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Kentguy
12-16-2012, 13:31
Greetings,
I just came back from the range and wanted to post my test results for .45 ACP using 230g XTP HP & Hodgdon Universal powder. This is the first time I have used these two together.

Hornady "Custom" Ammunition (factory rounds)
230g XTP HP +P
Velocity - Box listed @ 950 fps / 887.6 fps my 5 shot average
OAL - 1.230"

Test Date: 12/16/2012
Case - Federal (used) Tag - FC
Case length - 898" (standard)
Primer - Federal Large Pistol Primer #150
Bullet - 230g XTP HP (Hornady lot #2110089)
Bullet length - .637"-.638"
Bullet DIA - .451"
Powder - Hodgdon Universal @ 6.4g
Powder range -5.9g up to 6.6g
Powder burn rate - #32 (Hodgdon)
Test charges - 6.0g - 6.2g - 6.4g
Bullet seating OAL - 1.230"
Crimp - light
Velocity - 942.67 fps (my 6 shot avg @ 56 degrees cloudy with no wind) Standard Deviation - 18.26107
Test gun - .45 ACP G21 w/4.60" barrel
Individual test numbers:
6.0g - 899,874,832,844,899,846 = 865.67 fps / SD = 29.26203
6.2g - 927,934,942,887,881,896 = 911.17 fps / SD = 26.25579
6.4g - 959,964,951,938,922,922 = 942.67 fps / SD = 18.26107

Test firing was done from a bench & pistol rest, then from a standing free hand position @ 15 & 25 yards. All test charges fried without any issues or sign of over/under burn or excess pressure.

In this test the charge weight of 6.4g gave me the best over-all performance. This was a very nice (but firm) firing round, my G21 handled this very well. Re-acquiring my target in a rapid fire method was fast shot after shot. All-in-all for a bit more of a stout load this I am very pleased with this test and the results.

Just some more data to chew on. :thumbsup:

sourdough44
12-17-2012, 04:43
Thanks for the info, I just loaded up some 200 grn Hornady bullets for my 45s with H Universal. I will do some additional testing, my top charge is 6.6 grains.

Kentguy
12-17-2012, 07:28
sourdough44,

Post your results when you complete your testing, I would be interested in that weight bullet with Universal.

I usually don't have much time for load testing this time of the year with Christmas/New Years just around the corner. Not to mention up here in NE Ohio we are usually knee deep in snow by now. Winter is off to a slow start and yesterday it hit 56 degrees/ 50 degrees today! :thumbsup:

I had to take advantage of the warm weather and get some of these test loads finished.

snowwdog
12-17-2012, 20:36
i just got some fmj from precision. I have loaded many thousands of berrys 180 grain and 200 grain. My favorite load is the 180 grain with 7.2 grains universal. Hogdens load data pretty much sucks so im going to start on the high end of their data and work up to nuclear and see if i can get in that 950 fps range with them. I just cant see working up a load with those expensive xtp bullets unless its a hunting or sd load.

judgecrater
01-19-2013, 00:34
6.4 gr with a 230 is a stout load but the G21 is a tough pistol. My very best 45ACP accuracy load is 6.3 Universal with a 200 gr. SWC at 1.250 OAL. It moves along pretty good. I must like Universal; I just ordered another 8lbs. Also 3.3 gr with 147 lead Bear Creek FN works great in my 9mm.

Kentguy
01-19-2013, 06:38
judgecrater,

I have tested quite a few loads with H.Universal;
.380, 9mm, 38 special, 357 magnum & 45 ACP, I have a come up with some very nice loads with each caliber. One of the characteristics of H.Universal that I have found is that is does take a charge weight from the mid to high(er) end in order for this powder to wake up and get out of it's own way. But once it does... :thumbsup:

snowwdog..."I just cant see working up a load with those expensive xtp bullets unless its a hunting or sd load."

Well I can certainly understand your thinking here, everyone has a budget and different objectives to achieve when reloading for a certain pistol or revolver they own. Isn't that why we all (like scientists) run test after test?

Good luck and be safe out there.

judgecrater
01-19-2013, 09:32
judgecrater,

I have tested quite a few loads with H.Universal;
.380, 9mm, 38 special, 357 magnum & 45 ACP, I have a come up with some very nice loads with each caliber.

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Could you share your 45 and 9mm loads including OAL? Like to see how they compare to mine.
Thanks.

Kentguy
01-19-2013, 15:01
judgecrater,
Hers is my load data you asked for, I hope this helps.

.45 ACP
Federal "Champion" Factory Ammunition
230g RN FMJ
Velocity - Box listed @ 830 fps (my 6 shot avg. 797.8 fps)
OAL - 1.260"

My load data;
Casing - Federal (used) stamped - FC
Case length - .898" (standard)
Primer - Winchester Large Pistol Primers
Bullet - 230g RN FMJ (Precision Delta)
Bullet length - .650"
Powder - Hodgdon Universal @ 6.2g
Burn rate - #32 (Hodgdon)
Powder range - 6.0g up to 6.3g (Hodgdon)
Velocity - 847.4 fps my 6 shot average @ 75 degrees
Bullet seating OAL - 1.260"
Crimp - Light
Test Gun - Glock 21 w/4.60" Barrel

You already have my .45 XTP load data listed above.

9mm load data;
Federal "American Eagle" Factory Ammunition
115g RN FMJ
Velocity - Box listed @ 1,160 fps
OAL - 1.150"

My load data;
Casing - Federal - used/cleaned
Case length - .754" (standard)
Primer - Federal - Small Pistol Primers #100
Bullet - 115g RN FMJ .355" dia. (Precision Delta)
Bullet length - .570 "
Powder - Hodgdon Universal @ 5.1g
Powder range - 4.7g up to 5.3g (Speer)
Burn rate - #32 (Hodgdon)
Bullet seating OAL - 1.135"
Velocity - 1,151.7 fps.
Test Gun - Glock 17 w/4.49" Barrel

Federal "American Eagle" Factory Ammunition
124g RN FMJ
Velocity - Box listed @ 1,150 fps (my 6 shot average - 1,044.6 fps)
OAL - 1.150"

Casing - Federal - (used) tag - FC
Case length - .754" (standard)
Primer - CCI Small Pistol #500
Bullet - 124g RN FMJ .355" dia (Precision Delta)
Bullet length - .606 "
Powder - Hodgdon Universal @ 4.8g
Powder range - 4.5g up to 5.0g (Speer)
Burn rate - #32 (Hodgdon)
Bullet seating OAL - 1.135"
Velocity - 1,154.2 fps
Test Gun - Glock 17 w/4.49" Barrel

The 124g load is what I shoot in GSSF competitions here in Ohio. :thumbsup:

judgecrater
01-19-2013, 15:48
Kentguy,
Thanks for the details. As I shoot lead my loads are a few tenths lighter. If you have not (most likely you have) give the 147gr bullets a try. My Glock shoots them well. I am working up new loads for a Lone Wolf barrel for my G21sf and the development is showing great promise with lead 200 gr SWC and Universal.