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Landmonster
12-22-2012, 18:43
I'm playing the devil's advocate.

Let's say a new AWB passes, which prohibits the ownership of ARs, AKs, and semi-auto military-style rifles with pistol grips and/or magazines over 10 rounds. From this point forward, you cannot buy/sell/own any of these rifles.

What kind of weapon would you use in it's place?

The most lethal thing that comes to my mind is like a Ruger Scout Rifle. Is there maybe a better choice?

t4terrific
12-22-2012, 18:44
Mini 14 or M1 Carbine.

EODLRD
12-22-2012, 18:45
Ruger Mini 14 & mini 30.

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ViennaGambit
12-22-2012, 18:47
Springfield M1A

michael e
12-22-2012, 18:48
Of what I have, M-1 carbine , SKS, Mini 14, Mini 30.

Landmonster
12-22-2012, 18:51
Don't you think all those guns would be banned under the AWB terms??

RyanNREMTP
12-22-2012, 18:54
http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af76/Ash-J-Williams1/P1030680.jpg

Glock30Eric
12-22-2012, 18:59
M1903A2 and M1 Garand with bayonet!! I'll tell AWB folks how we won WW1 and WW2!!! Maybe I'll wrap the barrels with bacon for the better taste! Muhahaha!

vafish
12-22-2012, 19:42
Lots of options, pump action, lever action, semi auto with a fixed mag like the M1 Garand.

skeeter7
12-22-2012, 19:45
I would go to my Springfield M1A under the circumstances you have provided and use 10 round mags in it.

dkf
12-22-2012, 19:47
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm285/SDV10/assault-pencil_zps4832417f.jpg

http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp291/crazedmoss/1_pencil_sharpener.jpg

Matthew Courtney
12-22-2012, 19:48
Your question makes the false assumption that people will comply with a ban.

WoodenPlank
12-22-2012, 19:54
Your question makes the false assumption that people will comply with a ban.

...and that any such ban would make it illegal to own one that was bought before the ban.

Bren
12-22-2012, 20:00
I'm playing the devil's advocate.

Let's say a new AWB passes, which prohibits the ownership of ARs, AKs, and semi-auto military-style rifles with pistol grips and/or magazines over 10 rounds. From this point forward, you cannot buy/sell/own any of these rifles.

What kind of weapon would you use in it's place?

The most lethal thing that comes to my mind is like a Ruger Scout Rifle. Is there maybe a better choice?

So no detachable mag semi-auto rifles? I'd take the money the government gives me for taking them and buy something like the Ruger Scout and a good lever action or two - pump shotguns are also very high on the list. How about those pump .223 rifles Ruger had a while back?

Landmonster
12-22-2012, 20:01
...and that any such ban would make it illegal to own one that was bought before the ban.

This is a theoretical question, and a hypothetical ban could state anything it wants. I put nothing past this outrageous government.

uzimon
12-22-2012, 20:37
...and that any such ban would make it illegal to own one that was bought before the ban.

will likely require registration as proof like they did in kali. and that's the 1st step in confiscation

concretefuzzynuts
12-22-2012, 20:46
Calm down people.

If this were to take place I have a stash of sharpened sticks and throwing rocks.

Jeeeze!

cowboy1964
12-22-2012, 20:46
What, no one has recommended a 12 gauge pump yet?? There are some that think that rules NOW, even before a assault rifle ban.

Durden
12-22-2012, 20:52
I doubt any significant legislation will get passed (for a variety of political & statistical reasons), but if any legislation looks as if it will pass & ostensibly ban the purchase of ARs and/or AKs (subject to judicial challenges), I'll make it a point of principle to purchase one of these immediately (it only has a 1o round magazine, too!):

http://static.zoovy.com/img/rockytoptactical/W1510-H625-Bffffff/barrett/m107a1/0_45.jpg

rootbrain
12-22-2012, 20:57
I'm playing the devil's advocate.

Let's say a new AWB passes, which prohibits the ownership of ARs, AKs, and semi-auto military-style rifles with pistol grips and/or magazines over 10 rounds. From this point forward, you cannot buy/sell/own any of these rifles.

What kind of weapon would you use in it's place?

The most lethal thing that comes to my mind is like a Ruger Scout Rifle. Is there maybe a better choice?

If they outlaw my AR with pistol grip, I'll just remove the pistol grip. Pistol grips are "cool factor" but accuracy suffers with 'em anyway. Then I'm legal and more deadly.:cool: Talking about the front vertical BTW. Now what to do about the rear grip???

SS1
12-22-2012, 20:58
My GARAND serves me as well today as it did in WWII

rootbrain
12-22-2012, 20:59
Calm down people.

If this were to take place I have a stash of sharpened sticks and throwing rocks.

Jeeeze!

Don't forget the slingshots! David beat Goliath with one...:supergrin:

concretefuzzynuts
12-22-2012, 21:02
Don't forget the slingshots! David beat Goliath with one...:supergrin:

Seems kinda inferior to an AR. But the libs give it the stamp of socialist approval! So it must be good!

WoodenPlank
12-22-2012, 21:03
If they outlaw my AR with pistol grip, I'll just remove the pistol grip. Pistol grips are "cool factor" but accuracy suffers with 'em anyway. Then I'm legal and more deadly.:cool: Talking about the front vertical BTW. Now what to do about the rear grip???

...that's what the libs are referring to.

Samned2003
12-22-2012, 21:36
Marlin Lever Action

I already have a 30-30 and a 450 Marlin would most likely pick up a 38 -357 magnum model. I really like lever actions.

FLA45fan
12-22-2012, 21:38
My 2013 Obama Compliant Assualt Rifle - (10 shot .357mag lever gun)

ksmedman
12-22-2012, 21:52
I will arm myself with one of my half dozen AR platform rifles...
Because I expect to completely ignore any and all infringements to my 2A.

It's the Bill of Rights. Not the Bill of Allowed.

camelotkid
12-22-2012, 21:59
I would arm myself with my AK because I have more ammo for it on hand and greater penetration. If it came to that I would most likely be using it for its intended purpose.

mingaa
12-22-2012, 22:02
Don't you think all those guns would be banned under the AWB terms??

What bans the SKS in your mind? 10 rd internal mag, fixed stock, no pistol or foregrip...

So you see major changes to USPSA, 3 Gun and other national and international sanctioned competition? will events be policed for compliance? Current events and owned material would have to be grandfathered. Personally I think in 90 days this will be dead and back to business as usual.

*fingers crossed*

Ruggles
12-22-2012, 22:04
Lever action in .45 Colt or a SMLE. I could live with either.

12131
12-22-2012, 22:16
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm285/SDV10/assault-pencil_zps4832417f.jpg

http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp291/crazedmoss/1_pencil_sharpener.jpg
^^^^^ Making a SBR?:rofl:

dave8
12-22-2012, 23:17
I would likely keep my gear.

http://reason.com/archives/2012/12/22/gun-restrictions-have-always-bred-defian

lawman800
12-23-2012, 03:02
I wouldn't feel under gunned with a good semi-auto shotgun or lever gun, but if they aren't banned, the M1 Carbine, M1A Scout Squad, or Mini-30 all fit the bill nicely.

KalashniKEV
12-23-2012, 04:14
12.5" Crusader.

A ban would just make me more god-like.

TangoFoxtrot
12-23-2012, 06:21
I'm playing the devil's advocate.

Let's say a new AWB passes, which prohibits the ownership of ARs, AKs, and semi-auto military-style rifles with pistol grips and/or magazines over 10 rounds. From this point forward, you cannot buy/sell/own any of these rifles.

What kind of weapon would you use in it's place?

The most lethal thing that comes to my mind is like a Ruger Scout Rifle. Is there maybe a better choice?
I would still arm myself with my AR...The government is not going to effect what I arm myself with no matter what they pass...period!:steamed:

GAFinch
12-23-2012, 06:59
Screw that. The overreactions to the housing and banking crises have already taken away what was important to me. I'm keeping my AR.

Glockdude1
12-23-2012, 07:22
If ARs/AKs are banned, what will you arm yourself with?

Answer: What ever the "blue helmets" bring me........

:cool:

Shark1007
12-23-2012, 07:40
Well, it depends on the legislation. Last one seemed to exclude the Mini 14 as I recall. It named Uzi, AK, AR15 and such.

I always liked the Mini 14 better anyway.

roguedaddy
12-23-2012, 07:47
if ars/aks are banned, what will you arm yourself with?

Answer: What ever the "blue helmets" bring me........

:cool:

nice!

mingaa
12-23-2012, 07:50
...and semi auto shotguns are not mentioned - that's an effective weapon. 8+1 Mossberg in my closet. No external mag, no grips - part of my comp. group. I'm buying Pearce XLs for my mags ( they might go away) and 223 reloading supplies like I said check back in 90 days - I bet the pic is very different. This one dies!

Spiffums
12-23-2012, 08:15
Whatever I am issued by the militia that I join in our fight to reclaim the country in Revolutionary War 2/Civil War 2.

shadow_dog
12-23-2012, 08:29
A pic of Obama. That should scare away anyone.

Leper
12-23-2012, 08:29
My same AR I have now. I will be exempt. If I wasn't one of the .308 bolt action rifles I have now.

conpro
12-23-2012, 09:41
My ak.

Tango 1Zero
12-23-2012, 09:47
I will arm myself with one of my half dozen AR platform rifles...
Because I expect to completely ignore any and all infringements to my 2A.

It's the Bill of Rights. Not the Bill of Allowed.


SAME! Enough is ENOUGH!

Glockdude1
12-23-2012, 09:48
Whatever I am issued by the militia that I join in our fight to reclaim the country in Revolutionary War 2/Civil War 2.

http://3guys1movie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/red-dawn-2.jpg

:cool:

Gunnut 45/454
12-23-2012, 10:33
ksmedman
Agreed 100%!:supergrin:

arclight610
12-23-2012, 11:04
I just bought a Mini 14 today. Probably that.

akgunnut
12-23-2012, 11:20
I will arm myself with the very same rifles I purchased before the ban. I'm not giving them up for anyone or anything.

Made in Austria
12-23-2012, 12:23
There will be no confiscation. This would be insane. There is still a second amendment which they will and have to respect, even Obama, Biden, Bloomberg, Feinstein, etc. know that there is now way around it. There is just too much resistance from every side. They know that they are done if something like this would pass which is impossible at this time, maybe in a 100 years when humanity reaches a new stage of consciousness or something. We won't even see an new AWB ban.

But, I am sure we will see something. Probably some minor gun law restrictions/changes. The left thinks that they have to do something after those horrible incidents, they have to make the left happy with something, that way they can jump up and down for a few minutes and open a bottle of shampain or something.

They are too lazy and too unintelligent to work on the real problem. They just want to see us hand over our assoult weapons, which are no assoult weapons. But they won't because we and the founding fathers are still too strong.

wolf19r
12-23-2012, 12:24
Im thinking make a lever action 5.56. But anyways my good old 870

Glockdude1
12-23-2012, 12:46
Im thinking make a lever action 5.56. But anyways my good old 870

How about a pump action 5.56?
http://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/images/2009-5/200952010461-rem7615_ms.jpg
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/attachments/remington/34737d1284834976-new-toy-remington-7615-2.jpg

:cool:

MrMurphy
12-23-2012, 13:20
David killed Goliath with a sling, not a slingshot, which is an entirely different animal.

Having come under fire from some Arabs with them on the Lebanese border of Israel, they're no joke. Anyone without a helmet (like I was) and half the guys WITH helmets could have been killed if those idiots had any accuracy. They were hurling cobblestone size rocks at 50-100m. The IDF was shooting back with rubber bullets. That was nice, because the Arabs were going for the lethal option, and I'd have just shot them.

David was using the smaller golfball sized rocks going by the descriptions, with serious accuracy and lethality. The Roman army used slingers with lead or fired-clay "bullets" for the same reason. Against a massed target (think rioting mob) what's basically a patch of leather and two strings can effectively deter or injure people at short rifle distances...accurately, with practice. Even lethal option if it came down to it. I don't think we're going to have a new magazine called Slings & Spears Weekly, but remember it's not weapons that are dangerous, it's people and their minds.


Technology and training go hand in hand. If semiautos got banned, we'd be using 100 year old technology with current optics and options and training. A good man with a bolt action can seriously raise hell. It wouldn't be as easy or as 'cool' as a modern AR, but a rifleman with a bolt or levergun teamed with a second person with a shotgun has pretty much all the bases covered.

Same thing armies did in the 40s and 50s, having 2-3 guys with SMGs and a squad of guys with bolt guns are semiautos to cover close and long range.

Ruger wouldn't be the only one building Scout-ish rifles in that instance, and there'd be a resurgence of popularity in leverguns, whether traditional tube feds or the '95 Winchester/Savage 99/BLR mag fed types.

A .308, 7mm-08, .270, any of the medium 7mm sized rounds, topped with aperature sights and an Aimpoint or fixed 2X would be the apex of WW1-WW2 technology level fighting rifles w/o going to a semiauto action. It'd be back to slightly heavier calibers and trying to ensure a first round hit was a channel changer, rather than multiple smaller caliber hits, fast in the same place.

Your average .30-30 or .357 levergun will still defend a house quite well, especially with modern updates (XS sights, a weaponlight) if it comes down to it.

Glock30Eric
12-23-2012, 14:53
David killed Goliath with a sling, not a slingshot, which is an entirely different animal.

Having come under fire from some Arabs with them on the Lebanese border of Israel, they're no joke. Anyone without a helmet (like I was) and half the guys WITH helmets could have been killed if those idiots had any accuracy. They were hurling cobblestone size rocks at 50-100m. The IDF was shooting back with rubber bullets. That was nice, because the Arabs were going for the lethal option, and I'd have just shot them.

David was using the smaller golfball sized rocks going by the descriptions, with serious accuracy and lethality. The Roman army used slingers with lead or fired-clay "bullets" for the same reason. Against a massed target (think rioting mob) what's basically a patch of leather and two strings can effectively deter or injure people at short rifle distances...accurately, with practice. Even lethal option if it came down to it. I don't think we're going to have a new magazine called Slings & Spears Weekly, but remember it's not weapons that are dangerous, it's people and their minds.


Technology and training go hand in hand. If semiautos got banned, we'd be using 100 year old technology with current optics and options and training. A good man with a bolt action can seriously raise hell. It wouldn't be as easy or as 'cool' as a modern AR, but a rifleman with a bolt or levergun teamed with a second person with a shotgun has pretty much all the bases covered.

Same thing armies did in the 40s and 50s, having 2-3 guys with SMGs and a squad of guys with bolt guns are semiautos to cover close and long range.

Ruger wouldn't be the only one building Scout-ish rifles in that instance, and there'd be a resurgence of popularity in leverguns, whether traditional tube feds or the '95 Winchester/Savage 99/BLR mag fed types.

A .308, 7mm-08, .270, any of the medium 7mm sized rounds, topped with aperature sights and an Aimpoint or fixed 2X would be the apex of WW1-WW2 technology level fighting rifles w/o going to a semiauto action. It'd be back to slightly heavier calibers and trying to ensure a first round hit was a channel changer, rather than multiple smaller caliber hits, fast in the same place.

Your average .30-30 or .357 levergun will still defend a house quite well, especially with modern updates (XS sights, a weaponlight) if it comes down to it.

Yup you got it all info right.

A squadron of Marines became the devil dogs back in 1918 when they killed an offensive German army in a short range with their 1903A2 rifles. Germans were in fearful of those devil dogs because they could clean an army in a long range. :) Go marines!

Firefightermdc
12-23-2012, 15:05
Banned and ill keep my ar

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nipperwolf
12-23-2012, 16:55
How about a pump action 5.56?

Love mine!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/nippr/web/DGG_7894pw.jpg

;)

Glockdude1
12-23-2012, 17:18
Love mine!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/nippr/web/DGG_7894pw.jpg

;)

:thumbsup:

I have never shot one. How is the accuracy?

Fav loads?

Kirishiac
12-23-2012, 18:29
M1a, but I might have to remove the "evil" flash hider.

darkparadox
12-23-2012, 19:11
Going to pretend it's a ban on all semi auto rifles.

Marlin 336 30/30 likely with a 1-4 variable power optic and a light.

k31 for around the house

A lightweight bolt action 308 16-18 inch barrel with detachable magazine would be my go to SHTF rifle.

nipperwolf
12-23-2012, 19:11
:thumbsup:

I have never shot one. How is the accuracy?

Excillent. Fixed, free floated barrel. Heres a couple scoped groups at 50yds with Black Hills Match;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/nippr/web/DSCN3508w.jpg

nipperwolf
12-23-2012, 19:16
M1a, but I might have to remove the "evil" flash hider.

You're assuming the next proposed ban, will be like the last one.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

WoodenPlank
12-23-2012, 19:17
You're assuming the next proposed ban will even make it out of committee, much less pass the House.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Fixed your post for you.

skeeter1959
12-23-2012, 22:23
Not that it would happen, but I'd get a .338 lapua or a .308 sniper rifle with great optics.

When it's time to hide the EBRs, it's time to use them.

WarEagle32
12-23-2012, 22:28
I like a ton of others hypothetically of course would just keep my AR's and AK's. If I had to pick out of the non banned guns at the time it would be between a Mini 30 or mini 14 that I will buy, then augment that with the Mossberg 590 marinkote that I already have.

Glockdude1
12-24-2012, 09:14
Excillent. Fixed, free floated barrel. Heres a couple scoped groups at 50yds with Black Hills Match;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/nippr/web/DSCN3508w.jpg

Very nice.

Calvis
12-24-2012, 15:58
Moss pump, Marlin '94C, my Glock 40s....under your hypothetical

GLOCK2130
12-24-2012, 18:09
I will not legitimize an illegal or immoral law period , quite frankly I am saddened at some of the answers I've seen here . If they come to Illegaly confinscate your arms in violation of the constitution it is your duty and obligation to refuse,

nipperwolf
12-24-2012, 18:23
I will not legitimize an illegal or immoral law period , quite frankly I am saddened at some of the answers I've seen here . If they come to Illegaly confinscate your arms in violation of the constitution it is your duty and obligation to refuse, and your only response should be to give them your bullets........... pointy end first!

Thanks for getting the tread closed dum****

:upeyes:

Mr Spock
12-24-2012, 18:39
Just for the hypothetical... I'd have to go with my Mossberg M590a1 for home defense (same job it has now - 9 rounds of 00 buck will take care of just about ANY home defense problems short of an entire platoon).

For an offensive battle rifle/hunting rifle/all around rifle, I'd go for a M1 Garand that I'd "ruin" with a really nice modern optic, maybe a new barrel, and that'd be that. It'd be more accurate than I'd ever need, and I'd wager that with a Garand and 1 extra clip I'd be able to inflict about as much damage as twice that number of rounds from an AR, and from a longer distance.

The previous generation of battle rifles were called battle rifles for a reason...

PrecisionRifleman
12-24-2012, 18:43
What, no one has recommended a 12 gauge pump yet?? There are some that think that rules NOW, even before a assault rifle ban.

+1 I have much love for my 12 gauge 870P.

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Glock30Eric
12-24-2012, 18:44
I will not legitimize an illegal or immoral law period , quite frankly I am saddened at some of the answers I've seen here . If they come to Illegaly confinscate your arms in violation of the constitution it is your duty and obligation to refuse,

Where have you been? More than 60% of Americans aren't doing anything with many of President's EOs, Obamacare, Fast n furious, eric? If they allowed those to happen then I won't be surprised if the US Govt will take our gun rights away. It is building to that point.

faawrenchbndr
12-24-2012, 18:52
I will not legitimize an illegal or immoral law period , quite frankly I am saddened at some of the answers I've seen here . If they come to Illegaly confinscate your arms in violation of the constitution it is your duty and obligation to refuse, and your only response should be to give them your bullets........... pointy end first!


Why did ya edit it.........? :tongueout:

bmoore
12-24-2012, 18:56
Love mine!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/nippr/web/DGG_7894pw.jpg

;)

I have always really liked those. Seem like a handy rifle for someone with a ranch/property and likes the traditional style.

Dalton Wayne
12-24-2012, 19:10
When my evil guns are outlawed I will become an outlaw!

lawman800
12-25-2012, 02:01
+1 I have much love for my 12 gauge 870P.

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I mentioned a pump shotgun or semi auto shotgun way back because I am cool like that.:whistling:

mc1911
12-25-2012, 09:57
A buddy of mine works for a PD that was issued the pump .223s.

He said the officers did not like them. I told him they were not tacticool enough. Another officer said they were accurate and reliable but they wanted ARs.

lawman800
12-25-2012, 10:01
A buddy of mine works for a PD that was issued the pump .223s.

He said the officers did not like them. I told him they were not tacticool enough. Another officer said they were accurate and reliable but they wanted ARs.

If it is issued (free) and it worked, I could care less what it looks like. Heck, give me a lever gun for all I care. I think those lever guns look way cooler than an AR anyway. Too many tactidweebs and operaturds ruined the whole AR thing anyway.

Bren
12-25-2012, 10:12
A buddy of mine works for a PD that was issued the pump .223s.

He said the officers did not like them. I told him they were not tacticool enough. Another officer said they were accurate and reliable but they wanted ARs.

The truth is, spraying and praying is fun, but not that useful. If you can't use a pump as fast as a semi-auto, you aren't using the semi-auto right to begin with.

ArmoryDoc
12-25-2012, 10:24
They can ban all they want to. They aren't getting my stuff until I'm dead and gone. That's just how it is.

Warp
12-25-2012, 11:18
My Colt 6920

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/austin3161324/Firearms/20121208_210639_zpse5046b0a.jpg

Warp
12-25-2012, 11:19
The truth is, spraying and praying is fun, but not that useful. If you can't use a pump as fast as a semi-auto, you aren't using the semi-auto right to begin with.

Or you suck with a semi auto

glock031
12-25-2012, 12:11
David killed Goliath with a sling, not a slingshot, which is an entirely different animal.

Having come under fire from some Arabs with them on the Lebanese border of Israel, they're no joke. Anyone without a helmet (like I was) and half the guys WITH helmets could have been killed if those idiots had any accuracy. They were hurling cobblestone size rocks at 50-100m. The IDF was shooting back with rubber bullets. That was nice, because the Arabs were going for the lethal option, and I'd have just shot them.

David was using the smaller golfball sized rocks going by the descriptions, with serious accuracy and lethality. The Roman army used slingers with lead or fired-clay "bullets" for the same reason. Against a massed target (think rioting mob) what's basically a patch of leather and two strings can effectively deter or injure people at short rifle distances...accurately, with practice. Even lethal option if it came down to it. I don't think we're going to have a new magazine called Slings & Spears Weekly, but remember it's not weapons that are dangerous, it's people and their minds.


Technology and training go hand in hand. If semiautos got banned, we'd be using 100 year old technology with current optics and options and training. A good man with a bolt action can seriously raise hell. It wouldn't be as easy or as 'cool' as a modern AR, but a rifleman with a bolt or levergun teamed with a second person with a shotgun has pretty much all the bases covered.

Same thing armies did in the 40s and 50s, having 2-3 guys with SMGs and a squad of guys with bolt guns are semiautos to cover close and long range.

Ruger wouldn't be the only one building Scout-ish rifles in that instance, and there'd be a resurgence of popularity in leverguns, whether traditional tube feds or the '95 Winchester/Savage 99/BLR mag fed types.

A .308, 7mm-08, .270, any of the medium 7mm sized rounds, topped with aperature sights and an Aimpoint or fixed 2X would be the apex of WW1-WW2 technology level fighting rifles w/o going to a semiauto action. It'd be back to slightly heavier calibers and trying to ensure a first round hit was a channel changer, rather than multiple smaller caliber hits, fast in the same place.

Your average .30-30 or .357 levergun will still defend a house quite well, especially with modern updates (XS sights, a weaponlight) if it comes down to it.

Just watched this on biblical battles on the history channel. The narrator claims the sling was capable of slinging a 4 oz rock at 125 FPS and 60lbs of energy within the 30 yds direct fire that David killed Goliath. Said the 4 oz rock would have penetrated at least 2" into Goliath eye socket.

TangoFoxtrot
12-25-2012, 14:05
Fixed your post for you.

The next AWB will be on steroids and have sharp teeth!

rapidrick
12-25-2012, 16:14
I'd use my lever action Marlin 1894, 44 mag, 10 rds +1. Longer range, my Interarms 30-06...

jrs93accord
12-25-2012, 16:55
After reading most of the posts on this thread, I have come to the conclusion that a lot of people are really overly concerned about nothing. They are making mountains out of molehills. You can "what if" all you want, but it does nobody any good. How many of you recall what happened with the last AWB? One thing that did happen was gun sales went through the roof, as did high capacity magazines. The government banned weapons with certain features, so the manufacturers found a way to get around that and still produced weapons that were perfectly legal to buy. How did the last AWB impact the sales of so-called "assault weapons"? It did not. Any weapon that was made prior to 1994 with the "evil" features was not effected. Essentially, sales continued to grow. The talk of a new AWB is just that. Look at what has happened in the wake of Sandy Hook, gun sales and hi-cap mag sales have gone through the roof, especially "assault" type weapons. Ammo is flying off the shelves as well.

If ARs/AKs are banned, what will you arm yourself with? What ever I have at the time. Including my ARs or AKs.

God protect us and our Constitutional rights. May those than can, help those that cannot. Defend our liberty and freedom with all our moral fiber. Defeat tyranny and oppression with whatever it takes. Our forefathers worked too hard to make this a free country and the men and women of our nation's military have given their lives and the lives of loved ones to defend it. It is time for the American people to stand up and defend what is ours and not relinquish it. This is our Country, land that we love. Stand beside her and guide her through the night with the light from above. Gon bless America, our home sweet home.

igor
12-25-2012, 17:28
i have always wanted to try a remington 7615. its a pump 223 rifle that takes any ar mag

mikeflys1
12-26-2012, 09:30
An AR or AK.


**** 'em

NorthernAlpine
12-26-2012, 12:15
Harsh Language and....
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-w05Dtb2aAXk/Ty-xYnB1Y2I/AAAAAAAABCc/EnTIWmbzSG8/s1600/Scarface-4.jpg

Wriggly
12-27-2012, 00:32
This is what they are going to try to do......


Summary of 2013 Feinstein Assault Weapons

Legislation

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:

120 specifically-named firearms

Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a

detachable magazine and have one military characteristic

Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept

more than 10 rounds

Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:

Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test

Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from

the characteristics test

Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bulletbuttons” to address

attempts to “work around” prior bans

Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than

10 rounds.

Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:

Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment

Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or

sporting purposes and

Exempting antique,manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms

Act, to include:

o Background check of owner and any transferee;

o Type and serial number of the firearm;

o Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;

o Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that

possession would not violate State or local law; and

o Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration

concretefuzzynuts
12-27-2012, 03:33
Won't pass.

lawman800
12-27-2012, 05:22
Won't pass.

Don't be so sure... I know it will be a tough fight in the House, but we have enough turncoats in the conservative party that I can't count on all of them to stick to the fight, and I don't trust the Dems at all to not just vote the party line like they did with Obamacare.

Senate? Done deal. It'll pass without so much as a debate.

nipperwolf
12-27-2012, 06:26
Don't be so sure...

Many forget the 94 ban only passed by 1 vote. And thats because that idiot in my state changed his mind at the last minute. :steamed:

concretefuzzynuts
12-27-2012, 08:17
Don't be so sure... I know it will be a tough fight in the House, but we have enough turncoats in the conservative party that I can't count on all of them to stick to the fight, and I don't trust the Dems at all to not just vote the party line like they did with Obamacare.

Senate? Done deal. It'll pass without so much as a debate.

As it is written there, it won't pass. But I suspect some form of it will. There will be negotiations.

fastbolt
12-27-2012, 11:50
When I was sitting in a training room with a lot of firearms instructors & armorers recently, someone posed a question to the group. They wanted to take a poll of which firearm someone would choose if they could only have 1 long gun.

Most of the folks answered they'd want a M4, which made a certain kind of sense when you considered the LE/tactical mindset of the group (instructors, armorers, patrol, swat, etc). A couple answered shotgun. Might have been one SKS tossed in there.

Me? I answered a .30-30 lever gun.

When asked why, I responded that the ammo was widely available just about anywhere in the country, even in some backwater bait/tackle/gun shop. Not many "runs" on that caliber.

Another advantage offered by the old lever gun design is an integral magazine (tube).

Detachable box-type magazines are fine for their intended role, but a M4 without magazines is a slow single shot weapon. Magazines can be dropped & lost a bit more easily when they're not attached to the rifle. ;)

Then again, maybe I just like to be a bit of a contrarian now & again. :whistling:

Of course, I plan to keep my old .30-30 lever rifle, which sits alongside my registered Colt "assault rifle" in my safe.

Berto
12-27-2012, 12:10
In that hypothetical, a Win 94 lever rifle and my 870.
ETA: as Fastbolt pointed out nicely, no magazines to be concerned about and the weapon can be topped off easily as you go.

janice6
12-27-2012, 12:12
My GARAND serves me as well today as it did in WWII


I would like the Garand also. It worked before.

janice6
12-27-2012, 12:15
Just watched this on biblical battles on the history channel. The narrator claims the sling was capable of slinging a 4 oz rock at 125 FPS and 60lbs of energy within the 30 yds direct fire that David killed Goliath. Said the 4 oz rock would have penetrated at least 2" into Goliath eye socket.


Shot placement over caliber. Accepted philosophy.

Dalton Wayne
12-27-2012, 12:20
I see a lot of people have already gave up! I will not give up my rights so in answer to your question MY AK and my 35 30 round mags:steamed:

Three-Five-Seven
12-27-2012, 12:29
I will continue to use my AR and AK rifles. It is what any person who subscribes to the Constitution of the United States of America would do. Many people have died over the past 136 years defending the Constitution and the freedoms and responsibilities it affords citizens of this country. The document has an addendum, the Second Amendment to the Constitution, which requires citizens to bear arms in defense of the document -- to protect it from all enemies.

The context of the Second Amendment in the document makes it clear that the founding fathers intended for citizens to have the power to defend the Law of the Land, with lethal force if necessary. Even against the "government" itself, if necessary.

It is getting very tiresome reading the remarks of people on gun boards who would so easily abrogate their civic responsibility and loyalty to the Constitution of the United States of America because some *** hat journalists are calling for a curtailment of the Right to bear arms. Too many great men and women have given their lives for this responsibility for shooting enthusiast (of all people!) to roll over in compliance with any "law" that contradicts the spirit of Amendment #2.

Teej
12-27-2012, 22:31
lever action 30-30 and 12 gauge pump

Teej
12-27-2012, 22:35
The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):
Rifles (or copies or duplicates): M1 Carbine, Sturm Ruger Mini-14, AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, AR-10, Thompson 1927, Thompson M1; AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR; Olympic Arms PCR; AR70, Calico Liberty , Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC, Hi-Point20Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, Thompson 1927 Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS with detachable magazine, SLG 95, SLR 95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ). Pistols (or copies or duplicates): Calico M-110, MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3, Olympic Arms OA, TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10, Uzi. Shotguns (or copies or duplicates): Armscor 30 BG, SPAS 12 or LAW 12, Striker 12, Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs): A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below), (iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud. Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles). A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has: (i) a second pistol grip, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a barrel shroud or (iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and (v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds. A semiautomatic shotgun with: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a pistol grip (see definition below), (iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and (iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder. Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits. Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any "semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General."

TTM65
12-28-2012, 03:49
Your assumption that people like me would give up their guns because of some illegal piece of legislation. Not going to happen at my house.

Z28ricer
12-28-2012, 17:30
What will I arm myself with ?


My AR15, what else would I use ?

vikingsoftpaw
12-28-2012, 18:12
Like others said, an M1 Garand, Navy Garand Springfield Armory M1A.

I could throw in a Remington 7615P, pump action .223 for the sake of argument.

Such a ban would only placate the Cult of Bammster for so long. They would soon turn their attention from black rifles to brown ones.

azbuckeye
12-28-2012, 18:19
12 Gauge Remington 870 or Marlin 45-70 Guide rifle.

Teej
12-28-2012, 18:19
Such a ban would only placate the Cult of Bammster for so long. They would soon turn their attention from black rifles to brown ones.


Agreed! Liberals won't give up their momentum. Remember in England they can't even have single shot shotguns in their homes. And there IS proven money from the UK in the gun grabbers war chests!!!

Well I should edit this statement. They can in England own shotguns that hold 3 or less rounds. They MUST obtain a shotgun certificate from the police. The shotgun CANNOT be used for selfdefense AND they limit shot size to bird/skeet loads. No Large buckshot rounds allowed or even available......

fallenangelhim
12-28-2012, 19:35
Mini 14.


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OmegaRunner
12-28-2012, 19:41
What will I arm myself with ?


My AR15, what else would I use ?

Ditto

janice6
12-28-2012, 19:43
M2.......................

nipperwolf
12-28-2012, 19:54
M2.......................


Ma Duece???

;)

lawman800
12-28-2012, 19:59
Agreed! Liberals won't give up their momentum. Remember in England they can't even have single shot shotguns in their homes. And there IS proven money from the UK in the gun grabbers war chests!!!

Well I should edit this statement. They can in England own shotguns that hold 3 or less rounds. They MUST obtain a shotgun certificate from the police. The shotgun CANNOT be used for selfdefense AND they limit shot size to bird/skeet loads. No Large buckshot rounds allowed or even available......

That part gets me... you have a shotgun permit but cannot use it in self defense... so you can use it as a club and beat the burglar to death with it?

How about the burglar that gets his hands on your shotgun? I'm sure the law does not prevent offensive use of it, because libs never think about the other way around beyond a ban.

Teej
12-28-2012, 20:10
That part gets me... you have a shotgun permit but cannot use it in self defense... so you can use it as a club and beat the burglar to death with it?

How about the burglar that gets his hands on your shotgun? I'm sure the law does not prevent offensive use of it, because libs never think about the other way around beyond a ban.

Use your registered "permit" shotgun in selfdefence in England and you WILL go to prison. It has happened and it is their law.

janice6
12-28-2012, 20:14
Ma Duece???

;)


I don't want to feel "under gunned".

We are playing "what if".

MfWiC
12-28-2012, 20:34
My AR & AK.


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COLDSTEEL165
12-29-2012, 02:07
I think that if you do own one for the last 20 yrs or more etc. That you should be Grandfather in & do not have to get rid of it etc. "FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS.?" Remember that quote RIP C. Heston

HunterLee
12-29-2012, 02:15
harsh words

combatmedic78
12-29-2012, 08:56
my AR

Mr Spock
12-29-2012, 09:39
harsh words

Stop! Or I'll shout stop again!

You ninny!

jakebrake
12-29-2012, 09:39
my sks for starters.

trigger45
12-30-2012, 08:00
Mossberg 500 12Ga.

lawman800
12-30-2012, 12:55
Mossberg 500 12Ga.

If it comes to that, I would go for a semi auto shotgun or at least a Mossberg 590A1 so I can stick a bayonet on it for that last charge as the ammo runs out because of the low capacity and long reload time.:whistling:

mgs
12-30-2012, 13:06
I will arm myself with one of my half dozen AR platform rifles...
Because I expect to completely ignore any and all infringements to my 2A.

It's the Bill of Rights. Not the Bill of Allowed.

I agree! I can also keep my 6 sniper rifles and 12G semi auto and pump trench guns.

TheGrimReaper
12-30-2012, 13:21
A Evil Stare.

mc1911
12-30-2012, 19:06
A lever action 22 magnum might be another option.