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vtducrider
01-04-2013, 17:43
Sigforum.com is owned privately. The owner is banning members from selling gun-related items at higher than list prices. I can see points from both sides... Thoughts?

RenoF250
01-04-2013, 17:46
Sigforum.com is owned privately. The owner is banning members from selling gun-related items at higher than list prices. I can see points from both sides... Thoughts?

He is a communist plain and simple. If the price is too high, no one will buy it.

Restless28
01-04-2013, 17:47
Bravo for them.

OctoberRust
01-04-2013, 17:49
Bravo for them.


I understand it's a private forum, and the owner is free to do as he pleases, but is there some axe you have to grind with capitalism?

...You can't have it both ways.

elsolo
01-04-2013, 17:50
Does it matter what the MSRP is when none are available?

Restless28
01-04-2013, 17:54
It's his site, his rules, his right to run it as he sees fit.

bushhogg
01-04-2013, 17:55
elsolo; Sir, ya said it all............

OctoberRust
01-04-2013, 17:56
It's his site, his rules, his right to run it as he sees fit.


Yep, as idiot as his thinking is. It seems you endorse that sort of thinking, too. :rofl:

He'll also lose views, which can = loss ad generated revenue. To each their own though, I can always tell who has absolutely no logic and business sense on this forum though. Good job dude! You stuck it to the man, bro! What next? an occupy wall street protest from you? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

countrygun
01-04-2013, 17:59
Yep, as idiot as his thinking is. It seems you endorse that sort of thinking, too. :rofl:

He'll also lose views, which can = loss ad generated revenue. To each their own though, I can always tell who has absolutely no logic and business sense on this forum though. Good job dude! You stuck it to the man, bro! What next? an occupy wall street protest from you? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

sigforum doesn't have advertisers.

Next comment?

Beretta92guy
01-04-2013, 18:00
Mike Packwood (aka Parabellum) is an egotistical jerk who thinks he is God because he runs a message board.......can't stand him or his forum.....

OctoberRust
01-04-2013, 18:00
sigforum doesn't have advertisers.

Next comment?


The rest of my post stands true.

So, back to my previous comment. He has every right to make any idiotic decision he wants on his private forum. It doesn't change the fact it's stupid.

vtducrider
01-04-2013, 18:01
I am a proponent of free market. Things are worth what people are willing to pay for them. No different than buy low and sell high on the stock market. The recent gold rush that drove the price to record numbers was a frenzy very similar to what's happening to our hobby. How do you regulate that without abandoning capitalism? Besides, not everyone is profiteering - many people who bought high during the ban years might try to recover their losses. How do you differentiate those ads?

countrygun
01-04-2013, 18:04
The rest of my post stands true.

So, back to my previous comment. He has every right to make any idiotic decision he wants on his private forum. It doesn't change the fact it's stupid.

If he doesn't lose money from it, then how is it "stupid"? Because he is doing what he thinks is right, that makes it "stupid" ?

coming from some people I could understand that.

and BTW I don't like the owner of sigforum at all, but he isn't stupid.

Restless28
01-04-2013, 18:04
I think it's pretty low class for Glock Talk members to be labeling the site owner a communist and running him down here.

But, I'm not surprised, as the level of hate and pool of haters here gets dumber by the thread.

Averageman
01-04-2013, 18:07
Having owned two Sig rifles, the Sig SWAT Patrol and the Sig 556R, both early production guns, I would say; the biggest profiteer who sold price inflated goods was SIG Sauer.
Biggest pieces of crap to ever have a shoulder stock attatched to it.

countrygun
01-04-2013, 18:07
Mike Packwood (aka Parabellum) is an egotistical jerk who thinks he is God because he runs a message board.......can't stand him or his forum.....

We don't need to bash other forums or the owners to discuss the topic.


(even if I agree....:whistling:)

M&P Shooter
01-04-2013, 18:08
I 100% stand by his decision. It's ridiculous for gun owners to buy out a local store's stash of stripped AR lowers at $135 each then hold them hostage for $400 to $500 each:steamed:

countrygun
01-04-2013, 18:08
Having owned two Sig rifles, the Sig SWAT Patrol and the Sig 556R, both early production guns, I would say; the biggest profiteer who sold price inflated goods was SIG Sauer.
Biggest pieces of crap to ever have a shoulder stock attatched to it.

and this has to do with Sigforum????

TSAX
01-04-2013, 18:09
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ21ryHp-UcZvAiy8nFgahPED_WHMuEkr9daovugQ2AWWkfftRAvA (http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&sa=N&tbo=d&biw=985&bih=555&tbm=isch&tbnid=RriGYLkD-pKCSM:&imgrefurl=http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1415120_anyone_else_notice_that_m4_carbine_net_is_dying_.html&docid=ZeZne2OlevUazM&imgurl=http://i50.tinypic.com/2ms0ah5.jpg&w=400&h=300&ei=SX3nUMvEEMKDjAKe9YDQCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=381&vpy=247&dur=761&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=151&ty=98&sig=108810756754553796892&page=4&tbnh=135&tbnw=180&start=58&ndsp=23&ved=1t:429,r:78,s:0,i:385)





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certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 18:10
No issues here.

1. It's his site.

2. He sees what is causing the problem and actually chooses to do something about it......or at least not participate in it.

3. Many of the same people who will criticize his decision will simultaneously criticize retailers for mythical "price gouging"

Personally, I'd just arrange a cut for myself and let them sell.

OctoberRust
01-04-2013, 18:10
If he doesn't lose money from it, then how is it "stupid"? Because he is doing what he thinks is right, that makes it "stupid" ?

coming from some people I could understand that.

and BTW I don't like the owner of sigforum at all, but he isn't stupid.


Well, if he's not gaining revenue from generating hits on his site, there's your first clue he lacks business sense.

I don't know why you're making a mountain out of a molehill. It's HIS forum, we've established that. It's still a dumb decision since it generates less hits. Then again, if he's not gaining revenue by hits on his site, maybe he's ultimately saving money. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

*ASH*
01-04-2013, 18:10
well this thread might go EPIC . :rofl::rofl:

drawing moths to a lantern lol


FOR THE RECORD , WHO CARES and yeah the owner there is a prick

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 18:11
I 100% stand by his decision. It's ridiculous for gun owners to buy out a local store's stash of stripped AR lowers at $135 each then hold them hostage for $400 to $500 each:steamed:

They aren't holding them hostage. You can buy them.

attrapereves
01-04-2013, 18:12
I understand why gun shops are charging more. Because they don't think they will be able to get any more product in for a long time. However, most people on classifieds charging $60 for Glock mags probably paid $25 for them before the scare. If someone with deep pockets will pay it, why the hell not?

As someone said on reddit: "a lot of gun owners are socialists when they want to buy, capitalists when they want to sell."

Glock20 10mm
01-04-2013, 18:12
Sig what?

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 18:13
He should let top level paid members only sell above msrp

OctoberRust
01-04-2013, 18:13
No issues here.

1. It's his site.

2. He sees what is causing the problem and actually chooses to do something about it......or at least not participate in it.

3. Many of the same people who will criticize his decision will simultaneously criticize retailers for mythical "price gouging"

Personally, I'd just arrange a cut for myself and let them sell.

Exactly. Which just further supports my earlier comments on the owner of the sig forum. I would have done the same thing you would have, if I were him. I guess some on here would rather whine and ban, over actually making some cash. :rofl:

countrygun
01-04-2013, 18:14
Well, if he's not gaining revenue from generating hits on his site, there's your first clue he lacks business sense.

I don't know why you're making a mountain out of a molehill. It's HIS forum, we've established that. It's still a dumb decision since it generates less hits. Then again, if he's not gaining revenue by hits on his site, maybe he's ultimately saving money. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Maybe because he made a moral and ethical decision and some people can't relate to that if it wouldn't be of financial benefit.

Things like that make some folks nervous because they can't relate.

jollygreen
01-04-2013, 18:14
Sigforum.com is owned privately. The owner is banning members from selling gun-related items at higher than list prices. I can see points from both sides... Thoughts?

Are you somebody he's banned for price gouging? He has some rules to participate in his classifieds. One is that you can't just come onto SF and post nothing except items for sale.

Another rule that he announced recently was that there would be no nonsense of people asking exhorbitant prices during the current panic.

I like his rules. Like I asked, did you get banned for gouging? Are you the nitwit here?

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/350601935/m/8990086903

And here?

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/350601935/m/6250096903?r=7350007903#7350007903

Para runs a tight ship. Forums like the High Road and the Firing Line moderate like a bunch of egotistical lunch room monitors. Some sites are loaded with ads and want as much traffic as possible so they can maximize revenue, hence, there's no moderation and the sites are anarchy.

I like Sigforum just fine. You don't like it? Start your own.

Eric
01-04-2013, 18:14
I think it's pretty low class for Glock Talk members to be labeling the site owner a communist and running him down here.

But, I'm not surprised, as the level of hate and pool of haters here gets dumber by the thread.

Look, if you are so unhappy here, why do you keep coming back? I have lost count of the number of insulting posts you have made about this site's membership, yet here you are. If you truly hold this site in such disdain, you can always vote with your feet. Eric

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 18:15
As someone said on reddit: "a lot of gun owners are socialists when they want to buy, capitalists when they want to sell."

That is freakin' beautiful!! :rofl:

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 18:17
Maybe because he made a moral and ethical decision and some people can't relate to that if it wouldn't be of financial benefit.

Things like that make some folks nervous because they can't relate.

What moral or ethical principles did he follow?

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 18:18
Eric reads this stuff? :shocked:

Beretta92guy
01-04-2013, 18:18
We don't need to bash other forums or the owners to discuss the topic.


(even if I agree....:whistling:)

sorry, but i call a spade, a spade!!!!

Brucev
01-04-2013, 18:18
It's his site, his rules, his right to run it as he sees fit.

Agree. 100%.

gjk5
01-04-2013, 18:19
I think this is the 5th or 6th time I have posted this in the last week:

GNG is full of hypocrites.


I love to see a bunch of "conservatives" bash capitalism. He is of course free to do with his site as he pleases, but the market sets the price, not him.

countrygun
01-04-2013, 18:21
What moral or ethical principles did he follow?

why am I not surprised you don't recognize them ? No experience?

TSAX
01-04-2013, 18:23
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLINFiZAiCOcXR27DpCgyqwmm4JOUIiu0SszWLDYhSPHjhGdoBkg (http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&sa=N&tbo=d&biw=985&bih=555&tbm=isch&tbnid=_gEGSOxvMS0kCM:&imgrefurl=http://www.cs.washington.edu/education/courses/cse154/12au/lectures/12-05/slides.html&docid=_QMH5f1tGE8exM&imgurl=http://www.cs.washington.edu/education/courses/cse154/12au/lectures/slides/images/group_hug.jpg&w=206&h=300&ei=UYDnUKqdG8i6iwLBioCoBA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=781&vpy=67&dur=2565&hovh=240&hovw=164&tx=101&ty=134&sig=108810756754553796892&page=5&tbnh=136&tbnw=94&start=75&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:84,s:0,i:416)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEBOL6oYwdE







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elsolo
01-04-2013, 18:25
Somebody please explain to me how it is more ethical to prevent the free exchange of goods by consenting parties?

If a guy really wants to buy a Sig today, doesn't care that he has to pay a premium for his poor market timing, why not let him?

Why is it more ethical to demand sellers price their goods below current average market pricing (based on current auction selling prices)?

Please, somebody explain why interfering with the secondary market is more ethical than letting buyers and sellers determine the value of goods and services.

countrygun
01-04-2013, 18:25
Did it ever occur to anyone that he doesn't allow people on the forum just for the purpose of buying and selling in the classifieds? they are pretty much a convenience to the members and he might not want to have a flood of people lining up to join and to get a crack at the classifieds ? Since it is between contributing members (and he will toss you if you just use the classifieds) maybe he just doesn't want the hassles

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 18:25
why am I not surprised you don't recognize them ? No experience?

I'm slow witted. Tell me which ethical and moral principles did he follow?

vtducrider
01-04-2013, 18:26
Are you somebody he's banned for price gouging? He has some rules to participate in his classifieds. One is that you can't just come onto SF and post nothing except items for sale.

Another rule that he announced recently was that there would be no nonsense of people asking exhorbitant prices during the current panic.

I like his rules. Like I asked, did you get banned for gouging? Are you the nitwit here?

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/350601935/m/8990086903

And here?

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/350601935/m/6250096903?r=7350007903#7350007903

Para runs a tight ship. Forums like the High Road and the Firing Line moderate like a bunch of egotistical lunch room monitors. Some sites are loaded with ads and want as much traffic as possible so they can maximize revenue, hence, there's no moderation and the sites are anarchy.

I like Sigforum just fine. You don't like it? Start your own.

Short answer is NO. There had been 17 pages of comments on the Sigforum thread when I saw it. People were getting banned from their site for expressing any opinion that didn't agree with the owner, who was not being constructive in dealing with it. I can appreciate his ideals, and respect his prerogatives. Although as an observer, I don't agree with his tactics.

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 18:27
Somebody please explain to me how it is more ethical to prevent the free exchange of goods by consenting parties?

If a guy really wants to buy a Sig today, doesn't care that he has to pay a premium for his poor market timing, why not let him?

Why is it more ethical to demand sellers price their goods below current average market pricing (based on current auction selling prices)?

Please, somebody explain why interfering with the secondary market is more ethical than letting buyers and sellers determine the value of goods and services.

countrygun is a business ethics and morals expert. I asked him the same question. He launched a personal attack so I asked him again. I anticipate an actual answer to be forthcoming shortly.:wavey:

countrygun
01-04-2013, 18:28
I'm slow witted. Tell me which ethical and moral principles did he follow?

That would be like trying to describe the color "blue" to a blind man.

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 18:29
That would be like trying to describe the color "blue" to a blind man.

2 responses now, 2 personal attacks but still no answer to a simple question.

Which moral and business ethics principles did he apply?

gjk5
01-04-2013, 18:32
2 responses now, 2 personal attacks but still no answer to a simple question.

Which moral and business ethics principles did he apply?

that's because he can't bear to just come out and say what he is implying.

countrygun
01-04-2013, 18:35
2 responses now, 2 personal attacks but still no answer to a simple question.

Which moral and business ethics principles did he apply?

Well it could be he has a moral objection to profiteering on his site and he gets to define profiteering because it is his site.

Now "Mr. Private Property' do you have an objection to someone establishing his own rules on his own property?

Maybe he objects to having to sort out disputes on his classifirds section.

maybe he doesn't want to have people joining under false pretenses of participation, just to cruise the classifieds.

OctoberRust
01-04-2013, 18:36
Maybe because he made a moral and ethical decision and some people can't relate to that if it wouldn't be of financial benefit.

Things like that make some folks nervous because they can't relate.


Moral and Ethical is generally subjective.

But don't let that get in the way of your opinion.

Me personally, I have no problem when my fellow americans make a buck or two from the free market. But hey, there's plenty of hypocrites on GT, join the crowd!

gjk5
01-04-2013, 18:42
Moral and Ethical is generally subjective.

But don't let that get in the way of your opinion.

Me personally, I have no problem when my fellow americans make a buck or two from the free market. But hey, there's plenty of hypocrites on GT, join the crowd!

:thumbsup: yessir.

TK-421
01-04-2013, 18:43
It's his site, he can do whatever he wants with it. If he wants to ban people for selling at more than an item is worth, he can go ahead and do it. It just means those people will take their business elsewhere. If he wants to do it, and ends up losing money from it, why the hell do you care? What difference does it make to you? It's not your money that's being lost, so why stick your nose in someone else's business when they didn't invite you to stick your nose there? Let people make their own decisions, and let them deal with the consequences on their own. Don't try to force your beliefs upon other people, and call them stupid when they don't do what you want them to do.

No, that wasn't pointed at anybody in particular, just people in general who call him a communist or claim he doesn't know what capitalism, and all that other stupid stuff the hateful people are spewing.

countrygun
01-04-2013, 18:44
Moral and Ethical is generally subjective.

But don't let that get in the way of your opinion.

Me personally, I have no problem when my fellow americans make a buck or two from the free market. But hey, there's plenty of hypocrites on GT, join the crowd!

I have been in business for myself for most of my adult life and was successful enough. I understand profits, I understand charging what the market will bear and I have done well on the side with gold and silver, but (and this is the part you and other squirrels around here don't grasp)

I can support someone's right to follow, legally, their own conscience in business decisions, and property decisions, even if I don't agree with or wouldn't do it myself. The RIGHT to make those decisions is important. It should be respected and someone is not automatically "stupid" or making a 'stupid' decision because someone doesn't agree with it.

vtducrider
01-04-2013, 18:47
Well it could be he has a moral objection to profiteering on his site and he gets to define profiteering because it is his site.

Now "Mr. Private Property' do you have an objection to someone establishing his own rules on his own property?

Maybe he objects to having to sort out disputes on his classifirds section.

maybe he doesn't want to have people joining under false pretenses of participation, just to cruise the classifieds.

Would you question your morals and ethics when you see your retirement investment grow? I admit that I was ecstatic when the Science and Technology fund I invested in returned nearly 150% in profit in a 12-month period back in the early 2000's. Assuming you would have the same reaction, can you explain how the price increase on pmags is different?

Dubble-Tapper
01-04-2013, 18:48
who cares, its his forum.

but, it seems, a lot of gun owners are pro-capitalism when it benefits them, but anti when it doesnt.

Eric
01-04-2013, 18:49
I have been in business for myself for most of my adult life and was successful enough. I understand profits, I understand charging what the market will bear and I have done well on the side with gold and silver, but (and this is the part you and other squirrels around here don't grasp)

I can support someone's right to follow, legally, their own conscience in business decisions, and property decisions, even if I don't agree with or wouldn't do it myself. The RIGHT to make those decisions is important. It should be respected and someone is not automatically "stupid" or making a 'stupid' decision because someone doesn't agree with it.

You know, if you had led with these considered comments, instead of insults, I would have more respect for your position on this. Eric

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 18:50
Well it could be he has a moral objection to profiteering on his site and he gets to define profiteering because it is his site.



Allowing people to buy and sell items at the market price is immoral? Is that just your opinion?

Now "Mr. Private Property' do you have an objection to someone establishing his own rules on his own property?



Unsolicited personal attack #4 See post #20 :wavey:

Maybe he objects to having to sort out disputes on his classifirds section.



Could be. I wouldn't blame him.

maybe he doesn't want to have people joining under false pretenses of participation, just to cruise the classifieds.

joining a forum to sell on their classifieds is "false pretenses"?

Really?


So after all of that, I'll ask a 4th time. Its a really simple question that I'm sure you can answer since you stated this so confidently:

What business ethics or moral principles is he employing here?

jollygreen
01-04-2013, 18:50
There had been 17 pages of comments on the Sigforum thread when I saw it.

What are you talking about? 17 pages where?

rilkil23
01-04-2013, 18:51
What exactly is a Sig?


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JDennis
01-04-2013, 18:53
I can agree both ways. I would give 1000 for a 700 dollar s&w 15 or 1700 for a 1100 dollar colt le6920 right now. That is reasonable to me. But anything north of 200% of the msrp a month ago is just stupidity if you buy it. On the other hand the demand is high. So prices above msrp within reason is warranted right now.

vtducrider
01-04-2013, 18:53
It's his site, he can do whatever he wants with it. If he wants to ban people for selling at more than an item is worth, he can go ahead and do it. It just means those people will take their business elsewhere. If he wants to do it, and ends up losing money from it, why the hell do you care? What difference does it make to you? It's not your money that's being lost, so why stick your nose in someone else's business when they didn't invite you to stick your nose there? Let people make their own decisions, and let them deal with the consequences on their own. Don't try to force your beliefs upon other people, and call them stupid when they don't do what you want them to do.

No, that wasn't pointed at anybody in particular, just people in general who call him a communist or claim he doesn't know what capitalism, and all that other stupid stuff the hateful people are spewing.

No one is disputing his prerogative. I have no problem with him banning those ads. I started this discussion to see what GT'ers opinions are over his action.

And, do you realize the advise you gave can be applied to the owner of SF? Rather perfectly.

OctoberRust
01-04-2013, 18:55
I have been in business for myself for most of my adult life and was successful enough. I understand profits, I understand charging what the market will bear and I have done well on the side with gold and silver, but (and this is the part you and other squirrels around here don't grasp)

I can support someone's right to follow, legally, their own conscience in business decisions, and property decisions, even if I don't agree with or wouldn't do it myself. The RIGHT to make those decisions is important. It should be respected and someone is not automatically "stupid" or making a 'stupid' decision because someone doesn't agree with it.


Just read the quote below.

Would you question your morals and ethics when you see your retirement investment grow? I admit that I was ecstatic when the Science and Technology fund I invested in returned nearly 150% in profit in a 12-month period back in the early 2000's. Assuming you would have the same reaction, can you explain how the price increase on pmags is different?

Exactly. I'm done with this topic. My case has been long since rested. Good post though VT.

As always, it's the usual suspects that come on here and put logic before emotion, that I usually agree with.

countrygun
01-04-2013, 18:56
Would you question your morals and ethics when you see your retirement investment grow? I admit that I was ecstatic when the Science and Technology fund I invested in returned nearly 150% in profit in a 12-month period back in the early 2000's. Assuming you would have the same reaction, can you explain how the price increase on pmags is different?

I never said it was different. Show me where I did. I do not use the term "profiteering" as a pejorative.

This is about his right to say "it's wrong"
and enforce it on his property. Or to ban it for whatever reason he likes. I do understand that there are people who think profiteering, from other gun owners, is wrong. I recognize it, whether I agree or not, and I respect their right to their opinions and actions on their property.

I think it's funny that so many here claim to be all about "individual rights with their property" and yet they get bent when someone else makes a decision, with their property, that these folks don't agree with.

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 18:57
I have been in business for myself for most of my adult life and was successful enough. I understand profits, I understand charging what the market will bear and I have done well on the side with gold and silver, but (and this is the part you and other squirrels around here don't grasp)

I can support someone's right to follow, legally, their own conscience in business decisions, and property decisions, even if I don't agree with or wouldn't do it myself. The RIGHT to make those decisions is important. It should be respected and someone is not automatically "stupid" or making a 'stupid' decision because someone doesn't agree with it.

Large businesses today take ethics very, very seriously because the fines for corrupt practices can be significant. I myself am bound by an ethics contract. Ethics aren't determined by people doing whatever their conscience allows in business decisions.

You said:

Maybe because he made a moral and ethical decision and some people can't relate to that if it wouldn't be of financial benefit.



So I'm still wondering exactly what moral or ethical principles he employed when deciding not to let people exchange goods freely at a market price?

As you can see in post 20, I support his decision. I'm just interested in learning more about the ethical and moral aspect of his decision, from your perspective.

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 19:00
I can agree both ways. I would give 1000 for a 700 dollar s&w 15 or 1700 for a 1100 dollar colt le6920 right now. That is reasonable to me. But anything north of 200% of the msrp a month ago is just stupidity if you buy it. On the other hand the demand is high. So prices above msrp within reason is warranted right now.

What about a guy who's flush with cash but doesn't have any guns and now wants to buy before the government bans them. He might think double msrp is completely reasonable. Should he not be allowed to buy?

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 19:03
I never said it was different. Show me where I did. I do not use the term "profiteering" as a pejorative.

This is about his right to say "it's wrong"
and enforce it on his property. Or to ban it for whatever reason he likes. I do understand that there are people who think profiteering, from other gun owners, is wrong. I recognize it, whether I agree or not, and I respect their right to their opinions and actions on their property.

I think it's funny that so many here claim to be all about "individual rights with their property" and yet they get bent when someone else makes a decision, with their property, that these folks don't agree with.

First you said it was an ethical and moral decision.

Which ethical or moral principles was he employing?

BTW, "Profiteering" is, by definition, a pejorative term that implies wrong doing.

Here:

Definition of
profiteering
Business
making high profit unethically
the practice of making an excessive profit, often in a way that is thought to be unethical or dishonest, or has a detrimental effect on others

http://www.qfinance.com/dictionary/profiteering

Eric
01-04-2013, 19:03
I used to have a client who owned a tame (-ish) Bobcat. He was a firearms manufacturer and I built a website for him. He lived in the northeastern fringes of the Phoenix area. I was at his home one evening and we were in his study working on some site plans. It was a pleasant evening and the patio door was open. We had a beautiful view of the foothills and desert.

As we talked, something heavy jumped into my lap and laid down. I looked down to see a 35 pound Bobcat laying there, purring and looking up at me expectantly. Until then, I was unaware that my client owned a Bobcat, so my first assumption was that this thing had wandered in out of the desert and jumped into my lap. Let me tell you, when a wild (you think) Bobcat jumps up, lays in your lap and starts purring, you by-God pet that Bobcat.:supergrin:

Once my client brought me up to speed on his pet, we spent some time talking about the care and feeding of a domesticated (Mostly) Bobcat. It seems that as hardy, healthy and self-reliant Bobcats are in the wild, they are pretty fragile, in captivity. The client told me of the constant struggle to keep the cat's diet regulated and to keep it healthy. It was a cool animal, but it hardly seemed worth all the trouble and it seemed like a suck deal for the poor animal.

Why am I rambling on about this? Well, the free-market system is a lot like that poor Bobcat. In its element and on its own, it is a noble, resilient, tenacious and hardy cat. It is a magnificent creature. In captivity, in an environment where people keep it and try to control it, it becomes frail and it is a struggle to keep it healthy. It seems like there ought to be a lesson for us all in there somewhere. Eric

Snaps
01-04-2013, 19:34
I'm all for it, just because somebody is dumb enough to get ripped off doesn't mean we should support it happening. Wasn't the govt going after people price gouging gas in NY/NJ?

Some folks need protection from themselves

Eric
01-04-2013, 19:38
I'm all for it, just because somebody is dumb enough to get ripped off doesn't mean we should support it happening. Wasn't the govt going after people price gouging gas in NY/NJ?

Some folks need protection from themselves

"Some folks need protection from themselves"

Wasn't that one of Obama's campaign slogans?:supergrin:

Do you honestly think that keeping people from price gouging commodities needed to sustain life is comparable to people selling some types of guns, not all of them mind you, for what the market is willing to bear? I don't see the connection. Eric

Eric
01-04-2013, 19:40
I'm all for it, just because somebody is dumb enough to get ripped off doesn't mean we should support it happening. Wasn't the govt going after people price gouging gas in NY/NJ?

Some folks need protection from themselves


And wouldn't it be an absolutely delicious irony for the government to step in and prevent 'Price Gouging' on firearms, when their ****ery is responsible for the problem, in the first place? Eric

Averageman
01-04-2013, 19:44
and this has to do with Sigforum????

It has this to do with Sig Forum.
If you are upset about price gouging and feel people aren't being treated fairly then supporting Sig when those rifles were going out the door was wrong.
If you want to be all above board then some of the Sig fan club and the Company should have made right by the folks who got some extreamly poor quality rifles at a premium price.
Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.
One of the two Sig rifles I recieved had such poor barrel to reciever fit it was dangerous, it only took about 6 months to get a replacement that was also poorly made.
And that is what it has to do with Sigforum.

countrygun
01-04-2013, 19:47
What business ethics or moral principles is he employing here?

You will notice here that certified funds chose to overlook my explanation, that I provided and he rephrased his question. It originally was,

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds View Post

I'm slow witted. Tell me which ethical and moral principles did he follow?


Notice how he inserted the word "Business" into it and then accused me of not answering? he is known for trying to change the issue to suit his arguments when he has wandered into left field, He overshoots the mark and then wants to move the mark.

There is no proof or evidence that this has anything to do with a decision based on BUSINESS ethics. for all we know the owner of Sigforum has a personal objection and, as his right, doesn't want such things done on his property.

There may be other reasons, but all in all, it comes down to an issue of private property. You have the right to ask whatever you want for your property, or to pay what ever you want for someone else', but the owner of the Forum also has the right to say "Not on my forum"

Funny that people so interested in the right to have control over their property want to judge others for exercising control of their own property.

frank_drebin
01-04-2013, 19:49
I'm amazed at the number of self-proclaimed conservatives that are so anti-capitalism. These are luxury items, not fresh water during Katrina or antibiotics during an outbreak of bacterial meningitis.

G26S239
01-04-2013, 19:54
What exactly is a Sig?


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Sig Sauer is a firearms manufacturer. They are pretty good guns I have a few.
http://sigsauer.com

countrygun
01-04-2013, 19:56
It has this to do with Sig Forum.
If you are upset about price gouging and feel people aren't being treated fairly then supporting Sig when those rifles were going out the door was wrong.
If you want to be all above board then some of the Sig fan club and the Company should have made right by the folks who got some extreamly poor quality rifles at a premium price.
Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.
One of the two Sig rifles I recieved had such poor barrel to reciever fit it was dangerous, it only took about 6 months to get a replacement that was also poorly made.
And that is what it has to do with Sigforum.


"Sigforum" is a name. Sig does not own the forum, advertise on it or have too much to do with it. The owner of the Forum is not a Sig dealer. So the fact that you got a bad Sig doesn't really have anything to do with their classified ad policy.

countrygun
01-04-2013, 19:59
I'm amazed at the number of self-proclaimed conservatives that are so anti-capitalism. These are luxury items, not fresh water during Katrina or antibiotics during an outbreak of bacterial meningitis.

don't put me in that list. I made my living of charging as much as the traffic would bear. I just respect the rights and beliefs of others who view it differently as it affects their property.

JDennis
01-04-2013, 20:04
What about a guy who's flush with cash but doesn't have any guns and now wants to buy before the government bans them. He might think double msrp is completely reasonable. Should he not be allowed to buy?


A guy flush with cash wanting to buy now. Kudos to the guy/gal that snags that uneducated guy. My brother in law was almost one of them. He called me up wanting one of my ARs and was upset at the answer. I bought what I wanted/need. Except for a AK which was a want not a need. But no way would I pay inflated for that. I did find my b-i-l a daniel defense AR locally for 1k yesterday from a private guy. I would have and could have bought it but didn't and passed the deal on to him. I could have made bank on a flush guy. But I see no use in the stupidity outside of reason and necessity. Guys that are flush with cash wanting to buy now vs a couple months ago. Good luck to them. I feel for the guy that wanted and didnt have the means a couple months ago. Those guys deserve the help of us.

Averageman
01-04-2013, 20:09
"Sigforum" is a name. Sig does not own the forum, advertise on it or have too much to do with it. The owner of the Forum is not a Sig dealer. So the fact that you got a bad Sig doesn't really have anything to do with their classified ad policy.
No, I got two bad Sig rifles in a row during a time when they were having some serious QA/QC issues.
Now, if you own a place called Sigforums and know that the company who's name you use is putting out some seriously questionable guns and you continue your support by using that name....how are you any better than the guy who now wants 5 times the price for a U.S.G.I. 30 rnd magazines?
I didn't get one bad rifle from Sig, if you would read my post I recieved two bad rifles, two in a row as a matter of fact.
Now I understand from some people, those folks at Sig are making some fine pistols; but when they started the 556 rifle line though they had no shame. They put out some lemons, I certainly am not the only one who got one either.
Now, was Sig charging a premium price for questionable rifles price gouging?
I suppose you can justify anything if you are enough of a fanboy; but a ho is a ho. At least the guy who is selling the overpriced magazines isnt hiding behind a snappy Logo and running down a good European brand name with a poor design and even worse company policies.

Snaps
01-04-2013, 20:09
"Some folks need protection from themselves"

Wasn't that one of Obama's campaign slogans?:supergrin:

Do you honestly think that keeping people from price gouging commodities needed to sustain life is comparable to people selling some types of guns, not all of them mind you, for what the market is willing to bear? I don't see the connection. Eric
I honestly do think that people don't even know they're being taken advantage of.
Most likely it's the same type of people who are getting millions from some poor widow woman with no children who just wants to help people but still.

It's just morally wrong IMo to take advantage of dumb people and I'm happy to see somebody willing to do something

Snaps
01-04-2013, 20:11
And wouldn't it be an absolutely delicious irony for the government to step in and prevent 'Price Gouging' on firearms, when their ****ery is responsible for the problem, in the first place? Eric

Now that while funny would be impossible. I think they're more than happy to drive prices up to a point where people can't get it. Yet another reason this price gouging needs to stop

countrygun
01-04-2013, 20:12
No, I got two bad Sig rifles in a row during a time when they were having some serious QA/QC issues.
Now, if you own a place called Sigforums and know that the company who's name you use is putting out some seriously questionable guns and you continue your support by using that name....how are you any better than the guy who now wants 5 times the price for a U.S.G.I. 30 rnd magazines?
I didn't get one bad rifle from Sig, if you would read my post I recieved two bad rifles, two in a row as a matter of fact.
Now I understand from some people, those folks at Sig are making some fine pistols; but when they started the 556 rifle line though they had no shame. They put out some lemons, I certainly am not the only one who got one either.
Now, was Sig charging a premium price for questionable rifles price gouging?
I suppose you can justify anything if you are enough of a fanboy; but a ho is a ho. At least the guy who is selling the overpriced magazines isnt hiding behind a snappy Logo and running down a good European brand name with a poor design and even worse company policies.

Eric had better hope you never get a bad Glock

frank_drebin
01-04-2013, 20:15
Seems like many love capitalism and the free-market until it affects something they want to buy.

Sorry, but asking someone to sell Gold for last years price is ****ING retarded and shows a lack of intelligence. Scarcity created the inflation an is more powerful than "list price" the fact that you can buy a Shield for $375 at a shop and resell it for $550 the next day attests to that.

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 20:18
You will notice here that certified funds chose to overlook my explanation, that I provided and he rephrased his question. It originally was,

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds View Post

I'm slow witted. Tell me which ethical and moral principles did he follow?


Notice how he inserted the word "Business" into it and then accused me of not answering? he is known for trying to change the issue to suit his arguments when he has wandered into left field, He overshoots the mark and then wants to move the mark.

There is no proof or evidence that this has anything to do with a decision based on BUSINESS ethics. for all we know the owner of Sigforum has a personal objection and, as his right, doesn't want such things done on his property.

There may be other reasons, but all in all, it comes down to an issue of private property. You have the right to ask whatever you want for your property, or to pay what ever you want for someone else', but the owner of the Forum also has the right to say "Not on my forum"

Funny that people so interested in the right to have control over their property want to judge others for exercising control of their own property.

I asked a simple question and, despite the flurry of personal attacks and the cloud of dust and feathers you're kicking up here, you still haven't answered the question. I believe this is the 5th or 6th time I've asked for you to clarify your earlier point.

I said business ethics because we're talking about ETHICS IN BUSINESS. But that's fine. "ETHICS". You haven't explained that either. Now you're talking about private property rights.:upeyes:

You said:

Maybe because he made a moral and ethical decision and some people can't relate to that if it wouldn't be of financial benefit.

Things like that make some folks nervous because they can't relate.

You said he made a moral and ethical decision and then threw in that bit about it "not being for financial benefit". That last part has implications here but I'll leave others to sort that out.

So, for the 6th time:

What moral and/or ethical principles did he apply here by prohibiting the sale of items above MSRP?

Its a simple question and it should be simple to answer and shouldn't require personal attacks or kicking up dust to create a diversion.

CAcop
01-04-2013, 20:20
He should let top level paid members only sell above msrp

I am a member there too. I don't think he sells memberships.

The site has what they call "sigkarma" or just "karma" where members get rid of unused stuff via a names in a hat sort of thing.

Para runs the site much differently than Eric. Different people, different sites. Not better or worse, just different. I am not going to hold it against either of them.

My money is on the fact Para does not suffer fools lightly and he probably does not want to deal with the BS that is going around the gun world.

Honestly if it were my site I would stop allowing any sales on my site if I was not getting a cut. Expecially during this current craziness. Plenty of other sites have closed up their classified sections because of all the headaches they produce. It may come to that with Para considering his personality.

shotgunred
01-04-2013, 20:20
How many times have I heard it said" Its Eric forums he can do what he wants"? Plenty! I agree with that, heck I have even said it. If he doesn't want price gouging on his forum then that is his decision. Its not like he said you can't buy or sell overpriced guns. He just said you can't buy or sell overpriced guns on my property.

Sell your over price guns here. Apparently Eric is OK with it.

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 20:23
Now that while funny would be impossible. I think they're more than happy to drive prices up to a point where people can't get it. Yet another reason this price gouging needs to stop

High prices aren't making the items unavailable. Quite the contrary. High prices are making them available.

You can buy any gun or magazine or ammo you want today, at a high price.

you can't buy those things at the pre-Sandy Hook price.

frank_drebin
01-04-2013, 20:27
Thanks for this thread. I have decided to leave Sigforums based on their policy. I will not participate on a forum that is anti capitalism.

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 20:27
I honestly do think that people don't even know they're being taken advantage of.
Most likely it's the same type of people who are getting millions from some poor widow woman with no children who just wants to help people but still.

It's just morally wrong IMo to take advantage of dumb people and I'm happy to see somebody willing to do something

How is anyone being taken advantage of?

People who freely want to pay market prices for the items can purchase them. Sellers can get market price for their items.

Why is it dumb to purchase a $2800 AR10 right now? If you want an AR and wait 90 days hoping prices fall, you might not be able to purchase one -- EVER. What do you think used prices will look like if new rifle sales are banned? Have you priced a pre86 full auto lately?

Why does it make you happy to see people not being able to buy and sell goods at the prices they agree on?

mabgrac
01-04-2013, 20:27
I suspect the reason he has taken this action is probably the same reason he doesn't have ads. It is his forum and he wants to run it the way he feels like it. It has nothing to do with capitalism and everything to do with his desire to do as he pleases.

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 20:29
How many times have I heard it said" Its Eric forums he can do what he wants"? Plenty! I agree with that, heck I have even said it. If he doesn't want price gouging on his forum then that is his decision. Its not like he said you can't buy or sell overpriced guns. He just said you can't buy or sell overpriced guns on my property.

Sell your over price guns here. Apparently Eric is OK with it.

What guns are over priced?

countrygun
01-04-2013, 20:29
I asked a simple question and, despite the flurry of personal attacks and the cloud of dust and feathers you're kicking up here, you still haven't answered the question. I believe this is the 5th or 6th time I've asked for you to clarify your earlier point.

I said business ethics because we're talking about ETHICS IN BUSINESS. But that's fine. "ETHICS". You haven't explained that either. Now you're talking about private property rights.:upeyes:

You said:



You said he made a moral and ethical decision and then threw in that bit about it "not being for financial benefit". That last part has implications here but I'll leave others to sort that out.

So, for the 6th time:

What moral and/or ethical principles did he apply here by prohibiting the sale of items above MSRP?

Its a simple question and it should be simple to answer and shouldn't require personal attacks or kicking up dust to create a diversion.

You really want to avoid the fact that I answered you in post #47. you keep rephrasing it and kicking up your own dust by accusing me of not answering it. I did. post 47. Get over it.

Now tell me why is it wrong that he can set rules on his own forum? It's his property, no?

douggmc
01-04-2013, 20:33
"Some folks need protection from themselves"

Wasn't that one of Obama's campaign slogans?:supergrin:

Do you honestly think that keeping people from price gouging commodities needed to sustain life is comparable to people selling some types of guns, not all of them mind you, for what the market is willing to bear? I don't see the connection. Eric

Interestingly, There are some folks here that don't believe in the concept of preventing price gouging (and related rationing) even in these "life threatening" instances. They are the "absolutists" or anarchists among us.

IMO ... The sigforum brouhaha is not about price gouging, just his personal dislike for the profiteering (which of course is prerogative). I personally think it is silly. Let them sell for what they'll go for. No harm, no foul.




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Eric
01-04-2013, 20:34
I honestly do think that people don't even know they're being taken advantage of.
Most likely it's the same type of people who are getting millions from some poor widow woman with no children who just wants to help people but still.

It's just morally wrong IMo to take advantage of dumb people and I'm happy to see somebody willing to do something


Caveat empor.

Are you seriously comparing people asking what the market will bear for a type of gun that some people have suddenly decided they just have to have, to someone taking advantage of a poor widow woman? Seriously?

If someone is listing something honestly and THE MARKET has pushed the value of that item high because of what everyone is willing to pay, how is the seller taking advantage of anyone? I really don't get your reasoning on this.

Selling a certain type of firearm for a lot of money because the market has been driven there by market panic is really NOT the same thing as someone price gouging commodities that people need to survive, in the face of some disaster. It isn't even in the same zip code.

Hell, even if it were similar, the market price of an AR has had little or no impact on plenty of other types of firearms that anyone needing a firearm for his family's defense could avail himself off.

And how exactly is anyone's family in more danger now than before 12-14-12? Why is there a sudden desperate need for an AR-style rifle, to defend ones hearth and home? The price of AR's and high-caps are not being driven by a NEED for them. They are being driven by a WANT for them.

Guess what? I wanted them too, so I have bought want I wanted, over the years, when what I wanted was available and in my price range. In fact, last spring, I spent a fair chunk of change stocking up on odds and ends, in anticipation for what I assumed would be another market panic after the election. Would you consider me a bad guy to sell some of that stuff off now, to turn a profit? Well, if I choose to do so, the items will sell for fair market value, at that time, and I won't loose one wink of sleep for those that paid that fair market value, or for those that didn't have the foresight to buy when the market was more favorable. Eric

220-9er
01-04-2013, 20:34
Based on the title of the thread he is particularly upset by people who don't contribute anything to his forum (no previous discussion posts) but take advantage of his site to "profiteer", by his definition, in the classifieds.
I like to read his and other forums and don't always agree with everything a moderator/owner does. But like when I am a visitor in someones home, I try to respect their rules. If those rules are so extreme to me that I feel I can't follow them I won't go there.

douggmc
01-04-2013, 20:38
dupe post.

larry_minn
01-04-2013, 20:47
So does Eric mind if we do this? I saw where someone said his friend sold a mini 14 for $1400.
I was just going to try to figure out "for sale fiearms" and sell my mini 14. As its unfired/NIB figure $1500 shipped to ffl should be fair.

frank_drebin
01-04-2013, 20:54
I live in a county that is doing a lot to keep development to a bare minimum. thats why we moved here. With few exceptions there are no locally owned stores of any kind. You want building supplies, you go to Jasper County Lumber. You want a prescription refilled? You go to Monticello Drugs. I know what my house is worth and what i paid for it. If my county suddenly decided that they "may" not allow any new construction I would expect the value to increase drastically. I would not refuse the extra money. Does that make me a gouger?

Eric
01-04-2013, 20:54
So does Eric mind if we do this? I saw where someone said his friend sold a mini 14 for $1400.
I was just going to try to figure out "for sale fiearms" and sell my mini 14. As its unfired/NIB figure $1500 shipped to ffl should be fair.

If you can sell a Mini 14 for $1,500, to a buyer who can walk a straight line, more power to you.:supergrin: People are free to ask whatever they like here and potential buyers are free to not make the purchase, if they think the price is too high. Eric

Mayhem like Me
01-04-2013, 20:58
If you can sell a Mini 14 for $1,500, to a buyer who can walk a straight line, more power to you.:supergrin: People are free to ask whatever they like here and potential buyers are free to not make the purchase, if they think the price is too high. Eric

Amen.....the power. AND responsibility of freedom.

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countrygun
01-04-2013, 21:03
Contrary to what some may think, I agree with Eric.

If you didn't get them by now, you've been asleep or procrastinating, tough luck. The only thing I am short on is mags for my G20 which I bought not too long before the "incident". I usually don't "stock" mags until I have a good amount of ammo downrange and decide if it's a 'keeper".

I won't get hurt no matter what I have to pay though. Being the wise investor I am. When I dumped my Bushmaster a couple of years ago, at a profit, I kept a bung load of mags.

It'll work out :supergrin:

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 21:06
You really want to avoid the fact that I answered you in post #47. you keep rephrasing it and kicking up your own dust by accusing me of not answering it. I did. post 47. Get over it.

Now tell me why is it wrong that he can set rules on his own forum? It's his property, no?

I'm not sure I've ever seen someone work so hard to avoid answering a simple question. Lets try this again.

You posted:

Maybe because he made a moral and ethical decision and some people can't relate to that if it wouldn't be of financial benefit.

Things like that make some folks nervous because they can't relate.

I asked you 6 now 7 times to clarify your statement about the moral and ethical principles employed here:

What moral or ethical principles did he follow?

After several personal attacks:

why am I not surprised you don't recognize them ? No experience?

That would be like trying to describe the color "blue" to a blind man.

You brought up morals again here and labeled selling above msrp as "profiteering", which by its very definition implies dishonest activity. Your words. :

Well it could be he has a moral objection to profiteering on his site and he gets to define profiteering because it is his site.



Then you launched another personal attack in the same post:



Now "Mr. Private Property' do you have an objection to someone establishing his own rules on his own property?



Then you threw up some chaff by suggesting alternative reasons that also have nothing to do with morals or ethics:



Maybe he objects to having to sort out disputes on his classifirds section.

maybe he doesn't want to have people joining under false pretenses of participation, just to cruise the classifieds.

Then you claimed you used the word "Profiteering" in a non-pejorative sense, which is of course, impossible because the definition of "Profiteering" implies nefarious conduct.

I never said it was different. Show me where I did. I do not use the term "profiteering" as a pejorative.



So I asked you for a 4th time:

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds
What business ethics or moral principles is he employing here?

And you kicked up a bunch of dust and feathers and made several accusations about my honesty, but still haven't identified a single moral or ethical principle that was employed:

You will notice here that certified funds chose to overlook my explanation, that I provided and he rephrased his question. It originally was,

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds View Post

I'm slow witted. Tell me which ethical and moral principles did he follow?


Notice how he inserted the word "Business" into it and then accused me of not answering? he is known for trying to change the issue to suit his arguments when he has wandered into left field, He overshoots the mark and then wants to move the mark.

There is no proof or evidence that this has anything to do with a decision based on BUSINESS ethics. for all we know the owner of Sigforum has a personal objection and, as his right, doesn't want such things done on his property.

There may be other reasons, but all in all, it comes down to an issue of private property. You have the right to ask whatever you want for your property, or to pay what ever you want for someone else', but the owner of the Forum also has the right to say "Not on my forum"

Funny that people so interested in the right to have control over their property want to judge others for exercising control of their own property.

Then I asked you for a 6th time to identify any moral or ethical principles at play here and you posted this saying that you specifically answered my question back in post #47:

You really want to avoid the fact that I answered you in post #47. you keep rephrasing it and kicking up your own dust by accusing me of not answering it. I did. post 47. Get over it.

Now tell me why is it wrong that he can set rules on his own forum? It's his property, no?

***So here is post #47***

Well it could be he has a moral objection to profiteering on his site and he gets to define profiteering because it is his site.

Now "Mr. Private Property' do you have an objection to someone establishing his own rules on his own property?

Maybe he objects to having to sort out disputes on his classifirds section.

maybe he doesn't want to have people joining under false pretenses of participation, just to cruise the classifieds.


Now, in good faith, I've read and re-read this post several times trying to glean the moral and ethical principles you are identifying here in order to answer my question.

I still can't find them. I suspect I ate too many paint chips as a kid. Could you please identify them clearly and explain for a poor dumb cajun what moral or ethical principles are at play here?

427
01-04-2013, 21:07
When a buyer agrees to and willingly pays the seller's price, how is the buyer being ripped off or gouged? I don't understand. At any time the buy can walk away.

RenoF250
01-04-2013, 21:08
I honestly do think that people don't even know they're being taken advantage of.
Most likely it's the same type of people who are getting millions from some poor widow woman with no children who just wants to help people but still.

It's just morally wrong IMo to take advantage of dumb people and I'm happy to see somebody willing to do something

Do you really think they are dumb or just ignorant? If they are too lazy to take the time to look for a lower price or educate themselves as to what the items should sell for they are lazy/ignorant not necessarily dumb.

I spend a lot of time finding deals and figuring out what things are worth so I can save money. If they do not want to invest that time/effort then I have no sympathy for them.

Eric
01-04-2013, 21:08
Countrygun and Certifiedfunds, if you two want to slug this out between you, please take it to PM. I find this thread interesting and I don't want your argument to drag it off into the weeds. Thanks. Eric

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 21:16
Countrygun and Certifiedfunds, if you two want to slug this out between you, please take it to PM. I find this thread interesting and I don't want your argument to drag it off into the weeds. Thanks. Eric

Ok. I'm read only now.

countrygun
01-04-2013, 21:17
I suspect I ate too many paint chips as a kid.

I applaud you for finally finding something we could agree on.


I am having so much fun watching you getting your panties tied up because someone did something with their OWN PROPERTY that you don't agree with.


I know, you think the Government should force him to allow those sales

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Mayhem like Me
01-04-2013, 21:18
I put 15 used G3 msgs on eBay 3 days ago.. I sold them to a happy buyer for 155.0

He happy me happy..I paid 1.33 a piece for 50 of them many years ago..!
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Airborne Infantryman
01-04-2013, 21:20
It's Parabellum's forum, however, the man is a ******, and has been known to ban people for not agreeing with him. He's also been known to throw temper tantrums as well.

I've got like 10 posts there, and mainly stay on ARFCOM or M4C.

Doesn't surprise me he's doing that. He and Obama would probably get along just fine. :thumbsup:

ETA: The ones acting pissy are the ones pissed because they failed to acquire what they should have had in the first place. Again, you've all had 8 years since the first AWB ended, and 4 since Obama got elected.

You deserve everything all the price gouging headed your way. :rofl:

ETA: God bless the USA, and our FREE Market. :supergrin:

BEER
01-04-2013, 21:21
i got damn lucky right after obamas first election panic subsided and i picked up a hell of a deal on a noveske. then right before his second election i sold it for the same price i paid figuring i'd scrounge up the 1200 or so for something less hardcore later down the road. now here i am with 400$ and a .38 snub as my only remaining gun. i'm kicking myself in the ass for selling that ar and for being absolutely horrible with money.

guess which side of the fence i'm on in this fair market/gouging debate. that's right, firmly planted on the gouging side. you know why? jealousy, plain and simple. i call it gouging because much like a spoiled child i'm stomping my feet and holding my breath because i can't have the nice toys like all the other kids. the real burr under my saddle is that i know it's my own dumb ass fault.

now if my stubborn ass can sack up and admit it so can the rest of you. if you can afford the current prices then quit yer whining and start buying. if you can't afford the current prices then quit your whining and get good with what you've already got.

tomorrow i'm going to start practicing throwing rocks and making spears.

Eric
01-04-2013, 21:23
Ok. I'm read only now.

I applaud you for finally finding something we could agree on.


I am having so much fun watching you getting your panties tied up because someone did something with their OWN PROPERTY that you don't agree with.


I know, you think the Government should force him to allow those sales

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I'm not asking you two to bow out, just to stop slugging it out with each other. Too often, two guys find themselves standing in a bloody circle in a parking lot, trying to remember why they were pissed at each other. Guys really suck at walking away from a confrontation. If you disagree, I'll happily kick your asses.:supergrin: Eric

countrygun
01-04-2013, 21:30
SWMBO does a good enough job on kicking my keister


:crying:

I hear and I obey.

:bowdown:

Mayhem like Me
01-04-2013, 21:37
Nvrmnd.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

larry starling
01-04-2013, 21:47
Good for them I agree with his move 100%. More forums should follow his lead!

Airborne Infantryman
01-04-2013, 21:50
Good for them I agree with his move 100%. More forums should follow his lead!

So you agree with, and support communism? :dunno:

larry_minn
01-04-2013, 21:59
If you can sell a Mini 14 for $1,500, to a buyer who can walk a straight line, more power to you.:supergrin: People are free to ask whatever they like here and potential buyers are free to not make the purchase, if they think the price is too high. Eric

Well I tried to post it at a grand. Can't find it. So I will look again, try to repost.

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 21:59
I'm not asking you two to bow out, just to stop slugging it out with each other. Too often, two guys find themselves standing in a bloody circle in a parking lot, trying to remember why they were pissed at each other. Guys really suck at walking away from a confrontation. If you disagree, I'll happily kick your asses.:supergrin: Eric

Roger that.

To this day I have a chipped tooth from that very parking lot. Neither me nor my buddy who chipped it can remember why?

Would you at least tell countrygun I was right? :supergrin:

Eric
01-04-2013, 22:02
Roger that.

To this day I have a chipped tooth from that very parking lot. Neither me nor my buddy who chipped it can remember why?

Would you at least tell countrygun I was right? :supergrin:

He already knows it, silly. Like I said, guys suck at backing down.:supergrin: Eric

certifiedfunds
01-04-2013, 22:05
Here's the thing.

Its his forum. He doesn't need any justification for why he chose to do this. I have no problem with it. In fact, I kind of respect him for it.

The problem with this price and availability mess going on does not lie with the retailers when they raise prices. The customers are driving it. Without a doubt, there are a lot of speculators out there buying up inventory strictly to flip it. **And I have no problem with that** They serve a role in the market just like futures traders do. They're just really bad at it because they waited until the last minute.

But, it he believes it contributes to the problem, Parabellum owns his site and in his own small way he can help to fix one small piece of it, if he feels so inclined. Misguided though he may be.

Eric
01-04-2013, 22:16
An American Democrat
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
You feel guilty for being successful.
You vote people into office that put a tax on your cows, forcing you to sell one to raise money to pay the tax.
The people you voted for then take tax money, buy a cow and give it to your neighbor.
You feel righteous and Barbara Streisand sings for you.

An American Republican
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
So?

Socialist
You have two cows.
The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.
You form a cooperative to tell him how to manage his cow.

Communist
You have two cows.
The government seizes both and provides you with milk.
You wait in line for hours to get it.
It is expensive and sour.

Capitalism, American style
You have two cows.
You sell one, buy a bull, and build a herd of cows.

Democracy, American style
You have two cows.
The government taxes you to the point you have to sell both to support a man in a foreign country who has only one cow, which was a gift from your' government.

Bureaucracy, American style
You have two cows.
The government takes them both, shoots one, milks the other, pays you for the milk, and then pours the milk down the drain.

Democracy, American style
The government promises to give you two cows if you vote for it.
After the election, the president is impeached for speculating in cow futures.
The press dubs the affair "Cowgate"

Feudalism
You have two cows.
Your lord takes some of the milk

Pure socialism
You have two cows.
The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows.
You have to take care of all the cows.
The government gives you as much milk as you need

Bureaucratic socialism
You have two cows.
The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows.
They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers.
You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers.
The government gives you as much milk and as many eggs as the regulations say you should need.

Fascism
You have two cows.
The government takes both, hires you to take care of them, and sells you the milk.

Pure communism
You have two cows.
Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.

Russian communism
You have two cows.
You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk

Dictatorship
You have two cows.
The government takes both and shoots you

Singaporean democracy
You have two cows.
The government fines you for keeping two unlicensed farm animals in an apartment

Militarianism
You have two cows.
The government takes both and drafts you

Pure democracy
You have two cows.
Your neighbors decide who gets the milk

Repreresentative democracy
You have two cows.
Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk

British democracy
You have two cows.
You feed them sheeps' brains and they go mad.
The government doesn't do anything.

Bureaucracy
You have two cows.
At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them.
Then it pays you not to milk them.
After that it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain.
Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows

Anarchy
You have two cows.
Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to kill you and take the cows

Capitalism
You have two cows.
You sell one and buy a bull

Hone Kong capitalism
You have two cows.
You sell three of them to your publicly - listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother - in - law at the bank, then execute a debt / equity swap with associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax deduction for keeping five cows.
The milk rights of six cows are transferred via a Panamanian intermediary to a Cayman Islands company secretly owned by the majority shareholder, who sells the rights to all seven cows' milk back to the listed company.
The annual report says that the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. Meanwhile, you kill the two cows because the fung shui is bad.

Environmentalism
You have two cows.
The government bans you from milking or killing them

Feminism
You have two cows.
They get married and adopt a veal calf

Tolatarianism
You have two cows.
The government takes them and denies they ever existed.
Milk is banned

Political Correctness
You are associated with (the concept of "ownership" is a symbol of the phallo - centric, war - mongering, intolerant past) two differently - aged (but no less valuable to society) bovines of non - specified gender.

Counter Culture
Wow, dude, there's like... these two cows, man.
You got to have some of this milk.

Surrealism
You have two giraffes.
The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.



http://stuffucanuse.com/all_jokes/jokes%20cows.htm

countrygun
01-04-2013, 22:32
He already knows it, silly. Like I said, guys suck at backing down.:supergrin: Eric

Your forum. So if you say I do...

I wouldn't want you going all Parabellum on me.

JDennis
01-04-2013, 22:33
An American Democrat
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
You feel guilty for being successful.
You vote people into office that put a tax on your cows, forcing you to sell one to raise money to pay the tax.
The people you voted for then take tax money, buy a cow and give it to your neighbor.
You feel righteous and Barbara Streisand sings for you.

An American Republican
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
So?

Socialist
You have two cows.
The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.
You form a cooperative to tell him how to manage his cow.

Communist
You have two cows.
The government seizes both and provides you with milk.
You wait in line for hours to get it.
It is expensive and sour.

Capitalism, American style
You have two cows.
You sell one, buy a bull, and build a herd of cows.

Democracy, American style
You have two cows.
The government taxes you to the point you have to sell both to support a man in a foreign country who has only one cow, which was a gift from your' government.

Bureaucracy, American style
You have two cows.
The government takes them both, shoots one, milks the other, pays you for the milk, and then pours the milk down the drain.

Democracy, American style
The government promises to give you two cows if you vote for it.
After the election, the president is impeached for speculating in cow futures.
The press dubs the affair "Cowgate"

Feudalism
You have two cows.
Your lord takes some of the milk

Pure socialism
You have two cows.
The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows.
You have to take care of all the cows.
The government gives you as much milk as you need

Bureaucratic socialism
You have two cows.
The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows.
They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers.
You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers.
The government gives you as much milk and as many eggs as the regulations say you should need.

Fascism
You have two cows.
The government takes both, hires you to take care of them, and sells you the milk.

Pure communism
You have two cows.
Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.

Russian communism
You have two cows.
You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk

Dictatorship
You have two cows.
The government takes both and shoots you

Singaporean democracy
You have two cows.
The government fines you for keeping two unlicensed farm animals in an apartment

Militarianism
You have two cows.
The government takes both and drafts you

Pure democracy
You have two cows.
Your neighbors decide who gets the milk

Repreresentative democracy
You have two cows.
Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk

British democracy
You have two cows.
You feed them sheeps' brains and they go mad.
The government doesn't do anything.

Bureaucracy
You have two cows.
At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them.
Then it pays you not to milk them.
After that it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain.
Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows

Anarchy
You have two cows.
Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to kill you and take the cows

Capitalism
You have two cows.
You sell one and buy a bull

Hone Kong capitalism
You have two cows.
You sell three of them to your publicly - listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother - in - law at the bank, then execute a debt / equity swap with associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax deduction for keeping five cows.
The milk rights of six cows are transferred via a Panamanian intermediary to a Cayman Islands company secretly owned by the majority shareholder, who sells the rights to all seven cows' milk back to the listed company.
The annual report says that the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. Meanwhile, you kill the two cows because the fung shui is bad.

Environmentalism
You have two cows.
The government bans you from milking or killing them

Feminism
You have two cows.
They get married and adopt a veal calf

Tolatarianism
You have two cows.
The government takes them and denies they ever existed.
Milk is banned

Political Correctness
You are associated with (the concept of "ownership" is a symbol of the phallo - centric, war - mongering, intolerant past) two differently - aged (but no less valuable to society) bovines of non - specified gender.

Counter Culture
Wow, dude, there's like... these two cows, man.
You got to have some of this milk.

Surrealism
You have two giraffes.
The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.



http://stuffucanuse.com/all_jokes/jokes%20cows.htm

My g/f emailed that to me! Classic! Lol

Eric
01-04-2013, 22:34
Your forum. So if you say I do...

I wouldn't want you going all Parabellum on me.

Actually, it would be 'All ACP on me'. If I'm not carrying a Kel-Tec .380, I'm carrying a Kimber CDP .45 . Eric

countrygun
01-04-2013, 22:50
Actually, it would be 'All ACP on me'. If I'm not carrying a Kel-Tec .380, I'm carrying a Kimber CDP .45 . Eric

I was referring to the screen name of the small bore that owns Sigforum.

Kimber eh? The wife and I have a couple. good taste there.

Eric
01-04-2013, 22:59
I was referring to the screen name of the small bore that owns Sigforum.

Kimber eh? The wife and I have a couple. good taste there.


I love my CDP. It has more than 25,000 rounds through it in twelve years or so(I've kept track) and it is still a tack-driver. Great gun. My Kel-Tec is what I carry, when I can't carry a gun. Eric

elsolo
01-05-2013, 00:47
I do feel a little bad for the guy that has been wanting to buy, but couldn't get in to the market in time for whatever reason.

I don't see demand waning anytime soon.
Supply from manufacturers is not keeping up apparently.
Individuals selling on the secondhand market is the only way to add supply at this point.

Since nobody is going to sell at a loss, or far below market value, insisting that seller do that is effectively removing the supply of guns from the secondary market.

Now that poor guy that missed out is even more screwed, he can't even buy at today's price. It might have been a well intended policy to try and help buyers from paying too much, but in effect I think would have the opposite effect.

Slug71
01-05-2013, 03:39
No issues here.

1. It's his site.

2. He sees what is causing the problem and actually chooses to do something about it......or at least not participate in it.

3. Many of the same people who will criticize his decision will simultaneously criticize retailers for mythical "price gouging"

Personally, I'd just arrange a cut for myself and let them sell.

Agreed.

happyguy
01-05-2013, 03:52
Sigforum.com is owned privately. The owner is banning members from selling gun-related items at higher than list prices. I can see points from both sides... Thoughts?

Who cares? I mean, people will just sell them elsewhere. No big deal.

Regards,
Comrade Happyguy :)

kahrcarrier
01-05-2013, 04:05
They banned me years ago.......... For different reasons.

relayman
01-05-2013, 05:01
They banned me years ago.......... For different reasons. Me too , twice . Both times I went out with a bang . Told Para what I thought of him and his leg humping minions . I've never seen a bigger bunch of ass kissers in my life .

AA_Khost
01-05-2013, 05:15
Yes it's his forum but the American Spirit is lost in his soul! Like many have said,its worth what people will pay for it.
Back in 1976 I invested in gold,a lot of gold. I did buy at $112 or so. In recent years I have sold a chunck of it at a very nice profit. A couple relatives accused me of making to big a profit...lol

HexHead
01-05-2013, 05:35
Well, if he's not gaining revenue from generating hits on his site, there's your first clue he lacks business sense.



Or he's running his private forum as a hobby, for his own enjoyment, not as a business. Not everything is always about money.

carbuncle
01-05-2013, 06:08
I have a profile over there but I rarely post or check in, am I missing anything?

certifiedfunds
01-05-2013, 09:20
An American Democrat
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
You feel guilty for being successful.
You vote people into office that put a tax on your cows, forcing you to sell one to raise money to pay the tax.
The people you voted for then take tax money, buy a cow and give it to your neighbor.
You feel righteous and Barbara Streisand sings for you.

An American Republican
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
So?

Socialist
You have two cows.
The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.
You form a cooperative to tell him how to manage his cow.

Communist
You have two cows.
The government seizes both and provides you with milk.
You wait in line for hours to get it.
It is expensive and sour.

Capitalism, American style
You have two cows.
You sell one, buy a bull, and build a herd of cows.

Democracy, American style
You have two cows.
The government taxes you to the point you have to sell both to support a man in a foreign country who has only one cow, which was a gift from your' government.

Bureaucracy, American style
You have two cows.
The government takes them both, shoots one, milks the other, pays you for the milk, and then pours the milk down the drain.

Democracy, American style
The government promises to give you two cows if you vote for it.
After the election, the president is impeached for speculating in cow futures.
The press dubs the affair "Cowgate"

Feudalism
You have two cows.
Your lord takes some of the milk

Pure socialism
You have two cows.
The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows.
You have to take care of all the cows.
The government gives you as much milk as you need

Bureaucratic socialism
You have two cows.
The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows.
They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers.
You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers.
The government gives you as much milk and as many eggs as the regulations say you should need.

Fascism
You have two cows.
The government takes both, hires you to take care of them, and sells you the milk.

Pure communism
You have two cows.
Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.

Russian communism
You have two cows.
You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk

Dictatorship
You have two cows.
The government takes both and shoots you

Singaporean democracy
You have two cows.
The government fines you for keeping two unlicensed farm animals in an apartment

Militarianism
You have two cows.
The government takes both and drafts you

Pure democracy
You have two cows.
Your neighbors decide who gets the milk

Repreresentative democracy
You have two cows.
Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk

British democracy
You have two cows.
You feed them sheeps' brains and they go mad.
The government doesn't do anything.

Bureaucracy
You have two cows.
At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them.
Then it pays you not to milk them.
After that it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain.
Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows

Anarchy
You have two cows.
Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to kill you and take the cows

Capitalism
You have two cows.
You sell one and buy a bull

Hone Kong capitalism
You have two cows.
You sell three of them to your publicly - listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother - in - law at the bank, then execute a debt / equity swap with associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax deduction for keeping five cows.
The milk rights of six cows are transferred via a Panamanian intermediary to a Cayman Islands company secretly owned by the majority shareholder, who sells the rights to all seven cows' milk back to the listed company.
The annual report says that the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. Meanwhile, you kill the two cows because the fung shui is bad.

Environmentalism
You have two cows.
The government bans you from milking or killing them

Feminism
You have two cows.
They get married and adopt a veal calf

Tolatarianism
You have two cows.
The government takes them and denies they ever existed.
Milk is banned

Political Correctness
You are associated with (the concept of "ownership" is a symbol of the phallo - centric, war - mongering, intolerant past) two differently - aged (but no less valuable to society) bovines of non - specified gender.

Counter Culture
Wow, dude, there's like... these two cows, man.
You got to have some of this milk.

Surrealism
You have two giraffes.
The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.



http://stuffucanuse.com/all_jokes/jokes%20cows.htm

That is brilliant. Hong Kong Capitalism is my favorite:

Hone Kong capitalism
You have two cows.
You sell three of them to your publicly - listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother - in - law at the bank, then execute a debt / equity swap with associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax deduction for keeping five cows.
The milk rights of six cows are transferred via a Panamanian intermediary to a Cayman Islands company secretly owned by the majority shareholder, who sells the rights to all seven cows' milk back to the listed company.
The annual report says that the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. Meanwhile, you kill the two cows because the fung shui is bad.
[B]

Orive 8
01-10-2013, 16:30
When its your house, you make the rules.

Don't like the rules - stay out of his house!

I like Sigforum as well as Glock Talk. If I want to stay on both sites, I follow the sites rules.

Seems easy enough!

wjv
01-10-2013, 17:09
I have a 33 round G19 mag I'll trade for one of those new Trillion Dollar coins!

spcwes
01-10-2013, 17:09
No issues here.

1. It's his site.

2. He sees what is causing the problem and actually chooses to do something about it......or at least not participate in it.

3. Many of the same people who will criticize his decision will simultaneously criticize retailers for mythical "price gouging"

Personally, I'd just arrange a cut for myself and let them sell.

I think this is how I would view some of these replies. I see people that make the decision of not using CTD as a supplier of their firearms needs anymore, running down the company for price gouging and saying they will never use that company again. Understanding that it is their right and MSRP on magazines and semi-auto anything need not apply anymore.

I made the same choice because I feel those that have money to buy up inventories at a time like this to then turn around and rape the firearms community is a bad practice especially with the times but it is their right to do so. But I won't run down the company I will just choose to no longer do business.

This person made the decision to remove the gougers from his community, it is his site and his right as it is the right of the suppliers he is removing to put high prices on their products.

certifiedfunds
01-10-2013, 18:46
I think this is how I would view some of these replies. I see people that make the decision of not using CTD as a supplier of their firearms needs anymore, running down the company for price gouging and saying they will never use that company again. Understanding that it is their right and MSRP on magazines and semi-auto anything need not apply anymore.

I made the same choice because I feel those that have money to buy up inventories at a time like this to then turn around and rape the firearms community is a bad practice especially with the times but it is their right to do so. But I won't run down the company I will just choose to no longer do business.

This person made the decision to remove the gougers from his community, it is his site and his right as it is the right of the suppliers he is removing to put high prices on their products.

Their complete and willful misunderstanding of basic economic principles causes them to make enemies of the wrong people. We certainly don't need fewer retailers selling guns and accessories.

jdeere_man
01-10-2013, 20:51
I agree with the people saying it's his forum he can do as he pleases.

That doesn't mean I or you have to agree with what he does. If we object we just go somewhere else. That's America.

Some of his tactics sound no different than the guy who runs jk-forum.com. If you're in the jeep world you probably know what I'm talking about. I'm still int he old days of the YJ so I havn't had a run-in yet with Eddie. But it sounds like they both have the same syndrome.

Smithers
01-10-2013, 20:52
Yep, as idiot as his thinking is. It seems you endorse that sort of thinking, too. :rofl:

He'll also lose views, which can = loss ad generated revenue. To each their own though, I can always tell who has absolutely no logic and business sense on this forum though. Good job dude! You stuck it to the man, bro! What next? an occupy wall street protest from you? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

You call the guy an idiot and accuse the GT member of being an idiot.

His forum, his choice.

BTW, I hope the nursing home takes away your "idiotic"
animated gif license.

M&P Shooter
01-10-2013, 20:56
I have a account over there but I haven't used it in years. Just not a cool group of guys and girls like GT:supergrin:

GT had Gunkid and 2bb's which makes GT a legend IMO:rofl:

Smithers
01-10-2013, 20:58
I'm amazed at the number of self-proclaimed conservatives that are so anti-capitalism. These are luxury items, not fresh water during Katrina or antibiotics during an outbreak of bacterial meningitis.

His forum - his rules. That's all there is.

My house - my rules.



If someone doesn't like it, start your own forum and you can make up the rules.

(Not specifically addressed to you)

djf
01-10-2013, 21:38
There's two types of Sigforum members. The ones who hump the ownerships leg and the ones who get banned...

JohnBT
01-11-2013, 06:22
Don't forget the members who buy guns from other members. I bought one of the Swiss Army surplus P-210s off the small pallet of them that Top Gun Supply somehow ended up with.

That was a fun thread.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj80/JohnBT3/DSCN0228.jpg

John

Spiffums
01-11-2013, 07:42
People still go there? I thought that went the way of dodo bird!

jkglock32
01-11-2013, 07:58
i am a member on both forums and the only issue i have is that i am a blue collar working class individual and i work hard for my money, so i have worked all year to save up to buy a new black rifle and bam!, some guy goes to the all the local gun stores and buys out all the ar's, and then charges me double what i already have saved up. i am all about making your paper, by all means, but i was always brought up by some really great guys in the gun world who said we have to stick together, now i feel like the same people who have preached NRA, and support your local gun club, and help the little guy are all turning around and doing the exact opposite. JMO offense towards anyone intended.

Bren
01-11-2013, 08:22
Sigforum.com is owned privately. The owner is banning members from selling gun-related items at higher than list prices. I can see points from both sides... Thoughts?

While it isn't socialism when a non-government entity does it, and it's the owner's right, I am not impressed by their imitation of socialist thinking.

"Profiteering" is, in this case, just selling luxury goods for the price people are willing to pay (no, they aren't selling $3K AR's to people who suddenly discovered an emergency self-defense need for them). That is free trade in a free market.

selogic
01-11-2013, 12:17
There's two types of Sigforum members. The ones who hump the ownerships leg and the ones who get banned...
A lot of truth there . :cool:

Antipaladin
01-11-2013, 13:21
They had some bozo on there a while ago...Fugate something...that would buy up people's stuff and then immediately resell it for much higher. I'm a big fan of capitalism but I think the forum moderator is trying to keep the "family" aspect of the board alive. Friends to try to screw friends over. The same thing could be done though by setting a post level for selling stuff.

Antipaladin
01-11-2013, 13:23
@Jglock32...you're right on the money. Ass clowns who snagged all the standard caps from the manufacturers only to sell them back are dirt.

Antipaladin
01-11-2013, 13:25
Now if we're talking about BladeForums then that's a whole different can of worms. Ego, Ego, Ego.

John Rambo
01-11-2013, 13:37
i am a member on both forums and the only issue i have is that i am a blue collar working class individual and i work hard for my money, so i have worked all year to save up to buy a new black rifle and bam!, some guy goes to the all the local gun stores and buys out all the ar's, and then charges me double what i already have saved up. i am all about making your paper, by all means, but i was always brought up by some really great guys in the gun world who said we have to stick together, now i feel like the same people who have preached NRA, and support your local gun club, and help the little guy are all turning around and doing the exact opposite. JMO offense towards anyone intended.


This.

vart
01-11-2013, 13:56
http://troll.me/images/brick-tamland/why-are-we-yelling.jpg

certifiedfunds
01-11-2013, 14:11
@Jglock32...you're right on the money. Ass clowns who snagged all the standard caps from the manufacturers only to sell them back are dirt.

Good things come to those who wait but it usually what is left after those that hustle.

:wavey:

EKUJustice
01-11-2013, 15:00
There is no need to sell anything on the forums. Gunbroker is where the money is at. EVERYTHING i could get my hands on black gun related went straight to gunbroker. Why should I sell in in person and get called a gouger etc when I can simply place it on gunbroker and let the price climb. I'm sorry buy I am not selling a lower for the pre panic price of 100 bucks just to have the buyer or dealer buy me out and sell it on gunbroker for 3-400 bucks. If I have the inventory I am making the profit. What people fail to realize is the profits are high but everything thats sold you have no clue when you will be able to replace it. Flipping inventory is how the business works. We check suppliers several times daily and its not looking good when anything you really want is allocated and whats left in stock is junk you will have trouble selling

pillboxhat5
01-11-2013, 16:39
It really bugs me when people can not understand the simple concept of supply and demand. Just because a gun might have sold for 500 dollars yesterday doesn't that is what it would be worth today!!! its called the free market and when the prices go higher it allows more people to get the products b/c they only buy what they really feel like they need!!!

varoadking
11-09-2013, 17:23
We don't need to bash other forums or the owners to discuss the topic.


(even if I agree....:whistling:)

HA! You were a loudmouth, egotistical post-whore at SigForum, and I see that you continued that trend here after you were booted from SigForum...