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skorper
12-22-2012, 12:00
Got friends from the UK visiting for Christmas, will be coming Sunday. I always look forward to having them, but they're all up in arms about our "crazy gun culture", mostly because of the most recent tragedy.

They know I'm a gun guy. There will be drinking. There will be the inevitable discussion and I'm going to get ganged up on. Not looking forward to it this year. Some are my wife's relatives too.

SMOKEin
12-22-2012, 12:06
Just change the topic to their rotten teeth culture.

FullClip
12-22-2012, 12:10
Just open up fire on them when they hit your driveway while screaming "The Redcoats are coming, the Redcoats are coming" at the top of your lungs!!:wow:




Will solve your problem and give the relatives something to talk about at Christmas time for years to come!!:supergrin:

Atlas
12-22-2012, 12:11
Just say "it's the holiday, I would prefer to not discuss this now".

"How about that Kate Middleton and those hooters, huh ?? Huh ?"


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Dragoon44
12-22-2012, 12:13
Friends respect their friends opinions even if they don't agree with them.

If they can't accept your opinion and want to argue about it constantly then they are not your friends.

WarCry
12-22-2012, 12:14
Got friends from the UK visiting for Christmas, will be coming Sunday. I always look forward to having them, but they're all up in arms about our "crazy gun culture", mostly because of the most recent tragedy.

They know I'm a gun guy. There will be drinking. There will be the inevitable discussion and I'm going to get ganged up on. Not looking forward to it this year. Some are my wife's relatives too.

If there's drinking, make sure guns are secured. You don't need to be a Christmas headline.

If there isn't, or before the drinking starts, offer to take them out shooting somewhere. The worst they're going to say is no, and they might say yes and learn something.

dango
12-22-2012, 12:17
Personally , I would not allow or be open to verbal attacks, opinions or other wise but then I don't drink.

I used to drink many years ago and just am not the same when drinking. Don't know when to shut my mouth and let things get to me that ordinarily would not bother me.

Good luck and try not to let them corner you ! Happy and safe
Holidays to you and ALL !

skorper
12-22-2012, 12:18
Friends respect their friends opinions even if they don't agree with them.

If they can't accept your opinion and want to argue about it constantly then they are not your friends.

This has always been the case before, but all of a sudden they're on the bandwagon. "Something needs to be done and now is the time" seems to be the battle cry at the moment.

kenpoprofessor
12-22-2012, 12:19
So offer to take them shooting with you, and if they don't go, tell them they can't talk about guns, shooting, or anything related until they do.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

skorper
12-22-2012, 12:21
If there's drinking, make sure guns are secured. You don't need to be a Christmas headline.

If there isn't, or before the drinking starts, offer to take them out shooting somewhere. The worst they're going to say is no, and they might say yes and learn something.

There's no problem there. Everything's locked up in the safe and doesn't come out when there are people over.

Things aren't going to get out of hand, I'm just not in the mood to have to defend myself the whole time.

I have actually taken my sister in law and brother in law to the range here before. They were real appreciative. Or they seemed to be.

skorper
12-22-2012, 12:23
Just change the topic to their rotten teeth culture.

LOL... Dental work is not free under their national health care plan.

1-2man
12-22-2012, 12:24
They're from England and don't have a horse in this race so just sit there and agree with them. It might actually be fun and keep your blood pressure down.:supergrin:

dango
12-22-2012, 12:27
Friends respect their friends opinions even if they don't agree with them.

If they can't accept your opinion and want to argue about it constantly then they are not your friends.

Can't and won't speak for the masses but , Alcohol pushes my "Stupid" button . That is why I don't drink any more . I do mean stupid , not dangerous or cruel , just really STUPID ! :supergrin:

HollowHead
12-22-2012, 12:28
Tell them, "These people hate guns!" and hand them a list of local motels. HH

Louisville Glocker
12-22-2012, 12:30
Just take out your AR and leave it on the kitchen table for when they arrive. Videotape the look on their faces and post it here for us.

skorper
12-22-2012, 12:34
Just take out your AR and leave it on the kitchen table for when they arrive. Videotape the look on their faces and post it here for us.

My father in law is a retired British Army Amorer. He isn't coming for Christmas this year but was here in September. When he was here we laid out all of my firearms on the living room floor and I took some digital photos for him to take home. He's been down at the pub showing the photos off to all his old cronies ever since. They're all jealous.

skorper
12-22-2012, 12:45
They're from England and don't have a horse in this race so just sit there and agree with them. It might actually be fun and keep your blood pressure down.:supergrin:

I'm actually considering this option.

cangler
12-22-2012, 12:53
Just open up fire on them when they hit your driveway while screaming "The Redcoats are coming, the Redcoats are coming" at the top of your lungs!!:wow:




Will solve your problem and give the relatives something to talk about at Christmas time for years to come!!:supergrin:

LMAO :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Bruce M
12-22-2012, 13:13
At the risk of causing friction, you could always offer to compare occupied burglary rates with them. Although I find the whole dental work thing much more humorous.

skorper
12-22-2012, 13:15
At the risk of causing friction, you could always offer to compare occupied burglary rates with them. Although I find the whole dental work thing much more humorous.

Yeah. Burglary rates are sky high in Britain.

WarCry
12-22-2012, 13:17
Just take out your AR and leave it on the kitchen table for when they arrive. Videotape the look on their faces and post it here for us.

My wife and I were watching something yesterday and they had a Barrett M82. I told her if I had the money, I'd love to have one, even if I could only afford to take it to the range once or twice a year. I then told her I'd leave it out on the coffee table all the time (unloaded, probably trigger locked) just so I could watch people's face if/when they came over. :cool:


To me, it's exactly the same as a cat or a dog. If you come into my house and want to complain about what's in my house, there's the door. It works not only for ingress, but egress, and they are free to avail themselves of the second option....







....then I'd spend a few minutes explaining exactly what that means....

Little Joe
12-22-2012, 13:20
They're from England and don't have a horse in this race so just sit there and agree with them. It might actually be fun and keep your blood pressure down.:supergrin:

This. It could be a lot of fun. :rofl:

acaligunner
12-22-2012, 13:33
Got friends from the UK visiting for Christmas, will be coming Sunday. I always look forward to having them, but they're all up in arms about our "crazy gun culture", mostly because of the most recent tragedy.

They know I'm a gun guy. There will be drinking. There will be the inevitable discussion and I'm going to get ganged up on. Not looking forward to it this year. Some are my wife's relatives too.

This is easy...

Drop them off in the worst 'Hood', then let them take the bus back to your pad.

Might have a change of ideas then.

frank4570
12-22-2012, 13:37
Keep us posted. It sounds like it will get ugly.

VC-Racing
12-22-2012, 13:39
To me, it's exactly the same as a cat or a dog. If you come into my house and want to complain about what's in my house, there's the door. It works not only for ingress, but egress, and they are free to avail themselves of the second option....







....then I'd spend a few minutes explaining exactly what that means....



I lay out ground rules for the trouble makers in my family . My house , my rules.... Don't like it, don't show up... plain and simple..... Hopefully tomorrow the main troublemaker has her big girl drawers on... Its gonna be kinda awkward if she has to leave abruptly......

GT4494
12-22-2012, 13:53
I know many here will be shocked but not all people in the UK are bleeding heart liberal socialists. Kinda like California. Get out of the cities and the people are as "Normal" as the rest of us.

If you are lucky your guests may even want to go shooting with you. :cool:

sigman69
12-22-2012, 13:57
I wouldnt have friends like that.....I would bring up the revolutionary war and how we saved their butts in WWII

WarCry
12-22-2012, 14:00
I know many here will be shocked but not all people in the UK are bleeding heart liberal socialists. Kinda like California. Get out of the cities and the people are as "Normal" as the rest of us.

If you are lucky your guests may even want to go shooting with you. :cool:

Good luck selling that. There are many, MANY people around here that believe if you claim to be a Democrat/social Liberal AND a gun owner, you're either flat-out lying or you're working undercover for the Brady campaign to undermine gun rights from the inside.

To so many here, it's IMPOSSIBLE to believe that people may have more than one political issue that they care about, and that guns MIGHT not even be at the to of the list.

airmotive
12-22-2012, 14:12
I work for a British company and have entertained many limey's in our home and have been the guest in many homes under the Crowne.

Here's the thing...Brits use dry humor the way Americans use sarcasm. Brits view sarcasm the way Americans view passive-aggressiveness. (stomach-turning)
It can make for some awkward situations if certain topics are discussed without an appreciation of how the two cultures differ in how certain topics are discussed.

Confused yet?

Relate guns to blood pudding. Ask an American about blood pudding, and his skin will crawl at the thought. Ditto for Brits and guns. Reverse the topics and both sides' mouths will water.

Confused yet?

Americans tend to take someone who has a fundamental disagreement on an important subject as an attack. Brits, generally do not. Don't get mad that your Brit friend has a fundamental disagreement. Don't TRY to change his mind. If he does, fine. If he doesn't...FINE. Remember, HE'S GOING HOME. He can go home and tell his friends that American gun owners are head-strong pigs, or he can go home and tell his friends that he had an interesting conversation with his American friends about firearms.
YOU control what he tells his friends back home.

Confused yet?

Sgt127
12-22-2012, 14:46
Sorry, my house. I won't argue with you here. I'll debate for a few minutes until I get tired of it, maybe. Then, its time for you to go do something else....somewhere else. I will not be put into a position where I feel I need to defend anything about the way I live, or, what I believe in.

When my dad was in the nursing home, shortly before he passed away, his sister and her husband asked if they could drive down, from the east coast and visit, I said of course. They asked if I would mind if they picked a few mementos from my parents house to remember them by. No problem.

They showed up with one of thier adult kids and a flat bed trailer. Really? Told me they figured they were going to stay at my dads house while they were in town (my mom had already passed). Really? They were intersted in some furniture and paintings. Yeah...no...obviously there was a lack of communication.

Directed them to a motel that was conveniently between my parents house and my house, even offered to pay the first nights lodging for them. They left with an empty trailer and a few mementos in the back seat. There was no debate.

PaladinFl
12-22-2012, 15:03
I don't allow guests in my house to argue with me. It they want to argue then they can leave.

My house. My rules.

airmotive
12-22-2012, 15:20
Again....it comes down to many Americans see simple disagreement on a topic as an attack.
Sound familiar??? (cough, cough...Islam...cough, cough).
Brits tend to discuss disagreements, sometimes vehemently, and then move on.

If you're completely incapable of discussing a topic with someone who holds a different opinion, I strongly suggest just locking your door and staying inside.

itisbruno
12-22-2012, 15:27
Friends respect their friends opinions even if they don't agree with them.

If they can't accept your opinion and want to argue about it constantly then they are not your friends.


THAT sir, is why you are not my friend


:tongueout:

Happy christmas ya 'ol fart

:hugs:

itisbruno
12-22-2012, 15:28
... I strongly suggest just locking your door and staying inside.

With Jennifer Aniston


:hearts:

RustyL
12-22-2012, 15:28
Not to worry, you will enjoy the holidays with your friends. You don't have to defend your constitutional rights, if so...show them a portrait of Piers Morgan humping Cornwallis...:whistling:

airmotive
12-22-2012, 15:32
Not to worry, you will enjoy the holidays with your friends. You don't have to defend your constitutional rights, if so...show them a portrait of Piers Morgan humping Cornwallis...:whistling:

:needspics:

countrygun
12-22-2012, 15:39
Ask them if their parents were offended by the guns they borrowed from the US to protect their Country during WWII?

Have a printed copy of a good article on the "Lend-Lease" program handy.

X-ray 4N6
12-22-2012, 15:41
Ask them why no gun laws changed in Great Britain after the taxi driver Derrick Bird killed those 12 people with legally held guns in 2010.

X-ray 4N6
12-22-2012, 15:48
You know, Derrick Bird had a suppressed .22 rifle. Suppressors can be bought over the counter if you have a firearms certificate. You can just roll up to a shop, pay £80 and put it on your firearms certificate. Can't do that anywhere in the US.

The US is much more civilized when it comes to keeping these suppressors out of the hands of the criminal. Why, in the US you have to pay a $200 tax stamp, then pay around $500 for the suppressor and then wait 6 months until you can collect it.
If only the UK had these laws, maybe it could have hindered Derrick Bird and he may not have done all that killing.

You gotta tell your friends they must tighten up their laws back home!
:tongueout:

Atlas
12-22-2012, 17:01
Ask them if their parents were offended by the guns they borrowed from the US to protect their Country during WWII?

Have a printed copy of a good article on the "Lend-Lease" program handy.


:perfect10:

Kingarthurhk
12-22-2012, 17:48
I guess it is too late to purchase them a box copy of "Family Guns" with an expat Brit selling firearms to any and all?

bush pilot
12-23-2012, 15:09
Tell them we're proud of our gun heritage and without guns 200 years ago we'd be speaking English in our country instead of American.

Wyoming
12-23-2012, 15:41
Ask them if their parents were offended by the guns they borrowed from the US to protect their Country during WWII?

Have a printed copy of a good article on the "Lend-Lease" program handy.

:rofl:

you made my day!

capnjim01
12-23-2012, 16:05
They're from England and don't have a horse in this race so just sit there and agree with them. It might actually be fun and keep your blood pressure down.:supergrin:

That will really get them, it's hard to get mad at someone who agrees with you. Once you tell them their right you can get own to important topics like the increase in terrorism in their country.

CaptCave
12-23-2012, 16:52
Hide all the knives, and only supply them with sporks.

You know how crazy brits can be with knives around

skorper
12-29-2012, 18:40
Well, I made it through the Christmas holiday without any major malfunctions. Seems that all my Brit friends love me despite myself. Even though I'm just a misinformed neanderthal, they think I'm still great and I think they're all great and it's just a big giant love fest.

Aside from the fact that the NRA is a terrorist organization. Aside from the fact that our maniacal fetish for handguns and semiauto firearms is the only thing that is keeping the US from being a real member of the first world. Aside from the fact that the 2nd ammendment thing means firearms are for a militia only, and no sane person would interpret it otherwise. Aside from the fact that I'm a misanthrope unable to fathom the intricacies of modern society.

They were only trying to educate me. I should feel good.

KommieforniaGlocker
12-29-2012, 19:45
Just tell him here we are citizens, and they are subjects.

G21H30
12-29-2012, 19:53
Well, I made it through the Christmas holiday without any major malfunctions. Seems that all my Brit friends love me despite myself. Even though I'm just a misinformed neanderthal, they think I'm still great and I think they're all great and it's just a big giant love fest.

Aside from the fact that the NRA is a terrorist organization. Aside from the fact that our maniacal fetish for handguns and semiauto firearms is the only thing that is keeping the US from being a real member of the first world. Aside from the fact that the 2nd ammendment thing means firearms are for a militia only, and no sane person would interpret it otherwise. Aside from the fact that I'm a misanthrope unable to fathom the intricacies of modern society.

They were only trying to educate me. I should feel good.

"Never argue with stupid people,it brings you down to their level,then they beat you with experience":whistling:

NorthernAlpine
12-29-2012, 20:02
Didn't you tell them you are a part of the GT Militia?
https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/6/69/GTer.jpg/275px-GTer.jpg

*ASH*
12-29-2012, 20:04
sounds to me they belittled you again at christmas in your house again , id tell all of them to **** off . ive told family members to **** off for less then that.
next time tell em to stay the **** home .i would have stood 3 minutes of that bull**** and kicked the lot of em on the curb.

Slug71
12-30-2012, 02:15
Got friends from the UK visiting for Christmas, will be coming Sunday. I always look forward to having them, but they're all up in arms about our "crazy gun culture", mostly because of the most recent tragedy.

They know I'm a gun guy. There will be drinking. There will be the inevitable discussion and I'm going to get ganged up on. Not looking forward to it this year. Some are my wife's relatives too.

Take em shooting. :)

Wayward Bound
12-30-2012, 02:17
Just change the topic to their rotten teeth culture. FTW!!! :supergrin:

RayB
12-30-2012, 03:27
Yes, because without guns, we colonials would all be under The Crown at this time, wouldn't we? Well, wouldn't we? :eyebrow:

Anyway, you can always switch the subject to Neville Chamberlain, who assured all of Britain that Herr Hitler was their ally... Or Lucas Automotive, who almost single-handedly helped to bury the British Leyland Sports Car Industry with their peculiar and hideous reliability issues... :whistling:

On second thought, you and your anglo-relatives can hunker down and hate the French together! That usually works! :supergrin:

Actually, I've always admired the Brits, as described by my dad, a WWII Normandy vet... But most of today's Brits have little in common with that generation. Today, they’re as f’d up as we are! :sigh:

Seriously, enjoy their company, and apologize for nothing! :patriot:

--Ray

ChiefWPD
12-30-2012, 07:36
Friends respect their friends opinions even if they don't agree with them.

If they can't accept your opinion and want to argue about it constantly then they are not your friends.

+1 I will respect the views of others, and expect them to respect mine as well.

skorper
12-30-2012, 08:50
I've always been the one to breach the subject before, as I like spirited debate and discussion. As well, I always ended it with an invitation for them to go shooting.

And to be fair, the discussion was only had once. They felt it was a moral imperative to bring it up. The madness has to stop here in the good old USA, and the massacre of school children proves it. This is their view.

These people are for the most part degreed professionals. They know how to research an issue. The know when to drop it before things get heated. I don't even think they enjoyed bringing it up.

TX OMFS
12-30-2012, 08:56
Good luck selling that. There are many, MANY people around here that believe if you claim to be a Democrat/social Liberal AND a gun owner, you're either flat-out lying or you're working undercover for the Brady campaign to undermine gun rights from the inside.

To so many here, it's IMPOSSIBLE to believe that people may have more than one political issue that they care about, and that guns MIGHT not even be at the to of the list.

Huh? You do know this is a gun board, right?

I'm curious, what issue(s) would make you vote Democrat even at the risk of losing gun rights?