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Mr981
12-31-2012, 21:08
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323820104578213242594177744.html?mod=us_news_newsreel

1) $60 billion in new taxes.
2) Unless I missed it, not a word on spending cuts.

Can't wait to hear McConnell spin this one if it's all done on the taxing side. BTW, $60 billion a year on a deficit of $1 trillion a year--this is chump change by anyone's measure.

lunarspeak
12-31-2012, 21:21
have you noticed this is the way these things usualy ends....i am under the belief that this deal was done days ago but they denied it to manipulate the stock market..

shotgunred
12-31-2012, 21:24
Still has to make it through the house.

Little Joe
12-31-2012, 21:28
No spending cuts. The Republican's cave again. The spending cuts will be looked at down the road. The long and winding never ending road.

magpie maniac
12-31-2012, 21:30
This is just pretty lights and tinsel. At this point, I'm all for leaping off the fiscal cliff until comprehensive deficit reduction can be accomplished. It's time that every American pays the true cost of government and their subsidized milk and gas, too. We have a standing army that's too darn large, tax laws that discourage savings and investment, and an American legal minefield that few can navigate. The entire system is a mess and I blame both political parties.

concretefuzzynuts
12-31-2012, 21:33
If this is how this is going to end, kiss your black rifles goodbye.

fusegsp
12-31-2012, 21:37
If this is how this is going to end, kiss your black rifles goodbye.Black rifle? Mine's Flat Dark Earth. Does that mean I can keep it?

concretefuzzynuts
12-31-2012, 21:44
Black rifle? Mine's Flat Dark Earth. Does that mean I can keep it?

Then you're safe. I painted mine pink.

G36's Rule
12-31-2012, 21:51
Nothing is done yet.

frank4570
12-31-2012, 22:01
The left wing democrats are in full celebration mode. The republicans do not look good at all.

NEOH212
12-31-2012, 22:05
If this is how this is going to end, kiss your black rifles goodbye.

That pretty much sums up my thoughts as well. We're screwed.

:faint:

elsolo
12-31-2012, 22:54
What I read:

Some tax increases (60 bill /yr)
Everything else postponed for two months

So nothing solved, both sides just agreed to put it off for another 60 days.

Slug71
01-01-2013, 00:14
What I read:

Some tax increases (60 bill /yr)
Everything else postponed for two months

So nothing solved, both sides just agreed to put it off for another 60 days.

Agreed.

Not surprised to see the liberals pi**ed that the threshold is set "so high".....smh.
Idiots.
I'm ok with this going through but whats the point if theres no cuts? Wheres the cut?! :mad:

Paul53
01-01-2013, 04:15
They need time to work loopholes into the cuts so Congress doesn't feel any of the pain of the common citizen. Given themselves gold plated healthcare, great retirement benefits, and many are in the mythical "job creators" category. Still don't know how they kept a strait face talking about "job creators" when unemployment was so high. Think we need a term limits amendment, IMHO.

Paul53
01-01-2013, 04:20
But wait, there's more!When Big O said that if we went over the fiscal cliff he couldn't promise that the military and social security would be paid. He forgot to mention that he and Congress would get paid no matter what!


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!

M&P15T
01-01-2013, 04:31
We have not avoided the fiscal cliff.

Technically, we have driven right off of it.

The Senate has passed something, and voted to extend the dead-line, but nothing has moved forward past the Senate.

Right now, we have driven off the cliff. But the idiots will simply give themselves more time, and still get nothing accomplished.

That article is completely miss-leading, it's nothing more or less than the WSJ and the MSM trying to keep people calm.

mattallamerican
01-01-2013, 05:43
republicans bent over again

walt cowan
01-01-2013, 06:44
does anyone NOW see what i mean about the club? it's all about them and we ain't them. there is no left or right, blue or red, lib or conserve, dem or rep. it's them and you. and you are not nor will you ever be a club member. you will pay the bar tab or have their boot on your neck. screw them, wake the f&^% up!

LoadToadBoss
01-01-2013, 06:47
I thought the Constitution said that revenue raising bills needed to originate in the House, not the Senate. Just another example of how the current administration cannot abide by the rule of law.

Gareth68
01-01-2013, 06:50
Every year we see the politicians thrashing to get something, anything, accomplished in the last week.

It makes you wonder what they do the other 51...

MLM
01-01-2013, 06:59
For once I would actually like to see them reduce spending and talk about raising taxes later.

Yeah, I know,...

MLM
01-01-2013, 07:01
Incidently, what is 60 billion compared to 16 trillion?

jame
01-01-2013, 07:08
Both my guys (an R and a D) voted against.

Naelbis
01-01-2013, 08:28
If you look carefully you will notice that the bill breaks down to roughly $62 billion a year in new revenue....and includes $125 billion in spending this year.

TurboRocket
01-01-2013, 08:46
I occasionally think this is our version of The Matrix.

Restless28
01-01-2013, 08:48
does anyone NOW see what i mean about the club? it's all about them and we ain't them. there is no left or right, blue or red, lib or conserve, dem or rep. it's them and you. and you are not nor will you ever be a club member. you will pay the bar tab or have their boot on your neck. screw them, wake the f&^% up!

Oligarchy.

M2 Carbine
01-01-2013, 11:19
The Republican's cave again.
Suprise, suprise.

Was there any doubt?

I don't know why the Republican party doesn't just change it's name to "Democrat Lite".

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/01/white-house-declares-a-victory-153090.html


I wonder if it's actually true that the Republicans kiss obama's ring during those closed door meetings?

Well, I heard they kiss something.

M&P15T
01-01-2013, 11:25
Still nothing in the news that says anything has actually passed the House.

I find it sad that there are reports everywhere that a deal has been struck, when that is not the case.

aircarver
01-01-2013, 11:50
I emailed my Rep. (Barton) what I thought about the Senate "deal" .....:upeyes:

We'll see ... :frown:

.

Slug71
01-01-2013, 14:47
does anyone NOW see what i mean about the club? it's all about them and we ain't them. there is no left or right, blue or red, lib or conserve, dem or rep. it's them and you. and you are not nor will you ever be a club member. you will pay the bar tab or have their boot on your neck. screw them, wake the f&^% up!

100% agreed.

dango
01-01-2013, 14:59
That pretty much sums up my thoughts as well. We're screwed.

:faint:

We have been screwed since the days of Prescott Bush and the Union Bank Corp. ! We only have much better access to data now and see what's happening.!

Dennis in MA
01-01-2013, 16:42
I find it odd the biggest tax increase is allowing the FICA tax to go back to 6.2%. I read one account its $100B a year.

The I read a Bloomy article how 77% of households will see a tax increase. :upeyes:

They had a great model in Simpson Bowles. Everyone ignored it as political nukulur-cancer. The only people that would have won were the American people.

This isn't over. Debt ceiling isn't a natch. Spending cuts will likely come.

NMG26
01-01-2013, 16:54
Travis Tritt Lord have Mercy on the Working Man - YouTube

Kingarthurhk
01-01-2013, 17:11
I thought the Constitution said that revenue raising bills needed to originate in the House, not the Senate. Just another example of how the current administration cannot abide by the rule of law.

This isn't a revenue raising bill, it merely decides at what level the Bush Era tax breaks cease. So, technically, they aren't writing a bill to increase taxes.

Kingarthurhk
01-01-2013, 17:14
Travis Tritt Lord have Mercy on the Working Man - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuwR3MKolGI)

If the "working man" makes 400k plus, then I definately picked the wrong profession. Were you thinking of the UAW working man, perhaps?:upeyes:

NEOH212
01-01-2013, 17:29
We have been screwed since the days of Prescott Bush and the Union Bank Corp. ! We only have much better access to data now and see what's happening.!

True.

Let me rephrase myself then. We have been screwed and now they're going deeper, faster, and harder.

Does that sum it up better?

NEOH212
01-01-2013, 17:30
Oligarchy.


No.


Olidarky. :whistling:

Tiro Fijo
01-01-2013, 17:31
No.


Olidarky.


:shocked: :faint:

Glock20 10mm
01-01-2013, 18:06
No spending cuts. The Republican's cave again. The spending cuts will be looked at down the road. The long and winding never ending road.

Did I not say they would? The Republicans in office are in the same corrupt circle as the Democrats. Until people finally admit this truth there will be no change other for the worse.

Glock20 10mm
01-01-2013, 18:08
This is just pretty lights and tinsel. At this point, I'm all for leaping off the fiscal cliff until comprehensive deficit reduction can be accomplished. It's time that every American pays the true cost of government and their subsidized milk and gas, too. We have a standing army that's too darn large, tax laws that discourage savings and investment, and an American legal minefield that few can navigate. The entire system is a mess and I blame both political parties.

I blame both parties AND the American people that keep voting the problem back into power.

Glock20 10mm
01-01-2013, 18:10
Nothing is done yet.

You're correct the national goose still needs a bit more time before they can pull it from the oven devoid of any resemblance of the old Republic.

Glock20 10mm
01-01-2013, 18:12
republicans bent over again

Have they ever stood up in the last 4 years?

Glock20 10mm
01-01-2013, 18:14
does anyone NOW see what i mean about the club? it's all about them and we ain't them. there is no left or right, blue or red, lib or conserve, dem or rep. it's them and you. and you are not nor will you ever be a club member. you will pay the bar tab or have their boot on your neck. screw them, wake the f&^% up!

And there you have it, a dead balls on assessment of where we really are and have been the last 12 years.

Glock20 10mm
01-01-2013, 18:15
Every year we see the politicians thrashing to get something, anything, accomplished in the last week.

It makes you wonder what they do the other 51...

Plot and plan how to create or take advantage of any crisis that arises to further screw the American people over.

Kingarthurhk
01-01-2013, 18:45
Every year we see the politicians thrashing to get something, anything, accomplished in the last week.

It makes you wonder what they do the other 51...

Devo - Whip It (Video) - YouTube

I guessing something like this?:dunno:

Slug71
01-02-2013, 02:13
House passed it.

NEOH212
01-02-2013, 02:23
Yes but it still looks like our Social Security tax is going up by 2%.

:steamed:

Slug71
01-02-2013, 02:54
Yes but it still looks like our Social Security tax is going up by 2%.

:steamed:

Oh the whole thing is a mess IMO. Seems the loopholes remain, the leachers still get theirs, the lazy people that sit at home and push out kids for income still get theirs, no cuts......

Restless28
01-02-2013, 05:38
Business as usual. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Averageman
01-02-2013, 05:52
I woke up to this news this morning.
I heard a Republican from Texas say "We just gave him more money to buy votes."

M2 Carbine
01-02-2013, 07:20
House passes 'fiscal cliff' bill

Represents the largest tax increase in 2 decades
Anyone still think there's a Dime's worth of difference between Democrats and Republicans?

G36's Rule
01-02-2013, 07:34
Approx. 90% of Dems voted for this bill. Approx. 35% of Repubs voted for this bill.


Yep, not a dimes worth of difference.


:upeyes:

MLM
01-02-2013, 08:26
Every year we see the politicians thrashing to get something, anything, accomplished in the last week.

It makes you wonder what they do the other 51...

Yeah, the looming cliff only been known about for over a year.
That's like the captain of the Titanic getting a radio message that not only informs him of icebergs in the area but the exact coordinates and still steam full-speed ahead partying the night away. Not until the lookouts actually see the iceberg does the captain tries to steer away after it's too late to entirely avoid the thing.