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cciman
12-20-2012, 19:20
Just realized that my SA loaded, that I had to send back for service was 'made in Brazil -Imbel".

My Taurus PT1911 is also made in Brazil, has more standard features and did not need factory trigger service, and cost $300 less. Hmmm...

glock2740
12-20-2012, 20:03
Sell it. :dunno:

FLIPPER 348
12-20-2012, 20:06
they are both good 1911s


.....unless you are a 1911-snob

bac1023
12-20-2012, 20:34
You just now realized it was made in Brazil?

bac1023
12-20-2012, 20:36
My Taurus PT1911 is also made in Brazil, has more standard features and did not need factory trigger service, and cost $300 less. Hmmm...
Yeah, that one is a great value. Why pay $2500 for a Wilson when you can get a Taurus for a fifth of the price with the same features? :whistling:

bac1023
12-20-2012, 20:41
.....unless you are a 1911-snob
In case anyone was wondering, I'll remove all doubt. My good buddy Flip is referring to me.

:animlol:

Jim S.
12-20-2012, 20:57
There is nothing wrong with the Springfield Armory guns made in Brazil.
Imbel has been making firearms for a long time.
They make guns for the military in Brazil and several other nations militaries.
The quality of the steel made in Brazil is first rate.
No problem as far as I can see.
Springfield's customer service is excellent, which makes the higher price a better deal to me than the lower priced Taurus and their almost non existant customer service.
Try sending your PT1911 back and then compare the two.

Jim S.
12-20-2012, 20:58
In case anyone was wondering, I'll remove all doubt. My good buddy Flip is referring to me.

:animlol:

You get to be a 1911 snob. :supergrin:
I think most would agree with that. :tongueout:

smokin762
12-20-2012, 21:05
I would buy the Springfield in a heartbeat. I have owned them before. I have never had a problem with mine.

The Taurus, I gave that Company 5 tries. They failed me every time. If somebody gave me one, I would sell it unfired. That way I would have a clear conscience about its reliability. That comes from my own personal experience. Not any internet giber gabber.

bac1023
12-20-2012, 21:16
The only thing Springfield's entry level 1911s and the Taurus have in common is their country of origin.

One is a high quality gun built from great IMBEL forgings and the other is a POS marketing gimmick.

I'm not sure why people compare them.

Ruggles
12-20-2012, 21:19
I have owned many a Taurus as well.

I think they make pretty good revolvers, I would carry one with confidence. Their semi autos are a bit different. The one based directly on the Beretta 92 seems like a solid gun. They even put the safety in the right place unlike Beretta :)

The rest of the semi autos from them have never caught my fancy, including the PT1911s.

bac1023
12-20-2012, 21:23
I have owned many a Taurus as well.

I think they make pretty good revolvers, I would carry one with confidence. Their semi autos are a bit different. The one based directly on the Beretta 92 seems like a solid gun. They even put the safety in the right place unlike Beretta :)

The rest of the semi autos from them have never caught my fancy, including the PT1911s.

We have identical feelings on Taurus. I like my PT92 and revolvers. That's it.

FLIPPER 348
12-20-2012, 21:32
In case anyone was wondering, I'll remove all doubt. My good buddy Flip is referring to me.

:animlol:

No, not at all. A lot of folk bash the PT-1911 but for a sub $400 1911 it will function fine with a forged frame & slide and not let you down.

Ruggles
12-20-2012, 21:42
No, not at all. A lot of folk bash the PT-1911 but for a sub $400 1911 it will function fine with a forged frame & slide and not let you down.

And with the gold bling version serve well in the "who you eye balling ho, where my damn money?" role for any self respecting pimp!

bac1023
12-20-2012, 21:53
No, not at all. A lot of folk bash the PT-1911 but for a sub $400 1911 it will function fine with a forged frame & slide and not let you down.

Sub $400? :dunno:

If they were that cheap, I wouldn't bash them. The problem is the Filipino 1911s are around $400 and are nicer guns, in my opinion.

Ruggles
12-20-2012, 22:12
First PT1911 I saw was at Gander Mt when they first came out. $399 was the price. I opted for a High Standard 1911 for the same price instead. The FS checkering on the PT1911 was horrid, just turned me off the entire gun.

glock2740
12-20-2012, 22:19
:mememe:Can I be a 1911 snob too? I had a Taurus and traded it off. And I don't like SA Loaded's either.

:rofl:

FLIPPER 348
12-20-2012, 23:34
Sub $400? :dunno:

If they were that cheap, I wouldn't bash them.


I got mine when they first came out for $369. How much did yours cost??

sawgrass
12-20-2012, 23:55
:mememe:Can I be a 1911 snob too? I had a Taurus and traded it off. And I don't like SA Loaded's either.

:rofl:

Yes you can.

It's one of my personal goals.

bac1023
12-21-2012, 05:10
I got mine when they first came out for $369. How much did yours cost??

I didn't get one when it first came out. I think I paid $450. Now, they are $500-$600 and up.

MD357
12-21-2012, 08:23
No, not at all. A lot of folk bash the PT-1911 but for a sub $400 1911 it will function fine with a forged frame & slide and not let you down.

I'll give you the forged frame and slide but it's well known that, these guns aren't $399 or below NOW..... not even close.....and the rest of the small parts are junk. Including a hammer safety that's been known to turn them into a single shot.

bac1023
12-21-2012, 13:17
Yeah, I'm not sure where he gets "under $400". They may have been that during their introductory period 6 or 7 years ago for a short while.

bac1023
12-21-2012, 13:23
:mememe:Can I be a 1911 snob too? I had a Taurus and traded it off. And I don't like SA Loaded's either.

:rofl:

You're definitely in that category, Joe. ;)

As for the Loaded, I've never been real big on it either, but it feels like an Ed Brown after handling the Taurus.

bac1023
12-21-2012, 13:25
Yes you can.

It's one of my personal goals.

You're next in the 1911-snob club, SG. ;)

I nominate Joe as the president.

:rofl:

FullClip
12-21-2012, 13:30
I picked up a new Springfield GI a few years ago. I do find it ironic that the idea of a retro 1911 with the Springfield logo is made in SOUTH America....but the price was right ($450 or so), and it's been a good pistol.

I've got a few Kimbers, a few Colts, a Bauer and a Brown....while you can't compare them for looks and workmanship, I wouldn't feel like I was too disadvantaged with the Brasilian made Springfield in a pinch.

MajorD
12-21-2012, 17:44
That Springfield is nothing but a glorified import house is not exactly a news flash. They never made a fully made in USA 1911. I WILL concede they make a good 1911 but don't care for the deceptive advertising. Same goes for Blackhawks nylon products- made in Vietnam
The only product they ever made completely in the USA with American parts was the early m1A but that has not been the case in at least 2 decades

fnfalman
12-21-2012, 19:11
That Springfield is nothing but a glorified import house is not exactly a news flash. They never made a fully made in USA 1911. I WILL concede they make a good 1911 but don't care for the deceptive advertising. Same goes for Blackhawks nylon products- made in Vietnam
The only product they ever made completely in the USA with American parts was the early m1A but that has not been the case in at least 2 decades

Well, believe it or not but most shooters or gun owners do not know that Springfield Armory is an arms merchant and not a manufacturer.

bac1023
12-21-2012, 20:27
As for the <$400 PT-1911, I pre-ordered once I heard they were going to hit the market. I got one of the first run of Ruger 1911s the same was as the busiest FFL in Oregon is a friend.
Well, everyone else is paying $5 to $600 for them now.

FLIPPER 348
12-21-2012, 21:35
That happens with successful products.

bac1023
12-21-2012, 21:39
That happens with successful products.

It's been successful, but that doesn't necessarily mean its good.

There's no way you can tell me the PT is as good as others in its price range, like the Ruger, Desert Eagle, or STI Spartan.

FLIPPER 348
12-21-2012, 22:12
It's not as nice as the Ruger which is basically a stainless Caspian 1911 with above average parts. You could barely build a stainless Caspian with the parts included in the Ruger in the low $600s. I've no experience with the others you mention. The PT 1911 was a good value when it first came out but not worth what they are asking for them these days.

glock2740
12-21-2012, 22:13
You're next in the 1911-snob club, SG. ;)

I nominate Joe as the president.

:rofl:
I'll take VP status, but YOU are da man. :cool:

bac1023
12-21-2012, 22:22
It's not as nice as the Ruger which is basically a stainless Caspian 1911 with above average parts. I've no experience with the others you mention. It was a good value when it first came out but not worth what they are asking for them these days.

Under $400 is a solid value, as long as you get a good one.

MD357
12-22-2012, 02:17
Successful to the misinformed buyers maybe, but they don't fly off the shelves like they used to.

bac1023
12-22-2012, 06:42
Successful to the misinformed buyers maybe, but they don't fly off the shelves like they used to.

Yeah, I don't think they are selling like they used to. There are many better options now.

cowboywannabe
12-22-2012, 07:01
country or origin does not indicate quality nor does price.

some the best 1911s come from an island nation in the pacific and cost half that of a basic American made Colt.

MD357
12-22-2012, 09:13
some the best 1911s come from an island nation in the pacific and cost half that of a basic American made Colt.


Some of the "best"?? um no..... not even close. If someone wanted a cheap 1911 that has honest quality they can go Norinco, or Ruger.

FLIPPER 348
12-22-2012, 09:28
....it's a good thing we don't have any 1911-snobs!

bac1023
12-22-2012, 15:10
country or origin does not indicate quality nor does price.

some the best 1911s come from an island nation in the pacific and cost half that of a basic American made Colt.

I hope you're not implying the Filipino 1911s are some of the best. They're good in their price range.

When it comes to new 1911s, the price usually does equal quality.

Anybody thinking sub $500 1911s are some of the best, needs to learn a bit.

bac1023
12-22-2012, 15:13
....it's a good thing we don't have any 1911-snobs!

Pointing out facts does not make one a snob.

sawgrass
12-22-2012, 15:25
You're next in the 1911-snob club, SG. ;)

I nominate Joe as the president.

:rofl:

The truth is ...once you 'go bl err...better you can't go back!' :rofl:I don't have nearly as many 1911's as you guys, but the more I shoot the smooth ones, the less I enjoy the lesser worked models.

Don't forget guys, an afternoon with a single shot .22, a sammich and a cold Coca-Cola is truly nearly heaven. It's a fine hobby that we have chosen.

ETA: Bac I'll try and send you those BHP ser #'s after Christmas.
Thanks for being willing to look them up for me. Sorry for the drift but I don't expect to be on here very much over the next few days.

wingspar
12-22-2012, 19:30
Iíve had my Taurus PT 1911 just a little less than two months with just around 700 rounds thru it and 3 pairs of grips. Iíve had zero failures. I picked it up OTD for $615. Springfield was my first choice, but no where around here to look at one, and I didnít feel like spending the amount of money they want for them. I asked a lot of questions and held the PT 1911 before I bought it, and Iím quite pleased with my decision.

Read this sticky from the Taurus forum (http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/taurus-armed-news/60557-taurus-international-mfg-inc-factory-tour.html) on the Miami factory tour two mods made. It is quite long with lots of photos and good documentary and worth the read.

bac1023
12-22-2012, 19:46
ETA: Bac I'll try and send you those BHP ser #'s after Christmas.
Thanks for being willing to look them up for me. Sorry for the drift but I don't expect to be on here very much over the next few days.

No problem, SG. Enjoy your holiday :)

Spiffums
12-22-2012, 19:47
Yeah, that one is a great value. Why pay $2500 for a Wilson when you can get a Taurus for a fifth of the price with the same features? :whistling:

Wilson doesn't come with bling bling gold controls! :whistling:

bac1023
12-22-2012, 20:34
Wilson doesn't come with bling bling gold controls! :whistling:

Very true :)

Nakanokalronin
12-22-2012, 21:20
I bought a PT1911 when they first came out for under $400, but it wasn't a good value in the slightest since it was a total POS, reliability, finish and quality wise.

Ruggles
12-22-2012, 21:59
Iíve had my Taurus PT 1911 just a little less than two months with just around 700 rounds thru it and 3 pairs of grips. Iíve had zero failures. I picked it up OTD for $615. Springfield was my first choice, but no where around here to look at one, and I didnít feel like spending the amount of money they want for them. I asked a lot of questions and held the PT 1911 before I bought it, and Iím quite pleased with my decision.

Read this sticky from the Taurus forum (http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/taurus-armed-news/60557-taurus-international-mfg-inc-factory-tour.html) on the Miami factory tour two mods made. It is quite long with lots of photos and good documentary and worth the read.

They seem to be hit or miss, a trait common to a number of Taurus semi autos. Alot of the abuse the PT1911 takes is from the ads they ran portraying it as a $1000+ gun for $500. They just were not accurate.

I liked the Para 1911s I owned, most on here do not care for that brand at all either.

This sub forum is not really a brand snob forum 95% of the time, now the Black Rifle Forum.....well that is a different story :rofl:

bac1023
12-22-2012, 22:58
I bought a PT1911 when they first came out for under $400, but it wasn't a good value in the slightest since it was a total POS, reliability, finish and quality wise.

Yeah, some were really bad.

glock2740
12-23-2012, 04:15
The truth is ... the more I shoot the smooth ones, the less I enjoy the lesser worked models.

Bingo. :cool:

ca survivor
12-24-2012, 11:51
The only thing Springfield's entry level 1911s and the Taurus have in common is their country of origin.

One is a high quality gun built from great IMBEL forgings and the other is a POS marketing gimmick.

I'm not sure why people compare them.

Agreed with you Sir. 100%

Bren
12-24-2012, 12:04
Yeah, that one is a great value. Why pay $2500 for a Wilson when you can get a Taurus for a fifth of the price with the same features? :whistling:

Then again, needing some other guy to build and improve your 1911 is like having a custom hot rod or chopper that some other guy built and not knowing how to fix it. Traditionally, the pride is in making it, not just owning it.

I'd take more pride in a Taurus that I turned into a great gun than in a Wilson I took out of a box.

SFW
12-24-2012, 20:09
I have a PT1911 that I've had for six years now. I have close to 10k rounds through it. It has never had a single issue. Would I like a nice 1911 at some point? Sure. But I'm happy to shoot this one until it doesn't run anymore.

bac1023
12-25-2012, 14:20
Then again, needing some other guy to build and improve your 1911 is like having a custom hot rod or chopper that some other guy built and not knowing how to fix it. Traditionally, the pride is in making it, not just owning it.

I'd take more pride in a Taurus that I turned into a great gun than in a Wilson I took out of a box.

:animlol:

I wouldn't spend a dime trying to turn a Taurus into a great gun, but to each their own.

Sorry, but I'd take more pride in the Wilson. If you want a base gun to customize, you start with a Colt, not a Taurus. You don't sink money into a Taurus.

SFW
12-25-2012, 14:34
So why exactly do we need to have a who's dick is bigger debate every time a new thread starts? Some people like Colts or Wilsons or maybe even Taurus. Does it really matter what logo is stamped on the slide as long as the owner is happy with his/her purchase? I have a Colt and I also have a Taurus. Both shoot great. Neither has had a single issue. My PT1911 is my goto hunting side arm. Every time I pull the trigger it goes bang, and I don't worry about scuffing it up. They are tools. Nothing more.

MD357
12-25-2012, 14:53
Then again, needing some other guy to build and improve your 1911 is like having a custom hot rod or chopper that some other guy built and not knowing how to fix it. Traditionally, the pride is in making it, not just owning it.

I'd take more pride in a Taurus that I turned into a great gun than in a Wilson I took out of a box.

Yeah, I'll take owning a Ferrari over a hopped up Kia any day of the week. Don't care who built either. :supergrin:

MD357
12-25-2012, 14:55
So why exactly do we need to have a who's dick is bigger debate every time a new thread starts? Some people like Colts or Wilsons or maybe even Taurus. Does it really matter what logo is stamped on the slide as long as the owner is happy with his/her purchase? I have a Colt and I also have a Taurus. Both shoot great. Neither has had a single issue. My PT1911 is my goto hunting side arm. Every time I pull the trigger it goes bang, and I don't worry about scuffing it up. They are tools. Nothing more.

Speaking for myself it's not about that. It's about which tools fail by far and large and which don't. Glad yours works though.

bac1023
12-25-2012, 15:08
So why exactly do we need to have a who's dick is bigger debate every time a new thread starts? Some people like Colts or Wilsons or maybe even Taurus. Does it really matter what logo is stamped on the slide as long as the owner is happy with his/her purchase? I have a Colt and I also have a Taurus. Both shoot great. Neither has had a single issue. My PT1911 is my goto hunting side arm. Every time I pull the trigger it goes bang, and I don't worry about scuffing it up. They are tools. Nothing more.

That's cool, merry Christmas to you as well. :cool:

I was simply responding to a poster that quoted me and said he would take more pride in fixing up a Taurus and owning a Wilson. To each their own.

What I said was that's its foolish, in my opinion, to sink money into a Taurus. If you have one and it works great, consider yourself lucky and go on, much as you did. Unless you're just doing some cosmetic improvements like new grips or putting on a better set of sights for improved shooting, why the hell would you sink your hard earned into something that will never be worth more than a used Taurus?

Seriously, why would anyone waste time and money swapping out parts on their PT1911? It will never have the slide and frame fitting that a high end 1911 has and to try and remedy that would really be nuts. The whole concept is ridiculous and I'm sure most would agree.

Quite frankly, I don't give two damns who agrees with me and who doesn't. I never have and probably never will.

Other than a crappy ambi safety, my Taurus 1911 has never malfunctioned. However, I don't like Taurus' marketing nonsense and the way they rigged out their 1911 so cheaply just to include features. For instance, I'd take a smooth front strap over that chicken scratch they call checkering any day.

I'm all for the lower end 1911s. I have many and like them all. I'm not stuck on just shooting $2000+ models. I own several under $500 and a couple under $400, so if people still want to think of me as a 1911 snob, so be it. I'm just trying to be realistic here.

bac1023
12-25-2012, 15:12
Yeah, I'll take owning a Ferrari over a hopped up Kia any day of the week. Don't care who built either. :supergrin:

Yeah, exactly.

That post was ridiculous. I'm glad people have good working Taurus 1911s. Mine has never had a firing malfunction either. However, to sink money into one just seems silly.

I'd take more pride in owning a stock Ferrari than I would a hopped up Hyundai, whether I did the work myself or not.

...and, by the way, I drive a Hyundai every day. Good cars, but certainly not something you sink money into to customize. :cool:

cciman
12-25-2012, 15:18
Can the snobbery not end? How much of this is handed down perception vs. true 1st hand experience-- lotsa testimonials, but very few reasons. I own both SA and Taurus, as well as a Colt, Kimber, Sig. To tell you the truth, looking beyond the brand stamped on the frame, the "quality" "fit/finish" of the "Brand" is not worth the >50% price markup over the Taurus, to me, since they function the same. That's just me.

That is the whole point of this-- you can get both a winner or loser with a 1911 no matter what "The Brand"... The $$Brand$$ can have it losers too, as well as the inexpensive brand-- so you have holding in your hand an expensive loser or a cheap loser.

I think this is where many people throw up their hands, go for a $500 polymer gun.

SFW
12-25-2012, 15:22
BAC, I wasn't trying to slam anyone. So sorry if you took it that way. And I hope you are having a Merry Christmas. :) I just get tired of the my gun is better than yours threads that often happen in the 1911 and AR world. Far too many times we tend to tell people that they have subpar guns without explaining the reasons for that belief. My Cold is a safe queen. Mainly because it is a 1913 production that belonged to my grandfather. It is an excellent example of everything done right on a fine platform. I do cherish the times it does make it to the range. Are there better 1911s than the PT? Sure. But for the money I paid, about $500 out the door, you'd be hard pressed to find a better gun.

fnfalman
12-25-2012, 16:07
Yeah, I'll take owning a Ferrari over a hopped up Kia any day of the week. Don't care who built either. :supergrin:

Unless that hopped up Kia whoops your ass on a race course. Then it'd be awkward...

MD357
12-25-2012, 16:28
Unless that hopped up Kia whoops your ass on a race course. Then it'd be awkward...

True, there are exceptions but I'll play the odds. :supergrin:

fnfalman
12-25-2012, 16:30
True, there are exceptions but I'll play the odds. :supergrin:

Fast and Furious racing against Ferrari Scene - YouTube

KennyFSU
12-25-2012, 16:32
^ Hahaha, love that scene.


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bac1023
12-25-2012, 16:54
BAC, I wasn't trying to slam anyone. So sorry if you took it that way. And I hope you are having a Merry Christmas. :) I just get tired of the my gun is better than yours threads that often happen in the 1911 and AR world. Far too many times we tend to tell people that they have subpar guns without explaining the reasons for that belief. My Cold is a safe queen. Mainly because it is a 1913 production that belonged to my grandfather. It is an excellent example of everything done right on a fine platform. I do cherish the times it does make it to the range. Are there better 1911s than the PT? Sure. But for the money I paid, about $500 out the door, you'd be hard pressed to find a better gun.

I certainly respect your opinion. I personally find the Filipino 1911s to be better values, but that's just my opinion.

Like I said, it's good you have a very reliable Taurus.

MD357
12-25-2012, 21:32
Fast and Furious racing against Ferrari Scene - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5W9Bd_q9gk)


FWIW, I'd rather have her in the passenger seat than Vin Diesel... but hey..... different strokes.... :cool:

Mayhem like Me
12-26-2012, 10:09
No, not at all. A lot of folk bash the PT-1911 but for a sub $400 1911 it will function fine with a forged frame & slide and not let you down.

Unless you shear the lugs off teh barrel or other malady due to a poorly fitted barrel , then send it back and have a go around for 6 months with custimer service on using "hot loads"..
This happened to one of our officers.. I would say no ..to a taurii...

bac1023
12-26-2012, 10:41
Unless you shear the lugs off teh barrel or other malady due to a poorly fitted barrel , then send it back and have a go around for 6 months with custimer service on using "hot loads"..
This happened to one of our officers.. I would say no ..to a taurii...

Inconsistency has always been Taurus' biggest issue. :dunno:

FLIPPER 348
12-26-2012, 23:48
Unless you shear the lugs off teh barrel or other malady due to a poorly fitted barrel , then send it back and have a go around for 6 months with customer service on using "hot loads"..
This happened to one of our officers..



I would avoid 'hot loads' in the first place and if need be fit a new barrel. I don't need any warranty service for any of my 1911s

joecoastie
12-27-2012, 06:53
That happens with successful products.

The Twilight movies were successful, doesn't make them good movies.

FLIPPER 348
12-27-2012, 08:39
They were 'good' to a lot of other people though.

BTW- That's prolly the stupidest analogy I've ever seen on GT, congrats. Dude, you can bash the PT-1911 better than that!

fuzzy03cls
12-27-2012, 10:00
My GI is dated 05 & was still a US made gun. Reason for not selling it.

hooligan74
12-27-2012, 10:23
I would avoid 'hot loads' in the first place and if need be fit a new barrel. I don't need any warranty service for any of my 1911s


I interpreted the quotes around "hot loads" as in Taurus accused him of using hot loads, even though he hadn't, as an excuse to try and not cover the repair under warranty.

I could be way off the mark, however.

faawrenchbndr
12-27-2012, 10:39
Then again, needing some other guy to build and improve your 1911 is like having a custom hot rod or chopper that some other guy built and not knowing how to fix it. Traditionally, the pride is in making it, not just owning it.

I'd take more pride in a Taurus that I turned into a great gun than in a Wilson I took out of a box.

So you ride a bling-bling Honda & not a Harley? :dunno:

faawrenchbndr
12-27-2012, 10:42
My GI is dated 05 & was still a US made gun. Reason for not selling it.

Just a spoiler,.........it IS a Brazillian made GI.

Mayhem like Me
12-27-2012, 11:28
I interpreted the quotes around "hot loads" as in Taurus accused him of using hot loads, even though he hadn't, as an excuse to try and not cover the repair under warranty.

I could be way off the mark, however.

No I think everybody else got it too

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fuzzy03cls
12-27-2012, 12:06
Just a spoiler,.........it IS a Brazillian made GI.
No markings anywhere.....

joecoastie
12-27-2012, 18:53
They were 'good' to a lot of other people though.

BTW- That's prolly the stupidest analogy I've ever seen on GT, congrats. Dude, you can bash the PT-1911 better than that!

Nah, its a great analogy, you're just butthurt because it fits. I don't need to put any effort into bashing it, if you check out this thread there are more than a few former PT-1911 owners giving first hand accounts of its less than stellar quality.

ETA: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1460147

method
12-27-2012, 19:38
No markings anywhere.....

I'm pretty sure all Springfield 1911 frames are made in Brazil, along with other components. Guns that have an 'NM' serial number are assembled in the U.S. from Brazilian made components.

fnfalman
12-27-2012, 19:43
No markings anywhere.....

Look carefully around the flame. The IMBEL Gear Logo is stamped very lightly.

But hey, don't believe us. Springfield guns are all made in America and not Brazil, Croatia, South Korea, ad infinitum.

Ruggles
12-27-2012, 20:08
Some things made in Brazil are stamped as such

http://i46.tinypic.com/11vpn3t.jpg

And some are not

http://i49.tinypic.com/1q4xmh.jpg

In the end does it really matter?

FLIPPER 348
12-27-2012, 20:34
if you check out this thread there are more than a few former PT-1911 owners giving first hand accounts of its less than stellar quality.

....yet they sell for almost 100% more than when they first were introduced in several variations. Yep, that's a poor product! You are just butt-hurt because the Taurus PT-1911 is such a success.

faawrenchbndr
12-27-2012, 21:14
I'm pretty sure all Springfield 1911 frames are made in Brazil, along with other components. Guns that have an 'NM' serial number are assembled in the U.S. from Brazilian made components.

Yep,.....it's been this way since the early nineties. :cool:

t4terrific
12-27-2012, 21:30
Just realized that my SA loaded, that I had to send back for service was 'made in Brazil -Imbel".

My Taurus PT1911 is also made in Brazil, has more standard features and did not need factory trigger service, and cost $300 less. Hmmm...

It's pretty obvious that the quality of the PT1911 is nowhere near that of the 1911A1 though. I've handled, and shot both, and the taurus is subpar when compared to the Springfields, Kimbers, and even the Colts.,

t4terrific
12-27-2012, 21:33
No, not at all. A lot of folk bash the PT-1911 but for a sub $400 1911 it will function fine with a forged frame & slide and not let you down.

While it may be sub $400 in value, they typically list around $600.

bac1023
12-27-2012, 21:34
Some things made in Brazil are stamped as such

http://i46.tinypic.com/11vpn3t.jpg

And some are not

http://i49.tinypic.com/1q4xmh.jpg

In the end does it really matter?

:rofl::rofl:

t4terrific
12-27-2012, 21:36
....yet they sell for almost 100% more than when they first were introduced in several variations. Yep, that's a poor product! You are just butt-hurt because the Taurus PT-1911 is such a success.

As long as you don't mind safeties that come apart while firing, slides that rattle like a fishing lure, and one of the worst reputations in the industry rolled on the flat part of the slide.

t4terrific
12-27-2012, 21:43
country or origin does not indicate quality nor does price.

I agree. My Kimber is better than my Colt, but sells for a hundred dollars less.

bac1023
12-27-2012, 22:09
There are some exceptions, but you generally get what you pay for in the 1911 world.

ilgunguygt
12-28-2012, 01:02
There are some exceptions, but you generally get what you pay for in the 1911 world.
I think the only exception to that is some of the philipino 1911s. They can be pretty crude, but they tend to be reliable and accurate.

bac1023
12-28-2012, 04:47
I think the only exception to that is some of the philipino 1911s. They can be pretty crude, but they tend to be reliable and accurate.

They are generally very good values.

MD357
12-28-2012, 08:24
As long as you don't mind safeties that come apart while firing, slides that rattle like a fishing lure, and one of the worst reputations in the industry rolled on the flat part of the slide.

Don't forget a lawyer/hammer lock that can and will fail. Flipper likes the lock though, if I remember correctly.

SpringerTGO
12-28-2012, 10:58
As long as you don't mind safeties that come apart while firing, slides that rattle like a fishing lure, and one of the worst reputations in the industry rolled on the flat part of the slide.

I have a $3000 1911 with an ambi safety that comes loose, it's the nature of the beast with a 1911. Unless you buy a Wilson Bullet Proof safety. What does a loose slide have to do with anything? Some people say modern 1911's slides are typically fitted too tight for reliability. As long as the barrel locks up properly with the slide and bushing, what's the problem?

I've owned guns from Italy, Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Israel, and Brazil. The least impressive ones I've owned were made in Yonkers N.Y. and Berryville AR (not Wilson).

fnfalman
12-28-2012, 12:58
Don't forget a lawyer/hammer lock that can and will fail. Flipper likes the lock though, if I remember correctly.

Don't Springfields come with lawyer locks too?

Maybe it's a Brazilian thang?

bac1023
12-28-2012, 13:10
Don't forget a lawyer/hammer lock that can and will fail. Flipper likes the lock though, if I remember correctly.

Yeah, because he kept it locked in a backpack at another person's house without disclosing it. :faint:

I remember him posting that once. :shocked:

MD357
12-28-2012, 13:28
Don't Springfields come with lawyer locks too?

Maybe it's a Brazilian thang?

Yep, but they don't fail like the hammer locks do. Which is a retarded design altogether.

COLDSTEEL165
12-29-2012, 02:40
S&W Or the Ruger SR1911 either one are all made in the USA & both are priced that won't hurt your budget.

OMEGA5
12-29-2012, 08:36
Springfield's customer service is excellent, which makes the higher price a better deal to me than the lower priced Taurus and their almost non existant customer service.
Try sending your PT1911 back and then compare the two.

Don't know about your experience with Taurus CS but
the 2 times I called them, they went beyond what I asked
for and overnighted it to boot. Bought a Circuit Judge that
didn't have the choke change tool in the box. One phone
call and 2 days later it was in my mail box. No questions
asked. Same with my Public Defender. Bought it used and
it didn't have the key for the lock. Phone call, 2 days later
2 keys, a Taurus key fob and a hat, in the mail box. All
free of charge. I'll admit, these are small things but it's
the small things that add up. I have no problem with Taurus
or their customer service.
Dano

bac1023
12-30-2012, 18:16
Don't know about your experience with Taurus CS but
the 2 times I called them, they went beyond what I asked
for and overnighted it to boot. Bought a Circuit Judge that
didn't have the choke change tool in the box. One phone
call and 2 days later it was in my mail box. No questions
asked. Same with my Public Defender. Bought it used and
it didn't have the key for the lock. Phone call, 2 days later
2 keys, a Taurus key fob and a hat, in the mail box. All
free of charge. I'll admit, these are small things but it's
the small things that add up. I have no problem with Taurus
or their customer service.
Dano
Glad you had a good experience.