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TSAX
12-23-2012, 16:01
With all the concern about a nationwide assault weapons ban, what state currently has the best laws that the country should model after. What are the laws that make that state ideal to follow? Or is there a city or county that has their own ordinances that got it right. In CA there are many counties that don't allow ammo to be shipped into that county, this they got wrong.






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AK_Stick
12-23-2012, 16:03
AK. Unquestionably.

jmarkt
12-23-2012, 16:05
Louisiana...open carry :wavey:

KY Moose
12-23-2012, 16:17
IMHO, it would be a combination of Kentucky and Alaska.

Alaska for no permit required to conceal carry, and Kentucky for having their concealed deadly weapon permit that covers non-firearms, plus less restrictions on where to carry.

BicycleDay43
12-23-2012, 16:29
Not sure if you guys realized this, but New Mexico has open carry without a permit at age 19+. Not to mention your vehicle is considered an extension of your home.

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Lee-online
12-23-2012, 16:29
There is no one state that has everything right.
AK has it right with no permit to carry but they have too many off limit places.

PA has some of the best carry laws because there are hardly any places off limits. Court houses and they have to supply a lock box. Schools are still gray until case law decides it is off limits. For the states that do issue permits PA's is a better one, $20 for 5 years and no training, fingerprints and only take 15 minutes in most counties. We can also carry class3 weapons with our permit.
oh, we have open carry with no permit at 18.

TheExplorer
12-23-2012, 16:30
It doesn't get much easier than PA.

certifiedfunds
12-23-2012, 16:30
Louisiana. Strict scrutiny. Open carry. Constitutional protection in cars

dvrdwn72
12-23-2012, 16:33
Florida isnt too bad. Not many off limit places, preemption, alot of reciprocity, auto is extention of your home.

kenpoprofessor
12-23-2012, 16:38
AZ, land of Title II, no permits for OC or CC, carry in bars if not posted. Can carry any weapon of choice, up to and including a full auto suppressed MAC, and I've seen them do it :supergrin:

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

Fear Night
12-23-2012, 16:43
No complaints here in AL.

GreenDrake
12-23-2012, 17:39
Idaho is quite simple too. No issues here and I have carried for 19 years here.

Upgrayedd
12-23-2012, 17:59
Not Ohio, that's for sure.

cowboy1964
12-23-2012, 18:01
Arizona is not bad.

Ohio does suck but look at where we were just 9 years ago. We've come a long way.

ranger1968
12-23-2012, 18:03
Florida isnt too bad. Not many off limit places, preemption, alot of reciprocity, auto is extention of your home.

Acutally, anywhere you happen to be legally is an "extension of your home" for self-defense purposes.....

Also, no FID, FOID, or other "permits" to purchase, no registration, no limits on stocks, magazines capacity, etc, and private sales with no paperwork are perfectly legal.

meathead19
12-23-2012, 18:08
IMHO, it would be a combination of Kentucky and Alaska.

Alaska for no permit required to conceal carry, and Kentucky for having their concealed deadly weapon permit that covers non-firearms, plus less restrictions on where to carry.

I concur. :cool:

Bruce M
12-23-2012, 18:08
Vermont has some charm regarding firearms.

BigDeeeeeeee
12-23-2012, 18:08
Idaho is quite simple too. No issues here and I have carried for 19 years here.
+1:wavey:

Upgrayedd
12-23-2012, 18:13
Arizona is not bad.

Ohio does suck but look at where we were just 9 years ago. We've come a long way.

Came a long way, but still far from AZ. Some days I think my permit only permits my carry of my permit.:supergrin:

Bren
12-23-2012, 18:16
AK. Unquestionably.

Actually, other than no=permit carry, just about all of Kentucky law on guns and self defense is much more favorable to the shooter.

Texas, Arizona, Alaska and Vermont may be candidates, but in the big picture, Kentucky leads. There is more to life that carrying without a permit (AK,AZ and VT) or shooting fleeing thieves (TX) and those are their only stronger points.

HollowHead
12-23-2012, 18:21
Not only do I think that we have no gun laws here in Montana, but our governer has been pressing to have any weapon manufactured and sold within the state exempt from any federal laws. Belt-feds for all! HH

ChuteTheMall
12-23-2012, 18:28
Any state that prohibits open carry can't be among the best.

Sorry FL, TX, OK, SC, AR, etc.


Virginia allows open carry in the state capital even while the legislature is in session; that sends a clear message to tyrants regarding the original intent of the 2nd amendment.

Graybar100
12-23-2012, 18:30
Montana is good.

JLB768
12-23-2012, 18:32
Indiana is pretty good. Open/Concealed, your choice. Lifetime permit to carry $125. Castle Doctrine, good shoot, no criminal/civil liability, and your vehicle is an extention of your home.

MikeNH
12-23-2012, 18:43
NH, for the time being. They just elected a liberal anti of a governor though.


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G36's Rule
12-23-2012, 18:48
Stupid thread.


In a time when we all need to stick together...

kenpoprofessor
12-23-2012, 18:57
Actually, other than no=permit carry, just about all of Kentucky law on guns and self defense is much more favorable to the shooter.

Texas, Arizona, Alaska and Vermont may be candidates, but in the big picture, Kentucky leads. There is more to life that carrying without a permit (AK,AZ and VT) or shooting fleeing thieves (TX) and those are their only stronger points.

AZ just passed a ballot vote to remove the ability to sue for any person (or their family) injured in the commission of a crime.

We have very strong stand your ground laws.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

meathead19
12-23-2012, 19:01
Stupid thread.


In a time when we all need to stick together...

Stupid response when no one asked you to chime in.

Dig it???

G36's Rule
12-23-2012, 19:04
Stupid response when no one asked you to chime in.

Dig it???

Did I hurt your feelings Princess?

meathead19
12-23-2012, 19:05
Did I hurt your feelings Princess?

No sweet cheeks. Keep trying.

G36's Rule
12-23-2012, 19:09
Aren't you special?

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg

meathead19
12-23-2012, 19:13
Of course....God said I was.

From the pic of your mom, I can see where you get your intelligence.

686Owner
12-23-2012, 19:15
http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/stateleg/scorecard/2011/2011_Brady_Campaign_State_Scorecard_Rankings.pdf

stevelyn
12-23-2012, 19:20
You really have to ask? You can flip a coin to see what order AZ, WY & VT follows.

Some of you defending your states' restrictions is proof that none are more enslaved than those who foolishly think they are free.

Originally Posted by G36's Rule

Stupid thread.


In a time when we all need to stick together...

I agree we have to stick together, but the problem is that too many are willing to accept further restrictions. Just look at the folks defending their state laws.

ViennaGambit
12-24-2012, 10:58
Never mind. Already covered.

Moving from NYC to AZ I felt like I died and went to heaven - not too sure you could get more relaxed gun laws for responsible citizens here in AZ....

PAGunner
12-24-2012, 11:04
In both FL and PA I feel and have felt like a free man, NY I felt like a cog in the socialist wheel, those are the 3 states I've resided in.

chewybaca67
12-24-2012, 11:07
Not sure if you guys realized this, but New Mexico has open carry without a permit at age 19+. Not to mention your vehicle is considered an extension of your home.

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Luckily, many don't even consider New Mexico a state.....maybe they'll forget us and leave us alone.

Bren
12-24-2012, 11:15
AZ just passed a ballot vote to remove the ability to sue for any person (or their family) injured in the commission of a crime.

We have very strong stand your ground laws.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

If I shoot somebody in self-defense, defense of another, or defense of my property against burglary or arson, he has to pay my attorney fees, lost wages and other expenses if I am found to be justified and his suit has to be dismissed. Also, the police have the burden of proving I am not justified, to even make an initial arrest.

I can carry any weapon from a sword to a M2 Browning .50 Cal Machinegun with no permit, as long as it's visible. I can carry the same concealed with a permit or concealed in my glove compartment without a permit [loaded and unlocked]). I also don't have to wait for a NICS check to buy a gun, with the CCW permit.

I can shoot somebody for entering, or remaining in, my house for the purpose of committing any crime, felony or misdemeanor.

I can go to the state capitol with my pistol and permit, go through the metal detector, show the permit and walk on into the governor's office or the attorney general's office with my gun still in the holster.

In Kentucky, you can open carry a pistol if you are 18+.

Probably a lot more I'm forgetting.

Bren
12-24-2012, 11:20
Indiana is pretty good. Open/Concealed, your choice. Lifetime permit to carry $125. Castle Doctrine, good shoot, no criminal/civil liability, and your vehicle is an extention of your home.

But don't you have to have a permit to open carry or carry a gun in your car?

JBL13
12-24-2012, 11:22
Utah is pretty good. When my wife was a teacher, I legally carried concealed at her school when I stopped by to visit or watch a program put on by the grade/student body.

NOGIBJJ
12-24-2012, 11:25
My state.





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Diesel McBadass
12-24-2012, 11:29
The Brady Bunch gave arizona a zero, so ill go with them.

chargingzebra
12-24-2012, 11:32
Montana is pretty good. Open carry allowed. Concealed carry without a permit outside city
limits. CCW allows you to carry everywhere but bars. You can use Hunter's Ed as your "firearms class." Purses and backpacks are legally considered holsters so you need no CCW permit to carry in either, anywhere.

Green Mountain Boy
12-24-2012, 11:36
Folks I can't think of a better state. I would say we and AK are tied just about. I am also in PA frequently and I have a non resident permit in that state. Easy peasy.

I knida like the pa non resident permit because there is resiprosity.

Regards, GMB

NOGIBJJ
12-24-2012, 12:17
Actually, other than no=permit carry, just about all of Kentucky law on guns and self defense is much more favorable to the shooter.

Texas, Arizona, Alaska and Vermont may be candidates, but in the big picture, Kentucky leads. There is more to life that carrying without a permit (AK,AZ and VT) or shooting fleeing thieves (TX) and those are their only stronger points.

:thumbsup:



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Resqu2
12-24-2012, 12:32
Any state that prohibits open carry can't be among the best.

Sorry FL, TX, OK, SC, AR, etc.


Virginia allows open carry in the state capital even while the legislature is in session; that sends a clear message to tyrants regarding the original intent of the 2nd amendment.

I do like VA, were not perfect but no permit for OC, permit is easy to get for CCW, carry about everywhere except the usual. LEO doesn't mind a person carrying and don't bother us. We're not number 1 but we are working on it. :supergrin:

ScumPunisher
12-24-2012, 12:38
There is no one state that has everything right.
AK has it right with no permit to carry but they have too many off limit places.

PA has some of the best carry laws because there are hardly any places off limits. Court houses and they have to supply a lock box. Schools are still gray until case law decides it is off limits. For the states that do issue permits PA's is a better one, $20 for 5 years and no training, fingerprints and only take 15 minutes in most counties. We can also carry class3 weapons with our permit.
oh, we have open carry with no permit at 18.

Agreed. I was happy to hear all of thia when I recently got my ccw permit here in PA.

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Chainlink
12-24-2012, 13:26
I know many consider Vermont to be good, and I agree in some cases. But let's get to some problems. (I carried there 18 years)

I worked at a job that many law enforcement needed to procure. I questioned well over 100 in that time ....less than TEN knew I could open carry and all but one seriously frowned upon it with extreme prejudice. Half of them didn't realize I could also carry concealed....and about half of them didn't know Vermont did not require a permit to carry concealed...for it's residents or NON residents. Lets wager a guess how is it the average citizen of Vermont to even know what or what they can't do.

Vermont does allow automatic weapons with proper paperwork...... But under no circumstance allow a legal citizen to own or obtain a suppressor/silencer. This in fact pushed heavily by the Department of and Wildlife.

Vermont in my lifetime switched from no nonsense to liberal wack jobs in power.... I honestly expect/expected for the gun laws there to become very restrictive, and with the current mood of those in power there expect them to make a push to no longer allow concealed carry. I hope I am wrong.

nursetim
12-24-2012, 14:02
Luckily, many don't even consider New Mexico a state.....maybe they'll forget us and leave us alone.

I wish we could give the land of enchantment back to Mexico. No backup concealed gun.

I'm also glad no one piped up with NC. Just because OC is legal does not make up for pistol purchase permits, no revocable trust NFA, no private sales of pistols w/o PPP or going through FFL to complete transfer.

Add OC and school carry and alcohol establishment carry to Florida and it would be the best of the states.

Kingarthurhk
12-24-2012, 14:21
Any state that prohibits open carry can't be among the best.

Sorry FL, TX, OK, SC, AR, etc.


Virginia allows open carry in the state capital even while the legislature is in session; that sends a clear message to tyrants regarding the original intent of the 2nd amendment.

I open carry when hunting, no issues.

Kozel
12-24-2012, 14:53
What state can you smoke a joint while carrying a gun with “must issue” concealed carry permit?

WA



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JLB768
12-24-2012, 14:59
But don't you have to have a permit to open carry or carry a gun in your car?

Yes, I should have been more clear, the car being an extention of your home, goes with Castle Doctrine.

RGbiker
12-24-2012, 15:57
The Brady Bunch gave arizona a zero, so ill go with them.

In Arizona, you can shop at Walmart for Guns, Ammo, Booze, Food, smokes and outdoor supplies.

Arizona deserves a -2 from the Brady Bunch weenies......:wavey:

JohnP82
12-24-2012, 16:52
But don't you have to have a permit to open carry or carry a gun in your car?

Yes, IN issues a License to Carry a Handgun (LTCH)
It does not specify open or concealed carry, but have to have one in order to carry off your property minus a few special circumstances.

kenpoprofessor
12-24-2012, 17:08
In Arizona, you can shop at Walmart for Guns, Ammo, Booze, Food, smokes and outdoor supplies.

Arizona deserves a -2 from the Brady Bunch weenies......:wavey:

Yea, but only north of Tucson :rofl:. Seriously, the County Board just banned smoking outside in all public areas, even electronic ciggies.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

HalfHazzard
12-24-2012, 17:10
What state you can smoke a joint while carrying a gun with “must issue” concealed carry permit?

WA

We're talking RESPONSIBLE use... I'm surprised a criminal actually applied for CC.

fnfalman
12-24-2012, 17:11
Not sure if you guys realized this, but New Mexico has open carry without a permit at age 19+. Not to mention your vehicle is considered an extension of your home.

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Shhhh.....

Don't say that, then they'd start to come to New Mexico. Don't need any more Californians, New Yorkers, Texicans, Yankees, Johnny Rebs, etc., coming to the Land of Enchantment.

Cambo
12-24-2012, 17:17
New Jersey has the best gun laws - permits to purchase handguns, no CCW, AWB, Smart Gun Law, ID card for long guns and ammo, storage requirements, transporting guns only to range/gunsmith, 15 rd limit on magazines. All of it makes me feel much safer and there is no gun crime here at all.:freak::puking:

Bren
12-24-2012, 17:21
Yes, IN issues a License to Carry a Handgun (LTCH)
It does not specify open or concealed carry, but have to have one in order to carry off your property minus a few special circumstances.

That's one of the differences I'm talking about - any adult can carry a gun on them or in their car, with no permit, in Kentucky, the permit is just to allow you to cover it up (except for the glove compartment, which is not considered "concealed").

I open carry when hunting, no issues.

In one of the counties where I was a police officer, one of the local "characters" in town used to open carry in the courthouse, often in the sheriff's office, every day - perfectly legal.

certifiedfunds
12-24-2012, 20:56
I open carry when hunting, no issues.

When hunting?

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

NH Trucker
12-24-2012, 22:59
NH isn't bad right now. Open carry without a permit, LTC for a loaded pistol concealed or in your vehicle, and for residents costs $10, good for NOT LESS THAN 4 years from your next birthday. Decent reciprocity too. Class III friendly.

There's also no laws against knives. You can carry a switchblade with a foot long blade if you want, conceal Crocodile Dundee's bowie, have a sword under your jacket. No permit required.

A nut job lib-tw*t was elected governor though, so no telling how things will be over the next couple years.

NOGIBJJ
12-24-2012, 23:07
That's one of the differences I'm talking about - any adult can carry a gun on them or in their car, with no permit, in Kentucky, the permit is just to allow you to cover it up (except for the glove compartment, which is not considered "concealed").



In one of the counties where I was a police officer, one of the local "characters" in town used to open carry in the courthouse, often in the sheriff's office, every day - perfectly legal.

That was changed. Now a deadly weapon can be stored in any factory made compartment such as console or door compartment... by anyone w/ or w/o a CCDW.

KY rocks.
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WarCry
12-24-2012, 23:42
KY rocks.
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There's a joke there somewhere......

jthrelf
12-25-2012, 00:01
PA because its surrounded by such unfriendly states

Kozel
12-25-2012, 07:00
We're talking RESPONSIBLE use... I'm surprised a criminal actually applied for CC.

Haven’t you heard? It is not a crime to smoke a joint in WA.

CLoft239
12-25-2012, 07:28
Any state that prohibits open carry can't be among the best.

Sorry FL, TX, OK, SC, AR, etc.


Virginia allows open carry in the state capital even while the legislature is in session; that sends a clear message to tyrants regarding the original intent of the 2nd amendment.

OK allows open carry :beer:

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FPS
12-25-2012, 07:41
Vermont has some charm regarding firearms.

Yes, except for no suppressors allowed.

MikeNH
12-25-2012, 15:19
NH isn't bad right now. Open carry without a permit, LTC for a loaded pistol concealed or in your vehicle, and for residents costs $10, good for NOT LESS THAN 4 years from your next birthday. Decent reciprocity too. Class III friendly.

There's also no laws against knives. You can carry a switchblade with a foot long blade if you want, conceal Crocodile Dundee's bowie, have a sword under your jacket. No permit required.

A nut job lib-tw*t was elected governor though, so no telling how things will be over the next couple years.

Glad I got out when I did. The libs are going to destroy my home state. Michigan is no picnic but it is tied with the most accepted carry permit at 39 states with Arkansas. Pistol registration is lame but class III is legal, except SBR I *think*. I've only just barely begun looking into suppressors so I know little about it.

RGbiker
12-25-2012, 15:40
New Jersey has the best gun laws - permits to purchase handguns, no CCW, AWB, Smart Gun Law, ID card for long guns and ammo, storage requirements, transporting guns only to range/gunsmith, 15 rd limit on magazines. All of it makes me feel much safer and there is no gun crime here at all.:freak::puking:

If we don't consider Camden, Trenton and Newark, I'll bet there's no crime in New Jersey.....:rofl: