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DEE50
01-10-2013, 08:50
I am considering the snub version of the Smith and Wesson model 60 for CCW and I have a few questions for anyone who can help. (you guys always do!)

1.

With an average or large hand can you get a full grip on the handle? (three fingers) :supergrin:

2.

Is it relatively easy to conceal even in the summertime? :dunno:

3.

Is the recoil too stout for defense? (I'm used to shooting big bore handguns.)

4.

Is there a variety of holsters for the gun? (I am wanting something that is not pliable, no leather.) :embarassed:

pennlineman
01-10-2013, 09:18
1. Yes they make oversized boot grips.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt250/pennlineman/2011/DSC001622.jpg

2. Never a problem. A J frame is my go to gun for summer carry.

3. Depends on the load and how sensitive you are to recoil. Try the standard pressure SWCHP. These have been working well for years.

4. The J frame has been around for years, You should have no problem finding a holster you like.

countrygun
01-10-2013, 09:21
Why do you think they have been making them all these years?

pennlineman summed it all up well.

WT
01-10-2013, 09:29
What pennlineman said.

Just remember that there is a J-frame Model 60 and a J Magnum frame Model 60. The former is smaller than the latter.

byf43
01-10-2013, 09:38
pennlineman just about said it all.


http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/byf43/Mdl60Ladysmith197of300leftside.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/byf43/Mdl60Ladysmith197of300rightside.jpg

I had one like this, several years ago. (And also carried a Charter Arms "Undercover".)
Using "Nyclad" 125 gr JHP ammo, I felt very well heeled.

DEE50
01-10-2013, 09:49
What pennlineman said.

Just remember that there is a J-frame Model 60 and a J Magnum frame Model 60. The former is smaller than the latter.

What pennlineman and you have just said is very very helpful.

fnfalman
01-10-2013, 10:51
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_766102_-1____ProductDisplayErrorView_N

You can buy a plastic holster made by Galco directly from Smith&Wesson.

Berto
01-10-2013, 12:00
I am considering the snub version of the Smith and Wesson model 60 for CCW and I have a few questions for anyone who can help. (you guys always do!)

1.

With an average or large hand can you get a full grip on the handle? (three fingers) :supergrin:

2.

Is it relatively easy to conceal even in the summertime? :dunno:

3.

Is the recoil too stout for defense? (I'm used to shooting big bore handguns.)

4.

Is there a variety of holsters for the gun? (I am wanting something that is not pliable, no leather.) :embarassed:

There's a huge selection of aftermarket grips; Boot grips should give you a 2 and a half finger grip with the pinky partially gripping and curled under the base of the stocks.
Hogue and bunch of other make 'full' grips if you want more.


It's a very easy gun for concealment, either by pocket carry, ankle or IWB.

Being an all steel 21oz gun, it should be easy to manage with mainstream +P loads like the (very good) 135gr Gold Dot.

I use a Blade Tech Kydex for IWB, it works great with the J frame. Lots of others out there just like it.

fnfalman
01-10-2013, 12:24
I use a Blade Tech Kydex for IWB, it works great with the J frame. Lots of others out there just like it.

You broke my heart. Plastic holster for a wheelgun?:crying:

Berto
01-10-2013, 12:29
You broke my heart. Plastic holster for a wheelgun?:crying:

I generally pocket carry a J frame, but I have the Blade Tech for belted carry. Usually with a belt, I carry a bigger gun though.:supergrin:

WT
01-10-2013, 12:30
I have to go with Berto here. I know it is tough to fathom but a plastic appendix inside the waistband holster works wonders for me.

I also put the S&W 'Pro' grips on my Model 60. (P/N 411740000)

NAS T MAG
01-10-2013, 12:39
Mine is the Pro 60 with a 3" barrel. I added Crimson Trace grips and carry it in a Kholster I modified.
http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu220/NAS-T-MAG/357MagnumSmithWessonPro60inModifiedKholster-1.jpg

DFin
01-10-2013, 12:39
.....

Bruce M
01-10-2013, 17:56
A Model 60 arguably was the standard for concealed/plainclothes carry for a decade or three and I am reasonably sure that J frames are still one of S&W's more popular sellers. I never had problems concealing mine even in the summer in monsoon season. I would check eBay for holsters and grips; you might be able to find what you want or want to try for a bit less.

Unk
01-10-2013, 18:32
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/Schemer2/MOD60004.jpg
My 1969 60 carried as backup in homemade, rough-out leather square. Using up some old Federal Nyclad .38 HP.

I had the hammer bobbed.

Best

hogship
01-10-2013, 19:00
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781008/1401653/207381953.jpg
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781008/1401653/197558963.jpg
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781008/1401653/393014277.jpg

I no longer ccw a revolver, but it's not a bad choice for those who make that decision.

Using the DH belt holster shown above, it carried very well. It would work fine for summer, or any season, with the right cover garment.

I found the m60 in a pocket holster just too big for my use. Others may like it better than I did, and any one person's body type, plus clothing styles used will determine that. The size was too big for my pocket......and that cylinder was much wider than I could accept.......kinda like having a golf ball in your pocket. I usually wear relaxed bluejeans, but cargo pants were better for pocket carry.

I sold the m36, but still have the m60.......I may use it again sometime, but it's been a few years since I have.

ooc

Sgt127
01-10-2013, 20:08
I've carried some variation of a J frame for 28 years as a back up in uniform. The last 19 years or so a 642. It's also the occasional drop in the pocket to run and get milk gun.

I think the all stainless .38 is the ultimate variation if you plan to shoot it quite a bit and carry it. The aluminum and stainless shine if you are gonna carry it a lot and shoot it a little.

For me, and my dainty hands, the Ruger SP-101 is as small and light as I will go for a full on magnum.

Bottom line, they are all good.
I would carry an old school Chief Special any time.

ronin.45
01-10-2013, 20:44
I have a 3" 60 that gets carried from time to time. I like boot style grips. It currently wears VZ micartas. There are so many holsters available for it that you can get anything you can imagine. Recoil is not bad, but the various loads make a difference.

Ceapea
01-10-2013, 21:05
Here are two of mine, both 60's. They both had the same, very easy to hold, grips that you see on the 2" gun. I wear XL gloves! You'll have no problem holding onto it.
The 3" gun has CT grips...very nice!

http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy35/Ceapea/Revolvers/IMG_0245.jpg

And a pre-36, flat latch...just for kicks...

http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy35/Ceapea/Revolvers/IMG_5809_2.jpg


http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy35/Ceapea/Revolvers/IMG_5807_2.jpg

I know what you're thinking...rubber on a classic?
Hey, the CT's turn that gun into a sub 2" shooter at 25'-30'!
That's why.:cool:

And yes, I do have the original wood stocks for the pre-36. The box too!

Ceapea
01-10-2013, 21:09
Aw shucks, here's the whole bunch of 'em...with some extras.


http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy35/Ceapea/Revolvers/IMG_0247.jpg

meathead19
01-11-2013, 13:16
Did someone say 60??

Why yes, I highly recommend them. Keep mine stoked with +p JHP Winchesters.

The grips are a little funky, but came that way when I bought.

MrMurphy
01-11-2013, 13:41
I prefer the concealed hammer models, but a J frame hides anywhere.

Once to prove a point I saw a guy hide six of them in nothing but khakis and a Hawaiian shirt. Not even using ankle rigs... they were all in chest/pants pocket rigs.


Practice, practice, practice. Both shooting and reloading in a hurry from speedstrips.

The Airweights carry better, especially in a pocket (steel models make you look happy to see people) but in a belt holster either works.

A 2" Jframe most can do reasonably well out to 10-15 yards accurately in a hurry. Past that takes a bit more work due to short sight radius.

I'm typically not a laser fan on pistols, but J frames are an exception. Crimson Trace Lasergrips turn them into a night/distance piece more effectively and can be used from odd positions like seated easier.

If you can solve the issue with five rounds, all is good. Past that, bigger guns with more rounds are better. Speer's 135 Gold Dot "For Snubs" is specifically made for short barrel expansion, and about the best .38 load out there. I don't advise using .357s in a Jframe. More flash and blast and very little gain due to the short barrel.

meathead19
01-11-2013, 14:07
If I can't get 'er done with 5 rds, I'm in the wrong place.

Yes, things can happen, but where I go/work......VERY unlikely.

Not saying I don't carry the 19/17 (going somewhere unfamiliar/road trips, etc.), but a J frame is usually my EDC.

hogship
01-11-2013, 21:14
If I can't get 'er done with 5 rds, I'm in the wrong place.

Yes, things can happen, but where I go/work......VERY unlikely.

Not saying I don't carry the 19/17 (going somewhere unfamiliar/road trips, etc.), but a J frame is usually my EDC.

You might not be able to "get 'er done" with five rounds, and you might not be able to do it with 17 rounds either.........but, there is certainly going to be times you can't get the job done with five, but could get it done if you had more.

ooc

blastfact
01-11-2013, 22:21
My wife has a 60 Pro.

I like her 60 Pro over all better than my 4" 686P. She is liking my M&P Talon 9mm. I would take her 60 Pro if she wanted to trade. :)

While another poster in this thread said they changed out the 60 Pro Stocks. I would leave the wifes stock with the OEM high grips. I've already took the stones and springs to it. It is a great semi pocket rocket.

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/638/medium/357.jpg

The 60 Pro impress's the hell out of me!

DEE50
01-16-2013, 22:59
Would anyone be willing to post pictures of the gun being concealed? As a lanky male I am concerned about hiding it during the summer.

countrygun
01-16-2013, 23:27
I would like to offer a bit of advice here and with all good intentions.

I sense that you are a bit inexperienced with this type of handgun. While they are fine guns they are not the easiest to shoot to their capabilities. I really suggest you find a place where you can rent and shoot one or find someone who will let you shoot theirs. I further REALLY suggest you get some professional training, above the basic CCW class if your State has one, because the difference between no training and good training with this type of pistol is literally the difference between life and death.

A S&W 60 is not inexpensive and I for one would rather see someone with a Charter Arms snubbie and good training than a S&W and no training.

DEE50
01-17-2013, 01:24
I would like to offer a bit of advice here and with all good intentions.

I sense that you are a bit inexperienced with this type of handgun. While they are fine guns they are not the easiest to shoot to their capabilities. I really suggest you find a place where you can rent and shoot one or find someone who will let you shoot theirs. I further REALLY suggest you get some professional training, above the basic CCW class if your State has one, because the difference between no training and good training with this type of pistol is literally the difference between life and death.

A S&W 60 is not inexpensive and I for one would rather see someone with a Charter Arms snubbie and good training than a S&W and no training.

Thanks for the input. I would definitely train extensively with the gun!

MrMurphy
01-17-2013, 06:10
A Kangaroo holster will hide any J-frame in the armpit (shoulder holster style) under a buttondown shirt easily, as long as it's dark colored and preferably patterned (not a white dress shirt).

Most J's hide well in pockets with a pocket holster, though the hammer models like the 60 can snag, so they do better in inside-waistband type rigs. Ankle holsters work but they're slow as hell.

Considering I daily wear a Glock 30 and occasionally a 1911 full size under nothing more than a button-down shirt untucked..... hiding a 60 is easy. A thin in-shape 5'10" male I know can hide a Glock 17 under a t-shirt and nothing else. It's not THAT hard.

chief63
01-17-2013, 15:24
My wife has a 60 Pro.

I like her 60 Pro over all better than my 4" 686P. She is liking my M&P Talon 9mm. I would take her 60 Pro if she wanted to trade. :)

While another poster in this thread said they changed out the 60 Pro Stocks. I would leave the wifes stock with the OEM high grips. I've already took the stones and springs to it. It is a great semi pocket rocket.

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/638/medium/357.jpg

The 60 Pro impress's the hell out of me!

Very nice. I have the 640 pro and carry it often. I would like to add a 60 pro or LS to the collection.

mac66
01-17-2013, 16:16
When I was a cop in the 70s and 80s, everybody, and I mean everybody carried a 60 or the blued model 36. Most of us simply wrapped some rubber bands around the handle. This not only was the poor mans Pachmyer grip but it also prevented the pistol from sliding down inside your pants, ala appendix carry. I don't recall anyone using a holster for one of these off duty. My 60 is now with my 84 year old dad who carries it in his belt almost daily.

And no he never got an concealed permit. :whistling:

DEE50
01-18-2013, 15:25
So what are some good ways to carry it IWB?

jetflier1989
01-18-2013, 16:20
I just bought a used model 60 (pre-lock) two days ago for $375.00. I ran the serial and it was produced in 1984. Obviously because it is stainless it still looks great but mechanically it's superb too. I plan on carrying it IWB appendix. I know the newer Airweights are easier to carry but there is something about the SS J frames I still prefer. They are great guns but like another poster stated - Need some range time to master.

DEE50
01-19-2013, 18:13
So if you buy it brand new with a 2 inch barrel can you later get a 3 inch barrel? If so where?

JFrame
01-19-2013, 18:49
...Cool -- two 60-Pro photos in one thread! I'll make a third... :cool:

http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx12/Dennva/3inchpr1024x768.jpg

The stock wooden grips were okay, but I just wanted a little more "grippability." I didn't really care for the bicycle inner tube solution, so I just ordered Hogue Monogrips from Amazon for 17 bucks.

I LOVE Pachmayr Compac grips on my K-frames, but the Hogue on the J-frames seems to do the trick for me (I put those on the 640 that is my wife's nightstand piece).


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DEE50
01-21-2013, 12:29
So can someone show a comparison of the model 60 to other guns? Also are the barrel lengths interchangeable? If so, where can you purchase a longer or shorter barrel?

countrygun
01-21-2013, 13:21
So can someone show a comparison of the model 60 to other guns? Also are the barrel lengths interchangeable? If so, where can you purchase a longer or shorter barrel?

Oh, you need to do a lot of research.

S&W barrels are not interchangeable without a qualified gunsmith doing it and it is a semi-permanent change IF the barrel is available. Dan Wessons were shooter swappable but they were much larger and unique in that aspect.

A 3" barrel is my favorite on a CCW revolver for a number of reasons and kick myself for passing a couple of 3" 36s up. The 36 is the blued version of the 60.

I guess I have to make do with my 3' 65 :supergrin:

Berto
01-21-2013, 13:21
So can someone show a comparison of the model 60 to other guns? Also are the barrel lengths interchangeable? If so, where can you purchase a longer or shorter barrel?

The model 60 typically came in two barrel lengths;
inch and 7/8's (usually just called 'two inch')

and the 3" version, which usually had a full lug except the newer Pro models which are more like a tapered or 1/2 lug.

It is possible to change the barrel, but they are not really 'interchangable' without gunsmithing involved.

JFrame
01-21-2013, 14:18
I guess I have to make do with my 3' 65 :supergrin:


Check the top revolver in my photo... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC_doubleup.gif


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ithaca_deerslayer
01-21-2013, 14:30
So can someone show a comparison of the model 60 to other guns? Also are the barrel lengths interchangeable? If so, where can you purchase a longer or shorter barrel?

I have the S&W 642 which is the same size. Compared to Glock 26, Kahr PM9, and Ruger LCP.

Note that when carrying IWB, the amount of gun above the beltline can be very little with a snubby revolver. Everybody is different. With me, printing is most likely above the beltline where a square slide pokes against a t-shirt. The snubby solves that :)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7059/6777196488_0baf7ba452_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7209/6887754683_11f8624aa8_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7038/6887754863_36ef529741_b.jpg

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countrygun
01-21-2013, 15:10
Check the top revolver in my photo... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC_doubleup.gif


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:yourock:.


Almost identical to mine, right down to the grips, I just have the carbon steel hammer, and trigger.

DEE50
01-21-2013, 22:21
I have the S&W 642 which is the same size. Compared to Glock 26, Kahr PM9, and Ruger LCP.

Note that when carrying IWB, the amount of gun above the beltline can be very little with a snubby revolver. Everybody is different. With me, printing is most likely above the beltline where a square slide pokes against a t-shirt. The snubby solves that :)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7059/6777196488_0baf7ba452_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7209/6887754683_11f8624aa8_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7038/6887754863_36ef529741_b.jpg

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I joined the NRA, have you yet?

Now THIS is helpful! Are they still being produced with the "2 inch barrel" or for that matter, anything shorter than the 3?

MrMurphy
01-22-2013, 00:03
The J-frame series has more 2" guns produced than probably all other S&Ws combined.

Since the mid 50s, they have been the de facto cop backup gun/plainclothes all the time gun. Colt gave them a run for their money with the Detective Special, but the S&W is still in production.

Finding a J-frame NOT a 2" is the hard one.