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bac1023
12-10-2012, 09:59
oops! :embarassed:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5317114#post5317114

This is why I love GT and many knowledgeable members we have here. :cool:

fnfalman
12-10-2012, 10:13
Since that the gun is based on the Colt Mustang...I'd dare say that it isn't in the M1911 family.

JAS104
12-10-2012, 10:16
Its aight Bac... We'll back you up :cool:

G21FAN
12-10-2012, 10:21
Seemed to me the poster was looking to be offended. To me BAC did not come across as critical or contrite in any way.

faawrenchbndr
12-10-2012, 10:28
Wow,........it's all good Brian.
Anyone with half a clue knows what you meant.

JAS104
12-10-2012, 10:38
Seemed to me the poster was looking to be offended. To me BAC did not come across as critical or contrite in any way.

I was thinking the same thing. I feel like the OP was asking for it. Bac didnt come off as offensive. Tell the other guy the tampons fell out of his purse.

Baba Louie
12-10-2012, 10:39
Well, there's 1911s, 1911-A1s (do Colt Gold Cups, 1991s and Commanders count? :supergrin:) and then there's the 1911 "family and related friends"; and apparently, there are some people (but not the OP) who get their knickers in a twist rather easily... muahaha

I mean, is a Norwegian 1914 a 1911? Or an Argentine 1927? Technically no and maybe yes? :dunno:

But it is a nice little collection as noted.

glock2740
12-10-2012, 10:39
I think BlueTrain's post was the most "offensive" of the bunch. You were just calling it like it was. You didn't have to tell him it was a nice collection, but you did anyway.

faawrenchbndr
12-10-2012, 11:08
I'm not a member there......may be a good thing.
Seems some people over there have been sitting on the beach
without knickers on. :whistling:

matt_lowry123
12-10-2012, 11:42
What a bunch of dumb asses

bac1023
12-10-2012, 11:43
I think BlueTrain's post was the most "offensive" of the bunch. You were just calling it like it was. You didn't have to tell him it was a nice collection, but you did anyway.

Yeah, BlueTrain's was definitely worse and I din't agree with what he said.

However, my comment started it. I couldn't resist. There is no way the Sig P238 is a 1911.

bac1023
12-10-2012, 11:45
Its aight Bac... We'll back you up :cool:

Thanks, my friend.

I'm not asking for backup, but I appreciate the gesture. I just wanted to see everyone's reaction here. Some of these other forums are ridiculous.

JAS104
12-10-2012, 11:46
There is NO way a sig p238 is a 1911 lol.
You were quite justified there, my friend. Good think I'm not a member there either. I was on PAFOA for a while, but moved over to here.

ajgranda
12-10-2012, 12:03
There is NO way a sig p238 is a 1911 lol.
You were quite justified there, my friend. Good think I'm not a member there either. I was on PAFOA for a while, but moved over to here.

Yep, the Sig P238 is as much a 1911 as a Sig SAO P220. Both are nice guns, but not 1911s.

SigFTW
12-10-2012, 12:24
I don't see how they could have taken what you sad as being harsh to the OP. I guess some are looking for internet fights :dunno:

faawrenchbndr
12-10-2012, 12:29
Sand in va-J-J

pochis
12-10-2012, 12:41
i got kicked off that sight for repeating something i heard two guys talking about, it was shtf in this country.:steamed:

Batesmotel
12-10-2012, 12:49
Some people are just looking to be offended.

bac1023
12-10-2012, 14:47
i got kicked off that sight for repeating something i heard two guys talking about, it was shtf in this country.:steamed:

Yeah, some of these sites are ridiculous.

bac1023
12-10-2012, 14:50
I don't see how they could have taken what you sad as being harsh to the OP. I guess some are looking for internet fights :dunno:

Exactly

bac1023
12-10-2012, 14:51
Sand in va-J-J

:rofl::rofl:

janice6
12-10-2012, 14:54
Some see confrontation in anything.

JAS104
12-10-2012, 15:32
Sand in va-J-J

lmfao :rofl:

Quack
12-10-2012, 15:37
gotta cause trouble, don't ya? :animlol:

bac1023
12-10-2012, 15:49
gotta cause trouble, don't ya? :animlol:

I sure do, Don :supergrin:

Quack
12-10-2012, 16:02
If it's not that, it's getting people to spend $$$$$$ on guns. :lol:

countrygun
12-10-2012, 16:12
Sand in va-J-J

Well, no, to be technical it is "Sand in the Mangina"

actually what bac said was, if anything, an open door to discuss "what DOES "Make" a 1911?". At what point is something NOT a 1911, A Star, a Lama, a Ballester-Molina?

I think it's a great topic for discussion, without panty-wads.

bac1023
12-10-2012, 16:39
If it's not that, it's getting people to spend $$$$$$ on guns. :lol:

Yeah, that too. ;)

bac1023
12-10-2012, 16:44
Well, no, to be technical it is "Sand in the Mangina"

actually what bac said was, if anything, an open door to discuss "what DOES "Make" a 1911?". At what point is something NOT a 1911, A Star, a Lama, a Ballester-Molina?

I think it's a great topic for discussion, without panty-wads.

Yep

I have a Star Model B and while its a very good, solid gun, its no 1911.

Neither is the Molina (which I also plan to get at some point).


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38 Super Fan
12-10-2012, 18:38
Been a while since I've been over on that forum, never was a huge fan of that place.

bac1023
12-10-2012, 18:46
Been a while since I've been over on that forum, never was a huge fan of that place.

I rarely post there, Cody. :)

happy seal
12-10-2012, 19:55
"So I can rob you", :rofl: :faint: :dunno:

Fricckin funny!

matt_lowry123
12-10-2012, 21:00
Hahahahaha I looked at it again. You told that guy the sig doesn't count. That takes 20% away from his collection. Then you told him you guess his 22lr might count.

Now if we have the same "might." That means no way in hell, but I'll say it in a nice way. So now 40% of his collection is wrong.

I'm with you though!! I have one of those sigs, and I'd never count that as one.

bac1023
12-10-2012, 21:37
Hahahahaha I looked at it again. You told that guy the sig doesn't count. That takes 20% away from his collection. Then you told him you guess his 22lr might count.

Now if we have the same "might." That means no way in hell, but I'll say it in a nice way. So now 40% of his collection is wrong.

I'm with you though!! I have one of those sigs, and I'd never count that as one.

Yeah, absolutely not. I was trying to be nice.

I don't even count my Coonan, which is a hell of a lot closer to a 1911 than either of those Sigs.

bac1023
12-10-2012, 21:40
"So I can rob you", :rofl: :faint: :dunno:

Fricckin funny!

Yeah, I try to stay low profile over there as well as most forums.

Having said that, the maturity level over there is pretty weak.

countrygun
12-10-2012, 22:28
Some folks just have to face the fact that "1911" and "1911A1" are terms that refer to specific things. How long could you get away with calling all 2" DA .38s "Detective Specials" or all polymer striker -fired autos "Glocks"? After all it's a GUN forum not the mainstream media, there is a responsibility to use the correct terms

I can't see getting all twisted at somebody for being correct. Most folks with the correct number of chromosomes outgrow that by age 10 or so.

MD357
12-10-2012, 23:07
Not to make waves here ( :supergrin: ) but what's the point in correcting him? I could point out all sorts of hypocrisy compromising specific 1911 nomenclature all over THIS forum but life is too short.

bac1023
12-10-2012, 23:25
Not to make waves here ( :supergrin: ) but what's the point in correcting him? I could point out all sorts of hypocrisy compromising specific 1911 nomenclature all over THIS forum but life is too short.There really was no point.

It was just for conversation.

12131
12-11-2012, 00:31
At least a couple of folks in that thread know what a 1911 is. The rest just got butt hurt.

cangler
12-11-2012, 17:15
wait wait.... so my hi-point isn't a TRUE 1911 ????:crying:

jfost11
12-11-2012, 17:48
I'm sure the person bac1023 upset was, as someone else told bac in another thread, ...a guy with a proven track record...a well renown proffesional:whistling:bac1023, you're on a roll with those guys aren't you?:rofl:

gunsmoke92
12-11-2012, 20:59
I can't believe those folks got their panties in a bunch over what you said. :wow: It was an observation with a compliment attached. You didn't talk about his Mother in a previous thread did you? :whistling:

m2hmghb
12-11-2012, 21:52
That used to be a good forum, it was the first one I ever joined. Sad how it's become.

countrygun
12-11-2012, 22:18
Blame Bush. It works for everything else.

sawgrass
12-11-2012, 22:20
There is a made up word for that kind of behavior.
I call it "Pego". :supergrin:

RJ's Guns
12-11-2012, 22:33
Bac

I am a little embarrassed to admit that I have been somewhat loose (i.e. not always technically correct) in what I have termed a 1911, for lack of a better generic term for that basic configuration of a single action 45 ACP auto-loader. I do understand the changes that have been made over time, such as, for example with Colt series 70 and series 80 pistols. What generic term (if there is one) would you suggest that I use that is more technically correct.

Thanks
RJ

1911Tuner
12-12-2012, 03:11
bac, you've discovered as I have that one can become unpopular on internet gun forums and in gun shops by pointing to a simple truth...and many people will fight an education tooth and nail.

Using the term "1911 variant" doesn't seem to evoke quite the same level of hostility as simply stating that not even the Colt Commanders and Combat Commanders are real 1911s.

MD357
12-12-2012, 07:40
I'm just curious if any of the label police here visit other gun forums. If you do, please come get me when you head over to arfcom, M4Carbine, AKfiles, etc to explain in the 12,913,801,280 mislabeled threads concerning what are honestly "variants."

bac1023
12-12-2012, 07:54
Blame Bush. It works for everything else.

:rofl:

bac1023
12-12-2012, 07:56
I can't believe those folks got their panties in a bunch over what you said. :wow: It was an observation with a compliment attached. You didn't talk about his Mother in a previous thread did you? :whistling:

:rofl:

I'd like to say so, but I don't post much over there. ;)

bac1023
12-12-2012, 08:22
Bac

I am a little embarrassed to admit that I have been somewhat loose (i.e. not always technically correct) in what I have termed a 1911, for lack of a better generic term for that basic configuration of a single action 45 ACP auto-loader. I do understand the changes that have been made over time, such as, for example with Colt series 70 and series 80 pistols. What generic term (if there is one) would you suggest that I use that is more technically correct.

Thanks
RJ

RJ, I'm not sure there is a correct term. I consider commanders and even smaller varients (though I don't buy them) to be 1911s. They are still the same scale, even though the barrel and slide and in some cases, the frame is shorter.

Even if they aren't chambered in 45ACP, I still consider them 1911s (though, again, I don't buy them). The P238 has virually nothing in common with a full scale 1911. Everything is smaller and even then, doesn't use the same style small parts. The rimfires are different internally. They are basically just a replica from an outward appearance.

Again, this is my opinion. I really don't care what people call their stuff. I was just making conversation in that thread. When I open a thread labeled "My 1911 family" and see a P238 pictured, I figured I would mention it. :)

JAS104
12-12-2012, 08:56
RJ, I'm not sure there is a correct term. I consider commanders and even smaller varients (though I don't buy them) to be 1911s. They are still the same scale, even though the barrel and slide and in some cases, the frame is shorter.

Even if they aren't chambered in 45ACP, I still consider them 1911s (though, again, I don't buy them). The P238 has virually nothing in common with a full scale 1911. Everything is smaller and even then, doesn't use the same style small parts. The rimfires are different internally. They are basically just a replica from an outward appearance.

Again, this is my opinion. I really don't care what people call their stuff. I was just making conversation in that thread. When I open a thread labeled "My 1911 family" and see a P238 pictured, I figured I would mention it. :)

Again, there is no way a P238 is a 1911, lol.
Is this still going on? As you said Bac its only from an outward appearabce that these micro pistols could be considered a Glock. Its like, if you put a Mercedes front bumper on a toyota camry, does that make the toyota a mercedes? No.. its Still a toyota. Tellin you these Firingline guys are some funny dudes :tongueout:

RJ's Guns
12-12-2012, 13:11
RJ, I'm not sure there is a correct term. I consider commanders and even smaller varients (though I don't buy them) to be 1911s. They are still the same scale, even though the barrel and slide and in some cases, the frame is shorter.

Even if they aren't chambered in 45ACP, I still consider them 1911s (though, again, I don't buy them). The P238 has virually nothing in common with a full scale 1911. Everything is smaller and even then, doesn't use the same style small parts. The rimfires are different internally. They are basically just a replica from an outward appearance.

Again, this is my opinion. I really don't care what people call their stuff. I was just making conversation in that thread. When I open a thread labeled "My 1911 family" and see a P238 pictured, I figured I would mention it. :)



Bac

I agree with you and I strive to be technically correct whenever possible, but that presents a conflict when I try to communicate to the uninformed masses. I was hoping that you had a solution to this dilemma.

What I do know is the older that I get, the less motivated I become to try to educate or enlighten people. I tend to let them just continue with their ignorance. Another observation that I have made through my practice of law,; people have paid me substantial amounts of money for the very same advice and/or analysis of a situation that I give to my loved ones for free. The people that pay, value what I say and try to follow my advice, my loved ones usually ignore what I have to say and go about on their own paths.

As stated previously; “life is too short” to suffer the slings and arrows from the brain dead masses.

RJ
PS on this forum do you prefer to be called Brian or Bac

bac1023
12-12-2012, 13:56
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]RJ
PS on this forum do you prefer to be called Brian or Bac

RJ, it honestly doesn't matter to me. Either is fine. :)

Thanks for asking.

bac1023
12-12-2012, 13:56
Is this still going on?

I think it died out by now. :)

bac1023
12-12-2012, 16:10
I'm just curious if any of the label police here visit other gun forums. If you do, please come get me when you head over to arfcom, M4Carbine, AKfiles, etc to explain in the 12,913,801,280 mislabeled threads concerning what are honestly "variants."

All jokes aside, I wouldn't even know where to begin in the world of semi auto rifles.

I do know the term "AR" is used very loosely in the gun world.

m2hmghb
12-12-2012, 23:50
Tuner you're the one who got me started in 1911s over on TFL. That was back around 99 or so.

SonnyCrockett
12-13-2012, 04:24
that websight and its admins are HARSH,been banned there once too
But I agree SIG 22 is not a 1911 nor even a good 22 IMO......Actually all
SIGs 1911s are not 1911s,even in 45ACP if you want to get technical

bac1023
12-13-2012, 05:02
that websight and its admins are HARSH,been banned there once too
But I agree SIG 22 is not a 1911 nor even a good 22 IMO......Actually all
SIGs 1911s are not 1911s,even in 45ACP if you want to get technical

I don't realy care for any of the rimfire 1911 replicas or the other rimfire service pistol replicas. They're all cheap, pot metal junk as far as I'm concerned. They are pretty much airsoft-quality firearms, built by an airsoft company.

Most may work well, but, for the money, I'll take a real rimfire such as a Browning Buck Mark or Ruger Mark Series.

BuckyP
12-13-2012, 06:20
Everyone is entitled to their opinion about what a 1911 is. I never take offense at your refusal to acknowledge my "wide body" 1911s as.... 1911s. :tongueout::tongueout:

Seriously though, you much better off here. :supergrin:

MD357
12-13-2012, 06:58
Actually all
SIGs 1911s are not 1911s,even in 45ACP if you want to get technical

Please, explain the technicality there.....

bac1023
12-13-2012, 07:14
Everyone is entitled to their opinion about what a 1911 is. I never take offense at your refusal to acknowledge my "wide body" 1911s as.... 1911s. :tongueout::tongueout:


:rofl:

bac1023
12-13-2012, 07:34
that websight and its admins are HARSH,been banned there once too
But I agree SIG 22 is not a 1911 nor even a good 22 IMO......Actually all
SIGs 1911s are not 1911s,even in 45ACP if you want to get technical

Eh, I think Sig 1911s are just as much a 1911 has the dozens of other enhanced guns on the market, including those from Colt. Most Sig 1911slides aren't traditional, but neither are some others.