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Zombie Surgeon
12-20-2012, 21:31
A Challenge to All Liberals, Progressives, and RINOs, Who STILL Believe Obama is NOT a Communist (http://www.trevorloudon.com/2012/12/a-challenge-to-all-liberals-progressives-and-rinos-who-still-believe-obama-is-not-a-communist/)

If, after more than four years of Obamunism, you sincerely believe that the man is NOT a communist or in bed with the communists, I offer you this challenge.


Click the blue link to our KeyWiki page on Barack Obama and the Communist Party (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Barack_Obama_and_the_Communist_Party). Read it right through.
Then you can check out his ties to two other anti-American Marxist groups Democratic Socialists of America (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Barack_Obama_and_Democratic_Socialists_of_America) and the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Barack_Obama_and_the_Committees_of_Correspondence).


If you can then rationally tell me why I am wrong in my conclusion that Obama is a long time ally of the Communists, I will do two things:


(A) Refrain from mentioning Obama’s ties to the Communists on this blog ever again.
(B) Withdraw my book Barack Obama, and the Enemies Within (http://www.pacificfreedomfoundation.org/) from the market immediately and permanently.


I’m waiting…
Trevor Loudon

fnfalman
12-20-2012, 21:38
I thought that democrats are already communists? So what's the surprise here?

ColdSteelNail
12-20-2012, 21:39
Try to convince me you're not a fool first.

mj9mm
12-20-2012, 21:42
community organiser, socialist, marxist, communist, spoiled rotten brat, the last one scares me the most:wow:. yes, i'm with you on this

ysr_racer
12-20-2012, 21:46
An illegal immigrant, a muslim, and a communist walk into a bar...

and the bartender asks, "What can I get you Mr. President?"

427
12-20-2012, 21:47
Obama's endorsement by the Communist Party USA is telling.

sns3guppy
12-20-2012, 22:56
To the original poster: you're an idiot.

I haven't the time nor inclination to poke all the holes that your theory deserves, but rest assured, the holes are there, and glaringly so.

Trying to usher in a new era of McCarthyism?

Detectorist
12-20-2012, 23:00
To the original poster: you're an idiot.

I haven't the time nor inclination to poke all the holes that your theory deserves, but rest assured, the holes are there, and glaringly so.

Trying to usher in a new era of McCarthyism?

Yep, insulting the messenger is so much easier than engaging him in intellectual battle.

Zombie Surgeon
12-20-2012, 23:07
Try to convince me you're not a fool first.
To the original poster: you're an idiot.
I haven't the time nor inclination to poke all the holes that your theory deserves, but rest assured, the holes are there, and glaringly so.
Trying to usher in a new era of McCarthyism?


Silly libs...your God and Savior is just a mere mortal.

HollowHead
12-20-2012, 23:11
Yep, insulting the messenger is so much easier than engaging him in intellectual battle.

He brought a knife to a gunfight. And a dull one at that. HH

M2 Carbine
12-20-2012, 23:21
Still Believe Obama Is Not A Communist?
Oh you are really going to make the obama leg humpers mad. :rofl:

They may send obama's terrorist mentor, Bill Ayers, to blow you up,
or,
obama's American hating, racist preacher, Jeremiah Wright, might send the Black Panthers after you to kill Whitey.

RyanBDawg
12-20-2012, 23:24
If Obama is a Communist, he is doing a terrible job at being one..

Remind me, how much money did he give to the banks?

Not very communistic.

HollowHead
12-20-2012, 23:25
Obama's American hating, racist preacher, Jeremiah Wright,

Muslim's have preachers? HH

fnfalman
12-20-2012, 23:35
Muslim's have preachers? HH

I thought that Obama is a communist, ergo an atheist?

Magnus2131
12-21-2012, 01:08
Muslim's have preachers? HH
His Christianity was for show.

Zombie Surgeon
12-21-2012, 05:28
I thought that Obama is a communist, ergo an atheist?
Islam and communism can coexist. E.G. the Baath Party in Iraq, Syria and Egypt.

RyanBDawg
12-21-2012, 06:13
Islam and communism can coexist. E.G. the Baath Party in Iraq, Syria and Egypt.

The Ba'ath party labels itself as socialist but the have purged communists as well. The Ba'ath party was actually founded by an Arab Christian.

mgs
12-21-2012, 06:15
Just call him who he is ......Barry. He's as fake as his name.

jeager
12-21-2012, 06:42
If Obama is a Communist, he is doing a terrible job at being one..

Remind me, how much money did he give to the banks?

Not very communistic.

pick and choose your bankers and industrialists:

Fascism

Even 'dolf was intimidated by Mussolini

:wavey:

OctoberRust
12-21-2012, 06:47
How old do you guys think zombie surgeon is?

Ruble Noon
12-21-2012, 06:54
pick and choose your bankers and industrialists:

Fascism

Even 'dolf was intimidated by Mussolini

:wavey:

Winner!

KalashniKEV
12-21-2012, 07:02
How old do you guys think zombie surgeon is?

14.

...and if I am presented with irresputable proof to the contrary, I will edit this post and my upcoming post "Some of you guys brains are infected."

Baba Louie
12-21-2012, 07:18
Remind me, how much money did he give to the banks?

Not very communistic. Enough to control them? Take down UBS for known money laundering or exact a toll?

As for the Big O being a commie... we will watch as water seeks its own level all across the American job market, the "rich" become marginalized and the "poor" are made to feel better about doing nothing and getting paid for it, the political opposition ridiculed, demonized and watch it dwindle to naught.

I'll check out the crazy kiwi's book. He very well may be onto something a lot of us suspect but know we dare not utter the words, lest reprisals occur.

GAFinch
12-21-2012, 07:33
Lets see...a large chunk of the auto industry has been nationalized, car loans have been largely nationalized, student loans have been nationalized, mortgages are nationalized, the banking industry as a whole is centrally planned, health care is being nationalized, the energy sector is being centrally planned via stimulus money and the EPA, class warfare is openly promoted, voting suppression is ignored, voting fraud protection is being suppressed, Barry has a kill list, Barry has an enemies list, he's admitted to being a communist and seeking out communist professors and friends in his books, he was a member of a local socialist party while a state senator in Illinois, he's said before that he wants all guns banned, he's apparently spying on Americans without a warrant, without probable cause, and without judicial or legislative oversight, etc.

Don't fall into the trap of defining communism/fascism/socialism using 100 year old definitions...they've all evolved and co-mingled their ideologies over time.

certifiedfunds
12-21-2012, 07:49
Lets see...a large chunk of the auto industry has been nationalized, car loans have been largely nationalized, student loans have been nationalized, mortgages are nationalized, the banking industry as a whole is centrally planned, health care is being nationalized, the energy sector is being centrally planned via stimulus money and the EPA, class warfare is openly promoted, voting suppression is ignored, voting fraud protection is being suppressed, Barry has a kill list, Barry has an enemies list, he's admitted to being a communist and seeking out communist professors and friends in his books, he was a member of a local socialist party while a state senator in Illinois, he's said before that he wants all guns banned, he's apparently spying on Americans without a warrant, without probable cause, and without judicial or legislative oversight, etc.

Don't fall into the trap of defining communism/fascism/socialism using 100 year old definitions...they've all evolved and co-mingled their ideologies over time.

His parents were marxists. He was raised by marxist grandparents. He was mentored by a marxist. His pastor is a marxist. He launched his political career in the home of a marxist terrorist. He brought marxists into the White House as high level advisors.

Nothing to see here.

Adjuster
12-21-2012, 08:16
An illegal immigrant, a muslim, and a communist walk into a bar...

and the bartender asks, "What can I get you Mr. President?"


I'm not a President basher but this made me laugh. :rofl:



/

Cybercowboy
12-21-2012, 08:32
Hell, he wrote in his own book that he sought out the Marxist professors in college. His mother and grandparents were communists, his father was forced out of his political job for trying to bring communism to Kenya. Obama's book "Dreams of My Father" was about how he wished to carry on his father's work. He wrote out of his life various relatives who were not sufficiently "down with the cause."

He was even a member of a communist front political group during the 90's in Chicago. No, he's not trying to turn the USA into Soviet Russia, but his entire modus operandi reeks of a typical modern Marxistphile.

Cybercowboy
12-21-2012, 08:34
Here's the thing with hard-core Obama supporters. They don't think he's a communist, but if he was they wouldn't care because, to them, there's nothing inherently wrong with being a communist. That's it in a nutshell.

Zombie Surgeon
12-21-2012, 08:36
How old do you guys think zombie surgeon is?
How stupid and irrelevant do you guys think the question above is?

Zombie Surgeon
12-21-2012, 08:39
Oh you are really going to make the obama leg humpers mad. :rofl:


You were so right my friend...:rofl:

P99er
12-21-2012, 08:44
I thought that democrats are already communists?

You say tomahto, I say dahmater.

mhambi
12-21-2012, 08:48
Barak Obama is not a communist! He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist... but he is *not* a porn star!

aircarver
12-21-2012, 08:51
The difference between socialists and communists is the socialists are dependent on someone else making the money for them to re-distribute. The socialists become communists when they do something themselves about 'the means of production'.

Maobama crossed into communist territory when he seized the motor companies, tossed the real owners out on their asses, and gave the companies to the unions (wholly owned subsidiaries of the DNC) to run [into the ground].

.

Zombie Surgeon
12-21-2012, 08:51
Ever wondered why Valerie Jarett runs the show in the Obama WH?
Quoted from the article at the link:
Vernon Jarrett (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Vernon_Jarrett) was a prominent Chicago journalist and was a family friend and later father-in-law of Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Valerie_Jarrett).
In the 1940s Jarrett worked in several communist influenced organizations in Chicago, including serving on the publicity committee of the communist controlled Packing House Workers Strike Committee (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php?title=Packing_House_Workers_Strike_Committee&action=edit&redlink=1), with Frank Marshall Davis (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Frank_Marshall_Davis).
He also ran a radio show with Communist Party USA (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Communist_Party_USA) member Oscar Brown, Jr. (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Oscar_Brown%2C_Jr.)
Vernon Jarrett (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Vernon_Jarrett) was also a fan of Barack Obama (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Barack_Obama). He watched his career from its early stages and became an influential supporter.
In 1992 Obama worked for the ACORN (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/ACORN) offshoot, Project Vote (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Project_Vote) to register black voters in aid of the Senate Campaign of Carol Moseley Braun (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Carol_Moseley_Braun)-who had strong Communist Party USA (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Communist_Party_USA) ties and was Harold Washington (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Harold_Washington)'s legislative floor leader.
Obama helped Carol Moseley Braun (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Carol_Moseley_Braun) win her Senate seat, then took it over himself in 2004-backed by the same communist/socialist alliance that had elected Washington and Moseley Braun.
Commenting on the 1992 race, Vernon Jarrett (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Vernon_Jarrett) wrote in the Chicago Sun-Times of August 11th 1992;
Good news! Good news! Project Vote, a collectivity of 10 church-based community organizations dedicated to black voter registration, is off and running. Project Vote is increasing its rolls at a 7,000-per-week clip...If Project Vote is to reach its goal of registering 150,000 out of an estimated 400,000 unregistered blacks statewide, "it must average 10,000 rather than 7,000 every week," says Barack Obama, the program's executive director... Dee Myles (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Dee_Myles), a Chicago based chair of the Education Commission of the Communist Party USA (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Communist_Party_USA) penned a tribute to Vernon Jarrett (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Vernon_Jarrett), for the People's Weekly World (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/People%27s_Weekly_World) of June 5th, 2004.
Readers like me can be extremely selective of the journalists we read habitually... We are selective about the journalists to whom we become insatiably addicted, and once hooked we develop a constructive love affair without the romance...
Such was my experience with Vernon Jarrett, an African American journalist in Chicago who died at the age of 86 on May 23. I became a Vernon Jarrett addict, and I am proud of it!
Vernon Jarrett’s career as a journalist in Chicago began and ended at the Chicago Defender, the African American daily paper. In between, he was the first Black journalist at the Chicago Tribune, and I first began to read his articles during his tenure at the Chicago Sun-Times.
Jarrett’s claim to fame is that he was a partisan of the cause of African Americans in the broad democratic tradition of Paul Robeson and W.E.B. DuBois...
Paul Robeson (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Paul_Robeson) and W.E.B. DuBois (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/W.E.B._DuBois) were both Communist Party USA (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Communist_Party_USA) members. On April 9th, 1998 at Chicago's South Shore Cultural Center, Vernon Jarrett hosted a Paul Robeson Citywide Centennial Celebration event, with his old comrade and Party sympathiser Margaret Burroughs (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Margaret_Burroughs) and former Communist Party USA (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Communist_Party_USA) members Studs Terkel (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Studs_Terkel) and his old friend Oscar Brown, Jr. (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Oscar_Brown%2C_Jr.)
Dee Myles (http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Dee_Myles) went on to say;
Jarrett was fanatical about African Americans registering and voting in mass for socially conscious candidates. He championed Harold Washington like a great warrior, and this March, from his hospital bed, wrote an article appealing to Black Chicago to turn out to vote for Barack Obama in the Illinois primaries. Obama astounded everyone with an incredible landslide victory as the progressive, Black candidate for the Democratic Party nomination for the U.S. Senate seat from Illinois. From his sickbed, Vernon Jarrett issued a clarion call, and the people responded.

Zombie Surgeon
12-21-2012, 08:55
The difference between socialists and communists is the socialists are dependent on someone else making the money for them to re-distribute. The socialists become communists when they do something themselves about 'the means of production'.

Maobama crossed into communist territory when he seized the motor companies, tossed the real owners out on their asses, and gave the companies to the unions (wholly owned subsidiaries of the DNC) to run [into the ground].
.
The difference between socialists and communists is the socialists don't have all the guns yet.
But they're in process of doing it right now.

aircarver
12-21-2012, 09:03
The difference between socialists and communists is the socialists don't have all the guns yet.
But they're in process of doing it right now.

Yep !

Although they did quite well hosing the auto industry with the 'legal system' ... :frown:

.

Boot Stomper
12-21-2012, 21:46
The modern Progressives are Communist. Back in the early 1900s the Progressives differed from Communist in that the Progressives were people of religious belief. They believed the Communist model would fail in Russia and other places because they were Godless atheist. The current Progressive movement in the U.S. has purged itself of the religious aspect. They are only Progressive in name, but Communist in beliefs.

I laugh when people were saying Obama is a Muslim. He is not a Muslim. He is not a Christian. He is a Socialist/ Communist. How often does Obama step into a church and not deliver a political speech? Churchs are placed to worship God, not to hold a fund raiser or a political rally. Progressives wordhip Government and Obama is the "Cult of Personality".

If you do not know what a "Cult of Personaity" is check it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality

oldman11
12-21-2012, 22:45
To the original poster: you're an idiot.

I haven't the time nor inclination to poke all the holes that your theory deserves, but rest assured, the holes are there, and glaringly so.

Trying to usher in a new era of McCarthyism?
The ties are there whether you want to admit it or not.

sns3guppy
12-22-2012, 22:48
The ties are there whether you want to admit it or not.

That would be clever if it weren't a lie; invalidate anything anyone has to say in disagreement before they say it.

The truth is that the links referenced at the outset of the article are not credible. Moreover, their "proof" is not even adequately circumstantial at best, let alone anything approaching evidence. Communist groups are alleged to say that the President is their friend. If a man on death row for murder states that I'm his friend, does that make me his friend, let alone a murderer?

Of course not. Neither does a communist group stating that the President is their friend make the President a communist. Utter claptrap.

Silly libs...your God and Savior is just a mere mortal.

You quoted me and then made that statement. I'm not a liberal. My God and Savior isn't on this earth, and is no mortal.

You're confused, and others were right. You're 14 years old, aren't you? Vying to be the next Senator McCarthy?

OctoberRust
12-22-2012, 22:55
How stupid and irrelevant do you guys think the question above is?


I've always wondered, judging by your posts.

Kalish went easy on you, what he said was an insult to most 14 year olds, in my opinion.

Zombie Surgeon
12-22-2012, 22:58
You're confused, and others were right. You're 14 years old, aren't you? Vying to be the next Senator McCarthy?

This may be news for an ignorant lib like you, but McCarthy was right.
Read The Venona Secrets, Exposing Soviet Espionage and America's Traitors: Herbert Romerstein, Eric Breindel: 9780895262257: Amazon.com: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41jt6wmejRL.@@AMEPARAM@@41jt6wmejRL

Here is one of the last great, untold stories of World War II and the Cold War. In 1995 the Venona documents—secret Soviet cable traffic from the 1940s that the United States intercepted and eventually decrypted—finally became available to American historians.
Now, after spending more than five years researching all the available evidence, espionage experts Herbert Romerstein and Eric Breindel reveal the full, shocking story of the days when Soviet spies ran their fingers through America’s atomic-age secrets.
Included in The Venona Secrets are the details of the spying activities that reached from Harry Hopkins in Franklin Roosevelt’s White House to Alger Hiss in the State Department to Harry Dexter White in the Treasury. More than that, The Venona Secrets exposes:
 New information that links Albert Einstein to Soviet intelligence and conclusive evidence showing that J. Robert Oppenheimer gave Moscow our atomic secrets  How Soviet espionage reached its height when the United States and the Soviet Union were supposedly allies in World War II  The previously unsuspected vast network of Soviet spies in America  How the Venona documents confirm the controversial revelations made in the 1940s by former Soviet agents Whittaker Chambers and Elizabeth Bentley  The role of the American Communist Party in supporting and directing Soviet agents  How Stalin’s paranoia had him target Jews (code-named “Rats”) and Trotskyites—even after Trotsky’s death  How the Soviets penetrated America’s own intelligence services
The Venona Secrets is a masterful compendium of spy versus spy that puts the Venona transcripts in context with secret FBI reports, congressional investigations, and documents recently uncovered in the former Soviet archives. Romerstein and Breindel cast a spotlight on one of the most shadowy episodes in recent American history—a past when treason infected Washington and Soviet agents were shielded, either wittingly or unwittingly, by our very own government officials.

Jgriggs
12-23-2012, 00:09
That would be clever if it weren't a lie; invalidate anything anyone has to say in disagreement before they say it.

The truth is that the links referenced at the outset of the article are not credible. Moreover, their "proof" is not even adequately circumstantial at best, let alone anything approaching evidence. Communist groups are alleged to say that the President is their friend. If a man on death row for murder states that I'm his friend, does that make me his friend, let alone a murderer?

Of course not. Neither does a communist group stating that the President is their friend make the President a communist. Utter claptrap.



You quoted me and then made that statement. I'm not a liberal. My God and Savior isn't on this earth, and is no mortal.

You're confused, and others were right. You're 14 years old, aren't you? Vying to be the next Senator McCarthy?

Well actually Obama identifies himself as a Marxist in his book. So unless he is guilty of McCarthyism too. . .

Of course none of it really matters at this point.

cowboy1964
12-23-2012, 00:31
Hmm, didn't realize Commies were big on labor unions.

:dunno:

Seems more like a Euro-Socialist to me.

cowboy1964
12-23-2012, 00:33
Well actually Obama identifies himself as a Marxist in his book.

Page number so I can look that up? Or better yet a link?

stevelyn
12-23-2012, 00:41
Still Believe Obama Is Not A Communist?

Only the naive or liars who are closet commies themselves are the only ones telling us he's not a Marxist PoS.

vikingsoftpaw
12-23-2012, 00:59
I thought that democrats are already communists? So what's the surprise here?


I use to work for a guy who's parents instructed his to never vote for a Democrat. They were to close to communism.

Given that his parents took rifle fire while escaping from Soviet Occupied Bulgaria, I think they know commies when they see them...

Jgriggs
12-23-2012, 02:52
Page number so I can look that up? Or better yet a link?

Paperback version of Dreams of my Father Pg 100-101.


Obama explains further developing his Marxist paradigm in college - YouTube

Nothing you haven't already heard, nothing you will accept now.
In his own words he sought out Marxists because it is what he believed in. He is a product of his upbringing. He was raised with this belief system, it is who he actively sought out and it is the President we have. To deny it is to ignore the facts, it is to bury your head in the sand. As others have posted already many industries have been nationalized/socialized under his watch. He said flat out that he was going to fundamentally change America, keep that promise in mind and look at what he has done.

Anyway, I gave you the page number and a link complete with his own words in his own voice. Now, I know you will say it's just silly stuff college students say. In this case though he is acting on them. Open your eyes, If you are Democrat that's fine, but this man is openly saying who he is and what he wants. For us to be calling him out on it is not surprising, what I personally don't understand is why so many people are arguing with his words and his acquaintances, never mind his actions.

Like I said though, it doesn't matter he has been re-elected and you won't acknowledge any of this anyway. As long as you understand that a gun owner voting for a democrat is like a chicken voting for the fox.

glockski
12-23-2012, 08:01
I know that a lot of gay people are on this forum but I did not realize how many marxist are on here. It looks like the two go hand in hand.

sns3guppy
12-23-2012, 21:23
The President of the United States is no communist. He's a Democrat, having sought out, received, and accepted the Democratic nomination, and having received the vote of the people as the President.

Perhaps you didn't vote for him. That doesn't make him a communist, either.

Martin Luther King Jr. was rejected on almost every quarter. He investigated the communist party as well as a source of support. That didn't make him a communist.

In the McCarthy era, the saying went that "attend one party, and you're labled for life." Seems some here are stupid enough to believe that.

President Obama is no communist.

I'm no liberal. Chances are I own a lot more firearms than you. Chances are I shoot them a lot more than you. After attending several combat actions and spending a number of years doing my duty on behalf of my country, and having a fairly firm footing on solid ground, I've never met anyone who knew me who'd have called me a liberal. Our 14 year old know-it-all, however, seems to believe otherwise.

You might be surprised how many non-liberals voted for the President.

Zombie Surgeon
12-23-2012, 21:33
The President of the United States is no communist. .

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kXGhV5D_kN4/T7Jqu84V8-I/AAAAAAAAGLQ/UCmQFNmIjTs/s1600/walks+like+a+duck.JPG

meathead19
12-23-2012, 21:45
Ok....he's a socialist then.

philipk
12-23-2012, 21:46
The President of the United States is no communist. He's a Democrat, having sought out, received, and accepted the Democratic nomination, and having received the vote of the people as the President.

Perhaps you didn't vote for him. That doesn't make him a communist, either.

Martin Luther King Jr. was rejected on almost every quarter. He investigated the communist party as well as a source of support. That didn't make him a communist.

In the McCarthy era, the saying went that "attend one party, and you're labled for life." Seems some here are stupid enough to believe that.

President Obama is no communist.

I'm no liberal. Chances are I own a lot more firearms than you. Chances are I shoot them a lot more than you. After attending several combat actions and spending a number of years doing my duty on behalf of my country, and having a fairly firm footing on solid ground, I've never met anyone who knew me who'd have called me a liberal. Our 14 year old know-it-all, however, seems to believe otherwise.

You might be surprised how many non-liberals voted for the President.

It takes guts to stand up to the paranoid people in the thread.

Love him or hate him, Obama is not a communist.

Actually, from an economic point of view his policies are very much like the moderate Republicans of the 1970's. His economic views are pretty much the same a President Gerald Ford.

bushhogg
12-23-2012, 21:49
Yep yep yall have all hit the nail on the head

HollowHead
12-23-2012, 21:59
It takes guts to stand up to the paranoid people in the thread.

Love him or hate him, Obama is not a communist.

Actually, from an economic point of view his policies are very much like the moderate Republicans of the 1970's. His economic views are pretty much the same a President Gerald Ford.

I did not vote for Obama, but had a pause of conscience in the booth when I did pull the lever simply because Obama did sign off on allowing us to now bear arms in the national park system. I'd feel better if a Republican president had done the same, but they would not. HH

schild
12-24-2012, 04:24
I thought that Obama is a communist, ergo an atheist?

He needs more than one "beard".

Bren
12-24-2012, 06:19
I laugh when people were saying Obama is a Muslim. He is not a Muslim. He is not a Christian. He is a Socialist/ Communist.

That would explain why he doesn't seem to have strong feeling about whichever religion is "his" and why he has occasionally referred to himself as a muslim. Clearly, in America, you don't get elected president without saying you're a christian, but that seems to be Obama's only interest in it.

series1811
12-24-2012, 07:02
Try to convince me you're not a fool first.

What a rebuttal.

What we all have to keep in mind is that we think Obama supporters don't realize exactly what Obama is trying to do, and that they don't support him one hundred per cent in that effort.

They do and they do.

Zombie Surgeon
12-24-2012, 08:23
It takes guts to stand up to the paranoid people in the thread.

Love him or hate him, Obama is not a communist.



Paranoid?
Listen bub...I lived the first 26 years of my life in a communist hellhole. Tomorrow, Christmas day has a secondary meaning to me: it's the 23rd anniversary of the day me and my former compatriots filled a communist dictator with hot lead. I believe I have more experience with communism than your family, your friends and all of the dumbarses who post their crap here defending Obama.
So don't tell me Obama is not a communist. I wasn't born yesterday and I wasn't born in a free country with a capitalist silver spoon in my mouth like you. I know a communist when I see one.
You are in such a state of denial and adoration for Obama you wouldn't know he's a communist if he would bleachslap you over your face with his Communist Party membership card.

coastal4974
12-24-2012, 08:56
Communist, Fascist, Socialist, Marxist, any of those describe him more than American.

By his own definition he is un-American. He thinks of capitalism as the enemy. Why is it hard to think that those who support him feel the same.

K.Kiser
12-24-2012, 09:00
I'm curious on what grounds people say that he's not a socialist/ communist/ muslim... It's evident from the word go in his speakings, his actions, and the company he keeps... I guess we're at the point of ignorance and denial in this country that we still don't believe another persons shortcomings even after said person in question admits it, writes about it, and acts on it... Amazing, but furthermore very scary...

schild
12-24-2012, 09:09
I'm curious on what grounds people say that he's not a socialist/ communist/ muslim... It's evident from the word go in his speakings, his actions, and the company he keeps... I guess we're at the point of ignorance and denial in this country that we still don't believe another persons shortcomings even after said person in question admits it, writes about it, and acts on it... Amazing, but furthermore very scary...

+1.....I agree.

sns3guppy
12-24-2012, 09:25
So don't tell me Obama is not a communist. I wasn't born yesterday and I wasn't born in a free country with a capitalist silver spoon in my mouth like you. I know a communist when I see one.

The President of the United States is not a communist.

You act as though you were born yesterday, and speak as though you were.

"Capitalist silver spoon?" Really, comrade?

You apparently don't know a communist when you see one.

The President belongs not to the Communist Party, but to the National Democratic Party.

The President has not initiated nor pursued any communist agenda. The President belongs to no communist organizations. The President didn't move toward socialized medicine, but toward seeking that everyone find their own insurance...the opposite direction of communism or socialism.

This thread of yours is nearly as stupid as the pre-election one claiming (falsely, of course) that Obama wears a ring with muslim inscriptions. That was easily enough debunked, and your claims of communism are equally foolish.

More importantly, were the President to be a communist, which he is not, he'd have every right to be under the Constitution. He's not, however. He's a Democrat. Under the law, it's legal to be a communist.

Whatever you imagine the President to be, there's a big difference between you and your expert powers of observation in seeking out and exposing communists the world over, and the President. You were never elected to be President by the people of the United States...and you'll never be able to hold that office, either.

The same freedoms that allow you to spout off with wild, unfounded accusations and misplaced insufficient circumstantial references allow the President to run, be elected, and preside over the nation. If you don't like that, your option would be to run against him...but you can't do that, can you?

It would be very easy to say that if you don't like the democratic process, you should go back from whence you came. However, you're allowed the freedom to say what you will, however untruthful and foolish it may be, and the President is allowed to become President, just as he's done, thanks to that democratic process.

You're perfectly entitled to believe what you will, but it won't change the fact that the President is still the President, and you're...some kid allegedly from the wrong side of the tracks.

philipk
12-24-2012, 09:28
Paranoid?
Listen bub...I lived the first 26 years of my life in a communist hellhole. Tomorrow, Christmas day has a secondary meaning to me: it's the 23rd anniversary of the day me and my former compatriots filled a communist dictator with hot lead. I believe I have more experience with communism than your family, your friends and all of the dumbarses who post their crap here defending Obama.
So don't tell me Obama is not a communist. I wasn't born yesterday and I wasn't born in a free country with a capitalist silver spoon in my mouth like you. I know a communist when I see one.
You are in such a state of denial and adoration for Obama you wouldn't know he's a communist if he would bleachslap you over your face with his Communist Party membership card.

Tell me what communist programs he started?

Did he NATIONALIZE any of the following?

Factories
Banks
Railroads
Airlines
Hospitals
Doctor's practices
Utilities

If he is a communist he is the world's worst!

Bush loaned money to the Auto industry and banks. Obama saw it through. They were loans and not nationalization. Obama passed Obama care. It will be PRIVATE insurances providing coverage and no nationalization.

Either you are lying about your past or you forgot it.

There is NOTHING in our society that is even close to a communist hellhole.

If we are becoming a communist hellhole, what is the rest of the world?

We are by far the most conservative government on this planet!

Zombie Surgeon
12-24-2012, 09:30
The President of the United States is not a communist.

You act as though you were born yesterday, and speak as though you were.

"Capitalist silver spoon?" Really, comrade?

You apparently don't know a communist when you see one.

The President belongs not to the Communist Party, but to the National Democratic Party.

The President has not initiated nor pursued any communist agenda. The President belongs to no communist organizations. The President didn't move toward socialized medicine, but toward seeking that everyone find their own insurance...the opposite direction of communism or socialism.

This thread of yours is nearly as stupid as the pre-election one claiming (falsely, of course) that Obama wears a ring with muslim inscriptions. That was easily enough debunked, and your claims of communism are equally foolish.

More importantly, were the President to be a communist, which he is not, he'd have every right to be under the Constitution. He's not, however. He's a Democrat. Under the law, it's legal to be a communist.

Whatever you imagine the President to be, there's a big difference between you and your expert powers of observation in seeking out and exposing communists the world over, and the President. You were never elected to be President by the people of the United States...and you'll never be able to hold that office, either.

The same freedoms that allow you to spout off with wild, unfounded accusations and misplaced insufficient circumstantial references allow the President to run, be elected, and preside over the nation. If you don't like that, your option would be to run against him...but you can't do that, can you?

It would be very easy to say that if you don't like the democratic process, you should go back from whence you came. However, you're allowed the freedom to say what you will, however untruthful and foolish it may be, and the President is allowed to become President, just as he's done, thanks to that democratic process.

You're perfectly entitled to believe what you will, but it won't change the fact that the President is still the President, and you're...some kid allegedly from the wrong side of the tracks.

As I said: you wouldn't know he's a communist if he would bleachslap you over your face with his Communist Party membership card.

Zombie Surgeon
12-24-2012, 09:41
Tell me what communist programs he started?

Did he NATIONALIZE any of the following?

Factories
Banks
Railroads
Airlines
Hospitals
Doctor's practices
Utilities

If he is a communist he is the world's worst!

Bush loaned money to the Auto industry and banks. Obama saw it through. They were loans and not nationalization. Obama passed Obama care. It will be PRIVATE insurances providing coverage and no nationalization.

Really?
Any of the following rings a bell?
-Student loans (http://www.sfgate.com/business/networth/article/Feds-take-over-student-loan-program-from-banks-3193888.php)
-Government run healthcare (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=615). The insurance companies may be private (for now), but the decisions of who gets what and when are made by the government.
-Ripping off GM shareholders and bondholders and gifting the company to his UAW buddies free of charge (http://nlpc.org/stories/2010/10/28/gm-ipo-buyer-beware)? How is that not Marxist redistribution?

Roger1079
12-24-2012, 10:12
He brought a knife to a gunfight. And a dull one at that. HHI would say it would be more like a spoon. I wouldn't even give him the credit of a dull knife.

philipk
12-24-2012, 10:27
Really?
Any of the following rings a bell?
Student loans?

I already commented on your two of your points.

The student loan problem is a problem caused by PRIVATIZATION.

When the government ran it it had strict standards on educational institutions.

When the government went to Republican guarantee of the loans and had the bank issue the loans, greedy people came in to damage the program.

This included fly by night Lark's School of Towel Folding schools that got poor people to borrow the max with no real training.

Who benefited?

Private schools and the banks who got their money.

Who was hurt?

The students who currently can not go bankrupt on the loans and taxpayers.

Thus it was a socialized program from the sixties ruined by capitalism.

Very bad example.

nursetim
12-24-2012, 10:44
OP, was it you that posted "Agenda:the Grinding of America"? That documentary says it all, coupled with Paul Harvey's audio "If I was the devil". The first one is Christian oriented that may put off some people enough to drown out the message. I'm not saying it is a bad thing, just an observation. I probably wouldn't say HWSNBN is a full on communist, socialist yes, the useful idiots of the communist that lead to communism.


To the original poster: you're an idiot.

I haven't the time nor inclination to poke all the holes that your theory deserves, but rest assured, the holes are there, and glaringly so.

Trying to usher in a new era of McCarthyism?

This poster is neither willing nor capable of putting forth a cogent argument. He/she just knows that the evidence put forth is incogruent with the propaganda fed him/her. Therefore this clip is awarded: Billy Madison - Ultimate Insult (Academic Decathlon) - YouTube

sns3guppy
12-24-2012, 10:52
As I said: you wouldn't know he's a communist if he would bleachslap you over your face with his Communist Party membership card.

I certainly would, but given your position in this discussion, clearly you would not.

Then again, you've associated the President with communism, and made a point to emphasize that you killed your former communist leader. It wouldn't be too much of a curved line to put the two together, would it.

Be careful you don't cross the line from smart-mouthed fool to seditionist. Your postings fall just short of crossing the line.

Zombie Surgeon
12-24-2012, 11:44
Be careful you don't cross the line from smart-mouthed fool to seditionist. Your postings fall just short of crossing the line.

So now you threaten me?
Go ahead, file an informative report with the Homeland Security. Or whatever government agency you rat the enemies of your Dear Leader to. I dare you.

Zombie Surgeon
12-24-2012, 11:50
This poster is neither willing nor capable of putting forth a cogent argument. He/she just knows that the evidence put forth is incogruent with the propaganda fed him/her. Therefore this clip is awarded: Billy Madison - Ultimate Insult (Academic Decathlon) - YouTube (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0)

Here are two clips you may learn something from:

http://youtu.be/5gnpCqsXE8g

http://youtu.be/y3qkf3bajd4


And by the way: McCarty was right. Declassified KGB archives proves it (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/venona/intercepts.html).

kirgi08
12-24-2012, 12:44
His parents were marxists. He was raised by marxist grandparents. He was mentored by a marxist. His pastor is a marxist. He launched his political career in the home of a marxist terrorist. He brought marxists into the White House as high level advisors.

Nothing to see here.

Ya reckon.'08. :shocked:

oldman11
12-24-2012, 13:45
So now you threaten me?
Go ahead, file an informative report with the Homeland Security. Or whatever government agency you rat the enemies of your Dear Leader to. I dare you.
Yep, you're right, it sure sounds like a threat to me. Are threats allowed on this board? Kind of sounds like a commie or marxist threat to me.

Jgriggs
12-24-2012, 14:48
The President didn't move toward socialized medicine, but toward seeking that everyone find their own insurance...the opposite direction of communism or socialism.

Well, no actually he settled for that.
He wanted single payer, universal health care.

Single payer is described here, wouldn't want let you bastardize the definition.

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/what-is-single-payer <--- notice that's a lefty site too.

The fact that he couldn't get it when he was in complete control of all parts of the federal government for the first two years is very telling of how far away from the American ideology it is.
So rest assured, we are all required by law to purchase a product, if we can't afford it the feds will pay for it. In time they will simply take over all aspects of it. It is not a slippery slope, it is one foot in the door at a time. But I digress, the point is that yes, like a good communist, he does wish to nationalize health care. You simply cannot deny it, all you can do is lie about it.

Ringo S.
12-24-2012, 14:53
Trying to usher in a new era of McCarthyism?
No, McCarthy was amateur. Stalinism with conservatives in charge needed to turn the course of the country...

philipk
12-24-2012, 14:58
Well, no actually he settled for that.
He wanted single payer, universal health care.

Single payer is described here, wouldn't want let you bastardize the definition.

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/what-is-single-payer <--- notice that's a lefty site too.

The fact that he couldn't get it when he was in complete control of all parts of the federal government for the first two years is very telling of how far away from the American ideology it is.
So rest assured, we are all required by law to purchase a product, if we can't afford it the feds will pay for it. In time they will simply take over all aspects of it. It is not a slippery slope, it is one foot in the door at a time. But I digress, the point is that yes, like a good communist, he does wish to nationalize health care. You simply cannot deny it, all you can do is lie about it.

So Winston Churchill was also a communist.

Though he was originally opposed the NHS in the UK, he later was a huge supporter of socialized medicine.

Thus, by your definition what many historians consider the greatest leader of the 20th century was a communist.

NICE!

Jgriggs
12-24-2012, 15:08
yes England is socialist in many ways.

Nice attempt at deflecting though.

Obamas idea of "health care reform" is to socialize it which is exactly what the excerpt that I quoted said he wasn't trying to do. Clearly he is, and comparing him to other socialist countries isn't the strongest argument you can make.

Jgriggs
12-24-2012, 15:09
For the record, I am not saying communist, I don't think he is a communist. He is a socilist Marxist.

IvanVic
12-24-2012, 15:55
He's definitely a socialist. Calling him a communist doesn't make sense.

Zombie Surgeon
12-24-2012, 16:38
He's definitely a socialist. Calling him a communist doesn't make sense.

Remember this: a socialist is nothing but a communist who doesn't have all your guns yet. Obama is about to get them. Then you'll see who he really is. But it will be too late by then.

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Zombie Surgeon
12-24-2012, 16:42
No, McCarthy was amateur. Stalinism with conservatives in charge needed to turn the course of the country...

This is just precious, coming from a self admitted admirer of Stalin.
:rolleyes:

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sns3guppy
12-24-2012, 19:18
So now you threaten me?
Go ahead, file an informative report with the Homeland Security. Or whatever government agency you rat the enemies of your Dear Leader to. I dare you.

I didn't threaten you. I quoted you and referenced your comments. It was you that boasted about shooting to death your former leader for communism, while going to great lengths to make a fool of yourself being incorrect about our present leadership.

You're a just one step shy of stating you want to shoot the president, and yes, that's sedition. It's a federal crime, you see.

You're more than a mere idiot. Your hubris and paranoia are in conflict, or perhaps even feeding off one another, but are fortunately contained by your infantile foolishness.

You dare me? Should one take the dare of a fruitcake seriously? Even a seditious one? If you weren't so laughable, one ought.

GAFinch
12-24-2012, 19:59
Remember this: a socialist is nothing but a communist who doesn't have all your guns yet. Obama is about to get them. Then you'll see who he really is. But it will be too late by then.

Don't forget the second type of socialist - the one who's taken away the guns but isn't powerful enough to repel American intervention. This second type, of course, may not exist for much longer.

philipk
12-24-2012, 20:29
yes England is socialist in many ways.

Nice attempt at deflecting though.

Obamas idea of "health care reform" is to socialize it which is exactly what the excerpt that I quoted said he wasn't trying to do. Clearly he is, and comparing him to other socialist countries isn't the strongest argument you can make.

England is not a socialist country. Go back to school and learn political science.

Yes, they have socialized medicine but that doesn't make them socialist.

We have socialized schools but we aren't socialists.

We have socialized highways but we aren't socialist .

We have socialized libraries but we aren't socialists.

We have socialized parks but we aren't socialists.

Get the drift.

You don't understand basic political science.

certifiedfunds
12-24-2012, 20:38
England is not a socialist country. Go back to school and learn political science.

Yes, they have socialized medicine but that doesn't make them socialist.

We have socialized schools but we aren't socialists.

We have socialized highways but we aren't socialist .

We have socialized libraries but we aren't socialists.

We have socialized parks but we aren't socialists.

Get the drift.

You don't understand basic political science.

I beg to differ. We most certainly are a socialist country. 100% of federal tax revenue is spent on socialist welfare programs.

The UK most definitely is as well.

Jgriggs
12-24-2012, 20:42
England is not a socialist country. Go back to school and learn political science.

Yes, they have socialized medicine but that doesn't make them socialist.

We have socialized schools but we aren't socialists.

We have socialized highways but we aren't socialist .

We have socialized libraries but we aren't socialists.

We have socialized parks but we aren't socialists.

Get the drift.

You don't understand basic political science.

Oh I get the drift. I also saw where I said they were socialist in many ways. You might have missed that part in your rush to use absurd arguments.

Socialized medical system is not the same as a national park.
Socialized private industry (GM) is not the same as a socialized highway system.

Socialized banking isn't the same as public schools.



Get it now?






No, you don't.

Jgriggs
12-24-2012, 20:48
You don't understand basic political science.


I understand what socialism is.



All members of the economy share benefits, regardless of their economic value to the system.
A healthy socialistic system results in non-economic productivity.
In environments with plentiful resources, socialism provides all members with their survival needs, through the redistribution of wealth from those who produce.
Members that cannot participate economically - due to disabilities, age, or periods of poor health - can still impart wisdom, support and continuity of experience to the system.
Leaders, who are not producing, have domain over those who are producing.

So yes sir, the UK, and the US are certainly at the very least partially socialist.


Do you now believe that I get it?

Zombie Surgeon
12-24-2012, 21:35
I didn't threaten you. I quoted you and referenced your comments. It was you that boasted about shooting to death your former leader for communism, while going to great lengths to make a fool of yourself being incorrect about our present leadership.

You're a just one step shy of stating you want to shoot the president, and yes, that's sedition. It's a federal crime, you see.

You're more than a mere idiot. Your hubris and paranoia are in conflict, or perhaps even feeding off one another, but are fortunately contained by your infantile foolishness.

You dare me? Should one take the dare of a fruitcake seriously? Even a seditious one? If you weren't so laughable, one ought.



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Take a hike and go write your informative note comrade.
Im sure your revolutionary zeal will be rewarded by Obama someday with a cushy job. Something like political kommisar in a gulag. Or chief interrogator at the Directorate of Forced Reeducation.



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sns3guppy
12-24-2012, 22:36
It would seem that someone who whines about having lived under communism ought to be grateful to live in a democratic society (a republic).

Someone (like you) who indicates he would like to shoot the President really ought not live in a country like this. Perhaps you belong back in your homeland, where you shot your previous leaders. Seems a perfect fit for you. You certainly don't deserve the freedoms here.

You really can't handle them.

certifiedfunds
12-24-2012, 22:48
It would seem that someone who whines about having lived under communism ought to be grateful to live in a democratic society (a republic).

Someone (like you) who indicates he would like to shoot the President really ought not live in a country like this. Perhaps you belong back in your homeland, where you shot your previous leaders. Seems a perfect fit for you. You certainly don't deserve the freedoms here.

You really can't handle them.

Democracy and communism are kissing cousins.

And neither are a republic.

Zombie Surgeon
12-24-2012, 23:37
It would seem that someone who whines about having lived under communism ought to be grateful to live in a democratic society (a republic).

Someone (like you) who indicates he would like to shoot the President really ought not live in a country like this. Perhaps you belong back in your homeland, where you shot your previous leaders. Seems a perfect fit for you. You certainly don't deserve the freedoms here.

You really can't handle them.

Da, comrade. I confess. I am an enemy of the People's Republik Of Obama.
Now you can kiss my posterior.

Zombie Surgeon
12-24-2012, 23:38
Democracy and communism are kissing cousins.

And neither are a republic.

Amen to that.

Zombie Surgeon
12-24-2012, 23:41
Obama's Head Of Jobs Council:
"Communism works"
Link to video: http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/head-of-obama-jobs-council-communism-works-video/

Zombie Surgeon
12-24-2012, 23:45
Pravda (former official Communist Party of USSR newspaper): Obama is a communist.
Link here: http://now.msn.com/pravda-calls-obama-a-communist

In what is seen widely as an irony, the Russian news site and former official mouthpiece of the Communist Soviet Union, Pravda, in a scathing attack on Obama and "illiterate" Americans who reelected him, calls Obama a Communist.
In the acerbic opinion column entitled "Obama's Soviet Mistake," (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/) Pravda attacks Obama, labeling him a "Communist without question" and accuses him of "promoting the Communist Manifesto without calling it so." According to the author of the opinion column, Xavier Lerma, Obama's "cult of personality" exerts the same mesmerizing influence on "illiterate" Americans as Lenin and Stalin on "fools" who still praise the Communist leaders in Russia. Lerma writes with involved vitriol: “Obama’s fools and Stalin’s fools share the same drink of illusion.” His observation that "Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society" would strike any liberal as an irony given that left-wing radicalism has always been synonymous with "educated" and right-wing extremism with "illiterate" and "rural."

Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/337780#ixzz2G2nYhvKa

Zombie Surgeon
12-24-2012, 23:47
Must read:

Socialism, Marxism, Communism & Obama

Link here: http://obamaism.blogspot.com/

Snowman92D
12-25-2012, 05:08
Oh you are really going to make the obama leg humpers mad. :rofl:

They may send obama's terrorist mentor, Bill Ayers, to blow you up...

Aw...I don't think we have anything to worry about. Bill Ayers says he is a communist with a small "c".

Besides...Valerie Jarrett calls the shots in the West Wing, and...uh...they don't come any more squeaky-clean than Valerie. :whistling:

IvanVic
12-25-2012, 05:58
Remember this: a socialist is nothing but a communist who doesn't have all your guns yet.

That's a cute little saying, but I doubt it would come from someone that knows what socialism or communism is.

Zombie Surgeon
12-25-2012, 08:09
That's a cute little saying, but I doubt it would come from someone that knows what socialism or communism is.

Serios?
Se vede ca esti un liberal tampit, un produs defect al sistemului de invatamint public ...pardon, propaganda American.

Don't know what language is that so you can use Google translator? Here are some clues for you: three articles I wrote on my blog. One is from 2009 (http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com/2009/05/how-gun-rights-in-romania-were-lost-and.html), another right after Obama's reelection (http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com/2012/11/sad-day-for-america.html), and the last one is just two days old (http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com/2012/12/a-pledge.html)
Read them, then translate what I wrote above. You'll be a lot smarter after doing it.


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Riverkilt
12-25-2012, 09:13
This thread cracks me up on multiple levels. There is no way anyone on this thread could prove they are not a communist. Its like being accused of acting like a child - "No I'm not" "Yes you are" No matter how much someone calls someone else a communist there is no way the falsly accused non-communist can proove they are not a communist. Go ahead, somehow proove you're not a communist....

And, McCarthy died an early death from his alcoholism.

Hard for me to believe that the same guy who just made it legal for me to carry concealed in the National Parks and Recreation Areas that I'm surrounded by also wants my guns.

I'm lily white, born in Alabama, and worked for civil rights in the South in the 60s to the point I made the local KKK death list. I'm proud of our current President and don't understand why folks don't give him credit for being half Irish too....

This thread would be a wonderful tool for a psychiatry professor to pass out to a class of budding psychiatrists to make diagnosises based on the information presented....

Zombie Surgeon
12-25-2012, 09:30
.

And, McCarthy died an early death from his alcoholism.

That doesn't mean he wasn't right (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/venona/intercepts.html).
Hard for me to believe that the same guy who just made it legal for me to carry concealed in the National Parks and Recreation Areas that I'm surrounded by also wants my guns.Keep lying to yourself because you can't fool anybody else.
Of course you already know the National Parks Carry bill was attached by GOP Congress critters to the Credit Card bills that Obama really wanted (http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/14/news/economy/creditcard_guns/index.htm?section=money_mostpopular). It conditioned the passing of Obama's CC bill and it was all or nothing.
Of course you know it, but you just pretend you don't because it serves your argument even if the premise you are starting from is false.

I'm lily white, born in Alabama, and worked for civil rights in the South in the 60s to the point I made the local KKK death list. I'm proud of our current President and don't understand why folks don't give him credit for being half Irish too....Good for you and thank you for what you did in the 60's.
However, you shouldn't be so proud of a president who constantly uses race baiting (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/bam-vid-called-race-baiting-article-1.1173368) and class warfare (http://wageclasswar.org/) as his main political weapons. If you believe what MLK said in his famous speech you should reject what this President is doing to this country. America deserves a better black President. Allan West or Condi Rice are coming to mind. People who are patriotic, self made and held real jobs in their lives. Not a community organizer and Chicago political agitator who never worked a honest job for a single day in his life.
As for his half Irish ancestry...did anyone here blamed Obama for the other half? I don't believe so. You must be a little obsessed with racial issues that don't exist.

This thread would be a wonderful tool for a psychiatry professor to pass out to a class of budding psychiatrists to make diagnosises based on the information presented....Your opinion duly noted.

certifiedfunds
12-25-2012, 09:37
This thread cracks me up on multiple levels. There is no way anyone on this thread could prove they are not a communist. Its like being accused of acting like a child - "No I'm not" "Yes you are" No matter how much someone calls someone else a communist there is no way the falsly accused non-communist can proove they are not a communist. Go ahead, somehow proove you're not a communist....

And, McCarthy died an early death from his alcoholism.

Hard for me to believe that the same guy who just made it legal for me to carry concealed in the National Parks and Recreation Areas that I'm surrounded by also wants my guns.

I'm lily white, born in Alabama, and worked for civil rights in the South in the 60s to the point I made the local KKK death list. I'm proud of our current President and don't understand why folks don't give him credit for being half Irish too....

This thread would be a wonderful tool for a psychiatry professor to pass out to a class of budding psychiatrists to make diagnosises based on the information presented....

He's your president, not mine. He doesn't represent me.

panzer1
12-25-2012, 10:18
Try to convince me you're not a fool first.A fool? I don't think so. Sounds like a man that know what he's talking about.

philipk
12-25-2012, 10:21
This thread cracks me up on multiple levels. There is no way anyone on this thread could prove they are not a communist. Its like being accused of acting like a child - "No I'm not" "Yes you are" No matter how much someone calls someone else a communist there is no way the falsly accused non-communist can proove they are not a communist. Go ahead, somehow proove you're not a communist....

And, McCarthy died an early death from his alcoholism.

Hard for me to believe that the same guy who just made it legal for me to carry concealed in the National Parks and Recreation Areas that I'm surrounded by also wants my guns.

I'm lily white, born in Alabama, and worked for civil rights in the South in the 60s to the point I made the local KKK death list. I'm proud of our current President and don't understand why folks don't give him credit for being half Irish too....

This thread would be a wonderful tool for a psychiatry professor to pass out to a class of budding psychiatrists to make diagnosises based on the information presented....

Merry Christmas!

I stopped posting on the thread because it is Christmas. However, your post prompted me to give a big thanks!

I did not vote for Obama in 2008. However, the night he was elected I was so proud of our nation. The day of his inauguration was a proud day in our country's history.

I may disagree with some of his policies but he is my president.

I am highly offended by the people shouting that Obama is a communist, socialist, racist, class warfare promoter ect. I was so offended by this mindset that I voted for him in 2012.

The reasons I voted for him in 2012 were two part.

1. The tea-party has turned the Republican party into a right-wing radical group. The are the most xenophobic selfish people that I have ever encountered!

2. Obama ran as a liberal in 2008 but has governed as a moderate.

panzer1
12-25-2012, 10:22
To the original poster: you're an idiot.

I haven't the time nor inclination to poke all the holes that your theory deserves, but rest assured, the holes are there, and glaringly so.

Trying to usher in a new era of McCarthyism?Thats right I forgot he is pro-American.:rofl:

Riverkilt
12-25-2012, 11:05
Well, with all your knowledge ZS you may want to consider running for public office so you can help change things to "your way."

I've stood for public office and won. Its a trip. You'll like it if you do. You can have much more influence in public office than on an Internet forum.

Just a thought for your consideration.

No amount of logic and no amount of "facts" are going to change another man's political or religious views.

Zombie Surgeon
12-25-2012, 18:09
Well, with all your knowledge ZS you may want to consider running for public office so you can help change things to "your way."

I've stood for public office and won. Its a trip. You'll like it if you do. You can have much more influence in public office than on an Internet forum.

Just a thought for your consideration.

No amount of logic and no amount of "facts" are going to change another man's political or religious views.

I have no time for that. Too busy running a business to support both, a wife and a child through college.

Some people change. I have my wife who is a grad student...she told me that many of the college kids who read her papers and listened in class to her stories changed their minds. Lots of them who believed Marxism is "cool" are not so sure about that now.
They now respect her more than some of their liberal arts profs who in their large majority are to the left of Lenin.

Zombie Surgeon
12-25-2012, 18:14
I am highly offended by the people shouting that Obama is a communist, socialist, racist, class warfare promoter ect. I was so offended by this mindset that I voted for him in 2012.



I am not offended the least by the people who are so blinded by the leftist propaganda that they refuse to believe Obama is a Marxist - even if he would slap them in the face with his Party membership card.
I am in fact saddened that so many people like you follow in the steps of the Jews who cast their vote for Hitler in 1932.

Louisville Glocker
12-25-2012, 18:21
Obama is a mainstream Democrat. Sad, but true. Nowhere near socialist.

My state voted Romney.

sns3guppy
12-25-2012, 18:23
I have no time for that. Too busy running a business to support both, a wife and a child through college.

Let's be honest. If anything you've said here is true, it's not a matter of not having the time to run for that office. You simply don't qualify. Big difference.

Election's over, mate. Move on.

certifiedfunds
12-25-2012, 18:24
Obama is a mainstream Democrat. Sad, but true. Nowhere near socialist.

My state voted Romney.

The mainstream of the Democratic party are socialist/fascist, if not out and out Marxist.

certifiedfunds
12-25-2012, 18:26
Merry Christmas!

I stopped posting on the thread because it is Christmas. However, your post prompted me to give a big thanks!

I did not vote for Obama in 2008. However, the night he was elected I was so proud of our nation. The day of his inauguration was a proud day in our country's history.

I may disagree with some of his policies but he is my president.

I am highly offended by the people shouting that Obama is a communist, socialist, racist, class warfare promoter ect. I was so offended by this mindset that I voted for him in 2012.

The reasons I voted for him in 2012 were two part.

1. The tea-party has turned the Republican party into a right-wing radical group. The are the most xenophobic selfish people that I have ever encountered!

2. Obama ran as a liberal in 2008 but has governed as a moderate.

Based on this I would be pretty confident that you're a socialist too.

Zombie Surgeon
12-25-2012, 19:17
Let's be honest.


You... honest?

:rofl::rofl::rofl:


If anything you've said here is true, it's not a matter of not having the time to run for that office. You simply don't qualify. Big difference.

What else do you know about me sport? Let me give you some pointers that will help you when you write your DHS informative report on me. So here is my confession:

- I'm an illegal alien...wait, scratch that. You libs love illegal aliens.
- I am on welfare since 1957. Like you. See, we have something in common.
- I once tried to help an old lady cross the street despite her protests.
- Last election I vandalized an Obama campaign poster by drawing a beard and the name Marx on it.
- I am committing thought crimes against the Obama regime multiple times a day.
- I make liberals like you cry.

Now you know everything about me. Make sure you mention in your report that you are asking for the job of Gulag Reeducation Kommisar in exchange for your devoted service.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01403/rat_1403977c.jpg

Zombie Surgeon
12-25-2012, 19:19
Based on this I would be pretty confident that you're a socialist too.

Ya think?
:whistling:

bushhogg
12-25-2012, 21:09
Certifiedfunds & Zombie Sergeon you fellers have hit the nail on the head.

Louisville Glocker
12-25-2012, 21:49
The mainstream of the Democratic party are socialist/fascist, if not out and out Marxist.

Tax rates are lower than Reagan. And, by the way, notice that there are taxes, which implies people are making money and paying taxes. Which implies you don't know crap about what you're talking about.

Ridiculous. We're in the same system we've been in for decades. Except now, the rich get a bigger percentage of the cut.

certifiedfunds
12-25-2012, 21:59
Tax rates are lower than Reagan. And, by the way, notice that there are taxes, which implies people are making money and paying taxes. Which implies you don't know crap about what you're talking about.



Uh, that's all you've got?

No, I was pretty much spot on. The mainstream of the Democratic party are marxists/socialists.

I've also paid enough attention to your posts to know that you're one of them so its no surprise to see you respond so defensively.

Blast
12-25-2012, 22:20
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VFm_LfJukBI/Sc-SFUtnRxI/AAAAAAAAAh8/fZIryqyNzFY/s400/ObamaSocialism.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YDzbAhE8QMA/TO2sdYHN-LI/AAAAAAAAAY0/g5LNC4syTEE/s1600/obama-communism-hope.jpg

http://warrantonegirl.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/shutupkoolaid.jpg?w=468

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-E35Q-z8UDvc/UGrBSR4fOMI/AAAAAAAAXZo/mNBwxvUzQT0/s1600/obama+Karl+marx.bmp

series1811
12-26-2012, 06:29
The mainstream of the Democratic party are socialist/fascist, if not out and out Marxist.

This.

And, I don't blame them for not wanting to admit it.

Captain Steinbrenner
12-26-2012, 06:51
A person that one of his main goals in life is to create class warfare along with destroying our country is a text book COMMUNIST. Check Fidel Castro and Che Guevara for example, the only difference is that they had balls to use a rifle, this punk is afraid of guns.:wavey:

Baba Louie
12-26-2012, 09:06
...this punk is afraid of guns.Does not need guns. Is surrounded by guns protecting him. Needs to and plans on taking private guns, I believe. (under the radar... remember?) Has the Media and School Unions to help indoctrinate our future, to be sure.

Budget? What budget? Debt Ceiling? What debt ceiling? It is all the fault of the nasty Repubs... everyone says so, so it must be true. (a rose by a slightly different name nowadays anyway)

...and the workers... ah yes. Instead of owing any allegience to the bourgeoisie capitalists who own the enterprise that pays them, allegiance now goes to... whom again? The cult of the Personality?

Have any of you actually read the writings of Marx & Engels?

http://marx.eserver.org/1848-communist.manifesto/

Start there. You really need to know either your enemy or yourself and see where things lie within. Really. My Dad made me read this crap back when I was in H.S. in order to know my enemy. So I did. Some boring shyte, let me tell you. But well laid out. (disclaimer, my Dad was a hard core blue collar union man but loved working for TWA and took pride in what Hughes had created and he HATED communism with a passion, which I alwasy found slightly amusing from one aspect)

As Pogo said, "We have met the enemy, and he is us"

I can call a rose a frog but if I follow the teachings of the "workers" against the "capitalists" and then practice same throughout my lifes work, not for the workers per se and certainly not for the enterprising capitalist, but for the actual benefit of myself via the government, I am soon to become a statist totalitarian party member for lack of (a) better word(s); a proponent of a strong single party, central government that control all facets of life. Cradle to Grave. Marge in Charge. Eggs to Economy.

Ridicule, Demonize and Destroy your opponent. Who said, ..."they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy..."? REALLY??? (yeah I know, not fair of me to snip bits and take them out of context)

Good bad or indifferent, we used to call these types of guys our national enemies. You know, kill a commie for mommy, I'd rather be dead than red, etc.? Maybe we were brainwashed back then, maybe not.

Have any of you read Obama's books written back in the day before he was elected top dawg? Talk about foreshadowing. Know your enemy and know yourself and you can fight a hundred battles without disaster.-- Sun Tzu
But for the love of all that this country used to stand for, freedom and liberty we used to call it, do not believe the media of today nor anything you hear from politicians mouths or your union leaders, maybe even your kids teachers. Look at their actions, past and present. Some of them clearly spell out their plan and then stick to it.

How much damage can one group do in 8 years anyway? (plenty methinks)

Question authority. Always.

Or not, apparently.

sns3guppy
12-26-2012, 12:26
You... honest?

Quite.

You, on the other hand, have lied every step of the way, beginning with your first post. That, in addition to your sedition, mate.

Liar and a traitor, and you're a vandal, too. Your mother must be proud, or did you leave her behind after gunning down your former leader?

Don't answer that. 14 years old...you're still living at home.

Zombie Surgeon
12-26-2012, 12:49
Quite.

You, on the other hand, have lied every step of the way, beginning with your first post. That, in addition to your sedition, mate.

Just as I said before: paper, pen. Write your informative note. Get rewarded.

Liar and a traitor, and you're a vandal, too. Your mother must be proud, or did you leave her behind after gunning down your former leader?Liar, traitor, vandal, seditious.
When was the last time you checked your blood pressure? You may want to tone it down, otherwise you may pop a vein in your head or something.


Don't answer that. 14 years old...you're still living at home.If I am 14 years old it means I was born in 1998. The Dear Leader gunning down you just said I participated in happened nine years earlier in 1989. That means I am either a T-100 model Terminator sent from the future to kill him, or you are little clueless lib full of crap.
I tend to believe the last.

Please continue, you are mildly entertaining.

:embarassed:

sns3guppy
12-26-2012, 19:52
The Dear Leader gunning down you just said I participated in happened nine years earlier in 1989. That means I am either a T-100 model Terminator sent from the future to kill him, or you are little clueless lib full of crap.

You're the one who claimed to have "filled him full of lead," mate. You may be physically older than 14, but your'e certainly stuck at that maturity level, aren't you?

You are.

Zombie Surgeon
12-26-2012, 19:59
You're the one who claimed to have "filled him full of lead," mate. You may be physically older than 14, but your'e certainly stuck at that maturity level, aren't you?

You are.

So now I'm older than 14.
Okay.
:faint:

Here is some homework for you sport:

Obama's Class Warfare (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpowell/2012/10/17/class-warfare-the-mortal-enemy-of-economic-growth-and-jobs/)

Q: who coined first the term "class warfare"?

A: The Prophet Mohammed
B: Karl Marx
C: Lady Gaga

sns3guppy
12-27-2012, 00:58
So now I'm older than 14.
Okay.

So you say.

Zombie Surgeon
12-27-2012, 01:39
So you say.

The Gulag executioners, the ones who actually carried out the mass executions were selected from the most faithful to the cause. They were the true believers who replaced God with the Party and the Dear Leader. A religion with a cult of personality. Solzhenitsyn wrote about them in his Archipelago.
You were born in a free country yet you are are cut from the same cloth as them. Given the opportunity you would rat, imprison, torture and kill whoever the Party and the Dear Leader would tell you it's the enemy.
I pity you.

kirgi08
12-27-2012, 02:08
Reality,can be a world shaker.'08.

Blast
12-27-2012, 03:17
http://excessivecelebrationdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/knockknockitsreality.gif?w=584

Ruble Noon
12-27-2012, 05:31
Merry Christmas!

I stopped posting on the thread because it is Christmas. However, your post prompted me to give a big thanks!

I did not vote for Obama in 2008. However, the night he was elected I was so proud of our nation. The day of his inauguration was a proud day in our country's history.

I may disagree with some of his policies but he is my president.

I am highly offended by the people shouting that Obama is a communist, socialist, racist, class warfare promoter ect. I was so offended by this mindset that I voted for him in 2012.

The reasons I voted for him in 2012 were two part.

1. The tea-party has turned the Republican party into a right-wing radical group. The are the most xenophobic selfish people that I have ever encountered!

2. Obama ran as a liberal in 2008 but has governed as a moderate.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8kzN5gziUMQ/T1cAKlhuqKI/AAAAAAAACTM/zVJtrtlszz0/s1600/red_dumbass_70s-show.jpeg

Baba Louie
12-27-2012, 08:47
2. Obama ran as a liberal in 2008 but has governed as a moderateAffordable Health Care Act... Sotomayor and Kagan... moderates? Really? Are you sure? Others might disagree.

http://www.wbur.org/npr/164916287/odds-in-favor-of-a-new-supreme-court-justice-in-obamas-second-term

Fast & Furious... a moderate act? Really? Are you sure?

Budget and spending to date? Acts of a Moderate? REALLY?

I thought he ran as a Hope and Change moderate and governed as a liberal... but... whaddaIknow? I did not know that. Thank you for straightening us out in this regard and having the courage of your convictions. :wavey:

series1811
12-27-2012, 08:55
Obama is a mainstream Democrat. Sad, but true. Nowhere near socialist.

My state voted Romney.

What is sad is how many liberals are so far left, they actually see Obama as moderate.

We are doomed.

engineer151515
12-27-2012, 09:22
Merry Christmas!

I stopped posting on the thread because it is Christmas. However, your post prompted me to give a big thanks!

I did not vote for Obama in 2008. However, the night he was elected I was so proud of our nation. The day of his inauguration was a proud day in our country's history.

I may disagree with some of his policies but he is my president.

I am highly offended by the people shouting that Obama is a communist, socialist, racist, class warfare promoter ect. I was so offended by this mindset that I voted for him in 2012.

The reasons I voted for him in 2012 were two part.

1. The tea-party has turned the Republican party into a right-wing radical group. The are the most xenophobic selfish people that I have ever encountered!

2. Obama ran as a liberal in 2008 but has governed as a moderate.

So, let's see.
The President believes in wealth redistribution, class warfare, took over 1/7th of the US economy without a single Republican vote and unsustainably deficit spent this country into a lower credit rating = governing as a moderate. While people who want this country to balance it's budget and live within it's means are " the most xenophobic selfish people".

When the currency collapses and nobody can afford a loaf of bread, are you gonna say "I'm sorry"? Or are you just going to confiscate the loaf of bread I grew, ground and baked for myself?

2-8 Marine
12-27-2012, 09:42
The Gulag executioners, the ones who actually carried out the mass executions were selected from the most faithful to the cause. They were the true believers who replaced God with the Party and the Dear Leader. A religion with a cult of personality. Solzhenitsyn wrote about them in his Archipelago.
You were born in a free country yet you are are cut from the same cloth as them. Given the opportunity you would rat, imprison, torture and kill whoever the Party and the Dear Leader would tell you it's the enemy.
I pity you.

I might add, a book everyone should read (The Gulag Archipelago). You'd be amazed by the parallel of events happening today