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jutland
12-30-2012, 17:11
Union members, your on this site, so I will guess you own an
"assault rifle", Glock or some other equally vile device that has the ability to accept an ammunition feeding device that holds ten or more rounds. How strenuously do you contact the NRA F rated Senator or Representative that you voted for for economic reasons that is now supporting taking your guns?

Any conversations with your keepers, I mean Union leaders about how that politician is not looking so great now?

Kingarthurhk
12-30-2012, 17:19
Union members, your on this site, so I will guess you own an
"assault rifle", Glock or some other equally vile device that has the ability to accept an ammunition feeding device that holds ten or more rounds. How strenuously do you contact the NRA F rated Senator or Representative that you voted for for economic reasons that is now supporting taking your guns?

Any conversations with your keepers, I mean Union leaders about how that politician is not looking so great now?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqC5FnvAEc

Ironbar
12-30-2012, 17:35
That is actually a VERY good question! How DO union members reconcile supporting the very politicians who now wish to take away their firearms?

Silenced G32
12-30-2012, 17:36
The same way the Catholics and Jews do after voting for Obama

Kingarthurhk
12-30-2012, 17:37
That is actually a VERY good question! How DO union members reconcile supporting the very politicians who now wish to take away their firearms?

I refer back to my Trolololololo. How is being part of a Union determine how you vote. I don't see that as congruant. Some folks pay Union dues simply to have hedge between themselves and overbearing overreaching management. It has nothing to do with how you vote.

Restless28
12-30-2012, 17:37
As a former union member, I can only say that I imagine they have a broader view of what is important to them than what type of gun they own.

Adams454
12-30-2012, 17:45
I pay union dues only because its required for my chosen field. If I could get by without it, I would. Not every union member can be painted with such a broad brush, some of us just see it as a necessary evil that keeps crony management from ruining lives on a whim.

I vote conservative or libertarian. I actually want the company I work for to make a profit, so they can keep paying me. I don't believe in class warfare.

mrdinks
12-30-2012, 18:02
Why are you assuming all union members are Democrats? Half our membership is made up of Republicans and Conservatives. The higher ups somewhere might be but not all the workers.

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syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 18:06
I refer back to my Trolololololo. How is being part of a Union determine how you vote. I don't see that as congruant. Some folks pay Union dues simply to have hedge between themselves and overbearing overreaching management. It has nothing to do with how you vote.


It doesn't determine how you vote, just where your due are sent.

Rabbi
12-30-2012, 18:07
That is actually a VERY good question! How DO union members reconcile supporting the very politicians who now wish to take away their firearms?

You assume that all union members are pro gun. You assume that pro gun union members feel the gun issue is more important to them (or should be) than other issues.

Officer X
12-30-2012, 18:09
Lashing out blindly...you have no idea how I voted

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 18:11
Lashing out blindly...you have no idea how I voted

Not blindly. It's no secret which party your money goes. Voluntarily or not.

Fox184
12-30-2012, 18:11
Lashing out blindly...you have no idea how I voted

You are in the minority then. Look at the map for voting in the last election. Union areas in this country like Northern MN, etc. went to Obama. Pretty good sign that the majority of union members are voting democrat.

ChuteTheMall
12-30-2012, 18:18
Obama's union members won't speak up to their union bosses.

Hell, they aren't even man enough to earn an honest living without having to hire mobsters to bribe politicians.

Real men earn their own raises by merit and guts, they don't hire protection.

Obama owns them.

pizza_pablo
12-30-2012, 18:19
Come on guys, you understood what the OP was asking.
How about if the line, "to whom this applies to" was inserted? Would that get the question answered?

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 18:20
I am a conservitive yet I pay dues. I am not a fan of the current administration at all, I campaigned for the "right". I also live in a right to work state. What my dues do is assure me a "fair and safe" place to work in a very hazardous career which I do enjoy. Not all union members are far left. This thread would be like me assuming everyone on here is a far right gun totin fanatic because all everyone does is mostly talk guns. I will also say that about 98% of the so called "liberal" union brothers I work with are avid hunters, firearm enthusiasts. OH and guess what???? I am also an elected union officer.

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 18:22
Come on guys, you understood what the OP was asking.
How about if the line, "to whom this applies to" was inserted? Would that get the question answered?

No. Pro Unions folks have already shifted fire to standing up for the Union not the consequences directly attributed to the Union's actions or where they spend their money.

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 18:24
I am a conservitive yet I pay dues. I am not a fan of the current administration at all, I campaigned for the "right". I also live in a right to work state. What my dues do is assure me a "fair and safe" place to work in a very hazardous career which I do enjoy. Not all union members are far left. This thread would be like me assuming everyone on here is a far right gun totin fanatic because all everyone does is mostly talk guns. I will also say that about 98% of the so called "liberal" union brothers I work with are avid hunters, firearm enthusiasts. OH and guess what???? I am also an elected union officer.

You are financially supporting your opposition and you participate in the process willingly.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 18:25
jutland, I guess its fair to say since you assume I am a far left obama fan meerly because I belong to a union, I will assume you are a far right conservitive gun fanatic lost in time clinging to your guns because your on this site, and this is a gun talk forum. oh, and you must be a racist then too.Sound fair?? I dont think so.

coastal4974
12-30-2012, 18:25
Come on guys, you understood what the OP was asking.
How about if the line, "to whom this applies to" was inserted? Would that get the question answered?

Agree. It's turned into a union member bashing (not hard to do). The question is about will pro 2A union members create a backlash to their socialist union bosses or will they shut up and do what they are told again.

AK_Stick
12-30-2012, 18:26
Not all unions are pro Obama.


Mine is not, I'm a member, and gun owner, and union member.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 18:27
You are financially supporting your opposition and you participate in the process willingly.I refuse to have any portion of my dues to go to the pac fund. Therefore my dues stay "local"

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 18:28
Not all unions are pro Obama.


Mine is not, I'm a member, and gun owner, and union member.


Which ones in general did not contribute to the Obama campaign or indirectly fund it?

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 18:28
I refuse to have any portion of my dues to go to the pac fund. Therefore my dues stay "local"


Go that in writing did ya?

G17Jake
12-30-2012, 18:29
As a former union member, I can only say that I imagine they have a broader view of what is important to them than what type of gun they own.

What is important to them that would cause them to vote for Obama?

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 18:30
What is important to them that would cause them to vote for Obama?

Money.

ChuteTheMall
12-30-2012, 18:31
The question is about will pro 2A union members create a backlash to their socialist union bosses or will they shut up and do what they are told again.

Union members are more afraid to speak up to their union bosses then they are to speak up for themselves to corporate management.

This fearful nature makes them so easy to herd. :holysheep:

AK_Stick
12-30-2012, 18:31
Which ones in general did not contribute to the Obama campaign or indirectly fund it?



I don't know what other Unions did or did not.

Mine did not. Per both our state VP and P but the union P.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 18:32
Go that in writing did ya?Yup, actually it is a law from the bush administration. It is a seperate form that must be filled out. Anything else you need to know? oh yeah, as a union officer I know where all the funds go by the way.

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 18:34
I don't know what other Unions did or did not.

Mine did not. Per both our state VP and P but the union P.

That's very unusual. Glad to hear it.

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 18:34
Yup, actually it is a law from the bush administration. It is a seperate form that must be filled out. Anything else you need to know?

No, I'm pretty sure I've got all the information I need.

What No Gravy
12-30-2012, 18:37
jutland, I guess its fair to say since you assume I am a far left obama fan meerly because I belong to a union, I will assume you are a far right conservitive gun fanatic lost in time clinging to your guns because your on this site, and this is a gun talk forum. oh, and you must be a racist then too.Sound fair?? I dont think so.

If he paid dues to the clan you might be right.

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 18:38
If he paid dues to the clan you might be right.

No no, he signed a paper that says his money won't support the KKK despite the fact that he volunteers for the Aryan Brotherhood.

Restless28
12-30-2012, 18:40
Is anyone else tired of the attacks on each other, especially those who have been here awhile? The vitriol towards each other is pointless.

I am not innocent either.

End this.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 18:41
We are not like the "uaw". Now you go to the north, well its different, as is the gun laws. I left the northeast for a reason. I must also say that the current administration is not friendly towards the industry I work in either.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 18:42
is anyone else tired of the attacks on each other, especially those who have been here awhile? The vitriol towards each other is pointless.

I am not innocent either.

End this.agree!!

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 18:43
Is anyone else tired of the attacks on each other, especially those who have been here awhile. The vitriol towards each other is pointless.

I am not innocent either.

End this.

If I were to attempt to end anything it would be the hypocrisy. Until then I will be content to point it out.

janice6
12-30-2012, 18:43
the Unions are more important than any lost freedoms or lost constitutional law. The ability to muscle the public into anything the present government wants has been given total and absolute Union approval. the members will not deviate from the Union line.

The loss of the 2nd Amendment right is forgivable if it means the Unions survive.

NEOH212
12-30-2012, 18:48
So many unions will argue for their right to collectively bargain which means nothing under a tyranny. Usually the form of government that most of the politicians they vote for are promoting.

Even if you belong to a union but are (supposedly) conservative, in my view your still supporting the enemy. I know some of you won't agree with me but that's ok.


You'll reap what you sow.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 18:49
No no, he signed a paper that says his money won't support the KKK despite the fact that he volunteers for the Aryan Brotherhood. Yup, damn your too smart, got me!!!! Thats ok though, cause I still make over 100k a year, got a great retirement and health benifits package. And plenty of overtime to buy all the glocks and ammo I could want without even being worried about cost:cool:

Restless28
12-30-2012, 18:51
If I were to attempt to end anything it would be the hypocrisy. Until then I will be content to point it out.

Don't be a hater. All that hate's gonna burn you up kid.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 18:51
If I were to attempt to end anything it would be the hypocrisy. Until then I will be content to point it out.so, should I just quit my job, go on welfare like the rest???? Live off the obama money?

The Fed
12-30-2012, 18:52
the unions are more important than any lost freedoms or lost constitutional law. The ability to muscle the public into anything the present government wants has been given total and absolute union approval. The members will not deviate from the union line.

The loss of the 2nd amendment right is forgivable if it means the unions survive.

what??!!

ysr_racer
12-30-2012, 18:53
These three kids are sitting around talking, and the first kid says, "My dad is so fast, he can shoot an arrow down range and run down there to see where it lands".

The second little kid says, "That's nothing, my dad is so fast that when he goes to sleep at night and turns off the lights, he can be in bed before the room gets dark".

The third little kid says, "I got all you guys beat. My dad is in the Teamsters. He's so fast that when he gets off of work at 4:30, he's home by 2:15".


Brought to you by the non union workers of America. Unlike union members, I work for a living.

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 18:53
Yup, damn your too smart, got me!!!! Thats ok though, cause I still make over 100k a year, got a great retirement and health benifits package. And plenty of overtime to buy all the glocks and ammo I could want without even being worried about cost:cool:


And you'll do it knowing that collective bargaining and not your skill or effort had much to do with it all the while supporting the very organization that mandated your marginalization. A smiling hypocrite is still a hypocrite.

Restless28
12-30-2012, 18:54
No offense, but some of you guys must be miserable SOBs.

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 18:54
Don't be a hater. All that hate's gonna burn you up kid.

Keeps me warm.

G17Jake
12-30-2012, 18:56
Money.

Other people's?

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 18:57
And you'll do it knowing that collective bargaining and not your skill or effort had much to do with it all the while supporting the very organization that mandated your marginalization. A smiling hypocrite is still a hypocrite.Remember that next time a hurricane comes through and you have no power for days. You will think otherwise then, and will thank one of us when its restored.

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 18:58
Remember that next time a hurricane comes through and you have no power for days. You will think otherwise then, and will thank one of us when its restored.

No I won't. The two are unrelated and I don't depend on the Government or Unions for my subsistence. That's your gig.

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 18:59
Other people's?

...mostly.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 19:01
No I won't. The two are unrelated and I don't depend on the Government or Unions for my subsistence. That's your gig.haha, that wasnt the case a few years ago,,, you in central fl sure begged us to hurry up, even brought us lots of food and water:cool: even clapped when we entered your neighborhood, and said thank you:whistling:

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 19:07
haha, that wasnt the case a few years ago,,, you in central fl sure begged us to hurry up, even brought us lots of food and water:cool: even clapped when we entered your neighborhood, and said thank you:whistling:

Once again not related. As stated, I don't depend on the grid or the government that you so proudly insist upon. I'm not Central Florida, I'm SE6. Best bet is to try to maintain relevancy. Grin an giggle all you like, fact of the matter is you are trying to take the high road by claiming your dues don't go to the left while working for them for free.

You are conflict incarnate and to defend it you bring up a strawman argument.

rgregoryb
12-30-2012, 19:07
haha, that wasnt the case a few years ago,,, you in central fl sure begged us to hurry up, even brought us lots of food and water:cool: even clapped when we entered your neighborhood, and said thank you:whistling:

unlike the reception the Southern Power Company and non union utility workers received in the NE?

NickC50310
12-30-2012, 19:07
I work in an industry heavily saturated by unions and union goons. I received a letter pressuring me to join. I used it as toilet paper. **** them!

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dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 19:08
Lastly I will say, arguing with you is no different than doing it with a far left liberal, you even brought the kkk comment into it, that my friend is classic liberal rebuttel.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 19:10
unlike the reception the Southern Power Company and non union utility workers received in the NE?yup,, you got it. totally unlike it. We recieved nothing but thank you's, not only from the citizens but also the towns and mayor's. SO, yes to your question. Oh, southern company is union by the way.

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 19:11
Lastly I will say, arguing with you is no different than doing it with a far left liberal, you even brought the kkk comment into it, that my friend is classic liberal rebuttel.


You never argued. You brought nonsensical rhetoric. The KKK bit was in reference to your analogy. Clearly you are not very good at this.

What No Gravy
12-30-2012, 19:12
Lastly I will say, arguing with you is no different than doing it with a far left liberal, you even brought the kkk comment into it, that my friend is classic liberal rebuttel.

No I brought the klan comment into it. I figured its funny how someone is paying dues to a union and saying they do not support the left sounded like someone paying klan membership dues and saying they are not racist.

ChuteTheMall
12-30-2012, 19:15
I work in an industry heavily saturated by unions and union goons. I received a letter pressuring me to join. I used it as toilet paper. **** them!



I wouldn't pollute my butt with it.:toilet:

Restless28
12-30-2012, 19:16
Welcome to the 2012 Hater's Ball.

Rabbi
12-30-2012, 19:17
Remember that next time a hurricane comes through and you have no power for days. You will think otherwise then, and will thank one of us when its restored.

You dont have to be in a union to do that. You just happen to be. Your statement is non sequitur.

What No Gravy
12-30-2012, 19:18
Welcome to the 2012 Hater's Ball.

Maybe you would rather us sit together and do this?

Kumbaya My Lord - YouTube

stevelyn
12-30-2012, 19:18
I refer back to my Trolololololo. How is being part of a Union determine how you vote. I don't see that as congruant. Some folks pay Union dues simply to have hedge between themselves and overbearing overreaching management. It has nothing to do with how you vote.

Horse****! I've heard plenty of mindless unionbots say that it's their duty to vote for the democraps because the idea is pushed by their users.....er management without ever considering anything else in their decision.

They are nothing more than traitorous whores........cheap ones at that.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 19:19
No I brought the klan comment into it. I figured its funny how someone is paying dues to a union and saying they do not support the left sounded like someone paying klan membership dues and saying they are not racist.How is that? oh, its your perception, assuming. You are just saying the samething as our politicians, "all guns are evil" even in good hands. Whats the difference? Different scenario yes, but same principal. You assume all unions are evil and wrong sided,,, no different than bloomburg saying all guns and owners are evil minded lets ban guns'

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 19:19
Welcome to the 2012 Hater's Ball.

What else would you expect from folks that primarily vote for independence and liberty when discussing earned wages based on ability and demand?

Restless28
12-30-2012, 19:20
Maybe you would rather us sit together and do this?

Kumbaya My Lord - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9AH4vG2wA)

Pointless.

vikingsoftpaw
12-30-2012, 19:20
The statistic that I seen quoted after the 1994 AWB debacle was that 25% of Trade Unionists abandoned the Democratic candidates that election cycle.

1 in 4 is a significant number, IMHO.

G17Jake
12-30-2012, 19:20
Welcome to the 2012 Hater's Ball.

When we see unions and the Communist party USA marching together, it is hard to ignore.

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 19:21
How is that? oh, its your perception, assuming. You are just saying the samething as our politicians, "all guns are evil" even in good hands. Whats the difference? Different scenario yes, but same principal. You assume all unions are evil and wrong sided,,, no different than bloomburg saying all guns and owners are evil minded lets ban guns'

analogy  
aˇnalˇoˇgy [uh-nal-uh-jee] Show IPA
noun, plural aˇnalˇoˇgies.
1.
a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.

You brought it up and unlike your posts.... relevant.

Restless28
12-30-2012, 19:22
What else would you expect from folks that primarily vote for independence and liberty when discussing earned wages based on ability and demand?

It's GNG. I expect nothing more than hate when these discussions begin.

Some here sound as radical as the left that they despise.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 19:22
Horse****! I've heard plenty of mindless unionbots say that it's their duty to vote for the democraps because the idea is pushed by their users.....er management without ever considering anything else in their decision.

They are nothing more than traitorous whores........cheap ones at that.And fienstien,bloomburg,and emmanuael say the samething about gun owners. And you dont like it,

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 19:24
It's GNG. I expect nothing more than hate when these discussions begin.

Some here sound as radical as the left that they despise.

Agreed. The hate is equal.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 19:24
analogy  
aˇnalˇoˇgy [uh-nal-uh-jee] Show IPA
noun, plural aˇnalˇoˇgies.
1.
a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.

You brought it up and unlike your posts.... relevant.Classic liberal talk, really.

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 19:25
And fienstien,bloomburg,and emmanuael say the samething about gun owners. And you dont like it,


Right. So don't support Unions that lobby for those folks and their agendas.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 19:25
Agreed. The hate is equal.alright,,, see we agree on something:wavey: In all this bs, I dont support any politician, period. certainly not the current ones. I continue to work my arse off to provide for my family. I didnt vote for the sob the first go around let alone this time. I live in the south for a reason. I grew up in the Communist state of Jersey and saw alot of "union" goons there. One of the few reasons I left to begin with. There are big "unions" then there are just unions.

What No Gravy
12-30-2012, 19:25
How is that? oh, its your perception, assuming. You are just saying the samething as our politicians, "all guns are evil" even in good hands. Whats the difference? Different scenario yes, but same principal. You assume all unions are evil and wrong sided,,, no different than bloomburg saying all guns and owners are evil minded lets ban guns'

If your dues (support) are going to a union that uses those funds to support politicians who want to steal more of my labor and strip more of my rights then you are part of the problem. Just like if the klan told be they would help prevent someone of color from taking my job I would just have to join them. How could I not say I would be supporting racists? If your dues are going to people who support stealing more of our hard earned labor and rights how can you not say your supporting it?

What No Gravy
12-30-2012, 19:27
It's GNG. I expect nothing more than hate when these discussions begin.

Some here sound as radical as the left that they despise.

I am radical to those who support stealing my labor, taking my rights and making me a slave.

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 19:28
alright,,, see we agree on something:wavey:


We do :supergrin:

Restless28
12-30-2012, 19:29
I am radical to those who support stealing my labor, taking my rights and making me a slave.

Oh, the drama.:faint:

What No Gravy
12-30-2012, 19:30
Oh, the drama.:faint:

I wouldn't expect you to understand. :tongueout:

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 19:30
If your dues (support) are going to a union that uses those funds to support politicians who want to steal more of my labor and strip more of my rights then you are part of the problem. Just like if the klan told be they would help prevent someone of color from taking my job I would just have to join them. How could I not say I would be supporting racists? If your dues are going to people who support stealing more of our hard earned labor and rights how can you not say your supporting it?

The disconnect is stifled by ~100k a year, benefits and retirement.

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 19:31
Oh, the drama.:faint:

Steeped in reality..:wow:

bocephus549
12-30-2012, 19:35
Union members = Sheep!

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 19:39
Right. So don't support Unions that lobby for those folks and their agendas.dude, there are several different unions. The teachers, uaw,teamsters, and whatever else. When you look at the those " hardcore" unions they are goons. You go to the northeast and its bad, really bad. We, support no party period. Your "big" unions yes. Like I said before its one reason I left the northeast to begin with.

ChuteTheMall
12-30-2012, 19:47
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Must be a Teachers' Union.
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They would starve without union protection.
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When CTU's Karen Lewis threatens to eat the rich, people listen.

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 19:49
dude, there are several different unions. The teachers, uaw,teamsters, and whatever else. When you look at the those " hardcore" unions they are goons. You go to the northeast and its bad, really bad. We, support no party period. Your "big" unions yes. Like I said before its one reason I left the northeast to begin with.

They all have one thing in common. They base their pay rate on collective bargaining. A collective effort. A bias towards individual effort and achievement. They do what's best for the Union first and the members second. If you are good and competitive you don't need a Union to set your pay. The majority of the country and labor in general knows this. Those benefiting from Unions will never give up the pay for market based labor rates.

The political gain is quite tertiary in my my mind.

You lose because you can't earn what you are worth over the majority skill class of employees.

The consumer pays for the artificially inflated cost of Union produced goods

Finally the lobbyist gets to promote their agenda off your sweat.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 19:51
unions,,, Haha. I'm not affiliated with none. just wanted to bring some good argument. sheesh, you guys believe everything on the net don't you? lesson for tonight? don't believe everything on the net? And I was called a sheeple, talk about hypocritical! Happy New Year to all.

HexHead
12-30-2012, 19:51
Pretty telling that not a single union member here answered a very straightforward question.

coastal4974
12-30-2012, 19:53
dude, there are several different unions. The teachers, uaw,teamsters, and whatever else. When you look at the those " hardcore" unions they are goons. You go to the northeast and its bad, really bad. We, support no party period. Your "big" unions yes. Like I said before its one reason I left the northeast to begin with.

So what you're saying is that your union only exists to force employers to compensate employees more than they are worth. The only other reason for a union to exist is to support the socialist party with membership dues.

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 19:54
unions,,, Haha. I'm not affiliated with none. just wanted to bring some good argument. sheesh, you guys believe everything on the net don't you? lesson for tonight? don't believe everything on the net? And I was called a sheeple, talk about hypocritical! Happy New Year to all.

Oh well played...:yawn:...no really.

What No Gravy
12-30-2012, 19:59
Pretty telling that not a single union member here answered a very straightforward question.
Their on break....

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 20:00
I am forced to pay enough of my wages to taxes, let alone another 7-15 % to dues.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 20:02
Their on break....and watchin sunday night nfl,, the next chevy you buy that is in for warranty work within the first 10k miles you now know why.

syntaxerrorsix
12-30-2012, 20:02
I am forced to pay enough of my wages to taxes, let alone another % to dues.

You should fight Union shops and dues. You are a better employee than most of them. You're worth more.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 20:04
Oh well played...:yawn:...no really.Well, a few things I said were true. A conservitive I am, and I did leave dirty Jersey for a reason.:cool:

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 20:06
I am more worried about fighting to keep what rights we have left up to now.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 20:08
So what you're saying is that your union only exists to force employers to compensate employees more than they are worth. The only other reason for a union to exist is to support the socialist party with membership dues.You sir, obviously jumped right in before reading the posts,,, please refer to post #88

coastal4974
12-30-2012, 20:23
You sir, obviously jumped right in before reading the posts,,, please refer to post #88

So then who is the "we" you spoke of in post #85?

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 20:25
whoever cared to jump in. and be a true sheeple.:rofl:

AK_Stick
12-30-2012, 20:32
So what you're saying is that your union only exists to force employers to compensate employees more than they are worth. The only other reason for a union to exist is to support the socialist party with membership dues.

What happened to keeping the employer in check?

Wasn't that the original goal?

Kingarthurhk
12-30-2012, 20:33
It doesn't determine how you vote, just where your due are sent.

To the local. But, ours isn't all the special compared to the ones ran for state and local governments. There is no wage or benefit negotiation. It is merely there to keep maganement from over reaching, abusing its aruthority, or for representation for disciplinary actions. Nothing more, nothing less.

I have worked without the net. Those who have the propensity and desire to be evil for the sake of being evil run with it with full glee.

That is the only reason I belong to one, to keep abuse down to a minimum. I have seen some crap in my time, nothing I care to discuss, but Unions can be a good thing, and they can be a bad thing.

It by no means represents the politics or voting of the dues paying members.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 20:39
To the local. But, ours isn't all the special compared to the ones ran for state and local governments. There is no wage or benefit negotiation. It is merely there to keep maganement from over reaching, abusing its aruthority, or for representation for disciplinary actions. Nothing more, nothing less.

I have worked without the net. Those who have the propensity and desire to be evil for the sake of being evil run with it with full glee.

That is the only reason I belong to one, to keep abuse down to a minimum. I have seen some crap in my time, nothing I care to discuss, but Unions can be a good thing, and they can be a bad thing.

It by no means represents the politics or voting of the dues paying members.Read the previous posts, it has to be representitive, got to be. The others spoke on this already. Your a hypocritical sheeple and thats that,,, Way too many are closed minded my friend, what the news or net told them well,,,,, its stone cold truth. So you must be one of those thugs huh????? NOT,,, I understand your point.

Roger1079
12-30-2012, 20:44
Real men earn their own raises by merit and guts, they don't hire protection.
Agreed. I held one union job and it was the last one I will ever hold. Unions are cancer. They had a purpose many years ago, but that purpose is now long gone.

Just ask Hostess, GM, and Daimler Chrysler just how awesome unions are. Hostess closed it's doors and the other two needed billions from the government to stay solvent. Unions definitely served them well. :whistling:

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 20:50
mabye thats why my chevy crapped out the first 3 months. Probably got stoned at the bar on lunch. :rofl:

Roger1079
12-30-2012, 20:55
mabye thats why my chevy crapped out the first 3 months. Probably got stoned at the bar on lunch. :rofl:Then got a raise for a job mediocrely done rather than a drug test and termination because the UAW said that the drug test would violate the employee's rights.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 21:00
yup,, What would happen to the avg. joe that got caught red handed smokin dope and drinking beer at the bar during lunch? Funny thing is between them being fired then rehired, they got all that backpay. They must have been behind schedule big time on the obama car production.

Roger1079
12-30-2012, 21:04
yup,, What would happen to the avg. joe that got caught red handed smokin dope and drinking beer at the bar during lunch? Exactly what should happen.....termination of employment. Not in the union controlled industries though. They just get a pat on the back and a handshake when they do something that deserves dismissal.

certifiedfunds
12-30-2012, 21:05
Yup, damn your too smart, got me!!!! Thats ok though, cause I still make over 100k a year, got a great retirement and health benifits package. And plenty of overtime to buy all the glocks and ammo I could want without even being worried about cost:cool:

I must assume that your skills aren't worth that on the open market, otherwise what would be the point of the union?

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 21:28
I must assume that your skills aren't worth that on the open market, otherwise what would be the point of the union?
I must assume you didnt read all the posts. Refer to #88. My skills are fine, I still make 6 figures :cool:

Goobalicious2k
12-30-2012, 21:31
mabye thats why my chevy crapped out the first 3 months. Probably got stoned at the bar on lunch. :rofl:

:upeyes:

Believe me, coming from a UAW shop (I am FAR right, BTW, along with 95% of our members)... it's not the worker. The worker just does what they are told to do by management and engineering. If anyone here is familiar with ISO working standard will note that everything has to be done to what an operations sheet (Op Sheet or Op Book for those of us who are in the 'Biz) that is written out by Engineering. Furthermore, Engineering (Be it QE, ME, IE, or we have Liaison Engineering that communicates with the Army, Marines, ect. on the vehicles we're delivering) is responsible for QA testing procedures, verification procedures, action plan when malfunctions are found, ect. I'm sorry to hear that your union made pickup took a dive, but when it comes down to it, it's not 100% on the person who screws the part on. Especially when they're doing everything by the book, but the crackerjack pencil pusher with no real world experience or practical engineering experience is the one telling the experienced worker how to do his job.

FYI, I didn't vote for Barry either time, and lost my job in the defense industry 3 days after he got reelected.

certifiedfunds
12-30-2012, 21:32
I must assume you didnt read all the posts. Refer to #88. My skills are fine, I still make 6 figures :cool:

This one?

unions,,, Haha. I'm not affiliated with none. just wanted to bring some good argument. sheesh, you guys believe everything on the net don't you? lesson for tonight? don't believe everything on the net? And I was called a sheeple, talk about hypocritical! Happy New Year to all.

Earning 6 figures really isn't anything to brag about today, BTW.:yawn:

G29Reload
12-30-2012, 21:34
That is actually a VERY good question! How DO union members reconcile supporting the very politicians who now wish to take away their firearms?

Strange dichotomy indeed.

Some gun manufacturers use UAW workers since guns require metalwork and machining.

Similarly coal miners are heavily unionized and Zero is constantly trying to kill the coal industry.

Stupid must really hurt. And it should.

dvrdwn72
12-30-2012, 21:45
This one?



Earning 6 figures really isn't anything to brag about today, BTW.:yawn:
I dont give a s*&#, im happy and content. Got what I need. Toying with you on a internet forum is just a bonus.

Michael Rye
12-30-2012, 21:47
Not all pigs are in unions...but all union members are pigs!

certifiedfunds
12-30-2012, 21:48
I dont give a s*&#, im happy and content. Got what I need.

Well you sure seem to want to tell people you make 6 figures whether unionized or not. It would seem you think that's impressive or something.

It isn't.

ChuteTheMall
12-30-2012, 21:55
Some gun manufacturers use UAW workers since guns require metalwork and machining.



Which ones? I'll happily boycott them.

wprebeck
12-30-2012, 22:02
I'm a very active member of the Fraternal Order of Police. There was no endorsement for either candidate this election, and we endorsed McCain the last time.

But, if it'll make you feel better about painting with a broad brush - I can switch from being a pro gun officer to one who actively campaigns against civilian ownership of any gun, and that only cops need guns, etc

Would that help with your retarded bias?

CAcop
12-30-2012, 22:06
To answer the OP my union, technically an association, keeps it's money locally. Even the politicians we endorsed for city cousnel we did not give money to. The most we gave them was permission to use our name. It actually helps us out come silly season because that way we don't have people asking us on duty who we should vote for. This way we can refer them to the individual candidates and their endorsements. We batted about .750 this last time around. Our also got the highest votes. We tend to endorse the ones who aren't going to enable voluntary homeless people. They tend to be business owners for the most part since we are very much pro-business as an organization. We saw before the city did that a strong and diverse tax base is good for the city. There are only so many hemp clothing stores a town can support.

The only money that leaves our hands besides the Christmas party, we pay for our own, are fund for charities and various sports teams around the city.

Our LDF gets a chunk of our money but that pays for legal representation during IAs, officer involved shootings, and some lobbying. The lobbying group spends most of it's money and time on bills in the state house with some going to Congress. A lot of the LDF's main concerns are the personnel and OIS laws and regs in the state when it comes to police officers. Also sentencing laws are big. I don't think they actually enorsed a candidate. Which shows you how much I pay attention to what other people think about politics.

I am not one to care what other people think I should do. If I did I would ask.

CAcop
12-30-2012, 22:08
This one?



Earning 6 figures really isn't anything to brag about today, BTW.:yawn:

You brag all the time about how much you make. Are you telling us you make 7 figures? Or more?

And aren't you defeating yourself by saying that?

stevelyn
12-30-2012, 22:32
And fienstien,bloomburg,and emmanuael say the samething about gun owners. And you dont like it,

I have the BoR backing me up. They're in violation of their oaths to it.

certifiedfunds
12-30-2012, 22:37
You brag all the time about how much you make. Are you telling us you make 7 figures? Or more?

And aren't you defeating yourself by saying that?

The only thing I've ever done is ***** about the taxes I pay.


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9jeeps
12-30-2012, 22:38
I am a conservitive yet I pay dues. I am not a fan of the current administration at all, I campaigned for the "right". I also live in a right to work state. What my dues do is assure me a "fair and safe" place to work in a very hazardous career which I do enjoy. Not all union members are far left. This thread would be like me assuming everyone on here is a far right gun totin fanatic because all everyone does is mostly talk guns. I will also say that about 98% of the so called "liberal" union brothers I work with are avid hunters, firearm enthusiasts. OH and guess what???? I am also an elected union officer.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Whom are you serving? You or your Union? Wow!!!!!!:upeyes:

CAcop
12-30-2012, 22:49
The only thing I've ever done is ***** about the taxes I pay.


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And commenting on what you could buy with it. I seem to recall something about "three Suburbans."

With a basic knowledge of the tax code and the base price of a Suburban one could easily estimate the income it would take to generate that.

Yeah, no bragging there.

certifiedfunds
12-30-2012, 22:54
And commenting on what you could buy with it. I seem to recall something about "three Suburbans."

With a basic knowledge of the tax code and the base price of a Suburban one could easily estimate the income it would take to generate that.

Yeah, no bragging there.

Only three? Power windows, entertainment and nav?


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CAcop
12-30-2012, 23:05
Only three? Power windows, entertainment and nav?


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Considering one Suburban is rougly the median income for the US and you tell people you pay 3 times that in taxes. Yes, I would consider that bragging. Some would even call that boorish.

Likely you do it here on the internet because you can't do it in real life without losing friends. Or have you done that?

wprebeck
12-30-2012, 23:17
He also bragged about retiring once, and being a stay-at-home dad. Guess that didn't satisfy his ego.

In addition, he also confuses "need" with ability to afford an item. This was done more than once in the numerous threads about price gouging for guns and ammo. Apparently, if you can't afford it, you don't need it. One does hope that his words may come back and bite him in the ass. After all, most people can't afford cancer treatments without insurance, and sometimes barely then. According to the "greed is good" mantra espoused by him, someone with cancer who can't afford chemotherapy doesn't need it.

I'm on my phone at the moment, CF, so don't ask for quotes to back my comments up. They're there, unless you pull a Tantrix and delete them.

kazecap0ne
12-30-2012, 23:59
I pay union dues only because its required for my chosen field. If I could get by without it, I would. Not every union member can be painted with such a broad brush, some of us just see it as a necessary evil that keeps crony management from ruining lives on a whim.

I vote conservative or libertarian. I actually want the company I work for to make a profit, so they can keep paying me. I don't believe in class warfare.

:agree: OP is a troll baiting for arguments... I pay union dues because its a requirment of my job( 90 days after hire date you have to be a dues paying member). I get the little fliers telling me who i should vote for...they make good fire kindling.

kazecap0ne
12-31-2012, 00:05
Not all pigs are in unions...but all union members are pigs!


:aodnsb: someone is a pig because thier line or work requires union membership...I hope all your comments are not this asinine.

N4LP
12-31-2012, 00:21
If your dues (support) are going to a union that uses those funds to support politicians who want to steal more of my labor and strip more of my rights then you are part of the problem. Just like if the klan told be they would help prevent someone of color from taking my job I would just have to join them. How could I not say I would be supporting racists? If your dues are going to people who support stealing more of our hard earned labor and rights how can you not say your supporting it?

By that line of reasoning, if you use Microsoft or Google products you're supporting "politicians who want to steal more of [your] labor and strip more of [your] rights".

Top Contributors to Barack Obama 2012 Campaign (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contriball.php)

2. Microsoft Corp $815,435
3. Google Inc $805,119

Bill Keith
12-31-2012, 04:11
OP's reasoning is bizarre. Unions do not cause mindless violence. Get awy from the cool-aide, dude.:wedgie:

Kingarthurhk
12-31-2012, 04:22
Read the previous posts, it has to be representitive, got to be. The others spoke on this already. Your a hypocritical sheeple and thats that,,, Way too many are closed minded my friend, what the news or net told them well,,,,, its stone cold truth. So you must be one of those thugs huh????? NOT,,, I understand your point.

LOL. Whatever. Am I am sheeple for carrying professional liability insurance too?:upeyes:

Bren
12-31-2012, 05:32
As a former union member, I can only say that I imagine they have a broader view of what is important to them than what type of gun they own.

You cleaarly do. I don't find it at all difficult to believe you'd belong to a union.

Restless28
12-31-2012, 06:06
You cleaarly do. I don't find it at all difficult to believe you'd belong to a union.

Misery is a *****, isn't it?

What No Gravy
12-31-2012, 10:32
Misery is a *****, isn't it?

And Ignorance is Bliss right?

hotpig
12-31-2012, 11:36
The same way the Catholics and Jews do after voting for Obama

That is true except being a Conservative Democrat I vote Republican more often than not like it really matters. They are all the same. They come first.

Roger1079
12-31-2012, 11:46
Earning 6 figures really isn't anything to brag about today, BTW.:yawn:6 figures is more than the vast majority of the people in the country make. Most arent even close to that. Not everyone can brag about how successful they are on the internet like you can.

Enjoy the government taking enough from you in taxes to pay for 3 loaded suburbans every year. I know the thought of it sure makes me smile.

:wavey:

Adams454
12-31-2012, 11:51
For you hard-line anti-union guys, I'm curious how many union made items you use every day. Like the electricity in your house for instance.

The reason I ask is, you say I'm supporting the left with my union dues, I say you're doing it with your purchases. Regardless of what stream you choose to use, your money is going to union workers somewhere. It's a fact of life these days.

You're more than welcome to spend your time on the Internet telling me how stupid and evil I am for working in a union shop but being a conservative. I can't stop that. But I can point out that your money and labor goes to the same unions and is given to the same politicians. You're only one more step removed from the evil left than I am. So keep spouting your bs, I can clearly see the hypocrisy.

Some of you have no idea the level of seclusion it would take to achieve the moral high ground you think you stand on.

countrygun
12-31-2012, 12:05
For you hard-line anti-union guys, I'm curious how many union made items you use every day. Like the electricity in your house for instance.

The reason I ask is, you say I'm supporting the left with my union dues, I say you're doing it with your purchases. Regardless of what stream you choose to use, your money is going to union workers somewhere. It's a fact of life these days.

You're more than welcome to spend your time on the Internet telling me how stupid and evil I am for working in a union shop but being a conservative. I can't stop that. But I can point out that your money and labor goes to the same unions and is given to the same politicians. You're only one more step removed from the evil left than I am. So keep spouting your bs, I can clearly see the hypocrisy.

Some of you have no idea the level of seclusion it would take to achieve the moral high ground you think you stand on.


BFD Jobs exist without unions.


Typical, take credit for inventing electricity and the telephone/power pole, and the lightswitch.

Unions did not invent any of those things and they were installed in plenty of places around this Country without unions.

Restless28
12-31-2012, 12:05
For you hard-line anti-union guys, I'm curious how many union made items you use every day. Like the electricity in your house for instance.

The reason I ask is, you say I'm supporting the left with my union dues, I say you're doing it with your purchases. Regardless of what stream you choose to use, your money is going to union workers somewhere. It's a fact of life these days.

You're more than welcome to spend your time on the Internet telling me how stupid and evil I am for working in a union shop but being a conservative. I can't stop that. But I can point out that your money and labor goes to the same unions and is given to the same politicians. You're only one more step removed from the evil left than I am. So keep spouting your bs, I can clearly see the hypocrisy.

Some of you have no idea the level of seclusion it would take to achieve the moral high ground you think you stand on.

Bravo, sir. Stomp on the stupid!

redbaron007
12-31-2012, 12:12
:popcorn:

IBTL

:wavey:

red

What No Gravy
12-31-2012, 12:20
Bravo, sir. Stomp on the stupid!

Yes Comrade lets crush them.

Workers of the world unite.

soviet national anthem - YouTube

Michael Rye
12-31-2012, 12:26
:aodnsb: someone is a pig because thier line or work requires union membership...I hope all your comments are not this asinine.
Embrace your inner pig, my porcine friend...

Did you not know union membership was a requirement before you went to work there? If you did know ahead of time, then clearly you made the choice.

Or was a union voted in after you started?

Your argument that you are somehow coerced into union membership is a hallmark of organized labor apologists.

Nobody forces you to take a particular job. It is your choice where you work or what line of work you choose to go into.

I would never join a union because I refuse to support the DNC in any capacity. And that is my choice.

rgregoryb
12-31-2012, 12:29
when possible, I always try to purchase non union products.....sometime there is no option

certifiedfunds
12-31-2012, 12:38
He also bragged about retiring once, and being a stay-at-home dad. Guess that didn't satisfy his ego.

In addition, he also confuses "need" with ability to afford an item. This was done more than once in the numerous threads about price gouging for guns and ammo. Apparently, if you can't afford it, you don't need it. One does hope that his words may come back and bite him in the ass. After all, most people can't afford cancer treatments without insurance, and sometimes barely then. According to the "greed is good" mantra espoused by him, someone with cancer who can't afford chemotherapy doesn't need it.

I'm on my phone at the moment, CF, so don't ask for quotes to back my comments up. They're there, unless you pull a Tantrix and delete them.

Ahhh, butthurt sniping from 2 folks who don't even pay net taxes! I love it!

Even brings up the price gouging threads to highlight his own economic ignorance for all to see! Rock on wprebeck!


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certifiedfunds
12-31-2012, 12:43
Considering one Suburban is rougly the median income for the US and you tell people you pay 3 times that in taxes. Yes, I would consider that bragging. Some would even call that boorish.

Likely you do it here on the internet because you can't do it in real life without losing friends. Or have you done that?

I don't recall those threads but pull them up so we can see what the topic of discussion was. It's entirely possible. The number of suburbans doesn't sound current. Tax liability is going up every year.

In real life I hang around folks with similar or larger tax liability. Believe it or not tax avoidance is even a frequent topic of discussion at the deer camp sitting around the fire.




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ChuteTheMall
12-31-2012, 12:44
For you hard-line anti-union guys, I'm curious how many union made items you use every day. Like the electricity in your house for instance.

.

My electric company employed 3000 union thugs and 13000 non-union employees, last I checked when they went on strike ten years ago. My lights never even flickered.

I don't consider my electricity to be union made any more than you might consider Obamacare and Obama Gun Ban to be union made.

:upeyes:

But I'll continue to boycott every union that I possibly can.
:nutcheck:

Adams454
12-31-2012, 12:45
BFD Jobs exist without unions.


Typical, take credit for inventing electricity and the telephone/power pole, and the lightswitch.

Unions did not invent any of those things and they were installed in plenty of places around this Country without unions.

I never said the union built or invented anything. Your idea of changing what I said to fit into a window you can break is failed from the start.

Let me try again. The union members do the work you pay them to do. Then the money gets funneled to the politicians. Your money go's to politicians. If you don't want that to happen, don't participate.

countrygun
12-31-2012, 12:50
I never said the union built or invented anything. Your idea of changing what I said to fit into a window you can break is failed from the start.

Let me try again. The union members do the work you pay them to do. Then the money gets funneled to the politicians. Your money go's to politicians. If you don't want that to happen, don't participate.

In short cupcake, our utility workers are non-union, granted we have a community owned co-op but none the less. And after examining my Xmas present the wife and I have decided to outsource my wardrobe to Duluth Trading company so s little as possible is spent supporting American, bloodsucking unions.

Boot Stomper
12-31-2012, 13:01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqC5FnvAEc


I do not remember this scene form the movie.. Was it cut from movie? I realize this you tube video has been edited, but in the movie they never killed Solomon.

devildog2067
12-31-2012, 13:13
According to the "greed is good" mantra espoused by him, someone with cancer who can't afford chemotherapy doesn't need it.

That's not at all what he says.

What he says is, if someone who needs chemotherapy cannot afford to pay for it, why should they expect someone else to do so? It doesn't matter how much you "need" something--either you can afford to purchase it, or you can't.

devildog2067
12-31-2012, 13:16
For you hard-line anti-union guys, I'm curious how many union made items you use every day. Like the electricity in your house for instance.


I've taught "Electricity and Magnetism" several times... I don't recall anything about electric fields belonging to a union. Maxwell's equations weren't "made" by a union. Electrons don't care if you're union or not.

The idea that electricity is "made" by a union goes beyond stupid into insane territory.

G29Reload
12-31-2012, 13:17
Bravo, sir. Stomp on the stupid!

The only thing stupid is suggesting we have a choice of how we get electricity.

I do everything in my power to avoid purchasing union made stuff when i have any control over the matter.

Fortunately ssomething on the order of 88% of the jobs in this country are non union.

Adams454
12-31-2012, 13:19
In short cupcake, our utility workers are non-union, granted we have a community owned co-op but none the less. And after examining my Xmas present the wife and I have decided to outsource my wardrobe to Duluth Trading company so s little as possible is spent supporting American, bloodsucking unions.

What about the coal miners or the shipping provider, sweet cheeks?

countrygun
12-31-2012, 13:33
What about the coal miners or the shipping provider, sweet cheeks?

Well, cuddles, we get our juice right off the Govt built Bonneville Dam grid.

It may now be maintained by union drones but we have little to do with it and they didn't invent hydroelectric power, they just leech off what others have built.

dvrdwn72
12-31-2012, 13:35
I never said the union built or invented anything. Your idea of changing what I said to fit into a window you can break is failed from the start.

Let me try again. The union members do the work you pay them to do. Then the money gets funneled to the politicians. Your money go's to politicians. If you don't want that to happen, don't participate.
Sir, this is how the liberal mind works!!!! twist the words around. And revert to 3rd grade name calling!:rofl:

dvrdwn72
12-31-2012, 13:39
Well, cuddles, we get our juice right off the Govt built Bonneville Dam grid.

It may now be maintained by union drones but we have little to do with it and they didn't invent hydroelectric power, they just leech off what others have built.Bahhhhhh,,,,:countingsheep:

dvrdwn72
12-31-2012, 13:43
Union members = Sheep!Made one out of you didnt I????

certifiedfunds
12-31-2012, 13:46
6 figures is more than the vast majority of the people in the country make. Most arent even close to that. Not everyone can brag about how successful they are on the internet like you can.

Enjoy the government taking enough from you in taxes to pay for 3 loaded suburbans every year. I know the thought of it sure makes me smile.

:wavey:

You, Obama and Marx are perfectly aligned then.


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12-31-2012, 13:47
You, Obama and Marx are perfectly aligned then.


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:rofl:

dvrdwn72
12-31-2012, 14:00
Union members, your on this site, so I will guess you own an
"assault rifle", Glock or some other equally vile device that has the ability to accept an ammunition feeding device that holds ten or more rounds. How strenuously do you contact the NRA F rated Senator or Representative that you voted for for economic reasons that is now supporting taking your guns?

Any conversations with your keepers, I mean Union leaders about how that politician is not looking so great now?And this internet tough guy here is the biggest sheeple, actually believeing what the nra say's. You probably voted right along with the nra in what they told you to do. Now those same reps are putting a knife in the back of gun owners and agreeing to a form of gun control and awb!! So, In reality you sir, have been HAD!!!!!! and you are the sheep hearder. It takes a real moron to follow the advice of any political group. You spend what? 25-35$ a year for that!!!! Look at where it got us. And you have the balls to pick on unions about exactly what you are doing!

wprebeck
12-31-2012, 15:02
http://articles.courant.com/2012-04-04/business/hc-colt-union-contract-20120404_1_carlton-chen-previous-contract-julie-kushner

Put up your Colt products, then.

http://www.wktv.com/news/local/Workers-Union-reaches-agreement-with-Remington-Arms-183410671.html

I'm a Remington fanboy, so please send me all your 870's, 1100's, 11-87's, and 700's.

I'm sure there's more, but I don't have time at the moment. Please, though - feel free to send me all your Colt and Remington products, so you can hold true to your anti-union values. Wouldn't want you to support American workers or companies, now, would we?

What No Gravy
12-31-2012, 15:05
http://articles.courant.com/2012-04-04/business/hc-colt-union-contract-20120404_1_carlton-chen-previous-contract-julie-kushner

Put up your Colt products, then.

http://www.wktv.com/news/local/Workers-Union-reaches-agreement-with-Remington-Arms-183410671.html

I'm a Remington fanboy, so please send me all your 870's, 1100's, 11-87's, and 700's.

I'm sure there's more, but I don't have time at the moment. Please, though - feel free to send me all your Colt and Remington products, so you can hold true to your anti-union values. Wouldn't want you to support Socialist workers or companies, now, would we?

Fixed that for you.

wprebeck
12-31-2012, 15:05
For CF-

I don't give a rats ass how much money you make or how much you pay in taxes. I do think bringing it into almost every conversation is boorish behavior, at best. You portray, to a "T", the example of a rich conservative who doesn't give a **** about anything but money and himself. Nice job.

I also agree that you have a better understanding of economics than I - no biggie, as I never claimed to have an MBA. Of course, not knowing what the **** YOU are talkinga bout never kept you from chiming in on things about which you have no knowledge - read: anything LE related.

But, I'm betting the people who run Midway and Brownells have a much better understanding of economics than do you, and they didn't price gouge. Hmm...who to believe? Some self-proclaimed wealthy ********* - or companies that do multimillion dollars in annual sales. It's just so hard to pick.

wprebeck
12-31-2012, 15:06
Fixed that for you.

Yes, the folks who produce all those cool EBR's and 1911's are evil Socialists. Or, you're an idiot.

I'll let you choose. (Hint - it's not them)

What No Gravy
12-31-2012, 15:19
Yes, the folks who produce all those cool EBR's and 1911's are evil Socialists. Or, you're an idiot.

I'll let you choose. (Hint - it's not them)

Idiots are people who think they are for freedom while funding those who would have us in chains. :tongueout:

What No Gravy
12-31-2012, 15:20
Idiots are people who think they are for freedom while funding those who would have us in chains. :tongueout:
But as long as you have a job at the chain company it's all good.

certifiedfunds
12-31-2012, 15:33
For CF-

I don't give a rats ass how much money you make or how much you pay in taxes. I do think bringing it into almost every conversation is boorish behavior, at best. You portray, to a "T", the example of a rich conservative who doesn't give a **** about anything but money and himself. Nice job.

I also agree that you have a better understanding of economics than I - no biggie, as I never claimed to have an MBA. Of course, not knowing what the **** YOU are talkinga bout never kept you from chiming in on things about which you have no knowledge - read: anything LE related.

But, I'm betting the people who run Midway and Brownells have a much better understanding of economics than do you, and they didn't price gouge. Hmm...who to believe? Some self-proclaimed wealthy ********* - or companies that do multimillion dollars in annual sales. It's just so hard to pick.

Funny. You jumped in to snipe and then get your panties in a bunch when I respond.

Typical


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billybad34209
12-31-2012, 15:54
Union members, your on this site, so I will guess you own an
"assault rifle", Glock or some other equally vile device that has the ability to accept an ammunition feeding device that holds ten or more rounds. How strenuously do you contact the NRA F rated Senator or Representative that you voted for for economic reasons that is now supporting taking your guns?

Any conversations with your keepers, I mean Union leaders about how that politician is not looking so great now?

I am a teamster. Have been for over twenty years now. Im also a registered republican. I'm also a hunter. I use bows, crossbows, and my firearms. I'm an NRA member for 19 years now. I have been classified by my friends and family as a "gun nut". I cherish my firearms. It's my hobby. I also have had my Carry permit for about 10 years. So.......what does being a union member have to do with views on firearms. I don't have a union brother that I know of that don't have firearms, assault weapons and the such. I, as well as my union brothers that I work with have e-mailed, and wrote our senators, and voiced our rights on firearms. I get so tired of people on this board bashing unions. Yeah, there are lazy, worthless union members. But one shouldn't believe all people who are unionized, are lazy and worthless. I work my ass off to provide for my family, and to enjoy my firearms and assault weapons. So again......what does being a union member have to do with it. Are you assuming all union brothers are democrat, hate firearms, and are lazy pieces of ****, who follow the word of the union officials in charge? Your wrong. You sound like the kind of human that judges everyone, or is a follower, and goes with the majority, even if its not what you believe. Have you ever been a union brother? I would assume not. :tongueout:

Cali-Glock
12-31-2012, 16:10
Why are you assuming all union members are Democrats? Half our membership is made up of Republicans and Conservatives. The higher ups somewhere might be but not all the workers.

I am the NRA, sent with Tapatalk 2

Hmmm perhaps because unions regularly lobby for (including grass roots union-volunteer-labor lobbying) leftist causes, leftist politicians, as well as vote in Union leaders that are both more corrupt and more liberal than Senator Barbara Boxer.

amorican88
12-31-2012, 16:24
Obama's union members won't speak up to their union bosses.

Hell, they aren't even man enough to earn an honest living without having to hire mobsters to bribe politicians.

Real men earn their own raises by merit and guts, they don't hire protection.

Obama owns them.

Gotta love a someone hiding on the net behind a made up moniker calling into question others manhood. Funny, if it wasn't so pathetic.

Kingarthurhk
12-31-2012, 16:43
Ahhh, butthurt sniping from 2 folks who don't even pay net taxes! I love it!

Even brings up the price gouging threads to highlight his own economic ignorance for all to see! Rock on wprebeck!


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At your tax bracket, don't you receive glamour shots of Speaker John Boner in the mail?:rofl:

Cali-Glock
12-31-2012, 16:48
Gotta love a someone hiding on the net behind a made up moniker calling into question others manhood. Funny, if it wasn't so pathetic.

ChuteTheMall simply spoke the truth.

Nothing funny or pathetic about it.

ChuteTheMall
12-31-2012, 17:00
Gotta love a someone hiding on the net behind a made up moniker calling into question others manhood. Funny, if it wasn't so pathetic.

So your real name is a misspelling of American followed by your neo-nazi number 88?


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=88

dvrdwn72
12-31-2012, 17:15
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Elmoh01
12-31-2012, 21:16
I have been a Union member for 26 yrs, and I'm current the President of my local. When members ask me why they should vote one way or the other, I tell them to list the things that are most important to them and find out where the candidates stand on those issues and that well help them make their decision.

I am amazed that unions represent less then 10% of the workers in America but are villainized 90% of the time. Kind of like us law abiding gun owners that might loss are rights at any moment because of a few percentage of knuckleheads.

I am not much of a writer but I am more then happy to talk about this subject with any board member if they are willing to PM me their number, or I am willing to give them mine.

countrygun
12-31-2012, 21:24
I am amazed that unions represent less then 10% of the workers in America but are villainized 90% of the time. Kind of like us law abiding gun owners that might loss are rights at any moment because of a few percentage of knuckleheads.



Well the Communist Party isn't that big in America, but they supported Obama and for that and a lot of other reasons I don't like them either.

You also make no sense with your attempt to use "statistics" :upeyes:

syntaxerrorsix
12-31-2012, 21:43
I have been a Union member for 26 yrs, and I'm current the President of my local. When members ask me why they should vote one way or the other, I tell them to list the things that are most important to them and find out where the candidates stand on those issues and that well help them make their decision.

I am amazed that unions represent less then 10% of the workers in America but are villainized 90% of the time. Kind of like us law abiding gun owners that might loss are rights at any moment because of a few percentage of knuckleheads.

I am not much of a writer but I am more then happy to talk about this subject with any board member if they are willing to PM me their number, or I am willing to give them mine.

No, kind of like wolves in sheep's clothing are villianized.

Unions artificially drive up the cost of goods and marginalize the worker and their pay by eliminating competition for labor compensation. The real loser is that Unions typically and historically support the same tried and true tactics when it comes to politics while voting for Lefitist agendas.

Feel free to PM me for my number but I suggest you pack a lunch.

certifiedfunds
12-31-2012, 22:00
I am amazed that unions represent less then 10% of the workers in America but are villainized 90% of the time.

That's because they eventually destroy every industry they touch.

ChuteTheMall
12-31-2012, 22:06
That's because they eventually destroy every industry they touch.

Well, since today a majority of union members are government employees, you might be on to something there.
:faint:

syntaxerrorsix
12-31-2012, 22:07
That's because they eventually destroy every industry they touch.

The Union made Chicago the city it is today.

syntaxerrorsix
12-31-2012, 22:07
Well, since today a majority of union members are government employees, you might be on to something there.
:faint:

There are a lot of times I hate agreeing with you but now is not one :wavey:

certifiedfunds
12-31-2012, 22:13
Well, since today a majority of union members are government employees, you might be on to something there.
:faint:

The very worst kind

Kingarthurhk
01-01-2013, 00:28
The very worst kind

Ironic, considering they can't bargain for benefits and wages like private sector unions.:upeyes:

Nalapombu
01-01-2013, 01:32
I believe the OP is asking a good question, but he'll never get an answer to it.

One of my best friends is a steelworker in Kentucky. The members in his union couldn't get more pro gun and hunting, but when their union goon bosses come in and tell them to vote for Candidate X, they vote for Candidate X no matter what they think will happen. He emails me and tells me about heated arguments he would get into with other members in the break room over Barry Soetero. He tries to debate with them and explain to them what is likely to happen and it almost always ends the same way, with 8 or 10 of them surrounding him, cursing him out, calling his wife a few names, and telling him to go "F" himself that they are voting for the guy that supports the "workin' man." Romney and all Republicans are for no one but the RICH MAN and they don't care about you and your family.

Wanna guess what happens on election day? They vote SOETERO and will laugh at everyone that voted for a Republican. It's how it's been for a hundred years.

Even if there was a new gun ban to take effect this year these union members would find a way to blame it all on Boehner and the Republicans. You think it couldn't happen, but I've got a youtube video of a judge in West Virginia that was running for re-election to his Supreme Court seat. He was widely regarded as one of the most un-friendly judges to business in the USA. The Unions LOVED HIM, worshiped him. He was in the fight of his political life and he was at a UMWA Picnic in one of the coal mining counties where all of the democRAT politicians were making an appearance. In his speech he went right down the list talking about how it wasn't democRATs that wanted to take away your guns, it was REPUBLICANS. It wasn't democRATs that were in favor of abortion, it was Republicans. He did this with damn near every Conservative agenda item that we all know. Every time he would say it isn't the democRATs, it's the Republicans, the crowd would erupt in applause. It is just incredible. It doesn't matter one bit what REALITY is, reality is whatever the union TELLS them it is.

It ain't gonna change anytime soon either.

Ever wonder where the term YELLOW DOG DEMOCRAT comes from? Right there in the union stronghold rural states like West Virginia.

Nalajr

CBennett
01-01-2013, 06:09
You assume that all union members are pro gun. You assume that pro gun union members feel the gun issue is more important to them (or should be) than other issues.

exactly im in a union i dont have to be its optional and i can get out at any time...I vote almost exclusively Republican though I HAVE voted for a Pro second amendment rated Dem on the local level in the last 5 years. Im Pro Gun Pro second amendment and am a NRA member. And yes I own a AK74.

certifiedfunds
01-01-2013, 08:33
Ironic, considering they can't bargain for benefits and wages like private sector unions.:upeyes:

Except that in the private sector, the employer bargains with their own money. In the public sector, the unions bargain against the taxpayers with politicians who's only interest is the next election cycle.

It's despicable.

IQof1
01-01-2013, 09:03
I have been a Union member for 26 yrs, and I'm current the President of my local. When members ask me why they should vote one way or the other, I tell them to list the things that are most important to them and find out where the candidates stand on those issues and that well help them make their decision.

I am amazed that unions represent less then 10% of the workers in America but are villainized 90% of the time. Kind of like us law abiding gun owners that might loss are rights at any moment because of a few percentage of knuckleheads.

I am not much of a writer but I am more then happy to talk about this subject with any board member if they are willing to PM me their number, or I am willing to give them mine.

let me preface this entry by stating i am in no way trying to flame you personally. i dont know you so i cant fairly form an opinion of you in all fairness.

actually, until recently Unions made up something close to 16% of the American workforce. With the passage of recent laws (Wisconsin, Michigan) they are now down to about 11.8% of the US workforce. Hopefully that number will dwindle even more. In today's world, there is really no place for Unions anymore. There are too many laws, regulations and oversight for companies to get away with the stuff that unions were originally formed to combat. There's OSHA and countless forms of redress through legal avenues for even the average Joe to use for unions to be thought of as needed or useful. and, there is always some greedy, ambulance chasing blood sucker lawyer out there to take the case "pro-bono" unless you win or settle out of court of course. (i feel so filthy after using the "L" word....haha)

Unions protect the useless. You ever drive by that road crew with one guy shovelling and 6 or 8 standing around holding the shovels up? you ever look over your kids school work and wonder just WTF they teaching in school? you ever actually TALK to the teacher and cant understand a word he/she is saying because of the ebonics? i have to constantly correct what my kids are being taught in school. especially in the history dept. thank God my grandparents still have on OLD Encyclopedia Britanica set. (yes kids, thats how we learned before the instant gratification of Google)

and how can you account for unions supporting a high school graduate walking on to the assembly line in Detroit making $75/hr as UNSKILLED labor to hang door panels?

and please explain to me HOW THE F forcing someone to pay to work (union dues) is legal or Constitutional?

How the F can it be legal to take someones money then give it to a politician if that person does NOT support that candidate. union contributions to political campaigns should be illegal. period!

Unions drive business overseas, not Bush, as Bobo the Clown, Liberals, Union Bosses (Communists) and idiots would have you believe.

When John goes to his Union job he gets:

8 hour workday with breaks/lunch.
$30+/hr
gauranteed "laid-off" pay
vacation-paid
sick time-paid
comp time-paid
shift diff.-usually a higher hourly rate by a few dollars
overtime-paid 1.5x hourly rate
medical
dental
eye

and the company has to put up with EPA thugs, NLRB, local politicians getting in the way, media etc etc....

now, the CEO looks at all this and then looks at places like.....Mexico, Indonesia, China etc.

Jose goes to his 3rd World, non-Union job and gets:

$30/wk.

and the company can buy off local politicians. doesnt have to deal with the EPA, no union thuggery, treachery etc...

what does that company do?

and i havent even mentioned the games that Unions like to play.

e.g. i have been on worksites where a carpenter wasnt even allowed to move a radio. he had to stop, hunt down the site boss and get an electrician to come unplug the radio and move it. when i worked in the oil field, it was even worse with pipe fitters, welders helpers, roust abouts etc...an even better example would be the stupid union that drove Hostess Twinkies out of business. complete and utter stupidity and now several hundred, if not more, people are out of a job because of the one small union not allowing bread and twinkies on one truck or those products to be set up for sale by the same guy. that union wanted a separate truck, a separate driver to make the same runs as the bread trucks to the same stores and set up displays right behind the bread guy. so, the company was expected to double their delivery fleet, fuel costs, insuraces, workforce etc for this small 400 member union....dumb games. but what you wanna bet those union bosses are taken care of while the sheeple members are sitting at home explaining to their kids how evil CEOs put them out of work and stole their Christmas.....

i find it extremely telling that the best buildings in almost every town i have been through here in the Northeast are the union buildings....

i also believe that government sector employees, from local police/teachers/firefighters up to the Fed govt level should NOT be allowed unions.

when a person takes on this sort of job, they are there by choice and work FOR the people. it is absolutely rediculous how a cop in NJ RETIRES with an average of $81,000 a year.

Firefighters, $74,000 per year and average retired teacher pay in NJ, $64,000 a year.

there are people that have been in the Military for 30 years and dont make that on active duty! then when they retire, they get 50-75% of base pay which is usually around $2000 or so a month. (rough average for enlisted)

and now that i have addressed the whole "off-topic" topic of this thread.....

let me just say, Union members will play both sides of the fence on this. they cant admit being wrong in supporting democrats while their guns are outlawed and confiscated. it will be an evil republicans fault for shooting something up in the first place.

they will come up with some lame excuse that it's "better for the working man" if there arent guns all over the place.

i do apologize for painting with such a broad brush as i know not ALL unions or their members feel this way. unfortunately, those few are greatly outnumbered by the sheeple of the bigger AFL-CIO, UAW, SEIU and the Trumka/Andy Stern fan boys.

IQof1
01-01-2013, 09:32
Except that in the private sector, the employer bargains with their own money. In the public sector, the unions bargain against the taxpayers with politicians who's only interest is the next election cycle.

It's despicable.


+1 this

Nalapombu
01-01-2013, 10:09
Just to Piggyback on IQof1, a few months ago there was a story about how some public interest group sued the Federal govt. to get access to a computer database that had info about public sector union pay and employment details. If your neighbor names John Q. Public worked for the EPA you could put his name in and see his pay and benefits. A Judge ruled that the public had a right to the information, the govt. and the unions fought tooth and nail to keep it secret.

After it was made public someone plugged in to get the details of ALL Federal govt. worker pay in New Jersey. What came out absolutely floored me. It showed that the AVERAGE yearly pay for Federal Workers in the state of New Jersey was a tad over $84,000 per year!!! That's not salary + Benefits, that's SALARY ONLY.

How in the world does something like that happen? We all know how it happens.

My mom used to carpool with 4 women that all worked for the Veterans Administration in downtown Houston. None of them had higher than High School and shuffled papers around all day. They took off work whenever they felt like it, never worried about calling in "sick," and pretty much done as they wished. When a new job came open around them, it went to one of their cousins, brothers, or family members. She never did know what they were paid, but every one of them had absolutely first rate health insurance and 2 of them drove brand new Benz's, 1 an Audi and the last a new BMW sedan. All lived in the Tony Houston neighborhoods too.

Is it any wonder why people damn near kill to get hired by the Feds? How does an entire state have an average pay of $84K? That still just floors me. It should outrage every one of us.

I place the blame for where this country is at right at the feet of UNIONS. Obama is THEIR man, they paid for him to get to the party and he rode that horse all the way to a 2nd term as President. If you're pissed about the elections, look at no other entity to blame than the UNIONS, in particular Unions from Ohio, Virginia, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Nalajr

IQof1
01-01-2013, 10:15
Preach on brother! haha.

Powder
01-01-2013, 10:27
Is it any wonder why people damn near kill to get hired by the Feds? How does an entire state have an average pay of $84K? That still just floors me. It should outrage every one of us.

Nalajr

You can have 20 people making only $40k and a single guy making $1mil a year and still average over $85k a year........

Adams454
01-01-2013, 10:35
I think a lot of the union hate comes from public sector unions, not private. They are not the same. I'm in a private sector union working for a private company with no power to strike (last time we got close Barry ordered us back to work by EO). He also officially sided with the company on almost the entire deal, so thats what we wound up with. There's a huge difference between us and the teachers/police/roadway/etc workers unions that make life hell on the American people.

Officer X
01-01-2013, 11:40
Except that in the private sector, the employer bargains with their own money. In the public sector, the unions bargain against the taxpayers with politicians who's only interest is the next election cycle.

It's despicable.

Yes, it is despicable wanting a say in bargaining for your pay, benefits and working conditions. We should just be happy to take whatever change the populace wants to throw our way...

certifiedfunds
01-01-2013, 11:49
Yes, it is despicable wanting a say in bargaining for your pay, benefits and working conditions. We should just be happy to take whatever change the populace wants to throw our way...

Correct


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certifiedfunds
01-01-2013, 11:49
I think a lot of the union hate comes from public sector unions, not private. They are not the same. I'm in a private sector union working for a private company with no power to strike (last time we got close Barry ordered us back to work by EO). He also officially sided with the company on almost the entire deal, so thats what we wound up with. There's a huge difference between us and the teachers/police/roadway/etc workers unions that make life hell on the American people.

Private unions are only slightly less evil


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countrygun
01-01-2013, 11:50
Yes, it is despicable wanting a say in bargaining for your pay, benefits and working conditions. We should just be happy to take whatever change the populace wants to throw our way...

Or not take the job if you don't think it's worth it.

G29Reload
01-01-2013, 12:10
Ironic, considering they can't bargain for benefits and wages like private sector unions.:upeyes:

So whats the point of having them then? Wtf does anyone working for the .gov need a union for anyway? Its an adversarial relationship, the .gov cant deal w its employees fairly?

G29Reload
01-01-2013, 12:14
Yes, it is despicable wanting a say in bargaining for your pay, benefits and working conditions. We should just be happy to take whatever change the populace wants to throw our way...

Youre still free to work elsewhere if you dont like it. You dont have to take anything.

G29Reload
01-01-2013, 12:15
The Union made Chicago the city it is today.

A corrupt cesspool?

Officer X
01-01-2013, 12:18
Youre still free to work elsewhere if you dont like it. You dont have to take anything.

And I'm also free to collectively bargain for my worth

Officer X
01-01-2013, 12:19
Correct


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From the guy with over 31,000 posts...Do you even work?

Officer X
01-01-2013, 12:21
Or not take the job if you don't think it's worth it.

The job is worth it and so are my skills. I will bargain and lobby for what I know I'm worth before looking elsewhere. Which would be just the same, just with a different employer

21GlockStreet
01-01-2013, 12:22
Union members, your on this site, so I will guess you own an
"assault rifle", Glock or some other equally vile device that has the ability to accept an ammunition feeding device that holds ten or more rounds. How strenuously do you contact the NRA F rated Senator or Representative that you voted for for economic reasons that is now supporting taking your guns?

Any conversations with your keepers, I mean Union leaders about how that politician is not looking so great now?

You paint us with a very broad brush. The Union I belong to is basically a wholly owned subsidiary of the corporation I work for. They are a dues collection agency which only cares about its bottom line: dues monies. They supported Obama because he is good for their bottom line. What is good for the so called union I belong to is not necessarily good for the workers.
Having said that, I don't know how any working class person can vote for a Republican whose party platform is globalization, privatization, pension stealing and war mongering. The Democrats are just the other side of the SAME COIN. I don't know how a working class person can vote for a Democrat like Diane Feinstein; who was already rich when she went to the Senate and now worth many times more. I use Feinstein as an example because she is one of the most despicable democrats. The Democrats are also war mongers; as long as the war mongering is done by their "peace prize" winner, Obama. What is needed in this country is a grass roots liberty based labor party.

fyrediver
01-01-2013, 12:38
I pay union dues only because its required for my chosen field. If I could get by without it, I would. Not every union member can be painted with such a broad brush, some of us just see it as a necessary evil that keeps crony management from ruining lives on a whim.

I vote conservative or libertarian. I actually want the company I work for to make a profit, so they can keep paying me. I don't believe in class warfare.

I second this motion.

Smithers
01-01-2013, 12:43
What is important to them that would cause them to vote for Obama?

We can start with two words.

G and M

countrygun
01-01-2013, 12:50
The job is worth it and so are my skills. I will bargain and lobby for what I know I'm worth before looking elsewhere. Which would be just the same, just with a different employer

Your skills are worth what an employer decides they are worth. if someone else will do the job for less than you think you are worth, your employer should hire them.

Your employer is under no obligation to fulfill your sense of self-worth.

IQof1
01-01-2013, 12:51
Yes, it is despicable wanting a say in bargaining for your pay, benefits and working conditions. We should just be happy to take whatever change the populace wants to throw our way...

yes, you should. YOU serve the PUBLIC when you take on the job of police officer. it is NOT the other way around.

how do you justify starting pay of $50,000 as a ROOKIE when there are guys with 20+ years of military service that dont even get paid close to that?

and that rookie pay jumps $5,000 a year on up to around $100,000 with promotion pays added in. These pile up rather quickly according to a few NJ police officers i know.

how do you justify an average retirement pay of over $80,000 for NJ cops? and then have the balls to call yourself a "public servant"?

as a public servant, if you dont like the conditions of your current employment, GO FIND ANOTHER JOB! but, you public union types want to hold us, the public hostage. you want to hold our "safety" hostage. YOU use US to get what you want for yourselves.

ask yourself this, how many retired cops from NJ do youknow with vacation homes in Florida?

i know 3.

IQof1
01-01-2013, 12:52
A corrupt cesspool?


with little obamas running around all over sucking off the govt teat.....

certifiedfunds
01-01-2013, 12:54
From the guy with over 31,000 posts...Do you even work?

No. I'm a union thug


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IQof1
01-01-2013, 12:54
And I'm also free to collectively bargain for my worth


and what makes you any more "worthy" than the next man?

not a support of socialism by any means, just an honest question?

if youre so worthy, shouldnt your employer recognize that instead of you holding the general public hostage for your pay?

i mean one cop at $100,000 a year vs two cops at $50,000 a year each.....

IQof1
01-01-2013, 13:00
You paint us with a very broad brush. The Union I belong to is basically a wholly owned subsidiary of the corporation I work for. They are a dues collection agency which only cares about its bottom line: dues monies. They supported Obama because he is good for their bottom line. What is good for the so called union I belong to is not necessarily good for the workers.
Having said that, I don't know how any working class person can vote for a Republican whose party platform is globalization, privatization, pension stealing and war mongering. The Democrats are just the other side of the SAME COIN. I don't know how a working class person can vote for a Democrat like Diane Feinstein; who was already rich when she went to the Senate and now worth many times more. I use Feinstein as an example because she is one of the most despicable democrats. The Democrats are also war mongers; as long as the war mongering is done by their "peace prize" winner, Obama. What is needed in this country is a grass roots liberty based labor party.


hahah thats rich! you mean like Bobo the Clown's bail outs for GM going STRICTLY to the unions instead of shareholders? you know, the people who invested their own money and took a risk in a company?

and correct me if i am wrong, but isnt it Bobo the Clown and Hillary that want us to mirror Europe? Bowing (in Bobo's case) to the UN at every chance?

now i will agree with you 100% on the whole grass roots liberty based political party. but never a "labor" party, that just invites socialism into our country. we have enough of that with Bobo and Sasquatch in the WH now.

Officer X
01-01-2013, 13:44
No. I'm a union thug


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You call union members names and try to villify them but you get outraged when liberals/anti gunners characterize gun owners the same way.

You are in the same class as them

certifiedfunds
01-01-2013, 13:54
You call union members names and try to villify them but you get outraged when liberals/anti gunners characterize gun owners the same way.

You are in the same class as them

Sure I am. But at least I can stand on my own two feet and negotiate fair compensation.


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IQof1
01-01-2013, 13:59
You call union members names and try to villify them but you get outraged when liberals/anti gunners characterize gun owners the same way.

You are in the same class as them


unions and thier members (not all) for the most part have lived up to the well deserved disdain of America. Unions have brought higher prices and less jobs to America....

you are a prime example of this by demanding an exorbitant salary for a public sector job. you have forgotten the oath you've sworn to serve the public.

funny, i dont see how gun owners per se have done that.....

Officer X
01-01-2013, 14:00
yes, you should. YOU serve the PUBLIC when you take on the job of police officer. it is NOT the other way around.

how do you justify starting pay of $50,000 as a ROOKIE when there are guys with 20+ years of military service that dont even get paid close to that?

and that rookie pay jumps $5,000 a year on up to around $100,000 with promotion pays added in. These pile up rather quickly according to a few NJ police officers i know.

how do you justify an average retirement pay of over $80,000 for NJ cops? and then have the balls to call yourself a "public servant"?

as a public servant, if you dont like the conditions of your current employment, GO FIND ANOTHER JOB! but, you public union types want to hold us, the public hostage. you want to hold our "safety" hostage. YOU use US to get what you want for yourselves.

ask yourself this, how many retired cops from NJ do youknow with vacation homes in Florida?

i know 3.

- I am a Police Officer who took the job because I wanted to serve as a Police Officer. I am not a Priest who took a vow of poverty.

- New officers in my agency do not earn a starting salary as you claim. Your facts are wrong. If you live in the state, you would know even that salary is very difficult to get by on.

- Police Officer vs. Military...really? An apples to oranges comparison which has been beaten to death too many times already. A common fall back.

- My retirement is based off of a percentage of my base salary. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who makes it through 25-30 years of this career has earned it. Again, the term "public servant" has been overused and your type seem to want to twist it into meaning it should mean low wages and no benefits.

- I'm not looking for another job. I enjoy my job and I'm good at it. I've worked very hard over the years to learn it very thoroughly, have established a good reputation for myself and have studied and gone to school so I could promote through the ranks. Quite capitalistic actually, I worked hard to better myself, be worth more to my community and have been compensated for it.

I have not held anyone hostage, in fact for several years in a row my pay was frozen and our membership made concessions to save jobs. The workload has only increased with the economy and it has been made worse now that our staffing has been cut about 15% by positions not being filled. If I had what I "wanted", I'd be retired now making my full salary with overtime, but I don't have that

- I know retired cops who live in Florida but I do not know any who own any vacation homes there.

Officer X
01-01-2013, 14:03
unions and thier members (not all) for the most part have lived up to the well deserved disdain of America. Unions have brought higher prices and less jobs to America....

you are a prime example of this by demanding an exorbitant salary for a public sector job. you have forgotten the oath you've sworn to serve the public.

funny, i dont see how gun owners per se have done that.....

I haven't "demanded" anything for years. I work under a pay scale that was negotiated with the town. Understanding the economy, I voted three different times to give concessions so I guess in your eyes, I demanded less...

.45Super-Man
01-01-2013, 14:04
I'm sure pension funds are safe and will be.....until you're disarmed.

christian1
01-01-2013, 14:04
yup,, you got it. totally unlike it. We recieved nothing but thank you's, not only from the citizens but also the towns and mayor's. SO, yes to your question. Oh, southern company is union by the way.

So they thanked you for being in a union? Probably would have had power restored much sooner if not for the mandatory breaks...


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ysr_racer
01-01-2013, 14:05
You call union members names and try to villify them but you get outraged when liberals/anti gunners characterize gun owners the same way.

You are in the same class as them

Officer X,

If a group of Italian guys get together and tell a business owner, "Do what we want, or we'll hurt your business" we call that mob extortion.

If a group of RANDOM guys get together and tell a business owner, "Do what we want, or we'll hurt your business" we call that union negotiating.

Yet they're strangely similar.

Officer X
01-01-2013, 14:05
and what makes you any more "worthy" than the next man?

not a support of socialism by any means, just an honest question?

if youre so worthy, shouldnt your employer recognize that instead of you holding the general public hostage for your pay?

i mean one cop at $100,000 a year vs two cops at $50,000 a year each.....

I am "worthy" because I have self worth, I am not just going to roll over because you demand it. I have worked hard and proved myself in my profession and have gone further to better myself and get promoted into higher positions.

Officer X
01-01-2013, 14:07
Officer X,

If a group of Italian guys get together and tell a business owner, "Do what we want, or we'll hurt your business" we call that mob extortion.

If a group of RANDOM guys get together and tell a business owner, "Do what we want, or we'll hurt your business" we call that union negotiating.

Yet they're strangely similar.

I've never done a thing to harm anyone's business

certifiedfunds
01-01-2013, 14:07
I haven't "demanded" anything for years. I work under a pay scale that was negotiated with the town. Understanding the economy, I voted three different times to give concessions so I guess in your eyes, I demanded less...

How gracious of you


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doktarZues
01-01-2013, 14:27
Remember that next time a hurricane comes through and you have no power for days. You will think otherwise then, and will thank one of us when its restored.

What a pretentious load of crap. Did I miss something, or did you really just say that you want a cookie for doing your job? And what on earth does this have to do with unions, or does it?

dango
01-01-2013, 14:39
You assume that all union members are pro gun. You assume that pro gun union members feel the gun issue is more important to them (or should be) than other issues.

I like you but , you assume to assume too much some times ,
I assume ?

What No Gravy
01-01-2013, 14:43
It's amazing how many socialist believe they are freedom loving Americans.

dango
01-01-2013, 15:17
Wow , I can't keep score any more ! Way too confusing. I'm old school and "thought" WE were Americans ? We have been divided , branded , separated and categorized so many different ways , I don't know comfortably what the hell I am.

Are we the PEOPLE on the same side on anything ? Am I friend or foe ?

Well now , I proclaim , my 15+ acres (DANGO) ! Come in peace or leave in pieces.! I pledged an oath to my Constitution , country , ETC. -Somewhere , everything got lost in Translation
and I sit and ponder , What the hell did I vow to ? Can we even stand as one when , I say WHEN , it matters ?

Dazed and Confused.......?

IQof1
01-01-2013, 15:32
It's amazing how many socialist believe they are freedom loving Americans.


i think the big difference here is that public sector employees shouldnt be negotiating anything. they took on a job working for the govt in one form or another. if they dont like the terms of that employment, leave the job.

truetopath
01-01-2013, 15:38
I used to be a union member and not once voted for the politician my union wanted me too. Oh, and the constant flyers they mail out around election time make great kindling...

G29Reload
01-01-2013, 15:53
And I'm also free to collectively bargain for my worth

Because youre in an area that allows your union to hold thw wmployer hostage. Terrorism in my book. Thuggery.

What No Gravy
01-01-2013, 15:58
Because youre in an area that allows your union to hold thw wmployer hostage. Terrorism in my book. Thuggery.

At the very least. People who can not stand on their own propped up by the use of force by a mob.

G29Reload
01-01-2013, 16:01
I used to be a union member and not once voted for the politician my union wanted me too. Oh, and the constant flyers they mail out around election time make great kindling...

Sure you did. It just took the form of supporting those pols w your forcibly confiscated dues.

Gunnut 45/454
01-01-2013, 16:14
Well the better question would be then do you union members tell your union bosses to not support those you don't support with your vote? Do they listen or are you treated as the money cow! Why do you support a union that will not listen to there members?:whistling:

Kingarthurhk
01-01-2013, 16:15
i think the big difference here is that public sector employees shouldnt be negotiating anything. they took on a job working for the govt in one form or another. if they dont like the terms of that employment, leave the job.

I feel that way about all unions that can negotiate for benefits and pay. UAW is the worst offender there is for that.

bmoore
01-01-2013, 16:16
Union members, your on this site, so I will guess you own an
"assault rifle", Glock or some other equally vile device that has the ability to accept an ammunition feeding device that holds ten or more rounds. How strenuously do you contact the NRA F rated Senator or Representative that you voted for for economic reasons that is now supporting taking your guns?

Any conversations with your keepers, I mean Union leaders about how that politician is not looking so great now?

I will probably just keep helping people and saving peoples lives everyday. What will you do?

certifiedfunds
01-01-2013, 16:20
Pay the bills?

AK_Stick
01-01-2013, 16:28
It's amazing how many socialist believe they are freedom loving Americans.


It's also amazing how many people seem to have attended the CF school of Americanism. It's only right if I agree with it, and it's convienient to my ends.

Bruce M
01-01-2013, 16:31
It's amazing how many socialist believe they are freedom loving Americans.
Almost as amazing as the number of people who think they know what socialism is.

certifiedfunds
01-01-2013, 16:33
It's also amazing how many people seem to have attended the CF school of Americanism. It's only right if I agree with it, and it's convienient to my ends.

So long as I'm not violating your rights, its called liberty.

What No Gravy
01-01-2013, 16:35
It's also amazing how many people seem to have attended the CF school of Americanism. It's only right if I agree with it, and it's convienient to my ends.

It's also amazing that some can not understand that if your trying to steal from me and my family to give to others and take my rights away, or you support those who do this, then no your not on the same side as me. It's a lot more that a difference of opinion.

Kingarthurhk
01-01-2013, 16:38
It's also amazing that some can not understand that if your trying to steal from me and my family to give to others and take my rights away, or you support those who do this, then no your not on the same side as me. It's a lot more that a difference of opinion.

That sounds like Congress to me.:upeyes:

AK_Stick
01-01-2013, 16:42
It's also amazing that some can not understand that if your trying to steal from me and my family to give to others and take my rights away, or you support those who do this, then no your not on the same side as me. It's a lot more that a difference of opinion.


And since not all Unions contributed to Obama, and his agenda, please explain how every union member and every union is trying to steal from you?

What No Gravy
01-01-2013, 16:53
And since not all Unions contributed to Obama, and his agenda, please explain how every union member and every union is trying to steal from you?

Sorry I never said every union (not that I don't dislike all unions) but in relation to the subject to this thread:If your union did contribute which came from the dues you paid then yes it applies to you.

What No Gravy
01-01-2013, 16:54
Almost as amazing as the number of people who think they know what socialism is.

How do you define it?

What No Gravy
01-01-2013, 16:56
And since not all Unions contributed to Obama, and his agenda, please explain how every union member and every union is trying to steal from you?

Which Unions fought against him?

countrygun
01-01-2013, 17:16
And since not all Unions contributed to Obama, and his agenda, please explain how every union member and every union is trying to steal from you?

Since we keep hearing that "Unions are for protecting members, safety, protecting them from "bad' bosses and collective bargaining, what are they doing supporting ANY candidate and using member's money to do it? Why did the SEIU in my State donate to the party of the Governor after he said he wanted to turn the position of Administrator of Public Ed into an appointed position (by him) instead of elected, and that he wanted to put the former President of the Teachers Union (an SEIU sub-union) into the position to bargain with the Teacher's Union on behalf of the public?

Bruce M
01-01-2013, 17:53
How do you define it?
How about collective/government ownership of all production and distribution. No private property.

21GlockStreet
01-01-2013, 18:07
unions and thier members (not all) for the most part have lived up to the well deserved disdain of America. Unions have brought higher prices and less jobs to America....

you are a prime example of this by demanding an exorbitant salary for a public sector job. you have forgotten the oath you've sworn to serve the public.

funny, i dont see how gun owners per se have done that.....

What a crock! it's your beloved "free traders" and "privatizers" who sold out to China in the first place. It was Tricky Dick who snuck away to China and began all this. Slick Willy and the rest continued it until today you are hard pressed to buy anything made in USA.
Corporate "America" did not run off to China et al, because they couldn't make a buck by paying union labor that can buy the products it makes, pay taxes and pay a mortgage. They ran off to China because they were given tax incentives to do so they can make even more money. Union labor is no competition for Chinese slaves who work in factories with suicide nets around them. Well paid union labor gets in the way of profits for the corporate ruling elite. How much does it cost Apple to make an Ipad in China? I'm sure it's nowhere near the $500-$600 they charge to buy one. But I;m sure you have no problem with any of this.

What No Gravy
01-01-2013, 18:12
How about collective/government ownership of all production and distribution. No private property.

Sounds about right. That is the direction they are pushing.

NMPOPS
01-01-2013, 18:54
Union members, your on this site, so I will guess you own an
"assault rifle", Glock or some other equally vile device that has the ability to accept an ammunition feeding device that holds ten or more rounds. How strenuously do you contact the NRA F rated Senator or Representative that you voted for for economic reasons that is now supporting taking your guns?

Any conversations with your keepers, I mean Union leaders about how that politician is not looking so great now?

I've been a member of this board for several years now and a dues paying, proud member of a Police Union since we formed in 1993. I was the first Vice President of the union and also served as president for 4 years. I always worked for the welfare of the officers in my department. Our primary focus was working conditions, not necessarily wages.

That said, New Mexico, although being a democrat state is also a gun loving state. I am and always have been a conservative and generally vote republican. :tongueout: So [U]don't assume all union members are democrats[U]. As a conservative and retired cop, I do support strict enforcement of the firearms laws already on the books, not more laws.

Last it's "you're" not your!