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teweekley
01-01-2013, 16:49
My best friend from high school was over for the new year. He showed me a $15 lock pick kit that he keeps in his wallet (I mentioned to him he probably wouldn't want to get caught with that in his pocket if he got in trouble for something). In the past, I've read about how to pick locks and how locks work in general. He loaned the set to me to try out on locks around the house. The first and only lock I tried was my front door. To my surprise, I unlocked it in under a minute!:wow: I'm thinking to myself, "Okay, this is not cool. Time to buy newer locks." The locks on my doors are the older type with the popout knob, but are of the 5 tumbler pin type. It's time to replace them anyways.

tarpleyg
01-01-2013, 17:00
Here's a hint...you will NOT find the type of locks you are looking for at Home Depot, Lowe's, or any of the other big box stores. Go to a locksmith or two and get some solid advice.

certifiedfunds
01-01-2013, 17:19
I'd rather my locks get picked than my door kicked in. Locks are to keep the honest people honest.

sheriff733
01-01-2013, 17:22
My best friend from high school was over for the new year. He showed me a $15 lock pick kit that he keeps in his wallet (I mentioned to him he probably wouldn't want to get caught with that in his pocket if he got in trouble for something). In the past, I've read about how to pick locks and how locks work in general. He loaned the set to me to try out on locks around the house. The first and only lock I tried was my front door. To my surprise, I unlocked it in under a minute!:wow: I'm thinking to myself, "Okay, this is not cool. Time to buy newer locks." The locks on my doors are the older type with the popout knob, but are of the 5 tumbler pin type. It's time to replace them anyways.

Know the brand or model number of the kit?

I'd like to try my hand at it.

ChuteTheMall
01-01-2013, 17:24
Medeco locks, made in Virginia (a proud right to work state).:patriot:

crnama
01-01-2013, 17:46
Good luck finding a lock you can't pick. Even the Medeco locks can be picked just go to youtube and you can see it being done. When we moved into our new house I wanted to get some good locks for the doors and reinforce the door jambs. Like others said locks are there only to slow someone down if they want in they will get in it is only a matter of time.

*ASH*
01-01-2013, 17:49
replace the doors , locks dont mean squat , get a high security reinforced door with pins .

costly thou

The Fed
01-01-2013, 17:53
You guys are way behind the times. Never heard of bump keys?

Bump Key HOWTO - YouTube

Gunny Lingus
01-01-2013, 17:59
Read up on lock bumping and bump key before you buy. It's a technique that picks a lock very quickly.

The Fed
01-01-2013, 18:06
Here's a better explanation for those who don't know how works work. My brother was a locksmith and I play around with locks when necessary.

Pick a Lock in SECONDS with a Bump Key - Scam School - YouTube

Huaco Kid
01-01-2013, 18:40
I had a neighbor that bought a very, very expensive front and rear door with top of the line locks. For the safety of his family.

He seemed to not realize that his front door had a foot-wide piece of glass, floor to ceiling, on each side of it.

>> He was the same guy, after he bought the doors, that I bet I could get into his house in two minutes, without using tools (or breaking his front door glass).

He accepted the bet until he found out that I was going to pull down some vinyl siding, move some fluffy insulation out of the way and push through the drywall into his kitchen. >>

wrenrj1
01-01-2013, 18:48
That's why I have these big plywood things hanging inside and above every door with big spikes that swing down when the door is opened. Overkill? I think not. Come on in mister handy key man...

-Jack Handy (not).

teweekley
01-01-2013, 19:36
Know the brand or model number of the kit?

I'd like to try my hand at it.

Sorry, can't help you with the brand or model. My buddy said he bought it online for $15. Here's a picture of it if you want to search it out. It's the size of a credit card and about as thick as three stacked cards.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-YPsaitnhP4Y/UOOca68GZRI/AAAAAAAAAe0/hueZz1pXff8/s800/130101_0000.jpg

teweekley
01-01-2013, 19:42
Here's two sources I found for the kit:

http://dx.com/p/credit-card-lock-picking-pocket-wallet-kit-5-piece-set-36264

http://www.trueswords.com/credit-card-wallet-sized-lock-picking-case-p-5947.html

NorthernAlpine
01-01-2013, 19:42
Good luck finding a lock you can't pick. Even the Medeco locks can be picked just go to youtube and you can see it being done. When we moved into our new house I wanted to get some good locks for the doors and reinforce the door jambs. Like others said locks are there only to slow someone down if they want in they will get in it is only a matter of time.

The # of people who can actually pick a Medeco is absurdly small, despite what Youtube would have you believe. They are more expensive but work only as well as your door is solid.

Call a locksmith and ask him if he carries modified/anti-pick pins for your brand of locks you currently have installed. You can keep the same locks, same keys, and just have 2-3 new pins installed on your doors. Should save you enough to buy door reinforcement kits for your doors.

The reality is though, is entry to your house via a broken window just as easy? If someone wants to get in, they're going to get in.

cowboywannabe
01-01-2013, 19:49
get an alarm that has a battery and cell phoen back up....

certifiedfunds
01-01-2013, 19:49
I had a neighbor that bought a very, very expensive front and rear door with top of the line locks. For the safety of his family.

He seemed to not realize that his front door had a foot-wide piece of glass, floor to ceiling, on each side of it.

>> He was the same guy, after he bought the doors, that I bet I could get into his house in two minutes, without using tools (or breaking his front door glass).

He accepted the bet until he found out that I was going to pull down some vinyl siding, move some fluffy insulation out of the way and push through the drywall into his kitchen. >>

You have completely ignored the romex barrier at knee level

G17Jake
01-01-2013, 20:48
At the last apartment I lived in, a woman from an apartment upstairs from me asked to use my phone because she was locked out.

I asked her if she locked the deadbolt. She said no, just the lock in the doorknob. I told her she didn't need a key.

We went upstairs to her door, and with a credit card I opened her door probably faster than she could have with the key.

I told her I always lock the deadbolt and recommended she does too. She agreed.

boone10
01-01-2013, 20:55
My best friend from high school was over for the new year. He showed me a $15 lock pick kit that he keeps in his wallet (I mentioned to him he probably wouldn't want to get caught with that in his pocket if he got in trouble for something). In the past, I've read about how to pick locks and how locks work in general. He loaned the set to me to try out on locks around the house. The first and only lock I tried was my front door. To my surprise, I unlocked it in under a minute!:wow: I'm thinking to myself, "Okay, this is not cool. Time to buy newer locks." The locks on my doors are the older type with the popout knob, but are of the 5 tumbler pin type. It's time to replace them anyways.

Why would somebody have such a kit on them at all times? That just screams CRIMINAL!

Kevin108
01-01-2013, 20:56
It's pointless to spend a ton of money on door locks without addressing the strength of every penetration in your structure: doors, windows, gable end vents, skylights, etc.

Any average-sized person could kick in the typical residential door, even with a deadbolt, if they know where to focus the pressure. You're not going to keep people out.

The best you can do is secure the most important stuff inside. Rather than hardening every entry point, you'll save tens of thousands of dollars just buying a decent safe.

Why would somebody have such a kit on them at all times? That just screams CRIMINAL!

I have such a kit with me almost all the time. I'm in building maintenance, on-call every 6 weeks and since I live in the same small city in which I work, I'm often called in out of convenience. Like guns, lock picks are just tools. How they are used is up to the owner.

TKM
01-01-2013, 21:00
Why would somebody have such a kit on them at all times? That just screams CRIMINAL!

I used to get locked in security buildings on occasion.

Getting out can be more important than getting in.

I spit at Master Locks.

http://deviating.net/lockpicking/resources.html

wlkjr
01-01-2013, 21:05
I've installed these on several of my customers doors.
http://prime-line-products.com/home4.wcs?nMenuid=6740&cProd=DS&cSProd=030&cProd=DS&cSprod=030&cItem=U+10826
Can't be used when leaving but gives good security when at home.

Adjuster
01-01-2013, 21:11
I used to have access to a gun similar to this one. It worked every time and was very simple to use. It required no special skills or practice. Just stick the pin in the lock and start pulling the trigger. The one I was using appeared to be an antique. It was found in the garage of a house my friends father purchased. It was probably worth some money. It was a full kit in a box with instruction manual that appeared to be maybe from the 1950's by the artwork on the box and the printed manual. No one knew what it was or bothered with it thinking it would require some great locksmithing skill. I read the directions and was opening locks in an hour. Opened several doors for locked out neighbors in the area.

http://dx.com/p/manual-pick-gun-5-piece-set-17606?rt=1&p=2&m=2&r=3&k=1&t=1&s=36264&u=17606


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mixflip
01-01-2013, 21:12
I have a security door but sadly have a huge sliding glass door not far from it. So I just tell myself... always be prepared to deal with a home invader regardless of our steel security door.

captainstormy
01-01-2013, 22:41
Most theives wouldn't even try to pick your lock. someone broke into my neighbors house while I was watching TV one afternoon. Took them one good shoulder check and they were in.

By the time I thought "What was that noise", sat down my soda, muted my TV and and walked over to look out the window they were jumping in their car with around $2K in jewelry and cash in their pockets.

sheriff733
01-02-2013, 07:25
Sorry, can't help you with the brand or model. My buddy said he bought it online for $15. Here's a picture of it if you want to search it out. It's the size of a credit card and about as thick as three stacked cards.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-YPsaitnhP4Y/UOOca68GZRI/AAAAAAAAAe0/hueZz1pXff8/s800/130101_0000.jpg

Here's two sources I found for the kit:

http://dx.com/p/credit-card-lock-picking-pocket-wallet-kit-5-piece-set-36264

http://www.trueswords.com/credit-card-wallet-sized-lock-picking-case-p-5947.html

Awesome.

Thanks.

gatorboy
01-02-2013, 07:37
That's why I have these big plywood things hanging inside and above every door with big spikes that swing down when the door is opened. Overkill? I think not. Come on in mister handy key man...

-Jack Handy (not).

I devised little devices using 3" 000 12 guage, metal pipe and nails but was advised against actually using them since booby-trapping your own property is apparently illegal. Too bad, they worked in window and door applications.

GRIMLET
01-02-2013, 07:43
I took a 2 day class on locks a few years ago.


It really opened my eyes to the false sense of security a lock gives.


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Halojumper
01-02-2013, 07:47
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SC Tiger
01-02-2013, 07:50
Why would somebody have such a kit on them at all times? That just screams CRIMINAL!

I was thinking that too. Even with a good reason to have it I would think it will require an extended conversation with any LEO that were to find it.

Dennis in MA
01-02-2013, 09:48
Medeco locks, made in Virginia (a proud right to work state) can be bumped.:patriot:

Fixed. Just an FYI.

No lock is impenetrable.

That said - I've got Medeco in my house. ;)

And DoorJam Armor. And a shatter-proof storm door on the front door. And shatter-resistant coatings on all first-floor windows and sliders. AND I don't live in the middle of nowhere behind a huge stand of trees where my house isn't visible from the street.

Dennis in MA
01-02-2013, 09:52
I had a neighbor that bought a very, very expensive front and rear door with top of the line locks. For the safety of his family.

He seemed to not realize that his front door had a foot-wide piece of glass, floor to ceiling, on each side of it.

>> He was the same guy, after he bought the doors, that I bet I could get into his house in two minutes, without using tools (or breaking his front door glass).

He accepted the bet until he found out that I was going to pull down some vinyl siding, move some fluffy insulation out of the way and push through the drywall into his kitchen. >>

No plywood sheathing under that vinyl???

certifiedfunds
01-02-2013, 10:33
Where is pbcounty FTW


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beatcop
01-02-2013, 10:46
Check your statutes, having picks w/o purpose can be construed as possession of burglary tools in a lot of areas.

Davers
01-02-2013, 11:09
Do these type of picks work on older [or newer] model car doors?

Davers
01-02-2013, 11:40
Here's a better explanation for those who don't know how works work. My brother was a locksmith and I play around with locks when necessary.

Pick a Lock in SECONDS with a Bump Key - Scam School - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpH_t0u5Ybg&NR=1&feature=endscreen)

Cool. the video was very informative ,even entertaining . [And you get what you pay for],seem's to be true @ least in the case of locks ...but,like many have said ,if someone really wants in they will get in. W ... is why I always have armed security close by.:supergrin:

Halojumper
01-02-2013, 11:41
Do these type of picks work on older [or newer] model car doors?

Car doors usually use a different system than the house door pin/tumbler locks. It's usually just easier to slim jim them.

Halojumper
01-02-2013, 11:43
Check your statutes, having picks w/o purpose can be construed as possession of burglary tools in a lot of areas.

Google the Lockout Specialist Course. In addition to the hard skills, they also give some good info on getting "registered" as a legitimate business, in which case carrying them would be legal (as long as you don't then use them in an illegal manner)

Davers
01-02-2013, 11:49
Car doors usually use a different system than the house door pin/tumbler locks. It's usually just easier to slim jim them.

Thanks for the reply .I've just learned a bit of how locks work [at least door locks].from the scam school video I just watched. Davers.

Dennis in MA
01-02-2013, 11:52
Car doors usually use a different system than the house door pin/tumbler locks. It's usually just easier to slim jim them.

My mechanic was talking security for my 68 Malibu. He said that it would take about 3 seconds to get the thing started. :wow:

Getting in would be a bigger problem This was also the age of the front hood release as well.

Not that I'm leaving it around town much, but a better measure of security is needed. I found that funny.

magpie maniac
01-02-2013, 12:07
get an alarm that has a battery and cell phoen back up....

Exactly. I keep our doors locked, but I don't worry about having state-of-the-art hardware. If someone wants in, they'll get in somehow.

A monitored, backed-up, wireless alarm system with a 95-pound German Shepherd behind the door is my own burglar deterrent method.

FullClip
01-02-2013, 12:43
Another tool that can get into almost any home, we call it "The Down East Lock Pick....

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/12/24/news/penobscot/chain-saw-used-to-break-into-lincoln-home-police-say/


If ya' live in the woods, no need to be sneaky.:upeyes:

malleable
01-02-2013, 17:53
tagged for interesting topic

teweekley
01-03-2013, 10:43
Why would somebody have such a kit on them at all times? That just screams CRIMINAL!

By the same logic, somebody having a gun on them at all times screams MURDERER!

Just as there are gun enthusiasts who mean no ill will, there are lock picking enthusiasts that pick locks as a hobby with their own property.


I was thinking that too. Even with a good reason to have it I would think it will require an extended conversation with any LEO that were to find it.

Nothing in the WV Code prohibits possession of lock picking tools. Good point though and I've mentioned it to him.

2bgop
01-03-2013, 11:41
I've installed these on several of my customers doors.
http://prime-line-products.com/home4.wcs?nMenuid=6740&cProd=DS&cSProd=030&cProd=DS&cSprod=030&cItem=U+10826
Can't be used when leaving but gives good security when at home.

I have one on every door. Someone could always break down door, but it going to take more time and make a hell of a lot of noise. That is about the most I can ask for.

AK_Stick
01-03-2013, 13:33
Medeco locks, made in Virginia (a proud right to work state).:patriot:

+1
Good luck finding a lock you can't pick. Even the Medeco locks can be picked just go to youtube and you can see it being done. When we moved into our new house I wanted to get some good locks for the doors and reinforce the door jambs. Like others said locks are there only to slow someone down if they want in they will get in it is only a matter of time.

Yes, they can be picked. But pretty much only by real professionals. A lot of lock smithing types won't even attempt it.

But locks are only 1 part.

Good security doors, great locks, door jamb armor = a door you won't just kick in.

nursetim
01-03-2013, 15:46
Install 6 locks and lock every other one. If someone picks one lock they will lock the next, it'll keep the occupied for the hour until the po po shows up.

Cybercowboy
01-03-2013, 16:06
I count on great neighbors and a decent neighborhood. If they want in, there are about 30 windows they can break before they even think about kicking a door in.

Powermwt
01-03-2013, 16:43
What about using one of the various keyless locks that uses a card to get in and has no key to bump or pick?



My dogs seem to work for me.

randyr5
01-03-2013, 17:58
http://www.asafehome.net/

vettely
01-03-2013, 18:06
I count on great neighbors and a decent neighborhood. If they want in, there are about 30 windows they can break before they even think about kicking a door in.
This. If a burglar wants in they are most likely not going to waste time picking or bumping your lock.

ray9898
01-03-2013, 19:07
I have been to hundreds of burglaries and I can say not one had a picked lock. Kicked and pryed doors, broken windows and one even pushed up the soffit under the front porch, accessed the attic and dropped through the sheetrock ceiling.

nursetim
01-03-2013, 19:36
Are you confessing ray? :supergrin:

Adjuster
01-03-2013, 19:42
As an insurance adjuster I have also investigated several broken into homes. Not a single one with a picked lock. For me most common entry method is a sliding glass door either smashed glass or the door frame pried from the latch.


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ray9898
01-03-2013, 19:45
Are you confessing ray? :supergrin:

LOL....nope. Proof is I would have just kicked the door in on the odd ball one. No way I would crawl through the attic and get insulation on me on a hot summer day.

gatorboy
01-03-2013, 22:03
I have been to hundreds of burglaries and I can say not one had a picked lock. Kicked and pryed doors, broken windows and one even pushed up the soffit under the front porch, accessed the attic and dropped through the sheetrock ceiling.

Yep, skylights are easily breached also. Unless you have dogs (and live within earshot of a handgun to neighbors) and/or alarm system with a motion beam; a determined scumbag is in.

I believe in multiple vehicles that are actually used with alternating garage storage with at least one inside at all times. Most won't take the odd's.

xArcher
01-03-2013, 22:48
replace the doors , locks dont mean squat , get a high security reinforced door with pins .

costly thou

Windows / glass

xArcher
01-03-2013, 22:54
get an alarm that has a battery and cell phoen back up....

We have one of these systems, the wife wants it. I feel it is worthless .... what is the law enforcement time in your area? The "monitored by" sign in the front yard and window stickers are the deterrent. The softer target is next door.

teweekley
01-04-2013, 04:54
Yep, skylights are easily breached also. Unless you have dogs (and live within earshot of a handgun to neighbors) and/or alarm system with a motion beam; a determined scumbag is in.

I have a city cop that lives across the yard and a "wanna-be" killer Shih-Tzu in the house.:supergrin:

gatorboy
01-05-2013, 00:37
I have a city cop that lives across the yard and a "wanna-be" killer Shih-Tzu in the house.:supergrin:

My three dogs are just shy of 100# each. The alarm system is as much to keep them safe from scum and fire as it is for my "stuff". I have safes for the guns and really good stuff, garage for vehicles not being used. Usually don't arm it unless we're out. Houses around here had the garages broken in, pulled the attic ladder down and jumped inside the house though the ceiling. They were also scoped for days and weeks before (vacations, old folks in hospital, etc.).

Kevin108
01-05-2013, 10:07
Install 6 locks and lock every other one. If someone picks one lock they will lock the next, it'll keep the occupied for the hour until the po po shows up.

Except people that know how to pick locks also know which way to turn them for the lock and unlock functions. :wavey: