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cowboy1964
12-11-2012, 20:59
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9738178/Frances-Jean-Marc-Ayrault-slams-flight-of-the-greedy-rich.html

These individuals are leaving "because they want to get even richer," he said

No, they are leaving to avoid outright confiscation by the government. Big difference. But not to these numbskull socialists.

Atlas
12-11-2012, 21:02
Duh-h-h.


WTF were you expecting?

certifiedfunds
12-11-2012, 21:11
Shove it up your ass Mr Ayrault

Atlas
12-11-2012, 21:14
The shame of it all is of course that the majority of those wealthy French will emigrate here to the U.S. where they will face the same damed thing in a few years.

certifiedfunds
12-11-2012, 21:16
The shame of it all is of course that the majority of those wealthy French will emigrate here to the U.S. where they will face the same damed thing in a few years.

That's why we just need a world government with world taxation.

G29Reload
12-11-2012, 21:17
Rich dont remain static. Theyre mobile. They move their cheese when idiot politicians are afoot. The politicians might think theyre the hammer and everything else is a nail to whack. Surprise.

Atlas
12-11-2012, 21:19
Mobility is one of the greatest motivators to achieve wealth.

rj1939
12-12-2012, 05:05
To France's Prime Minister: Time for a quote from John Wayne........."Life is tough, life is tougher when you are stupid".

It is all about cause and effect. duh.

pugman
12-12-2012, 05:37
It hurts my eyes to read this...

"We cannot fight poverty if those with the most, and sometimes with a lot, do not show solidarity and a bit of generosity," he added

Generosity is when my money is given freely. The tax situation they are unveiling is outright theft.

The most damning statement here is "and sometimes with a lot" which basically means...sure I want to screw over the rich...but this is only the begining.

Baba Louie
12-12-2012, 05:44
Well, there's your tame sheep in the meadow, eating grass grown by someone else, led by an appointed shepherd who get sheared on a regular basis. There are a lot of these sheep around. Good Sheep.

Then there's your crafty, harder than hell to catch Wild sheep, who live up in the higher elevations, eat what they can, are quite nimble with great eyesight and have evolved to avoid their enemies. Successful and elusive, but damn few of them. Bad Sheep.

Which ones are the wolves better at eating alive? I bet old "sour Grapes" wolf says bad things about the elusive others as well. I would also bet the meadowed sheep and their shepherd probably don't have many nice things to say about those mountain sheep who don't play fair, as well.

C'est la Vie.

Cavalry Doc
12-12-2012, 06:25
This was so easy to see coming.


SEE WILL SMITH’S SHOCKED REACTION TO FRANCE’S PROPOSED 75% TAX RATE…AFTER JUST ADVOCATING FOR HIGHER TAXES IN U.S. (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/see-will-smiths-shocked-reaction-to-frances-proposed-75-tax-rate-after-just-advocating-for-higher-taxes-in-u-s/)

engineer151515
12-12-2012, 06:41
Wait for the law that allows you to leave, but keep your wealth here.
Plus you forfeit that wealth if you don't return within a year or two.


Coming to a country near you.

walt cowan
12-12-2012, 06:48
best laid plans of mice and men...

callihan_44
12-12-2012, 07:07
COMING TO A KALIFORNIA NEAR YOU...Its already happening though, one customer I have is folding up shop and moving out of california to survive. About 30 employees will be affected so really not even a blip on the radar but enough of em will be...

Atlas
12-12-2012, 07:18
COMING TO A KALIFORNIA NEAR YOU...Its already happening though, one customer I have is folding up shop and moving out of california to survive. About 30 employees will be affected so really not even a blip on the radar but enough of em will be...

It'll be a big blip on the personal radar of those 30 employees.

robertoh
12-12-2012, 07:26
The Repubilcans should hold a press conference tell the Nation they will give Obama what he wants,and Obama will also own the results.I bet the Democrats would yell foul about that also.The Dems.,want the Republicans to be on board in a deal in some way that they(Dems.) could blame the Republicans for the failure that is sure to follow.

Chuck TX
12-12-2012, 08:28
Rich people, and everybody else not on the gubmint tit who strive for financial betterment, don't want a huge % of their earnings confiscated. It's no secret. The problem is the "it's not me" syndrome. Folks don't seem to realize it will affect them, trickle down, and/or eventually they will be the next on the chopping block.


This was so easy to see coming.


SEE WILL SMITH’S SHOCKED REACTION TO FRANCE’S PROPOSED 75% TAX RATE…AFTER JUST ADVOCATING FOR HIGHER TAXES IN U.S. (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/see-will-smiths-shocked-reaction-to-frances-proposed-75-tax-rate-after-just-advocating-for-higher-taxes-in-u-s/)

Looks like Will ain't as jiggy with it as he thought. :rofl:

series1811
12-12-2012, 10:46
Liberals don't get that there is certain tax limit, beyond which, people, one way or the other, legal or illegal, just won't pay.

Even if it means emigrating.

Kablam
12-12-2012, 10:59
Shocking new isn't it? Didn't this just happen in the UK where a bunch of "rich" just disappeared?

"Announcing plans to spend up to 2.5 billion euros by 2017 to help the poor, Mr Ayrault said that poverty affected 12.9 percent of the population in 2002 and rose to 14.1 percent in 2010." No mention of addressing the root casue. Putzes there, putzes here. Looters!

RedNine
12-12-2012, 11:00
Where do they think they're going to defect to?

Looks like Will ain't as jiggly with it as he thought. :rofl:

Have you ever seen the embarrassment in his wife's face when he speaks in public? It is priceless.

pugman
12-12-2012, 11:13
COMING TO A KALIFORNIA NEAR YOU...Its already happening though, one customer I have is folding up shop and moving out of california to survive. About 30 employees will be affected so really not even a blip on the radar but enough of em will be...

California has a lot of problems...but remember..

California is a huge net payer INTO the federal government.

Us Wisconsinites are in the same boat.

If Cali was allowed to keep all its money and not send anything to the fed it could balance its deficit within 3-4 months. It could even address its looming pension problem within a decade.

Wisconsin, California, Texas, Florida, New York - we are all in the same boat...17 or 18 of us states who in a real sense support the federal government.

The problem IS the federal government...

engineer151515
12-12-2012, 15:40
California has a lot of problems...but remember..

California is a huge net payer INTO the federal government.

Us Wisconsinites are in the same boat.

If Cali was allowed to keep all its money and not send anything to the fed it could balance its deficit within 3-4 months. It could even address its looming pension problem within a decade.

Wisconsin, California, Texas, Florida, New York - we are all in the same boat...17 or 18 of us states who in a real sense support the federal government.

The problem IS the federal government...

Ummmm. Perhaps not. At least not per this website.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/02/is-your-state-a-net-giver-or-taker-of-federal-taxes/

For every dollar California pays in Federal taxes, it receives $1.09 in Federal benefits.

Personal Government Benefits include Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, Income Assistance, SNAP, Unemployment Insurance, Veterans Benefits, Education Assistance, Payments to Native Populations, etc.


Although you will get no argument from me that the Federal Government is the problem.

Cavalry Doc
12-12-2012, 16:13
California has a lot of problems...but remember..

California is a huge net payer INTO the federal government.

Us Wisconsinites are in the same boat.

If Cali was allowed to keep all its money and not send anything to the fed it could balance its deficit within 3-4 months. It could even address its looming pension problem within a decade.

Wisconsin, California, Texas, Florida, New York - we are all in the same boat...17 or 18 of us states who in a real sense support the federal government.

The problem IS the federal government...

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/give-take-small-final.png


Yeah, I'm feeling gypped. The people's republic of Kalifornia gets more than they pay in back. Which is kind of the problem.

RedNine
12-12-2012, 20:34
That's our 9 cents they're getting, Doc.

series1811
12-13-2012, 07:30
California has a lot of problems...but remember..

California is a huge net payer INTO the federal government.

Us Wisconsinites are in the same boat.

If Cali was allowed to keep all its money and not send anything to the fed it could balance its deficit within 3-4 months. It could even address its looming pension problem within a decade.

Wisconsin, California, Texas, Florida, New York - we are all in the same boat...17 or 18 of us states who in a real sense support the federal government.

The problem IS the federal government...

Most states would be in the black if they were allowed to spend their own tax money how they wanted. Liberals like to point out that states like Mississippi and Alabama take in more federal money than they send in. But, if the voters of those states were deciding how much welfare to give out instead of the federal government, I promise you there would be plenty of tax money generated internally.

Lots of Red states only take in more than they send to Washington because of laws passed by blue state Congressman. Ninety nine per cent of what is being done by the federal government could be done cheaper and more efficiently by state and local governments, the military included (if we had nothing but National Guard units, do you really think we would be getting invovled in as many foreign wars as we do now?)

So, liberals, feel free to cut that welfare spending and teach us Red States a lesson.

Gunnut 45/454
12-13-2012, 07:46
Stupid Socialists didn't figure out if your going to steal everyones money you have to close your borders first to keep the rich from moving! The one lesson they didn't take from the Soviets and Cubains!!:rofl:

Atlas
12-13-2012, 08:08
Most states would be in the black if they were allowed to spend their own tax money how they wanted. Liberals like to point out that states like Mississippi and Alabama take in more federal money than they send in. But, if the voters of those states were deciding how much welfare to give out instead of the federal government, I promise you there would be plenty of tax money generated internally.

Lots of Red states only take in more than they send to Washington because of laws passed by blue state Congressman. Ninety nine per cent of what is being done by the federal government could be done cheaper and more efficiently by state and local governments, the military included (if we had nothing but National Guard units, do you really think we would be getting invovled in as many foreign wars as we do now?)

So, liberals, feel free to cut that welfare spending and teach us Red States a lesson.

:perfect10:

robertoh
12-13-2012, 09:04
If the "Cliff" is avoided,I wonder if our super rich Hollywood celeberities will line up like sheep to give Obama 38% of their income to him.After all almost all of them campaigned for the Great One.:whistling:

PocketProtector
12-13-2012, 09:07
Who is John Galt-ier' ?

certifiedfunds
12-13-2012, 10:35
Where are GTs resident socialists on this one?

pugman
12-13-2012, 17:19
Ummmm. Perhaps not. At least not per this website.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/02/is-your-state-a-net-giver-or-taker-of-federal-taxes/

For every dollar California pays in Federal taxes, it receives $1.09 in Federal benefits.


Although you will get no argument from me that the Federal Government is the problem.

Why I have a difficult time with this one site.

http://visualizingeconomics.com/blog/2010/02/17/federal-taxes-paidreceived-for-each-state

Result: California is a net payer

http://taxfoundation.org/tax-topics/federal-taxes-paid-vs-spending-received-state

Result: California is a net payer (albeit their data is a bit old with the most recent being 2005)

My local Big 10 school

http://geography.wisc.edu/courses/geog370/s12/pdfs/2012Spring_DanielHudec.pdf

Although this looks to be a paper? Result: California is a net payer

Granted this isn't a p*ssing contest; but common sense would make me think California with the largest economy in the U.S (and it make up 1/7 or so of the total..it along with Texas make up about 30%) has to be a net payer.

And I live in Wisconsin and I can tell you this map is dead wrong when it comes to what we pay in vs receive.

Wisconsin has been historically one of the heaviest taxed states for 30 years. If you look at overall tax burden you have Hawaii, California, 6 states in the NE and two between the coasts: us and Ohio.

My eyes are getting old: but I counted 13 states per this site as net payers: and they have some of the smallest economies in the country...Utah, Colorado,

And look at the 10 largest state economies in the country

California
Texas
NY
Florida
IL
Penn
NJ
Ohio
NC
Georgia

There is no way 5 of the largest economies in the country (California, FL, Penn, NC and Georgia) are net takers - these five states (based on the percentages offered by this site) would not only eat up the shortfalls of the other 4 largest economies (with NY being a wash) they would need to eat up the shortfalls of the other states 11 states to the tune of about 1.2 trillion dollars-it doesn't add up. But its federal math...so who really knows I guess.

Then again, the fed has been running a deficit for how long?