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427
12-23-2012, 14:05
It seems there's plutonium in the air and it's enough to be detected in air filters. Plutonium is not natural. One of the most toxic substances. Inhaling a particle is not a good thing.

http://www.nuclear.com/archive/2012/11/23/alpha_tracks_in_lung_tissue.jpg
Of course there will be the people who say that it's harmless. Is internalization of any radioactive substance harmless?

Where did it come from? The biggest on going industrial disaster.

Plutonium-239 in U.S. air filters results, 2010-2012:

Region 1: (CT, MA, ME, NH, RI, VT)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=01&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 2: (NJ, NY, PR, VI)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=02&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 3: (DC, DE, MD, PA, VA, WV)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=03&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 4: (AL, FL, GA, KY, MS, NC, SC, TN)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=04&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 5: (IL, IN, MI, MN, OH, WI)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=05&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 6: (AR, LA, NM, OK, TX)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=06&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 7: (IA, KS, MO, NE)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=07&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 8: (CO, MT, ND, SD, UT, WY)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=08&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 9: (AS, AZ, CA, FM, GU, HI, MH, MP, NV, PW)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=09&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 10: (AK, ID, OR, WA)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=10&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

meathead19
12-23-2012, 14:09
Well, it's not the guberment that's fo sho.

davew83
12-23-2012, 14:16
It seems there's plutonium in the air and it's enough to be detected in air filters. Plutonium is not natural. One of the most toxic substances. Inhaling a particle is not a good thing.


You sure about that?

427
12-23-2012, 14:17
You sure about that?

Where is Pu found in nature and how did it get into the air?

Cali-Glock
12-23-2012, 14:42
Where is Pu found in nature and how did it get into the air?


http://www.terrapub.co.jp/journals/GJ/pdf/2601/26010001.PDF




Plutonium in the environment since the mid-20th century has primarily been due to human activity. The majority of plutonium isotopes are short-lived on a geological timescale.[1] It has been argued that some natural plutonium (the very long lived 244Pu isotope) can be found in nature.[2] This isotope has been found in lunar soil,[3] meteorites,[4] and in the Oklo natural reactor.[5] But in general it is normally considered that the bulk of all plutonium is man made. According to one paper on marine sediments for plutonium in marine sediments, bomb fall out is responsible for the majority of the 239Pu and 240Pu (66% and 59% respectively of that found in the English Channel) while nuclear reprocessing is responsible for the majority of the 238Pu and 241Pu present in the sea (bomb tests are only responsible for 6.5 and 16.5% of these isotopes respectively).[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonium_in_the_environment#cite_note-1

http://www.ead.anl.gov/pub/doc/plutonium.pdf

427
12-23-2012, 15:02
Is Pu244 being detected? The majority is manmade, not natural. So, how did Pu239 get into the air in detectable levels?

Ragnar
12-23-2012, 17:27
It seems there's plutonium in the air and it's enough to be detected in air filters. Plutonium is not natural. One of the most toxic substances. Inhaling a particle is not a good thing.

http://www.nuclear.com/archive/2012/11/23/alpha_tracks_in_lung_tissue.jpg
Of course there will be the people who say that it's harmless. Is internalization of any radioactive substance harmless?

Where did it come from? The biggest on going industrial disaster.

Plutonium-239 in U.S. air filters results, 2010-2012:

Region 1: (CT, MA, ME, NH, RI, VT)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=01&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 2: (NJ, NY, PR, VI)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=02&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 3: (DC, DE, MD, PA, VA, WV)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=03&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 4: (AL, FL, GA, KY, MS, NC, SC, TN)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=04&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 5: (IL, IN, MI, MN, OH, WI)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=05&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 6: (AR, LA, NM, OK, TX)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=06&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 7: (IA, KS, MO, NE)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=07&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 8: (CO, MT, ND, SD, UT, WY)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=08&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 9: (AS, AZ, CA, FM, GU, HI, MH, MP, NV, PW)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=09&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional

Region 10: (AK, ID, OR, WA)
http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?pStation=0&Llocation=EPA+Region&subloc=10&media=AIR-FILTER&radi=Plutonium-239&Fromyear=2010&Toyear=2012&units=Traditional


I would note that the detected amount is about 3 orders of magnitude less than the dangerous amount. If you're gonna scare people at least present the facts in a manner they can be interpreted by people.

Ragnar
12-23-2012, 17:35
Is Pu244 being detected? The majority is manmade, not natural. So, how did Pu239 get into the air in detectable levels?

The stuff has a half-life of 24000 years. The nuke testing since 1945 put enough into the air, soil, and water that it will be wafting around forever. And both nuclear plants and nuclear waste piles aren't perfect. There is always some leakage.

The question you should be asking is whether the detected amounts are dangerous. I note the OP didn't care to mention that part.

*ASH*
12-23-2012, 17:38
chem trails :whistling::whistling::tempted::tempted:

HerrGlock
12-23-2012, 18:26
Plutonium is not natural.

You lost any credibility with this sentence.

I asked Dad if PU was natural or man-made and got a 20 minute lecture on how it was both.

Oh, Dad retired after 40 years as a radiation physicist so I kinda think I'm going to take his word over yours.

427
12-23-2012, 19:00
I would note that the detected amount is about 3 orders of magnitude less than the dangerous amount. If you're gonna scare people at least present the facts in a manner they can be interpreted by people.I'm not trying to scare anybody. I simply pointed out what I found.

The stuff has a half-life of 24000 years. The nuke testing since 1945 put enough into the air, soil, and water that it will be wafting around forever. And both nuclear plants and nuclear waste piles aren't perfect. There is always some leakage.

The question you should be asking is whether the detected amounts are dangerous. I note the OP didn't care to mention that part.I did. I asked if the internalization of any radioactive substance harmless. Is it?

If there's enough in the air to be detected, there's probably some particles that are going to be ingested. Is it harmless? Is there a risk to inhaling a particle?

I thought that highly radioactive substances were tightly controlled. How and why did a heavy element like Pu get into and stay the air?


You lost any credibility with this sentence.

I asked Dad if PU was natural or man-made and got a 20 minute lecture on how it was both.

Oh, Dad retired after 40 years as a radiation physicist so I kinda think I'm going to take his word over yours.
Take his word, it's not going to hurt my feelings.

Ask dad if the Pu239 being detected is man made or natural? Then ask him if ingesting it is harmful. Then ask him how it might've got into the air to the point where it was detectable over most of the US.

NEOH212
12-23-2012, 19:11
chem trails :whistling::whistling::tempted::tempted:

What in the World Are They Spraying? (Full Length) - YouTube

Just in case you still think they aren't real. :wavey:


As a side note:

I'll add that although I don't buy into the theories of climate control or genetic modification of people, I can't ignore all the evidence that exists that clearly shows something is really going on with this and that it's very real.

I don't know what it means or what whoever is trying to accomplish by doing it, but it is happening.

clint curtis
12-24-2012, 12:15
What is the half-life of the radioactivity from the bombs dropped on Japan? How is it that they rebuilt on the bomb site?

MulletLoad
12-24-2012, 13:34
Just in case you still think they aren't real. :wavey:
As a side note:
I'll add that although I don't buy into the theories of climate control or genetic modification of people, I can't ignore all the evidence that exists that clearly shows something is really going on with this and that it's very real.

I don't know what it means or what whoever is trying to accomplish by doing it, but it is happening.

B.S.

The imaginary spray jets don't exist, (except for low level prop mosquito bombers, a few C-130's configured to do the same, a couple of flight test icing jets)

The imaginary chemtrail airports don't exist. The only place secure enough from prying eyes is Area 51, and even if they used that place, they'd run into a I-10/I-95/I-75 of commercial jet traffic north or south of it as they try to leave. Military pilots wouldn't do it. One whiff of a BS spraying program, and they'd mutiny. Look at the top tier F22 fighter pilots, the Air Force tried to gloss over jet defects and they went on 60 minutes to complain.

The imaginary chemtrail pilots don't exist. Even if they did, they couldn't keep their mouths shut, especially if they got one whiff that they were spraying their fellow citizens. there isn't enough foreign pilots in the world to carry out the "spraying" that is supposed to be happening.

Commercial airliners aren't spraying. There isn't enough space and payload left over carry thousands of pounds of equipment and fluids. Who would service them anyway? Airline mechanics are nearly all union, try to get a illuminati in a Spectre jumpsuit near one with a wrench and see what happens.

The fixtures on the trailing edges of wings are fairings to cover flap jackscrews for extensions, not spray equipment.


Every day at my office is spent looking out a beautiful set of windows at least 100 miles in each direction. My office is usually at 35,000-39,000 feet up.

What you're seeing is contrails from a large increase of flying over time and aircraft that can get to the upper 30K altitudes unlike a heavy B727's or DC-9's of 30 years ago.

Merry Xmas

MtBaldy
12-24-2012, 13:49
Every day at my office is spent looking out a beautiful set of windows at least 100 miles in each direction. My office is usually at 35,000-39,000 feet up.


So you're one of them? Had ya pegged from the beginning. Of course you're going to say there's nothing to it when YOU'RE ONE OF THE ONES SPRAYING! Sheesh, you think we're stupid or something?














ps

Just trying to save the tin foil nutters some typing.

Cybercowboy
12-24-2012, 13:57
Just in case you still think they aren't real. :wavey:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::wavey:

MulletLoad
12-24-2012, 14:00
You get an extra dose of barium and hexafloridic spooge on my next mission.

You'd better double dose up on the collodial silver.

The job isn't that good. The pay is OK, but the Boss is an arrogant pr#ck that wears a monocle and goofy suits while stroking a stupid persian cat in his lap, plus these endless minions in jumpsuits and clipboards.

Your friend, Klaus Hergerscheimer