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Fox
12-30-2012, 20:40
President Obama on Sunday said he would make gun control a priority in his new term, pledging to put his “full weight” behind passing new restrictions on firearms in 2013.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/274881-obama-hopes-to-enact-new-gun-control-measures-in-2013

Where are all the deceitful sonso*********es here that said Obama was not going to touch the gun control issue?

Adjuster
12-30-2012, 21:14
I am one of the people that a month ago was saying Obama has never done anything to threaten gun rights. I am also one of the people that now understands he has to revisit this issue. He has 50% of the US population demanding some sort of gun control. He certainly can't ignore it.


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Fox
12-30-2012, 21:25
You must have skipped the debate with Romney where Obama promised to abolish assault weapons.

shotgunred
12-30-2012, 21:29
If he can't even put this necessary financial deal together what makes you think he can put a gun ban in place?

HollowHead
12-30-2012, 21:36
I am one of the people that a month ago was saying Obama has never done anything to threaten gun rights. I am also one of the people that now understands he has to revisit this issue. He has 50% of the US population demanding some sort of gun control. He certainly can't ignore it.


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Very well stated. As much as I dislike the man for his economic policies and his questionable patriotism, he did sign into law legal carry in the National Parks. A very dear issue to me. HH

certifiedfunds
12-30-2012, 21:39
I am one of the people that a month ago was saying Obama has never done anything to threaten gun rights. I am also one of the people that now understands he has to revisit this issue. He has 50% of the US population demanding some sort of gun control. He certainly can't ignore it.


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He had >50% of the people opposing Obamacare and he certainly ignored the **** outta that.

WarCry
12-30-2012, 21:56
I am one of the people that a month ago was saying Obama has never done anything to threaten gun rights. I am also one of the people that now understands he has to revisit this issue. He has 50% of the US population demanding some sort of gun control. He certainly can't ignore it.


Don't bother, I tried that in another thread, and was told that I simply couldn't admit that I was wrong, while the other party (don't recall who) wouldn't admit that Dec 14th changed EVERYTHING about the gun control debate at the national level.

Nothing happened after Tucson. Nothing happened after Aurora. I would say Tucson - with a Congresswoman as a target/victim - was the PERFECT time if he had wanted to push the issue harder, but mag-caps didn't even make it out of committee. But 20 dead 6 and 7 year olds....anyone that can't figure out that that changes things isn't being intellectually honest.




BTW, it changes the DEBATE. I'm not saying that I support a new ban now, but a LOT of other people are, and a lot of politicians are listening. We just have to stay on top of them.

FLIPPER 348
12-30-2012, 22:06
You must have skipped the debate with Romney where Obama promised to abolish AWB.


That debate only happened in your head.


Dude, 20 children from 5-7 were murdered, it does not matter who is President as an irrational thing happened and irrational actions will be the result.

You rant about your ARs, 20 families have presents in the house hidden away for children in coffins.

FLIPPER 348
12-30-2012, 22:09
Nothing happened after Tucson.


Nothing happened after Aurora. I would say Tucson - with a Congresswoman as a target/victim - was the PERFECT time if he had wanted to push the issue harder, but mag-caps didn't even make it out of committee. But 20 dead 6 and 7 year olds....anyone that can't figure out that that changes things isn't being intellectually honest.






Also with Tucson a little girl born on 9/11 was murdered. I was shocked nothing was put up but saw the writing on the wall that a ban was on the horizon and planned accordingly.



...did you??

Fox
12-30-2012, 22:27
Also with Tucson a little girl born on 9/11 was murdered. I was shocked nothing was put up but saw the writing on the wall that a ban was on the horizon and planned accordingly.



...did you??

We knew a ban was coming if your candidate got a second term.

As for the recent shooting, none of the policy makers mentioned the mental health issues. No one mentions that these massacres take place in gun free zones. I know of one school shooting that was ended quickly when a school principle went to his car and got a .45 auto and stopped the murderer.

9jeeps
12-30-2012, 22:29
There is a whole lot of NIT WIT voters here that believe the empty O and every word he puts forth.

Get used to it. This guy is just beginning.

How's that working out for ya?:rofl::wavey:

FLIPPER 348
12-30-2012, 22:30
we? ....you got a mouse in your pocket??

The 'we' you speak of also though Obama was going to lose. How about that fictional debate you referenced?? Sorry about all the questions, I tried to use small words.

certifiedfunds
12-30-2012, 22:41
we? ....you got a mouse in your pocket??

The 'we' you speak of also though Obama was going to lose. How about that fictional debate you referenced?? Sorry about all the questions, I tried to use small words.

You voted for the guy that's coming for our guns.

Congratulations. Your side won.


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BEANCOUNTER
12-30-2012, 22:44
The problem for Obama and the gun grabbers now is that pesky SCOTUS case of a few years ago, DC v Heller.

I'd guess any legislation restricting weapons in common use, or overreaching with legislation too broad, will end up in the federal courts for years to come.

Heller strongly suggests that weapons protected by the 2A are those in common use. AR-15s certainly meet the definition of a weapon in common use. For millions of us who carried a M-16 when we served in the military, the civilian AR-15 is the rifle we have the most training with (for me the only rifle I've had any training with) and, because of that training, it is probably the safest rifle for many of us veterans to own.

The Heller opinion explained that a constitutional guarantee subject to future judges’ assessments of its usefulness is no constitutional guarantee at all. It says that constitutional rights are enshrined with the scope they were understood to have when the people adopted them, whether or not future legislatures, or even future judges, think that scope too broad.

My guess is that Obama and the gun-grabbers will ignore Heller and go after their demon of the moment, the AR, probably magazines, too. They will probably forget all about the mental illness issues common in these mass murders and forget all about how to best protect those in gun-free zones that are unable to defend themselves.

Ohio Copper
12-30-2012, 22:45
20 dead kindergarteners pisses off a LOT of people.


Folks who were apathetic are now for gun control and want the problem resolved yesterday.


You can spin it any way you want and stick your fingers in your ear and scream until your lungs burst....those are the facts.


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FLIPPER 348
12-30-2012, 22:49
You can spin it any way you want and stick your fingers in your ear and scream until your lungs burst....those are the facts.





..or you can make up 'facts' like our friend Fox

stevelyn
12-30-2012, 22:56
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/274881-obama-hopes-to-enact-new-gun-control-measures-in-2013

Where are all the deceitful sonso*********es here that said Obama was not going to touch the gun control issue?

Well Duuuuuhhh...... He no longer has to keep up the act.

The problem for Obama and the gun grabbers now is that pesky SCOTUS case of a few years ago, DC v Heller.


Since when have they followed the Constitution?

THis regime makes up the rules as they see fit.

SIG-SOG
12-30-2012, 23:55
The risk of losing is too great for Obama and he isn't going near it until he incites the lefties to a higher level (the so called national discussion). Then the gun advocates will revolt. And Obama will have accomplished what he really wants - to bring this country down. Guns are just a means to an end.

dango
12-31-2012, 06:04
As a man living what I consider to be a righteous life ,( LIVE AND LET LIVE) , there are some things I am willing to go to jail for !

Should these out outrageous bills move forward , they better have some outrageous number of foot soldiers to do the necessary foot work involved (DOOR TO DOOR) to carry this out!

Good luck Obmination with that one......!

Maybe with their "HIGH" tech gizmos and there sniffing dogs they may to some extend be successful to a certain degree but , I've never seen a dog able to over come ammonia and black pepper to well ! Cache seems a logical solution in some cases........!Nice or nasty , I am very flexible !

Fox
12-31-2012, 06:13
Our resident commie says this debate never happened.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/obama-romney-debate-gun-control--town-hall-debate-2012/2012/10/16/3f95a720-1803-11e2-9855-71f2b202721b_video.html


Mitt Romney and President Obama debated gun legislation, the “Fast and Furious” gun-walking scandal and access to assault weapons during the 2012 town hall Presidential Debate at Hofstra University.

Fox
12-31-2012, 06:17
Rahm Emanuel: You never want a serious crisis to go to waste - YouTube

You never want a serious crisis to go to waste - Rahm Emanuel.






20 dead kindergarteners pisses off a LOT of people.


Folks who were apathetic are now for gun control and want the problem resolved yesterday.


You can spin it any way you want and stick your fingers in your ear and scream until your lungs burst....those are the facts.


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Fear Night
12-31-2012, 06:18
He can pound sand all he wants, but that won't make any new gun control into law. For now at least.

You can bet any and every tragedy for the rest of Obama's term will be exploited to its fullest extent so Obama can tell us "I told ya so."

But we better hope control of the House can remain in the Red past 2014, and that our SC justices can hold on for another 4 years.

Baba Louie
12-31-2012, 06:39
“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

In the meeting, she said, Obama discussed how records get into the system and what can be done about firearms retailers. Her husband specifically brought up the proposed ban on large magazine clips, and she noted that even former vice president Dick Cheney had suggested that some restrictions on the clips might make sense.

“He just laughed,” Sarah Brady said approvingly of the president. Both she and her husband, she emphasized, had absolute confidence that the president was committed to regulation. Sarah was right
As he was leaning toward Medvedev in Seoul, Obama was overheard asking for time - "particularly with missile defense" - until he is in a better position politically to resolve such issues.Missiles, not guns or "assault magazines", but perhaps applicable and comparable after the Sandy Hook Massacre.

No one here should act or be surprised.

glockski
12-31-2012, 06:44
Our resident commie says this debate never happened.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/obama-romney-debate-gun-control--town-hall-debate-2012/2012/10/16/3f95a720-1803-11e2-9855-71f2b202721b_video.html
He still will not believe it but he does say he prepared for it.:faint:

glockski
12-31-2012, 07:15
Very well stated. As much as I dislike the man for his economic policies and his questionable patriotism, he did sign into law legal carry in the National Parks. A very dear issue to me. HH
Have fun walking around in the National Parks with your muzzle loader

series1811
12-31-2012, 07:23
The one thing we have going for us is that Obama really doesn't have the leadership skills to get an AWB passed right now.

He wants one, no doubt, but luckily, he is just about as inept as a President can be. That's not good for a lot of issues we need to have addressedf, but it's good for this one.

frank4570
12-31-2012, 07:38
Obama has said he wants gun control all along that isn't something that changed. And the democratic party has gun control in it's platform. That is not something that changed.

It's a gun control party with a gun control president and all they needed was to get voted in and the right opportunity. Everybody who voted for them has encouraged the loss of our second amendment rights.

Providence
12-31-2012, 07:42
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Agonizer
12-31-2012, 08:05
Very well stated. As much as I dislike the man for his economic policies and his questionable patriotism, he did sign into law legal carry in the National Parks. A very dear issue to me. HH

The only reason he signed it is because it was a rider on a bill having to do with credit cards, that he wanted very much to pass.

PrecisionRifleman
12-31-2012, 08:07
He had >50% of the people opposing Obamacare and he certainly ignored the **** outta that.

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12-31-2012, 08:07
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Fail!

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GAFinch
12-31-2012, 08:24
Don't bother, I tried that in another thread, and was told that I simply couldn't admit that I was wrong, while the other party (don't recall who) wouldn't admit that Dec 14th changed EVERYTHING about the gun control debate at the national level.

Nothing happened after Tucson. Nothing happened after Aurora. I would say Tucson - with a Congresswoman as a target/victim - was the PERFECT time if he had wanted to push the issue harder, but mag-caps didn't even make it out of committee. But 20 dead 6 and 7 year olds....anyone that can't figure out that that changes things isn't being intellectually honest.




BTW, it changes the DEBATE. I'm not saying that I support a new ban now, but a LOT of other people are, and a lot of politicians are listening. We just have to stay on top of them.

Voting irregularities in several swing states and he still barely won. Face it, they wanted to wait until after his re-election to go after guns. His campaign wouldn't have let him talk about gun control if they weren't already planning action after his re-election. Democrats are idiots ideologically, but not tactically or strategically.

Z71bill
12-31-2012, 08:42
It has always been about timing -

Rosalynn Carter (wife of 2ND worst POTUS iN modern history) said this -

“A leader takes people where they want to go. A great leader takes people where they don't necessarily want to go, but ought to be.”

I always thought this was true - still do.

Obama has taken it to a whole new level - lead from behind.

Boot Stomper
12-31-2012, 10:46
If the Dems try for a gun control bill there is a strong possibliity we will see Repulicans winning major elections in the 2014 House and Senate race. This is Obama's biggest hold up on pushing for Gun Control legislation.

The gun sales over the past several weeks have got to be grabbing the Democrats attention. It is one thing to vote, it is another thing to pay $1700 to $4000 for a $800 gun (AR15) out of fear.

Or in other words... voting takes only your time, but putting your money where your mouth is, show how serious the American Public is about keeping their gun rights.

Spiffums
12-31-2012, 11:13
Don't bother, I tried that in another thread, and was told that I simply couldn't admit that I was wrong, while the other party (don't recall who) wouldn't admit that Dec 14th changed EVERYTHING about the gun control debate at the national level.

Nothing happened after Tucson. Nothing happened after Aurora. I would say Tucson - with a Congresswoman as a target/victim - was the PERFECT time if he had wanted to push the issue harder, but mag-caps didn't even make it out of committee. But 20 dead 6 and 7 year olds....anyone that can't figure out that that changes things isn't being intellectually honest.




BTW, it changes the DEBATE. I'm not saying that I support a new ban now, but a LOT of other people are, and a lot of politicians are listening. We just have to stay on top of them.

I love how our RIGHTS hinge on 1 crazy man. With this idea Freedom of Religion would have been crushed with Waco and Freedom of the Press would be crushed by the tabloids.

Fox
12-31-2012, 11:41
Obama has said he wants gun control all along that isn't something that changed. And the democratic party has gun control in it's platform. That is not something that changed.

It's a gun control party with a gun control president and all they needed was to get voted in and the right opportunity. Everybody who voted for them has encouraged the loss of our second amendment rights.

You got that right.

HollowHead
12-31-2012, 11:54
The only reason he signed it is because it was a rider on a bill having to do with credit cards, that he wanted very much to pass.

He still signed it. HH

Cubdriver
12-31-2012, 17:44
He still signed it. HH

Yeah, but you can bet long odds that if he didn't want the rest of the bill as much as he did he never would have. The guns in national parks part was the turd he had to swallow to get the rest that he wanted.

-Pat

jbailey8
12-31-2012, 18:10
As a man living what I consider to be a righteous life ,( LIVE AND LET LIVE) , there are some things I am willing to go to jail for !

Should these out outrageous bills move forward , they better have some outrageous number of foot soldiers to do the necessary foot work involved (DOOR TO DOOR) to carry this out!

Good luck Obmination with that one......!

Maybe with their "HIGH" tech gizmos and there sniffing dogs they may to some extend be successful to a certain degree but , I've never seen a dog able to over come ammonia and black pepper to well ! Cache seems a logical solution in some cases........!Nice or nasty , I am very flexible !^^^^Like he said.
Live and let live.... Don't punish me for living when some crazy A-hole decides to commit a heinous act! The gun is not the offender the crazies are!



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frank4570
12-31-2012, 18:16
Maybe with their "HIGH" tech gizmos and there sniffing dogs they may to some extend be successful to a certain degree but , I've never seen a dog able to over come ammonia and black pepper to well ! Cache seems a logical solution in some cases........!Nice or nasty , I am very flexible !

There is no need for any of that. You can keep your assault weapons and your magazines. You can't however sell them or give them to anybody else. That means when you die your children have to turn them in. And that is the end of the issue.

Baba Louie
12-31-2012, 19:37
And that is the end of the issue. Maybe. Maybe not.

Prohibition of any type always brings black marketeers into play. If and When some type of legislation bans one thing or another (what did Hellers decisions say about that again?) I'd expect the Mexican Drug cartels et al, to branch into importing even more lethal products if the demand and profit is big enough. How many full auto AKs are in existance? +/- 70 million?

Think anyone off shore will begin building ARs?

Not saying that will occur, but when Canada put a huge tax on tobacco products, didn't they have issues with smugglers bringing smokes in? When Great Britain banned handguns, didn't they begin to see smuggling of illicit weaponry into their island. Al Capone?

At least if I was going to write and pass legislation of this type it is a concern I would feel the need to address as well, because it will occur if human nature remains on track.