree that teachers definitely seem to be lacking, they're not solely to blame.

But I do think that if we paid teachers what we thought our kids education was worth, more people might actually want to be teachers.

Have you ever once thought, wow, my parents didn't teach me anything, and they're the ones who brought me into this world? Maybe the parents should be responsible for educating their children, not the rest of society?

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

clancy
12-11-2012, 04:14
Finally, it all makes sense now. :rofl:

I wonder if they vacuum the Funyuns crumbs out before it ships or if it's left up to the dealer.

When I worked for a Chevy dealer we actually had an '09 Impala come in with a problem with the electric window closing much slower on the passenger door. When the technician removed the door panel he found a half full bag of potato chips left there by whoever assembled the door at the factory. He said it wasn't the first time he found things like that.

Aren't unions great?

ChuteTheMall
12-11-2012, 04:20
When I worked for a Chevy dealer we actually had an '09 Impala come in with a problem with the electric window closing much slower on the passenger door. When the technician removed the door panel he found a half full bag of potato chips left there by whoever assembled the door at the factory. He said it wasn't the first time he found things like that.

Aren't unions great?

I heard a similar story long ago about an empty Coke bottle deliberately tied hanging inside a fender panel way back in the 1960's, so it would make mysterious thumping noises during cornering. Overpaid union goons are easily bored.

cowboywannabe
12-11-2012, 04:31
whats the problem with right to work states? if a union gives a good deal they will have no problem getting their membership up.

if they dont deliver a worker neednt pay dues and can still work to make a living.

when you threaten power you get this type of banter.

stevelyn
12-11-2012, 05:15
:patriot:

I love to buy American, but only if I can be assured it was built by non-union workers in a right to work state.

And I'll never buy another GM or Chrysler product.:nutcheck:

Same here.

Funny how all the non-union built Japanese vehicles consistently get higher reliability and quality ratings than the UAW built garbage does.

Plus the Japanese vehicles are built in the US, in right-to-work states. I've also never heard of their employees whining about their employers like the UAW pukes do.

Brucev
12-11-2012, 05:44
No not overpaid, union workers wages have kept up with inflation. Non union workers have been underpaid because their management knows they can treat them as they wish, no watch dog. It's plain and simple economics, non union workers get the shaft while their management or business owners get the lions share.

This is GT. You must not say such things at GT. It upsets most the folks at GT. They have problems with the truth.

walt cowan
12-11-2012, 06:43
IIRC, they were Chrysler employees.

That explains SO much.

thats why mopar has made crap since the 70's.

cowboywannabe
12-11-2012, 06:59
people should not be forced to pay somebody else so that they can go to work.

MZBKA
12-11-2012, 07:16
I'm glad Right To Work is coming to this state.

GlockRik
12-11-2012, 07:26
I worked in union shops in right to work states for 30+ years. I did see some pretty disgusting things but many of you have no idea what you're talking about.

on a typical auto assembly line, a car passes a staion every 40 seconds. if you're hanging bumpers there are no excuses or stopping the line to take a whizz, or a drink or a toke. you do the job or are escorted out because the guy above you, who is not union, knows he is going out if the line stops for nogood reason.

the difference is that the union usually gets the member back and the guy in management is usually gone for good.

series1811
12-11-2012, 09:02
I hope the governor vetoes it. More work for people in my state that has a Nissan and a Toyota (non-union) plant located here.

MoCop
12-11-2012, 09:07
Have you ever once thought, wow, my parents didn't teach me anything, and they're the ones who brought me into this world? Maybe the parents should be responsible for educating their children, not the rest of society?

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

So true, Kempoprofessor.

cowboywannabe
12-11-2012, 09:23
why are the unions complaining? nobody said they are getting rid of the unions, theyre just saying a worker cannot be forced into paying......oh i get it. never mind.

Snowman92D
12-11-2012, 15:54
Some day try no faux news, your head will start to clear and you will see the real world. Union dues are very cheap for what results are earned. Keep feeding yourself with that BS, you will never see the real facts.

I don't have to watch the TV, Skippy.

Just stand on the sidewalk and see all the Commie-red Che Guevara T-shirts that the pro-union stooges are wearing at your local anti-right to work street demonstration. Is bad-mouthing "faux news" the only comeback they taught you at commie-camp? :rofl:

IGotIt
12-11-2012, 15:55
Amazing, get caught dead nutz doing wrong, and get your job back with seniority.

Snowman92D
12-11-2012, 15:57
This is GT. You must not say such things at GT. It upsets most the folks at GT. They have problems with the truth.

Yeah...like the high wages that "union" workers get in communist China. :whistling:

ChuteTheMall
12-11-2012, 21:58
I don't have to watch the TV, Skippy.

Just stand on the sidewalk and see all the Commie-red Che Guevara T-shirts that the pro-union stooges are wearing at your local anti-right to work street demonstration. Is bad-mouthing "faux news" the only comeback they taught you at commie-camp? :rofl:



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The have to protect the flags behind glass when these commies are rioting against freedom.

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Fellow travelers.

cowboywannabe
12-11-2012, 22:04
I dont get it. Nobody is saying do away with the unions, theyre just allowing workers to have the right to work.

Dont unions want workers to have rights?

TK-421
12-11-2012, 22:10
I dont get it. Nobody is saying do away with the unions, theyre just allowing workers to have the right to work.

Dont unions want workers to have rights?

No, no, you got it wrong. Unions want money, **** the workers. They only care about the workers when there are issues that might affect the flow of money lining their pockets. :rofl:

cowboywannabe
12-11-2012, 22:22
no, no, you got it wrong. Unions want money, **** the workers. They only care about the workers when there are issues that might affect the flow of money lining their pockets. :rofl:

my post was tongue in cheek, im well aware of what many of today's unions are about.

Some really are needed to protect good workers, most (union bosses) are in it for themselves....

ChuteTheMall
12-12-2012, 09:21
Good workers are hurt by unions, who represent the average workers, benefitting primarily the marginal performers.

A good worker with the ability to compete in a free market has his earnings limited by union membership,
just as much as a worthless employee with no productive value has his earnings artificially increased be union membership,
which claims to represent the so-called average worker.

But there are no average workers if everyone is either above average or below average.

Cowards can't compete without hiring gangsters to bribe the officials.

Kablam
12-12-2012, 10:48
Good workers are hurt by unions, who represent the average workers, benefitting primarily the marginal performers.

A good worker with the ability to compete in a free market has his earnings limited by union membership,
just as much as a worthless employee with no productive value has his earnings artificially increased be union membership,
which claims to represent the so-called average worker.But there are no average workers if everyone is either above average or below average.

Cowards can't compete without hiring gangsters to bribe the officials.

That sure sounds like a familiar philosphy in this "new" order society we live in. Equal outcome (not equal opportunity) guaranteed.

Back to the OP. All you guys defending the fairness of unions. Should the guys caught smoking dope and drinking on their breaks NOT have been fired for violating policy? And should the company have been forced to hire them back with back pay? How do you pro union folks justify that??