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m51
12-19-2012, 13:59
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/19/16020864-obama-demands-concrete-proposals-on-gun-violence-by-january

What do you think the NRA would submit to this commission?

JBnTX
12-19-2012, 14:15
They have a press conference set for 21 Dec.
We'll see.

I'm expecting to hear the NRA use the "compromise" word more than once.

Compromise means we'll give up some gun rights, if the anti-gunners will promise not to take all our gun rights.

Compromise is just surrender on the installment plan.

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CitizenOfDreams
12-19-2012, 14:16
The NRA will submit our gun freedoms and then tell us how it could have been much worse.

cowboy1964
12-19-2012, 14:40
Obama also had his Debt Commission. How'd that work out?

fx77
12-19-2012, 15:07
Appeasement as per Winston Churchill is feeding the alligator a little at a time hoping he will eat U last.

m51
12-19-2012, 15:08
Looks like they want to push this through as fast as possible, I just hope The NRA can inject some knowledge, i.e. stock configurations, muzzle breaks, and the other things that made no sense in the last weapons ban.

Gundude
12-19-2012, 15:34
"This is not some Washington commission. This is not something where folks are going to be studying the issue for six months and publishing a report that gets read, and then pushed aside," the president said. "This is a team that has a very specific task: to pull together real reforms, right now."I love when politicians admit how idiotic the whole process is, then say "but this time it's different."

CitizenOfDreams
12-19-2012, 15:58
I just hope The NRA can inject some knowledge, i.e. stock configurations, muzzle breaks, and the other things that made no sense in the last weapons ban.

Ahh yes, the NRA will help create that "sensible gun control" we hear so much about.

Calhoun123
12-19-2012, 16:46
I really fear the NRA is going to pre-emptively surrender our rights without a fight.

If they were smart they would propose many things focused on mental health such as changes to the 4473 to ask more mental health questions.

They would propose some manner by which people could place loved ones with real mental health issues on "NICS" watch lists. There would have to be an associated adjudicative process to prevent abuse.

They could propose a new class of firearms (maybe title 5) that would include ARs and AKs and associated mags. You would get a permit to purchase renewable every 5 years. Ownership would not be restricted, just new purchases. Have the permit be statutorily cheap ($25) and require statutorily that the permit be granted within 30 days. Make the permit valid in all 50 states (worded to open up purchases in current "ban" states).

Somehow use the legislation to force the government to create an adjudicative process for vets currently denied gun purchases due to mental health treatment.

In short, give up virtually nothing (except maybe administrative hoops) while making it look like a big deal and quietly use the legislation to undo some current problems. It may sound stupid to some here, but it beats 1994 ban 2.1.

muscogee
12-19-2012, 17:12
Since the NRA represents the firearms industry rather than the individual firearms owners, I expect them to cave on the "gun show loophole" and require everyone to pay an ffl to transfer any firearm. That will mean that prices for transfers will go up.

beforeobamabans
12-19-2012, 20:01
Hopefully, the 8000 new members per day and $300,000 per day of new funds flowing into their war chest will make them realize that the 'silent majority' want their gun rights defended.

SunsetMan
12-19-2012, 22:26
Call me very naive, but if we have the House why would an AWB bill go anywhere?

HarleyGuy
12-19-2012, 22:35
Since the NRA represents the firearms industry rather than the individual firearms owners, I expect them to cave on the "gun show loophole" and require everyone to pay an ffl to transfer any firearm. That will mean that prices for transfers will go up.

I believe background checks on all firearms purchases will be here, probably sooner than later.

CitizenOfDreams
12-19-2012, 23:06
Call me very naive, but if we have the House why would an AWB bill go anywhere?

With a little "compromise" and "reaching across the aisle" from our wonderful Republican team.

kirgi08
12-19-2012, 23:52
Or the one will try ta sneak an EO by us,as is his m/o.'08.

TDC20
12-20-2012, 01:24
From the OP's link:

"Obama said his task force's proposals would make up part of his State of the Union address, and he expressed hope that the searing images from last week's shooting in Connecticut would last in the public conscious and help advance his eventual proposals.

"I would hope that our memories aren't so short that what we saw in Newtown isn't lingering with us -- that we don't remain passionate about it, only a month later," he said."


Never let a good crisis go to waste, as Rahm would say.


And from the same link:


"Few Republicans have stepped forward to embrace any of these gun measures, though, and have focused instead on the need for improved mental health services, or school safety."


The NRA is adding 8000 members a day, and gun sales are soaring. Does anyone remember what happened to Clinton after the 1994 AWB? Maybe not, but I can guarantee you that the politicians remember it well.


I'm gifting at least 5 NRA memberships as soon as I can find 5 people who will take them. There's nothing that will worry the gun grabbing politicians more than to see the ranks of NRA membership on the rise.


For all of you willing to roll over, shame on you. At least make your voice a part of the conversation. Don't accept any compromise on anything, and let your elected representatives know your views and that you will be voting in 2014 and beyond. I honestly believe that our position is much stronger politically now than in 1994. We have added how many CCW states since then? More CCW permit holders, more new gun owners. Don't be so damned fatalistic. This was tried once before and it cost the Dems dearly. I honestly believe this will be Obama's Waterloo. His best political outcome is that NO new bans are passed. Otherwise, there will be political blowback of epic proportions.

TDC20
12-20-2012, 01:29
Obama also had his Debt Commission. How'd that work out?
0bama also had a "Jobs Commmision" that met one time over a 6 month period while unemployment was at a crisis level. Pathetic.

Foxtrotx1
12-20-2012, 01:33
Call me very naive, but if we have the House why would an AWB bill go anywhere?

Your correct, it's not. Everyone is just throwing in the towel. It's pathetic.

muscogee
12-20-2012, 01:40
I believe background checks on all firearms purchases will be here, probably sooner than later.

Before we let that happen we should insist that anyone who passes a background check can get an ffl like it was pre-Clinton. Requiring a firearms business to get an ffl is just harassment meant to make purchasing a firearm less convenient and more expensive.

TK-421
12-20-2012, 02:10
Call me very naive, but if we have the House why would an AWB bill go anywhere?

I've been scratching my head and wondering the same thing. And yet so many people are acting like it's already been talked about, written, re-written, re-re-written, and passed. :dunno:

Kennedy
12-20-2012, 02:28
I'm gifting at least 5 NRA memberships as soon as I can find 5 people who will take them. There's nothing that will worry the gun grabbing politicians more than to see the ranks of NRA membership on the rise.


This is a good idea, depending on what is said at the press conference on Friday I think I might do the same thing... that being said I am going to be rather upset if I start hearing alot of "compromises".

What I would like to hear is someone stand up and tell them to worry about enforcing the laws already on the books before trying to add more. If the reporter I heard was correct weren't the guns used in the shooting bought by the shooters mother? IE a straw purchase, something that's already against the law

TK-421
12-20-2012, 02:34
From what I heard, she bought the guns for herself, not for her son, so not a straw purchase. But I haven't been following it very closely. Last I heard the shooter used two pistols, and had an AR in his trunk. Now I'm hearing that he had two pistols, but only used the AR to kill the kids. Don't really know what to believe right now, so many conflicting stories floating around all at the same time.

But people need to stop admitting defeat before they even sit down and actually write an AWB, let alone try to pass it. Write letters to your Representatives urging them to flat out refuse any AWB that is put in front of them. Remind them about who pays their salaries and who votes for them and keeps them in office. Start actually doing something, instead of sitting there crying and being absolutely useless.

They're only talking about it, they haven't written anything, they haven't passed anything, stop acting like they passed it three years ago.

Oh, and no, those last two parts weren't directed at you Kennedy, and they weren't directed at anyone specifically. I'm just tired of this defeatist attitude that has permeated GT, and needed to vent over how freaking stupid people are acting.

blownhemi
12-20-2012, 02:43
The NRA will submit our gun freedoms and then tell us how it could have been much worse.

This is what happened here in Australia. And we've been under constant attack ever since because the anti-gun groups don't care about assault rifles, or semi-auto handguns, or hunting rifles or 22 cal pea shooters - they want them ALL!

Listen to someone who's been through it.

Stick to your guns America.

TDC20
12-20-2012, 03:07
But people need to stop admitting defeat before they even sit down and actually write an AWB, let alone try to pass it. Write letters to your Representatives urging them to flat out refuse any AWB that is put in front of them. Remind them about who pays their salaries and who votes for them and keeps them in office. Start actually doing something, instead of sitting there crying and being absolutely useless.

They're only talking about it, they haven't written anything, they haven't passed anything, stop acting like they passed it three years ago.

Exactly! I've never been so dismayed at my fellow Americans and gun enthusiasts in recent history. Stop wondering if you have to give up your magazines or this gun or that gun. Get into the conversation and make your voice heard! It's that simple. Geez, I know you aren't Marines, or even Army. Hell, I'm Air Force and all I see are a bunch of #*ssies curled up on the floor in the fetal position with their thumbs in their mouths, begging for mercy. It's time to man up for what you believe in. Are you an American? Are you a Patriot? Do you believe that the Second Amendment is the only thing that protects you from a totalitarian, tyrannical government? Then don't let these politicians walk all over you. I can't stand these defeatist attitudes. You all need a good old fashioned boot camp ass kickin'. Now grow a freakin' spine and tell your elected officials what's what!

Big Mad Dawg
12-20-2012, 05:27
Exactly! I've never been so dismayed at my fellow Americans and gun enthusiasts in recent history. Stop wondering if you have to give up your magazines or this gun or that gun. Get into the conversation and make your voice heard! It's that simple. Geez, I know you aren't Marines, or even Army. Hell, I'm Air Force and all I see are a bunch of #*ssies curled up on the floor in the fetal position with their thumbs in their mouths, begging for mercy. It's time to man up for what you believe in. Are you an American? Are you a Patriot? Do you believe that the Second Amendment is the only thing that protects you from a totalitarian, tyrannical government? Then don't let these politicians walk all over you. I can't stand these defeatist attitudes. You all need a good old fashioned boot camp ass kickin'. Now grow a freakin' spine and tell your elected officials what's what!

I agree the problem is too many spineless/gutless obama worshipers in America, in fact there are a few in this thread that proudly voted for the violator of our rights. I have no respect for anyone that is crying about gun rights that they gladly gave up when they kneeled down and voted for the socialist gun grabber obama.

muscogee
12-20-2012, 07:28
I've been scratching my head and wondering the same thing. And yet so many people are acting like it's already been talked about, written, re-written, re-re-written, and passed. :dunno:

The media propaganda is attempting to stampede people into demanding that their representatives make a bad law. It's happened before. In 1968 both Senators from Oklahoma voted for the GCA of 1968 in spite of most of their constituents telling them no to. Mike Monroney had been a Senator nearly 20 years and didn't think there was anything that could unseat him. Fred Harris was the most popular Oklahoma politician since Robert S. Kerr and felt the same way. Neither was was reelected, but the damage was done.

I'm cynical enough to believe some politicians will sell out if the price is right. The next Presidential election Fred Harris ran for President. The Oklahoma delegation to the Democratic convention wouldn't let him use their floor time to announce his candidacy. At the time the Democrats had owned Oklahoma since FDR. That began to change in the next election, but we still have the GCA of 1968.

muscogee
12-20-2012, 07:46
Let's not turn on each other. People who are frightened are not necessarily spineless. They've never been under an incessant media barrage before. No one likes to be constantly told they're evil and responsible for the deaths of children. No one likes to be told they don't care about the deaths of children. Notice that very few people from our side gets media time? Notice that when they do, they're outnumbered and shouted down. That's part of the process of breaking us down, dividing us, and conquering us. We can't respond until we know what the other side is going to do. Hunker down, support each other, and wait for the counteroffensive. This fight will never end.

HexHead
12-20-2012, 07:54
If a ban is inevitable, I hope they push for inclusion of the National Carry Reciprocity act in the bill. Give us something!

bobk538447
12-20-2012, 09:05
I just called the NRA and was told that they do not know what "Mr. LaPierre" will say or what Congress will support. I would suggest that if you are an NRA member to call and/or write the NRA. There was only a five minute wait.