The President said... [Archive] - Glock Talk

PDA

View Full Version : The President said...


RussP
12-17-2012, 11:26
this...Full text of President Obama's speech at Newtown interfaith vigil (http://www.northjersey.com/news/Full_text_of_President_Obamas_speech_at_Newtown_interfaith_vigil.html?page=all)"Are we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom?"

janice6
12-17-2012, 11:29
It's the price of not recognizing people that need serious help, and then addressing it.

People are the problem, cost is the issue.

According to our Government, more control over us is the solution.

JAS104
12-17-2012, 11:35
I caught that too. When I heard it i though my fiance's jaw was going to hit the floor.
It's pretty amazing after a mass shooting how they blame the one who didnt do it.

kirgi08
12-17-2012, 11:40
:wow:

Cavalry Doc
12-17-2012, 11:47
As was fully expected. It is in his nature.

JAS104
12-17-2012, 11:50
Crocodile tears :crying:

Chuck TX
12-17-2012, 12:33
So basically he's fully reached a shortcut to thinking, logic be damned.

Ban Liberty, it's for the children.

Never mind taking steps actually proven to prevent and protect schools and air travel like the Israelis have done for decades. Being defenseless is the answer. :upeyes:

Remember: "sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt."

Words won't keep evil from harming your loved ones either. Good folks willing to exert positive force on negative force is the best option there is.

series1811
12-17-2012, 12:33
It's the price of not recognizing people that need serious help, and then addressing it.

People are the problem, cost is the issue.

According to our Government, more control over us is the solution.

Yep. :agree:

marchboom
12-17-2012, 12:49
It's pretty amazing after a mass shooting how they blame the one who didnt do it.

That's the liberal way, the democrat way, and for the last four years (and the next 4 years) the obama way.

As long as people want to be defenseless and not carry guns, or have immediate access to them, they will be victims and will hide instead of fight back. It's the liberal mindset. Nothing we can do about that except maybe blame them for not carrying a gun and going to the children's aid.

JAS104
12-17-2012, 13:16
Plain and simple the only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. To have more gun control will do nothing to the criminals who disobey the law anyway. Rather than point fingers and increase gun control, they should be doing more research about the source of the problem which is mental illness.

rj1939
12-17-2012, 18:23
If you kill kids with a drone it doesn't count.

The real mass murderers are elected.

jeanderson
12-17-2012, 18:38
Guns = freedom.
No guns = tyranny.
Any questions?

JimIsland
12-17-2012, 18:43
I caught that too as my wife stared at me awaiting my response.

barbedwiresmile
12-17-2012, 18:57
If you kill kids with a drone it doesn't count.

The real mass murderers are elected.

C'mon man. Don't mess with either side's convenient and simple-minded narrative.

rj1939
12-17-2012, 18:58
This was the greatest generation:

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
Ė George Washington

Cavalry Doc
12-17-2012, 19:38
If you kill kids with a drone it doesn't count.

The real mass murderers are elected.

Illinois? That makes sense.

porschedog
12-17-2012, 19:45
All those here who voted for this clown, I hope yours are taken first.

cowboy1964
12-17-2012, 20:39
Is 35,000 deaths a year from drunk driving the "price of our freedom"? A million abortions? Millions of lifes wasted, children abused, from drug usage?

Barack Hussein Obama is a self-confessed pothead. And people wonder why this country is in a moral ****hole.

HexHead
12-17-2012, 21:01
All those here who voted for this clown, I hope yours are taken first.

Look at it on the bright side. They are the ones that will cooperate and turn their weapons in.

SDDL-UP
12-17-2012, 21:04
Agreed cowboy1964.

Gundude
12-17-2012, 22:27
All those here who voted for this clown, I hope yours are taken first.If any type of ban is coming, it will be the result of the Republican House and Democrat Senate reaching a "bi-partisan" compromise "for the sake of the children". If you honestly think Romney would've vetoed such a thing you're as high as a kite.

engineer151515
12-17-2012, 22:31
This President is absolutely clueless that the tyrannical government the 2nd Amendment is designed to protect all Americans from, is the very government he is trying so hard to develop.

Cradle to grave control. Then an Obamacare health panel that decides you are too expensive, too old or radical to waste medical resources upon. Maybe, one day in the future, some Supreme Court will decide that your home can be taken for increased tax revenue by giving it to the local Walmart. Or that you cannot grow your own food or milk your own cows. Maybe this future government will decide that you don't really need that coal energy or, better yet, you don't need to keep that thermostat on 72 degrees. That you don't need an SUV and you are selfish for wanting one. The rest of the world gets by just fine without one.

Maybe . . .sooner than later

Chronos
12-17-2012, 22:33
Was he talking about drone bombings?

427
12-17-2012, 22:41
If any type of ban is coming, it will be the result of the Republican House and Democrat Senate reaching a "bi-partisan" compromise "for the sake of the children". If you honestly think Romney would've vetoed such a thing you're as high as a kite.

Who did you vote for? Oh, that's right...


Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.

Obama will bring about change, although it won't be the change he's hoping for.

Mittens will not. Mittens is politics as usual, and for those who are repulsed by the trend we're on, electing somebody who will maintain that trend is unacceptable.

Conservatives, by definition, fear change. That is why conservatives are on board with Mittens despite his unconservative credentials. They know he's "safe". They know he won't change anything.

The time for "safe" is gone. Let Obama bring the pot to a full boil quickly, and let's see what America is made of.
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18688091&postcount=15

GAFinch
12-17-2012, 22:43
This President is absolutely clueless that the tyrannical government the 2nd Amendment is designed to protect all Americans from, is the very government he is trying so hard to develop.

Why would you assume that he's clueless? Why does everyone think of him as some benevolent leader? Does he need to grow a mustache and have troops goose-stepping in tank-led marches around D.C. in order to convince everyone he has actually been nationalizing multiple sectors of our economy for the past four years and was serious about fundamentally transforming this country?

CAcop
12-17-2012, 22:48
I would be more shocked if he didn't say something like that.

Didn't he say something like, "I will do everything in my power to make sure this doesn't happen again."

In other words he will throw a half assed AWB and it will get shot down in the house. With any luck any moderate Dems in iffy districts who vote for it get tossed out in 2014.

Gundude
12-18-2012, 00:04
Who did you vote for? Oh, that's right...



http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18688091&postcount=15What's your point? Everything I said still stands.

Mittens would sign any ban Obama would sign. The difference is Obama will make the whole process more combative and ugly with more likelihood of failure.

cowboywannabe
12-18-2012, 00:31
Russ, is he implying tighter controls on the mentally unbalanced?

cowboywannabe
12-18-2012, 00:34
Is 35,000 deaths a year from drunk driving the "price of our freedom"? A million abortions? Millions of lifes wasted, children abused, from drug usage?

Barack Hussein Obama is a self-confessed pothead. And people wonder why this country is in a moral ****hole.

this, yet anybody can buy a junker and drive drunk without a driver's license, or insurance, or a proper registration. walk in, pay cash, drive out without any checks for habitual DUI or suspended license.....

427
12-18-2012, 00:54
What's your point?
My point? You wanted Obama to "bring the pot to a boil". You're getting what you wanted. You should be happy!
Everything I said still stands.Good! I'm reminding everyone on this forum you and fools like you wanted this.

Mittens would sign any ban Obama would sign. Stop trying to defect who you voted for and supported on this forum by bringing mittens into the discussion. Mittens is not President -the guy you supported and voted for is!!!

The difference is Obama will make the whole process more combative and ugly with more likelihood of failure.Yeah Obama has the election, the senate, the media, and public opinion. What do you think is going to happen, fool? This is what you wanted.

cowboywannabe
12-18-2012, 01:19
427s got a point....

lots of cold dead hands folks out there will have to put up or shut up or bury their guns or deny having them.......

kirgi08
12-18-2012, 02:06
You've changed CW.Do know why,just can't grasp it.'08.

cowboywannabe
12-18-2012, 03:36
You've changed CW.Do know why,just can't grasp it.'08.

i am very much against any "AWB", just have grown tired of the bantering back and forth by some members.

voting is down among gun owners, 80 million of them and not even 10% are NRA members, our biggest voice in d.c., OUR 800 POUND GORILLA.......but so few care to join.....giving various reasons that just dont hold water considering...

RussP
12-18-2012, 07:50
Russ, is he implying tighter controls on the mentally unbalanced?This...We will be told that the causes of such violence are complex, and that is true. No single law, no set of laws can eliminate evil from the world or prevent every senseless act of violence in our society, but that canít be an excuse for inaction. Surely we can do better than this.

If thereís even one step we can take to save another child or another parent or another town from the grief thatís visited Tucson and Aurora and Oak Creek and Newtown and communities from Columbine to Blacksburg before that, then surely we have an obligation to try.

In the coming weeks, Iíll use whatever power this office holds to engage my fellow citizens, from law enforcement, to mental health professionals, to parents and educators, in an effort aimed at preventing more tragedies like this, because what choice do we have? We canít accept events like this as routine.

Are we really prepared to say that weíre powerless in the face of such carnage, that the politics are too hard?

Are we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom?He references the mental health community, but it is naive to think the 'freedom' he references in the last sentence involves those Rights used/abused by some when discussing treatment of the mentally ill.

The current administration will not aggressively address, much less resolve with meaningful policies, the causality of mental illness and violence.

engineer151515
12-18-2012, 08:15
Why would you assume that he's clueless?

I think that is a good question. My answer, just based on personal observation and opinion, is that this President has shown absolutely no ability to lead. He is a professional community organizer and campaigner. He is a socialist based ideologue who actually envies how China's leaders can make sweeping orders and enforce it under the threat of the gun.

There may be an agenda driven behind this man, but all this President has ever done is lead from behind. He continues to this very day. In budget negotiations. In world politics. In every aspect of his life. BTW - don't upset his wife. Her even more radical nature probably kicks his butt too.

GAFinch
12-18-2012, 09:35
I think that is a good question. My answer, just based on personal observation and opinion, is that this President has shown absolutely no ability to lead. He is a professional community organizer and campaigner. He is a socialist based ideologue who actually envies how China's leaders can make sweeping orders and enforce it under the threat of the gun.

There may be an agenda driven behind this man, but all this President has ever done is lead from behind. He continues to this very day. In budget negotiations. In world politics. In every aspect of his life. BTW - don't upset his wife. Her even more radical nature probably kicks his butt too.

Oh yeah, he's a drug-addled, slack-jawed nancy boy who's in over his head but I think those around him do most of the behind the scenes work while he flies around and goes partying with celebrities. I'm sure he knows what their plan is though, so he doesn't accidentally say anything to disrupt it.

While it seemed at first that they were leading from behind during the Arab Spring, it now looks like they were and are deliberately supporting and arming the Muslim Brotherhood and its allies. Given that, their actions in other countries seem more deliberate. They have not been very effective working with Congress. I don't know if that's incompetence, arrogance, or both. The budget talks are clearly based on arrogance and callousness. They're designed to break the Republican party, not fix the economy, which they clearly want to get worse. If you look at the DHS report on "right wing extremists," you see that they are genuinely afraid of the 300 million guns in the hands of Americans (which is the primary goal of 2nd Amendment) and that has slowed down their domestic agenda.

Gundude
12-18-2012, 09:59
My point? You wanted Obama to "bring the pot to a boil". You're getting what you wanted. You should be happy!
Good! I'm reminding everyone on this forum you and fools like you wanted this.

Stop trying to defect who you voted for and supported on this forum by bringing mittens into the discussion. Mittens is not President -the guy you supported and voted for is!!!

Yeah Obama has the election, the senate, the media, and public opinion. What do you think is going to happen, fool? This is what you wanted.
Actually, Mittens is very relevant to the discussion because he was the only alternative, and is the reason I voted for Obama. Your griping about what Obama is doing implies the alternative would've been better, which is absolute fantasy. You live in the same dream world the gun grabbers do, where reality simply doesn't factor into your thought process. You want a situation to exist which simply has no chance of existing.

Yes, I'm happy Obama is prez right now because the only alternative was Mittens. If you believe there is more chance of a gun ban now than if Mittens was prez, you probably also thought Mittens was going to win the election, despite all evidence to the contrary.

The next time a gun grabber tells you that gun-free zones and gun bans are the way to solve gun violence, don't be too hard on him. Tell him it's ok, that you once believed Romney had a chance to win the election and that you currently believe gun rights would be less in jeopardy if he had won. You can then sit down for beer together and talk about fairies and unicorns and how much of a bummer it is when people "deflect" the conversation with stuff that happens in real life.

427
12-18-2012, 10:39
Actually, Mittens is very relevant to the discussion because he was the only alternative, and is the reason I voted for Obama. Your griping about what Obama is doing implies the alternative would've been better, which is absolute fantasy. You live in the same dream world the gun grabbers do, where reality simply doesn't factor into your thought process. You want a situation to exist which simply has no chance of existing.

Yes, I'm happy Obama is prez right now because the only alternative was Mittens. If you believe there is more chance of a gun ban now than if Mittens was prez, you probably also thought Mittens was going to win the election, despite all evidence to the contrary.

The next time a gun grabber tells you that gun-free zones and gun bans are the way to solve gun violence, don't be too hard on him. Tell him it's ok, that you once believed Romney had a chance to win the election and that you currently believe gun rights would be less in jeopardy if he had won. You can then sit down for beer together and talk about fairies and unicorns and how much of a bummer it is when people "deflect" the conversation with stuff that happens in real life.
Bla bla bla bla.

In the real world, the one I live in, Mittens is not President, the guy you proudly supported on this forum and voted for is.

Keep deflecting the fact through your vote and what you've stated, you're getting everything you wanted.

Let Obama bring the pot to a full boil quickly, and let's see what America is made of.

Mittens is not President. Mittens is not President. Try to remember that.