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IndianaMatt
12-13-2012, 17:28
Trillions of dollars in the garbage but, much worse, nearly 5,000 American lives wasted.

I wonder if that guy ever thinks what a mistake he made, while he's clearing brush just for fun on his non-working Texas ranch.

Ruggles
12-13-2012, 17:32
Who knows if he does or not, he knows things about why he did what he did that you or I do not.

hogfish
12-13-2012, 17:37
Trillions of dollars in the garbage but, much worse, nearly 5,000 American lives wasted.

I wonder if that guy ever thinks what a mistake he made, while he's clearing brush just for fun on his non-working Texas ranch.

I think he was an honest, good guy that just got duped. So, yeah. :sadangel:

certifiedfunds
12-13-2012, 17:42
Unfortunately it all could have been avoided had Sadaam simply allowed unfettered inspection instead of kicking the inspectors out.

One good thing was that he did it despite the UN which opposed it to protect the illegal trade being engaged in by by various members and foreign heads of state.

I guess in the end if you have a sworn enemy who is working to build a wmd arsenal and won't allow inspections, and sanctions don't work because the thieves in the UN ignore them for personal profit, what choice do you have?

What is particularly interesting is that the entire world's intelligence community agreed that there was an active wmd program underway. The very unfortunate thing involved the fact that the Clinton administration had gutted the CIA so we had no worthwhile intelligence. I guess when it all comes down to it you can easily say that 9/11 and the Iraq war was caused by Bill Clinton.

Keoking
12-13-2012, 17:44
You're kidding, right?

Halliburton and several other companies should build statues of GWB. He made a lot of Americans very rich.

5000 Americans killed? And? They would have died anyways. Sometimes you need to crack a few eggs to accumulate significant wealth.

certifiedfunds
12-13-2012, 17:45
You're kidding, right?

Halliburton and several other companies should build statues of GWB. He made a lot of Americans very rich.

5000 Americans killed? And? They would have died anyways. Sometimes you need to crack a few eggs to accumulate significant wealth.

This is true. Sadaam should have known that you don't give a military industrial complex even a hint of a reason to go to war.

The Machinist
12-13-2012, 17:53
Trillions of dollars in the garbage but, much worse, nearly 5,000 American lives wasted.

I wonder if that guy ever thinks what a mistake he made, while he's clearing brush just for fun on his non-working Texas ranch.
Do you ever lose sleep over the fact that you're a liberal, and everything you stand for makes this world a worse place?

Vic777
12-13-2012, 18:05
Trillions of dollars in the garbageThat money was put to good use feeding soldiers and buying bullets, and Obama has printed that Trillion back anyway and given it to his lieberal supporters, didn't you get any? It doesn't matter anyway, America is over.

Vic777
12-13-2012, 18:15
Sometimes you need to crack a few eggs to accumulate significant wealth.Obama has a better way, he just prints it, and oh ya, you and your kids pay.

jdavionic
12-13-2012, 18:15
Fast foward to the ****** bag that you voted for and is POTUS. Another trolling post by our liberal waste of space.

BORNGEARHEAD
12-13-2012, 18:31
If hell were real, he'd be there.

Gundude
12-13-2012, 18:44
Unfortunately it all could have been avoided had Sadaam simply allowed unfettered inspection instead of kicking the inspectors out.Right. It is essential that third-world dictators not goad us into war. Our prosperity and the lives of our children depend on third-world dictators acting responsibly. How can we not sacrifice trillions of dollars and thousands of lives whenever some two-bit tyrant rattles his sabre? :upeyes:

The US is like Pavlov's dog with tanks.

akroguy
12-13-2012, 18:54
The WMD's were there....and now are in Syria. Saddam moved them ASAP well before we got serious about sending in "inspectors".

We'll get to see them soon enough.

http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2012/12/07/surprise-wmds-from-iraq-were-moved-to-syria-by-saddam-hussein/

TK-421
12-13-2012, 19:02
Only 5,000? Over 10 years of war? Be glad the casualties weren't comparable to WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam. I'd say we did really, really well for only having 5,000 casualties over 10 years. Granted, it's 5,000 more than there should be, but it's nowhere near as bad as it could've been.

PBR Sailor
12-13-2012, 19:04
Given the number of Tier 1 terrorists and intel recovered in Iraq, President Bush saved thousands of U.S. civilian lives that would have been killed on U.S. soil, maybe even your life. Given that he did the right thing, he still cannot sleep well at night with the loss of even one U.S. soldier on his mind. That goes with the territory. It's part of being President.

I am sure that a lot of people who glean all of their information from the internet, college professors and U.S. news agencies will now start their attack on my post. Spending one week on vacation in Egypt or Lebanon will not give you the same perspective as many who have been deployed in hostile areas for extended periods of time. Watch BBC World News, Al Jazeera D.C. Bureau, subscribe to overseas newspapers, etc. and get the perspective of overseas reporters in addition to those who have been there and done that.

Freedom is not free, someone always has to pay for that Freedom, and the fight is best fought off U.S. soil.

To answer your question directly, I am sure that President Bush and President Obama do not sleep well at night.

GT4494
12-13-2012, 19:26
I would let this video and the fact that on the occasions that he went to Dover and met with the families it was all off camera.

If you watch closely you can see him palming his command coin to everyone he shook hands with. He didn't make it a big to-do like the current CiC does...

President George W Bush Greeting Troops at DFW - YouTube

LASTRESORT20
12-13-2012, 19:32
do you ever lose sleep over the fact that you're a liberal, and everything you stand for makes this world a worse place?


+1 ...

LASTRESORT20
12-13-2012, 19:33
http://bobcesca.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/bushBillboard.jpg

randrew379
12-13-2012, 19:33
If hell were real, he'd be there.

Don't forget, God told W to invade both Iraq and Afghanistan.

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cowboy1964
12-13-2012, 19:42
Do you think Bill Clinton ever loses sleep over not getting Bin Laden when he had the chance (multiple times BTW) and could have potentially stopped 9/11?

barbedwiresmile
12-13-2012, 20:02
A politician losing sleep? C'mon. These guys are sociopaths in the purest sense of the term. He sleeps just fine, with his fortune, between dinners and speaking engagements.

beforeobamabans
12-13-2012, 20:10
Do you think Bill Clinton ever loses sleep over not getting Bin Laden when he had the chance (multiple times BTW) and could have potentially stopped 9/11?

No, but I'll bet he's had many a sleepless night reliving that scene in the Oval Office with the blue dress.

But 'W' a success? He got elected to the White House twice as a Republican. That's all that matters. :whistling:

Ruggles
12-13-2012, 20:11
Given the number of Tier 1 terrorists and intel recovered in Iraq, President Bush saved thousands of U.S. civilian lives that would have been killed on U.S. soil, maybe even your life. Given that he did the right thing, he still cannot sleep well at night with the loss of even one U.S. soldier on his mind. That goes with the territory. It's part of being President.

I am sure that a lot of people who glean all of their information from the internet, college professors and U.S. news agencies will now start their attack on my post. Spending one week on vacation in Egypt or Lebanon will not give you the same perspective as many who have been deployed in hostile areas for extended periods of time. Watch BBC World News, Al Jazeera D.C. Bureau, subscribe to overseas newspapers, etc. and get the perspective of overseas reporters in addition to those who have been there and done that.

Freedom is not free, someone always has to pay for that Freedom, and the fight is best fought off U.S. soil.

To answer your question directly, I am sure that President Bush and President Obama do not sleep well at night.

Good post with some very valid points. :wavey:

None of us know how it feels to orders 1000s and 1000s of young men and women into harms way. Maybe it plagues him maybe not, none of us have any ideal. :dunno:

HexHead
12-13-2012, 20:18
No, why should it? Read the Iraq chapter in his book Decision Points. You might learn something.

jdavionic
12-13-2012, 20:40
No, why should it? Read the Iraq chapter in his book Decision Points. You might learn something.

Please don't cloud the issue with facts - including repeatedly firing upon American pilots enforcing the NFZ, repeatedly violating the UN mandates that ended the first war, the fact that WMDs were found, etc. The OP is a staunch liberal that strongly supported Obama. Rather than discuss the economic reality of today, he'd rather raise the same ol' liberal Bush bashing of a past president. And no...I don't support a LOT of what GWB did, including changing the missions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Kablam
12-13-2012, 20:52
Trillions of dollars and American lives wasted. That sure hasn't changed much in the last four years. In fact, it seems to be on an increasing trajectory. Surprise! All the looters should be losing sleep, but I suspect they aren't.

evlbruce
12-13-2012, 21:10
Do you ever lose sleep over the fact that you're a liberal, and everything you stand for makes this world a worse place?

This.

I think that Pol Pot's only regret was that he did add the people who sold him out in the end to his mountain of corpses.

certifiedfunds
12-13-2012, 21:38
It was a condition of the cease fire from desert storm.

TheExplorer
12-13-2012, 21:47
Every President makes decisions based on the intelligence available at the time. Do I think he regrets it now, yes. But any of us would have done the same thing if we were President.

Berto
12-13-2012, 21:56
As our current peacenik beats the war drums for Syria for what reasons again?

Atrocities against the civilians, poison gas, WMDs....?

jollygreen
12-13-2012, 22:56
Dunno about the OP's question, but GW's daddy should be losing sleep about not finishing the job re Desert Storm. Had he done that, we wouldn't be debating the issue now.

427
12-13-2012, 23:12
Trillions of dollars in the garbage but, much worse, nearly 5,000 American lives wasted.

I wonder if that guy ever thinks what a mistake he made, while he's clearing brush just for fun on his non-working Texas ranch.

Are you serious?

Here are the democrats, in thier own words, in the lead up to the invasion.
Ask them if they've lost any sleep.



Democrats, WMD's & The Iraq War - YouTube
In case you don't want to watch the video, read the quotes.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

On 31 October 1998 Clinton singed into law the H.R. 4655, Iraq Liberation act. You're a lawyer, read the legalese and see where it talks about regime change.

SEC. 3. SENSE OF THE CONGRESS REGARDING UNITED STATES POLICY TOWARD IRAQ.

It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.

Then in December 1998, Operation Desert Fox, the bombing of Iraq's WMDS. Clinton was also impeached at this time.

Here's what clinton said:
President Clinton orders attack on Iraq - YouTube

Why don't you ask Clinton if he's lost any sleep while you're at it.

Lowjiber
12-14-2012, 06:36
GWB didn't give a damn then and I'm sure he doesn't now.

Cavalry Doc
12-14-2012, 06:38
Trillions of dollars in the garbage but, much worse, nearly 5,000 American lives wasted.

I wonder if that guy ever thinks what a mistake he made, while he's clearing brush just for fun on his non-working Texas ranch.

I wonder if saddam loses any sleep over it?

It was his fault, not ours. We got to kill many more jihad minded military age males over there, I see that as a success. Considering its in the past, the opposition to it now is a moot point.

series1811
12-14-2012, 06:55
A politician losing sleep? C'mon. These guys are sociopaths in the purest sense of the term. He sleeps just fine, with his fortune, between dinners and speaking engagements.

I think that to survive, any person who is placed in the position of having to make decisions that negatively affect others on a regular basis, pretty much has to be sociopath.

Think about it. As a general, how could you order men to assualt a position, knowing some would die? How could a CEO lay off 10,000 people, knowing what would happen to them? How could a President ever order any military action, knowing how many lives would be destroyed.

Empathy for those people would probably eat you to death until it destroyed you.

Neville Chamberlain probably wasn't a sociopath. Look where it got the world.

ballr4lyf
12-14-2012, 09:24
Trillions of dollars in the garbage but, much worse, nearly 5,000 American lives wasted.

I wonder if that guy ever thinks what a mistake he made, while he's clearing brush just for fun on his non-working Texas ranch.

When the media criticized W for playing a game of golf while a war was going on, he quit playing golf alltogether.

When O was criticized for the same thing, he continued to work on his wedge shots.

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/files/2009/12/tiger-obama-golf-digest-12-09.jpg

The Fist Of Goodness
12-14-2012, 09:39
Wow. Is this the new liberal talking point? How GWB feels about the war in Iraq?

The United States is embroiled in an economic depression that the current administration seems to be fueling with its socialist policies. Our children are practically guaranteed to be economic slaves to pay for it. Our way of life is actively under attack by those who want their free ****.

And you seriously wonder about GWB?

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Gunnut 45/454
12-14-2012, 11:35
Yep seeing GWB is a good Christian I'm sure he looses alot of sleep over his decisions he made to put our military sons and daughters in harms way. We'll all knew why we were in uniform ,I served in both wars with Iraq. I knew after the first war we'd be back to finish what we started in '90! Cause we seen how Sadam acted in the first war. I love how you liberals can't get over the facts of how many of your god like Dunmocrats were just as eager to go to war in '03 in Iraq. Even your favorite Billary !
We all know most of you Liberals here have never served our country- never would as you have stated and confirmed through your posts. So I take great offense in your continued disrespect for those that put there lives on the line day after day to ensure your freedoms! None of those that have died in Iraq and Afghan wars were forced to go and fight every man /women have VOLUNTEERED to be there and put there lives in harms way to secure our freedoms and our way of life! So please take your petty BS some where's else like the DU.:steamed:

Cavalry Doc
12-14-2012, 11:47
Yep seeing GWB is a good Christian I'm sure he looses alot of sleep over his decisions he made to put our military sons and daughters in harms way. We'll all knew why we were in uniform ,I served in both wars with Iraq. I knew after the first war we'd be back to finish what we started in '90! Cause we seen how Sadam acted in the first war. I love how you liberals can't get over the facts of how many of your god like Dunmocrats were just as eager to go to war in '03 in Iraq. Even your favorite Billary !
We all know most of you Liberals here have never served our country- never would as you have stated and confirmed through your posts. So I take great offense in your continued disrespect for those that put there lives on the line day after day to ensure your freedoms! None of those that have died in Iraq and Afghan wars were forced to go and fight every man /women have VOLUNTEERED to be there and put there lives in harms way to secure our freedoms and our way of life! So please take your petty BS some where's else like the DU.:steamed:

Ditto. Desert Storm, Kuwait in 1996, OIF in 2004/5.

Good post.

aircarver
12-14-2012, 11:57
... And you seriously wonder about GWB?

Deflection.

... always deflection with those guys ... :upeyes:

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Gunnut 45/454
12-14-2012, 12:31
Cavalry Doc
Thanks Brother!:patriot:

CAcop
12-14-2012, 18:24
I think that to survive, any person who is placed in the position of having to make decisions that negatively affect others on a regular basis, pretty much has to be sociopath.

Think about it. As a general, how could you order men to assualt a position, knowing some would die? How could a CEO lay off 10,000 people, knowing what would happen to them? How could a President ever order any military action, knowing how many lives would be destroyed.

Empathy for those people would probably eat you to death until it destroyed you.

Neville Chamberlain probably wasn't a sociopath. Look where it got the world.

I don't think you have to be a scociopath to make those decisions. It hink it helps if you are making them without deliberation and weighing of the options. If you are laying off 10,000 people just to bump you quarterly earn reports to boost your stock so you can sell it and make a bigger profit you might be a sociopath. IF you are sending troops out to take over a country with the intent to keep it forver you probably are a sociopath.

If your comany needs to shed 10,000 to stay afloat or another nation is a danger to yourself or allies it is merely a smart decision.

Gpruitt54
12-14-2012, 19:25
Does Bush lose sleep over what he has wrought? Does satin regret being satin? Satin knows who he is; as Bush knows what he has done. They are both fine with who they are and what they are done. The higher father that Bush talked about was surely not the father in heaven. Who could proclaim elegance with God, having single handedly caused such destruction. If Godís words are true, Bush will find his place in the lake of fire.

Paul7
12-14-2012, 20:29
Do you think Bill Clinton ever loses sleep over not getting Bin Laden when he had the chance (multiple times BTW) and could have potentially stopped 9/11?

Exactly, a 50 cent bullet could have prevented 9/11.

PBR Sailor
12-14-2012, 21:13
I have to wonder how many Bush bashers on this thread have served several years in the military, lived under miserable conditions overseas for months on end and pulled CACO duty at least once. I believe that you will find the number in the single digits and most likely the number is zero.

On behalf of us who have served to protect those who have failed to serve, I say YOU ARE WELCOME!

TxGun
12-14-2012, 21:56
Just a question for the rest of you here since I rarely visit the political forum: Is this IndianaMatt guy as consistently stupid as he seems in the few posts of his that I've read? And, if so, does anyone know if the state of Indiana realizes that he is impugning it's good name?

427
12-14-2012, 22:01
Just a question for the rest of you here since I rarely visit the political forum: Is this IndianaMatt guy as consistently stupid as he seems in the few posts of his that I've read? And, if so, does anyone know if the state of Indiana realizes that he is impugning it's good name?

He claims to be a bankruptcy attorney. :dunno:

ballr4lyf
12-14-2012, 22:03
Just a question for the rest of you here since I rarely visit the political forum: Is this IndianaMatt guy as consistently stupid as he seems in the few posts of his that I've read? And, if so, does anyone know if the state of Indiana realizes that he is impugning it's good name?

Yes and yes. But they can't find him... It's like he's underground... in his mom's basement. :tongueout:

countrygun
12-14-2012, 22:28
Just a question for the rest of you here since I rarely visit the political forum: Is this IndianaMatt guy as consistently stupid as he seems in the few posts of his that I've read? And, if so, does anyone know if the state of Indiana realizes that he is impugning it's good name?

He is equally consistent in other sections of this place so I can only conclude it is an irreversible condition, most likely related to the fact that the danger of letting children eat paint chips was not uncovered early enough.

A sad byproduct of an industrialized society.

certifiedfunds
12-15-2012, 05:30
Just a question for the rest of you here since I rarely visit the political forum: Is this IndianaMatt guy as consistently stupid as he seems in the few posts of his that I've read? And, if so, does anyone know if the state of Indiana realizes that he is impugning it's good name?

He isn't particularly stupid, it's just that most of what he believes isn't so.






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2-8 Marine
12-15-2012, 06:23
Agreed . . . Indiana Matt is nothing but a troll who wallows in attention.

The Machinist
12-15-2012, 06:56
Indiana Matt, are you ever going to come back and defend yourself? Oh, that's right. Liberals are born without balls. There is nothing you believe in I can't shred with facts.

jdavionic
12-15-2012, 08:35
Indiana Matt, are you ever going to come back and defend yourself? Oh, that's right. Liberals are born without balls. There is nothing you believe in I can't shred with facts.

He is an example of the disgusting liberals that are responsible for putting this turd back in the WH. During the election, he continously posted his drivel of pro-Obama support.

Yet look at the "man". While the children are lying dead in the hallways, he starts a thread 'where was your God today'. When Benghazi results in the murder of Americans, he's silent.

There you have it. The compassionate liberal shining star. Poking fun at religion while the country mourns the loss of children. Reverting back to GWB with intentional distortions to ensure the man he so proudly voted for is not questioned for anything that he's done in current times.

I truly hope that he, the people he supports, and those like him all keep pushing Americans to point where we do break down as a country. At least then we eliminate the disgusting disease like the OP that plagues this country.

PBR Sailor
12-15-2012, 09:48
He is equally consistent in other sections of this place so I can only conclude it is an irreversible condition, most likely related to the fact that the danger of letting children eat paint chips was not uncovered early enough.

A sad byproduct of an industrialized society.

:rofl:

jakebrake
12-15-2012, 09:49
Do you ever lose sleep over the fact that you're a liberal, and everything you stand for makes this world a worse place?

probably not.

jakebrake
12-15-2012, 09:51
As our current peacenik beats the war drums for Syria for what reasons again?

Atrocities against the civilians, poison gas, WMDs....?

berto, don't confuse the libtard with facts.

TangoFoxtrot
12-15-2012, 11:51
Trillions of dollars in the garbage but, much worse, nearly 5,000 American lives wasted.

I wonder if that guy ever thinks what a mistake he made, while he's clearing brush just for fun on his non-working Texas ranch.


Hell no! Bush and Cheney harbor no guilt what so ever! Cheney made millions through Halburton. They both should be changed with war crimes they committed against the american people. Bush also didn't want Osama Bin laden found either, otherwise he couldn't justify our presence in the middle east. They both turn my stomach :steamed:

BORNGEARHEAD
12-15-2012, 14:48
Define - Liberators.

It's all about the petro dollars, yo!

engineer151515
12-15-2012, 15:01
Hell no! Bush and Cheney harbor no guilt what so ever! Cheney made millions through Halburton. They both should be changed with war crimes they committed against the american people. Bush also didn't want Osama Bin laden found either, otherwise he couldn't justify our presence in the middle east. They both turn my stomach :steamed:

If you are accusing Cheney as a war profiteer, I say prove it.



You may want to read the link before you respond.

http://www.factcheck.org/kerry_ad_falsely_accuses_cheney_on_halliburton.html

engineer151515
12-15-2012, 15:04
Trillions of dollars in the garbage but, much worse, nearly 5,000 American lives wasted.

I wonder if that guy ever thinks what a mistake he made, while he's clearing brush just for fun on his non-working Texas ranch.

The only thing wasted here is the bandwidth used to post this garbage.

BTW - do you think Clinton looses any sleep for letting bin Laden pull off the 9/11 tragedy? Or leaving Iraq for future Presidents to deal with while Saddam continued to fire upon our aircraft patrolling the no-fly zone? Or Obama for continuing to have a US presence in both Afghanistan and Iraq, all the while continuing to keep GITMO open?

m51
12-15-2012, 15:42
The WMD's were there....and now are in Syria. Saddam moved them ASAP well before we got serious about sending in "inspectors".

We'll get to see them soon enough.

http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2012/12/07/surprise-wmds-from-iraq-were-moved-to-syria-by-saddam-hussein/

And the moon is made of blue cheese, get real.

Flintlocker
12-15-2012, 16:59
If you are accusing Cheney as a war profiteer, I say prove it.



You may want to read the link before you respond.

http://www.factcheck.org/kerry_ad_falsely_accuses_cheney_on_halliburton.html

Yeah, exactly. Cheney got a $36 million dollar severance package from Halliburton before becoming VP and then had nothing to do with the company since. The $7 or $8 billion dollars that the US Government paid to Halliburton, largely in no bid contracts, was not connected in any way whatsoever.

engineer151515
12-15-2012, 17:22
Yeah, exactly. Cheney got a $36 million dollar severance package from Halliburton before becoming VP and then had nothing to do with the company since. The $7 or $8 billion dollars that the US Government paid to Halliburton, largely in no bid contracts, was not connected in any way whatsoever.

That the best you got? Politically charged innuendo? Disparaging rumor?

You'd love to hear some of the rumors I heard about how Brown and Root made millions and millions of dollars on President Johnson (a democrat) building airbases for the Texas President in South Vietnam. Maybe that's why Halliburton acquired B&R back in the day.

You see. I can match political mudslinging tit-for-tat.

Now - prove it.

Since no-bid contracts seem to be a Liberal crutch to lean on, name one other company that has the scope of services to support the military in overseas deployment that Halliburton can provide. In fact, name one bid that has been competitively shopped for a Halliburton role since your President has been running the war for the past 4 years.

mabgrac
12-15-2012, 17:45
Hell no! Bush and Cheney harbor no guilt what so ever! Cheney made millions through Halburton. They both should be changed with war crimes they committed against the american people. Bush also didn't want Osama Bin laden found either, otherwise he couldn't justify our presence in the middle east. They both turn my stomach :steamed:

War crimes against the American people? WTF?

Kablam
12-15-2012, 18:32
Hell no! Bush and Cheney harbor no guilt what so ever! Cheney made millions through Halburton. They both should be changed with war crimes they committed against the american people. Bush also didn't want Osama Bin laden found either, otherwise he couldn't justify our presence in the middle east. They both turn my stomach :steamed:

Well thank the lord we got rid of those meany bad guys and nobody is making money off the same wars that the present administration is prosecuting. :rofl:

certifiedfunds
12-16-2012, 14:39
Yeah, exactly. Cheney got a $36 million dollar severance package from Halliburton before becoming VP and then had nothing to do with the company since. The $7 or $8 billion dollars that the US Government paid to Halliburton, largely in no bid contracts, was not connected in any way whatsoever.

Of course because that was exactly what was needed: low bid government work. Extra points given to women and minority owned companies without regard for capability.


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certifiedfunds
12-16-2012, 14:42
We're going to war and will rebuild the country after we break it. Lets bid this job out. Who has nation rebuilding listed on GSE? Oh and make sure this runs thru the SBA so small businesses get an advantage.

What idiots.




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longhunter09
12-17-2012, 03:51
[QUOTE=Gpruitt54;19736134] Does satin regret being satin? QUOTE]

Thank you for introducing this very pertinant existential inquiry. I have also wondered if satin regrets being a weave that typically has a glossy surface and a dull back. Does it express a true regret for being formed by a warp-dominated weaving technique that forms a minimum number of interlacings in a fabric? I have often lain awake at night pondering this question....:whistling:

Zombie Surgeon
12-17-2012, 16:28
Trillions of dollars in the garbage but, much worse, nearly 5,000 American lives wasted.

I wonder if that guy ever thinks what a mistake he made, while he's clearing brush just for fun on his non-working Texas ranch.

Do you lose any sleep over the fact that Saddam's lost chemical weapons (the ones you libs claim never existed) surfaced in Syria and are now getting prepared to wipe out hundred of thousands of civilians?
Of course you don't. Because you are a liberal hypocrite and a brain dead Obama cultist.

Gundude
12-17-2012, 16:55
Do you lose any sleep over the fact that Saddam's lost chemical weapons (the ones you libs claim never existed) surfaced in Syria and are now getting prepared to wipe out hundred of thousands of civilians?Civilians, or Muslim extremists? Those poor victims of Saddam consisted in large part of those who would like to see us destroyed. That's why we gave him the weapons in the first place.

Cavalry Doc
12-17-2012, 18:48
Does Bush lose sleep over what he has wrought? Does satin regret being satin? Satin knows who he is; as Bush knows what he has done. They are both fine with who they are and what they are done. The higher father that Bush talked about was surely not the father in heaven. Who could proclaim elegance with God, having single handedly caused such destruction. If God’s words are true, Bush will find his place in the lake of fire.

Too bad you don't know what the "lake of Fire" you are talking about.

If you weren't there, and in a position of trust at the time, you don't get it.

We went there because we were given an engraved invitation to come there by Saddam, and it was the perfect location to set up shop, look like we were faltering, and have thousands of jihadist wahabi's show up, so we could kill them in large numbers.

That part worked rather well. If you don't get it, you are strategically and logistically inept, and incapable of understanding military operations.

I have been to Southwest Asia 3 times over 15 years, and I'm cool with it.

Gundude
12-17-2012, 18:54
Too bad you don't know what the "lake of Fire" you are talking about.

If you weren't there, and in a position of trust at the time, you don't get it.

We went there because we were given an engraved invitation to come there by Saddam, and it was the perfect location to set up shop, look like we were faltering, and have thousands of jihadist wahabi's show up, so we could kill them in large numbers.

That part worked rather well. If you don't get it, you are strategically and logistically inept, and incapable of understanding military operations. How many did we kill, compared to how many Saddam killed? What was the cost, compared to the cost of shipping Saddam some weapons and letting him do the dirty work?

Cavalry Doc
12-17-2012, 19:46
How many did we kill, compared to how many Saddam killed? What was the cost, compared to the cost of shipping Saddam some weapons and letting him do the dirty work?

You really don't understand the world. There are predators and prey. Over many years, we had positioned ourselves as prey. Beginning with the draw we fought for in Korea, the engineered political and public relations loss in Viet Nam (even thought the men won the battles), Jimmah Carter's limp wristed approach to the Iran Hostage Crisis, Ronald Reagan's flight from Beirut, Clinton's flight from Somalia.....

All brought about the concept that OBL believed, that the United States was a paper tiger.

What we did was set up shop within easy driving distance of the wahabi jihadist homelands, and invite them to come and play. They did. They died in mass. The worst day I remember was 40-1. The best day was well over 600-1.

Every death of an American is a true tragedy, I mourn them all. Every death of a jihadist is a reason to celebrate.

So?