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rkb58
01-11-2013, 15:49
My LGS got 20 units in this morning and the first G-30S out the door followed me home this afternoon !!!
Test fire date 1-7-13.
Pics and range report to follow.

mad220860
01-11-2013, 15:53
Congrats!! Keep us posted!

1smoothredneck
01-11-2013, 16:27
Congrats. I'm interested if the accuracy will be more akin to the phenomenal Glock 30, or the average service pistol accuracy potential of the G36?? Please do keep us posted! May be the UberGlock....

beforeobamabans
01-11-2013, 16:56
What is a 30S? Hopefully not this ridiculous combination of a 36 slide on a 30 body.

mrsurfboard
01-11-2013, 16:57
What is a 30S? Hopefully not this ridiculous combination of a 36 slide on a 30 body.

Yes it is and why is it ridiculous? Because it's slide is not thick as a brick?

Sharky7
01-11-2013, 17:05
Someone at Glock has obviously been reading forums to get this idea. Hopefully they read the threads about the single stack 9mm's as well.

mrsurfboard
01-11-2013, 17:09
The 30S just proves that the slide on the G21 and G30 didn't need to be as thick as it is.

GruGrux515
01-11-2013, 17:13
What exactly does a thinner slide mean though

mrsurfboard
01-11-2013, 17:16
What exactly does a thinner slide mean though

Exactly what is sounds like. It's not as thick, width wise. Glock 45s have thicker slide then most other guns in the same caliber. When the G36 came out, it's slide was similar to those of the 9mm and 40 glocks.

District18
01-11-2013, 18:07
The 30S just proves that the slide on the G21 and G30 didn't need to be as thick as it is.

Exactly! Why not make an elongated G36? A full size single stack .45, it'd be a huge success. That is of course if they got it running right.

evilspringer
01-11-2013, 18:13
Congrats.
Waiting for the pics.

jr240sx
01-11-2013, 18:14
Congrats :thumbsup:

but we do need pics...

Zertek
01-11-2013, 18:24
Congrats cant wait for your pics

PattonT
01-11-2013, 18:39
Seriously, pics? The 30s has been my dream. I have wanted to like the 30 but the rediciously thick heavy slide was fail. I sold them both.

tacbandit
01-11-2013, 18:45
Yes it is and why is it ridiculous? Because it's slide is not thick as a brick?

lol...

MNBud
01-11-2013, 18:47
Our Glock rep stopped by the shop on Thursday and I jokingly asked him if he had a slim 9 with him and he said no but I do have a 30S, so he went and brought it in. This was built with a 3rd generation 30SF and a 36 slide. It is clearly stamped so it wasn't just a frankenGlock that had been put together.I'm not certain if they are all going to be the SF frame. He also had a beautiful cut-away Glock that was really awesome to see every operation of the pistol.I'm not sure if I can post pictures from this I-pad but if not I'll post later when I get back to the computer.

Goodrich
01-11-2013, 18:53
Our Glock rep stopped by the shop on Thursday and I jokingly asked him if he had a slim 9 with him and he said no but I do have a 30S, so he went and brought it in. This was built with a 3rd generation 30SF and a 36 slide. It is clearly stamped so it wasn't just a frankenGlock that had been put together.I'm not certain if they are all going to be the SF frame. He also had a beautiful cut-away Glock that was really awesome to see every operation of the pistol.I'm not sure if I can post pictures from this I-pad but if not I'll post later when I get back to the computer.

Can't wait to see them.

tacbandit
01-11-2013, 19:28
My LGS got 20 units in this morning and the first G-30S out the door followed me home this afternoon !!!
Test fire date 1-7-13.
Pics and range report to follow.

Congrats! My dealer's watching for mine. I have 3 questions for ya...Are they SF, do they come with 3 mags, and what are they pricing them at? Thanks

MNBud
01-11-2013, 19:30
I didn't realize that this picture didn't show the SF designation, I'll look through the rest and see if I have a picture that shows the SF stamp.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/MNBud/cut-awayGlock_zpsda278ac0.jpghttp://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/MNBud/30SGlock_zpse2f29c11.jpg
I was told that these were being built on Gen 3 frames, but looking through the 2013 Glock Annual on page 8 they state they are a Gen 4 frame. Aren't all the Gen 4's coming with changeable backstraps? This model does not have that.

tacbandit
01-11-2013, 19:35
What exactly does a thinner slide mean though

1.10" vs 1.28" width
over 3 oz's difference I'm told, in weight

njl
01-11-2013, 19:45
So, are the 21 and 30 over-built, or is the 30S/36 going to batter the slide or frame? Or do they use a stiffer RSA to compensate for reduced slide mass?

Would the reduced slide mass enable them to run reliably with ammo downloaded (minor PF) lower than a 21 or 30 will tolerate?...thinking it could be the next big thing in MajorSub.

bac1023
01-11-2013, 19:48
Congrats! :cool:

It probably should have been out right after the G36 was introduced so many years ago.

Glock Master
01-11-2013, 20:39
Congrats on the G30S.

flysubcompact
01-11-2013, 21:04
What is the magazine capacity of that new Glock?

g29onboard
01-11-2013, 21:08
What is the magazine capacity of that new Glock?

Same as the regular slide G30 10+1 with included mags.

I will grab one of these and will carry with the 9 round flush mag exclusively.

SJ 40
01-11-2013, 21:17
Congrats ! Let us know what you think. SJ 40

itstime
01-11-2013, 21:26
Congrats

ThinkMud
01-11-2013, 21:26
pics or or it's vaporware:rofl:

I'm gone
01-11-2013, 21:30
I'd like to see it!!

flysubcompact
01-11-2013, 21:51
Same as the regular slide G30 10+1 with included mags.

I will grab one of these and will carry with the 9 round flush mag exclusively.

Thanks. Glock's page doesn't have this one listed yet, so I could not see mag specs.

I've shot the fatter compact Glock .45. Shot great, but chunky. If this new one doesn't have any hiccups, it will be the next one I buy. Been wanting a .45 anyhoo.

g29onboard
01-11-2013, 21:59
Just to clarify, this still I the fatter compact Glock. Just with a slimmer slide.

It does happen to be the short frame. So it's Glocks skinny fat guy, if you will.

SCSU74
01-11-2013, 23:52
Sounds like a solution to a problem that didn't exist. Probably easier than making a single stack 9 like everyone wanted


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Gallium
01-12-2013, 02:27
Just to clarify, this still I the fatter compact Glock. Just with a slimmer slide.

It does happen to be the short frame. So it's Glocks skinny fat guy, if you will.


Do you have an English version of this post? :)

JakeFromStateFarm
01-12-2013, 03:01
Let me know how the speratic ejection problems are. :rofl:

silversport
01-12-2013, 04:32
So, are the 21 and 30 over-built, or is the 30S/36 going to batter the slide or frame? Or do they use a stiffer RSA to compensate for reduced slide mass?

Would the reduced slide mass enable them to run reliably with ammo downloaded (minor PF) lower than a 21 or 30 will tolerate?...thinking it could be the next big thing in MajorSub.

the slide thickness on the G21 is thicker as it was developed for the 10mm G20...some minor tweaks and GLOCK had a G21...the G30 followed suit...the G36 developed its own slide (thinner) and sometime later someone at GLOCK (and perhaps many owners) found the G36 slide on the G30 frame made a 10+1 GLOCK .45ACP pistol with a slide similar in thickness to the midsize 9mm/357 SiG/.40 S&W GLOCKs...

Bill

4949shooter
01-12-2013, 04:33
Range report please!

ede
01-12-2013, 04:55
What exactly does a thinner slide mean though

Two things, reduced thickness which is what most people are wanting and increased slide speed which reduces felt recoil by making the recoil inpulse over a shorter period of time.

I've run a 36 slide on a 30 frame for years on a game gun and it works very well. Accuracey is equal to the original 30 frame slide combination and recoil seems more managable, but I do use very light loads that won't make major.

Beretta92guy
01-12-2013, 05:48
Let me know how the speratic ejection problems are. :rofl:

beat me to it:embarassed:

wonder if this new model has out-of-spec slides like the rest of the glock line of junk????

tacbandit
01-12-2013, 06:48
beat me to it:embarassed:

wonder if this new model has out-of-spec slides like the rest of the glock line of junk????

Hmmm___One thing's for sure___They have a whole slide, unlike some others out there! :banana:

tacbandit
01-12-2013, 06:52
Sounds like a solution to a problem that didn't exist. Probably easier than making a single stack 9 like everyone wanted


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Looks like they made it pretty clear this time__I wouldn't be lookin' for a single stack :faint:

Restless28
01-12-2013, 07:19
God bless the Beta testers.

Legacy Shooters
01-12-2013, 07:23
I was wanting a Glock 36 but now i might just try to find one of these

SDGlock23
01-12-2013, 07:36
I hope it works out well, in the past Glock has always used the fat slides on their .45's, even the .45 Gap models have the fat slides. I had heard it was and issue of reliability, but maybe that's not the case. The early GAP models (pre-release) showed to have the slimmer 9mm slides, but this changed.

ThinkMud
01-12-2013, 07:58
I was wanting a Glock 36 but now i might just try to find one of these

I had 2 g36's over the last few years an always ended up selling them. I kept my 30SF model and love it. But honestly I did put the 36 slide on it a few times just messing around and it felt great for IWB carry. Lighter and not as fat. I never tried to shoot it that way though. I'd be willing to buy a 30S just so I could carry .45 easier. I hated shooting the 36 because of the skinny grip. I shoot the 30SF better than all my Glocks.

GruGrux515
01-12-2013, 08:42
Two things, reduced thickness which is what most people are wanting and increased slide speed which reduces felt recoil by making the recoil inpulse over a shorter period of time.

I've run a 36 slide on a 30 frame for years on a game gun and it works very well. Accuracey is equal to the original 30 frame slide combination and recoil seems more managable, but I do use very light loads that won't make major.


Oh alright I just assumed it was the heavier slide that reduced the felt recoil.

So basically the 30s is a 36 but with a double stack mag allowing more ammo to be carried in a given mag

Rustin
01-12-2013, 08:48
The 30S just proves that the slide on the G21 and G30 didn't need to be as thick as it is.


Because most Glockers could care less. When you pose the question on GT or any other Glock forum about what they want in a new Glock, the 30s would be at the bottom of that list. Also, it's something that you could frankenstein together anyway. It only shows how lazy Glock is, and it's very nigh to being an insult to the Glock community.

If Glock really cared about it's civi market, they wold listen to the tens of thousands of requests for a single stack 9mm cc pistol. (OR even better, a glock 1911!:wavey:)

SCSU74
01-12-2013, 22:10
I still find it hard to believe anyone thought Glock would make a 1911. A single stack 9, that is somewhat realistic given the 36. A 1911 is night and day different. The time it takes to make one and hand fit the parts is in direct opposition to how glock's are mass produced. Guess people can dream...


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AgentM79
01-12-2013, 23:10
Now maybe we can get .45GAP with a more narrow slide. If they can make it work for 9mm/.40 holsters, the .40S&W will have some competition in the LE Market. In any event, I want to try one of these 30S models.

skyboss_4evr
01-12-2013, 23:31
beat me to it:embarassed:

wonder if this new model has out-of-spec slides like the rest of the glock line of junk????

Still haven't figured out that you're not wanted around here??

I'm embarrassed for you.

TxGlock9
01-13-2013, 03:26
The heck are the pics?

MSims
01-13-2013, 06:41
Shot the G30s a friend bought... My conclusion since i carry the G30sf... It feels alittle snappier then the G27 but then again what you expect it is 3 ounces lighter and just a hair 2mm wider then the g27... Why i like the G30sf better... Its not snappy but more of a push back and feels smoother then shooting a 9 mm with the tightest follow up groups... If you like shooting the .40 cal with that snappy feel then you will like the G30s...

g29onboard
01-13-2013, 09:45
Does anyone have the measurements of the G30 frame width where the slide rides and the g36 slide width.

MotoGlock
01-13-2013, 10:23
beat me to it:embarassed:

wonder if this new model has out-of-spec slides like the rest of the glock line of junk????

Go away.
No one here cares for your lame opinion.

3rdgen40
01-13-2013, 12:26
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rkb58
01-13-2013, 12:27
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b512/nridge128/Glock/P1120180.jpg

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b512/nridge128/Glock/P1120174.jpg

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b512/nridge128/Glock/P1120182.jpg

glock2740
01-13-2013, 12:31
I like it. Might try one out, but want to see it in person first. The G36 feels like crap to me. I like my G29 and G30, but they are a tad thick IMO.

glock2740
01-13-2013, 12:34
Sadly, Glock doesn't even acknowledge them on their website. Even though it's on the cover of the latest Glock Annual magazine. :dunno:

rkb58
01-13-2013, 12:34
For all those who don't believe. Here it is, a 36 slide on a Gen 3 - 30sf frame. See picture links in earlier post.

My dealer got in 20, I bought the first one out the door, and it's a great shooter.

Now, let's move on to other news and products coming out of Shot Show on Tuesday.

Goat 36
01-13-2013, 13:14
Shot the G30s a friend bought... My conclusion since i carry the G30sf... It feels alittle snappier then the G27 but then again what you expect it is 3 ounces lighter and just a hair 2mm wider then the g27... Why i like the G30sf better... Its not snappy but more of a push back and feels smoother then shooting a 9 mm with the tightest follow up groups... If you like shooting the .40 cal with that snappy feel then you will like the G30s...

The Glock 36 feels 'similar' to the Glock 27, but slightly less snappy as most will attest.

So, how is the 30S, with a significantly wider backstrap than the 36, larger/heavier frame, larger mag with 4 more rounds, going to feel snappier than the Glock 27?

You might want to shoot it again, maybe side by side with a 27.

The 30 feels great as far as recoil impulse, the 36 has a noticeable recoil and muzzle rise, the 30S is in between the two with about 98% of the handling of the original 30.

The 30S would never have been such a hit if it was 'snappier' than the Glock 27.

BuckyP
01-13-2013, 13:46
Sadly, Glock doesn't even acknowledge them on their website. Even though it's on the cover of the latest Glock Annual magazine. :dunno:

LOL. I think the GAP pistols were out for 3 years before they were mentioned on the web site.

MSims
01-13-2013, 13:47
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b512/nridge128/Glock/P1120180.jpg

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b512/nridge128/Glock/P1120174.jpg

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b512/nridge128/Glock/P1120182.jpg

Look at the glock 30 and the 30s backstrap in the pic... Looks like the G30 is slimmer or am I seeing things... So is the G30s you have not the SF frame?

njl
01-13-2013, 13:51
The Glock 36 feels 'similar' to the Glock 27, but slightly less snappy as most will attest.

So, how is the 30S, with a significantly wider backstrap than the 36, larger/heavier frame, larger mag with 4 more rounds, going to feel snappier than the Glock 27?

You might want to shoot it again, maybe side by side with a 27.

The 30 feels great as far as recoil impulse, the 36 has a noticeable recoil and muzzle rise, the 30S is in between the two with about 98% of the handling of the original 30.

The 30S would never have been such a hit if it was 'snappier' than the Glock 27.

How they all feel relative to each other probably depends quite a bit on the ammo you shoot through each. There's enough variation just within .40s&w that you might form totally different opinions on the G27 if you fired 165gr Winchester whitebox vs 155gr CCI Blazer.

sugarcreek
01-13-2013, 13:57
Exactly! Why not make an elongated G36? A full size single stack .45, it'd be a huge success. That is of course if they got it running right.

No Duh Right??? In a SF kinda way!!!

g29onboard
01-13-2013, 13:57
Look at the glock 30 and the 30s backstrap in the pic... Looks like the G30 is slimmer or am I seeing things... So is the G30s you have not the SF frame?

I was wondering the same thing. Great question.

Goat 36
01-13-2013, 14:54
How they all feel relative to each other probably depends quite a bit on the ammo you shoot through each. There's enough variation just within .40s&w that you might form totally different opinions on the G27 if you fired 165gr Winchester whitebox vs 155gr CCI Blazer.

Well, this is true to 'some' extent, BUT the recoil signature of the .40 is distinctly different than that of the .45.

So, if you compare 180 gr .40 of any brand or bullet design out of the G27 and 230 gr .45 of any brand or design out of the 36 and 30, 9 times out of 10 the consensus will be that the .40 is 'snappier' or however you want to describe in your own words 'more felt recoil/more muzzle rise.'

There is scientific data to prove a difference in the recoil between .40 and .45, not just different people's perceptions/opinions.

Here's Chuck Hawk's Handgun Recoil Table with measured, testable figures to consider.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_recoil_table.htm

Look at the difference in recoil energy and recoil velocity between any/all grain weights of .40 compared to .45.

It's significant.

I wish more newcomers to handguns could view these tables before purchasing their first handgun. There is a logical 'myth' that .40 has less recoil than .45, and even gun dealers have perpetuated this myth when selling .40s.

I have friends who own a .40 for home defense specifically because they believe it's more powerful than 9mm and less recoil than .45.

Sorry for taking us off track.

Butch
01-13-2013, 15:55
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b512/nridge128/Glock/P1120180.jpg

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b512/nridge128/Glock/P1120174.jpg

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If you put this: at the front of each link, and this: at the rear, the picture will open in the post like this:
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3rdgen40
01-13-2013, 16:12
Sadly, Glock doesn't even acknowledge them on their website. Even though it's on the cover of the latest Glock Annual magazine. :dunno:
Glock is too busy redesigning recoil springs and ejectors to update their website...:supergrin:

cowboy1964
01-13-2013, 16:16
I might be interested in the 30S if it had a Gen 4 frame.

I'm surprised Glock even is doing the 30S. Isn't the 38/39 their "preferred" slimmer .45?

cowboy1964
01-13-2013, 16:20
Well, this is true to 'some' extent, BUT the recoil signature of the .40 is distinctly different than that of the .45.

So, if you compare 180 gr .40 of any brand or bullet design out of the G27 and 230 gr .45 of any brand or design out of the 36 and 30, 9 times out of 10 the consensus will be that the .40 is 'snappier' or however you want to describe in your own words 'more felt recoil/more muzzle rise.'

There is scientific data to prove a difference in the recoil between .40 and .45, not just different people's perceptions/opinions.

Here's Chuck Hawk's Handgun Recoil Table with measured, testable figures to consider.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_recoil_table.htm

Look at the difference in recoil energy and recoil velocity between any/all grain weights of .40 compared to .45.

It's significant.

I wish more newcomers to handguns could view these tables before purchasing their first handgun. There is a logical 'myth' that .40 has less recoil than .45, and even gun dealers have perpetuated this myth when selling .40s.

I have friends who own a .40 for home defense specifically because they believe it's more powerful than 9mm and less recoil than .45.

Sorry for taking us off track.

Not to continue the derailment but.... at this point I prefer the recoil of a 180gr .40 over a 230gr .45. The .40 is closer to a 9mm feel, albeit a bit heavier. There is very little "snappiness" to it though, that's more in the 155 and 165gr loads.

lyodbraun
01-13-2013, 16:49
It looks nice but I wont give up my 30SF for that new 30S LOL, I aso notice that they are making those new .45s with polygonal rifling and not the octagonal ?? wonder why that is ??

thinktwice
01-13-2013, 17:16
I like the idea, I had herd of others on here putting there 36 slides on their 30's. I have a 36 and a 30 and I was just wondering if when you put the 36 slide on the 30 would you use the 30 spring and guide rod or the 36 spring and guide rod? I mean I don't know they might be the same. I am going to do the swap and want to make sure. Thanks

Goat 36
01-13-2013, 17:43
Not to continue the derailment but.... at this point I prefer the recoil of a 180gr .40 over a 230gr .45. The .40 is closer to a 9mm feel, albeit a bit heavier. There is very little "snappiness" to it though, that's more in the 155 and 165gr loads.

I agree.

I noticed the same recoil similarities between 9 and .40 as well.Though, I'm not sure I even have a preference between the 3 calibers anymore.

I tend to find .40 and .45 more consistently accurate regardless of platform than 9mm, but I know there are plenty very accurate 9mm handguns out there as well.

If I had to choose based on 'feel' or 'handling' alone, I suppose I'd choose 9mm. Just so easy to be effective at speed with the 9mm in any decent platform.

Back to the 30S.

(Hell, we all log on here to read and chat about guns, right?)

Glockwork Orange
01-13-2013, 17:46
tagged...

caponec2
01-13-2013, 17:48
so by introducing this, i would assume they will phase the 30 out right? no sense in having both in production?

Goat 36
01-13-2013, 17:53
I like the idea, I had herd of others on here putting there 36 slides on their 30's. I have a 36 and a 30 and I was just wondering if when you put the 36 slide on the 30 would you use the 30 spring and guide rod or the 36 spring and guide rod? I mean I don't know they might be the same. I am going to do the swap and want to make sure. Thanks

They are the same.

You can simply use the entire 36 upper including slide, barrel and recoil spring assembly. That's why there's so little to be concerned with when you test it out. The barrel, RSA, ejector and extractor are all exactly the same.

ThinkMud
01-13-2013, 18:04
...I aso notice that they are making those new .45s with polygonal rifling and not the octagonal ?? wonder why that is ??

Now that is something new I haven't heard yet. I thought one of the reasons the G30 was so accurate was because of the different riffling!? I don't think that should change! Also something about the rifling making for better pressure or something? They shouldn't change it if you ask me.

Butch
01-13-2013, 19:06
It looks nice but I wont give up my 30SF for that new 30S LOL, I aso notice that they are making those new .45s with polygonal rifling and not the octagonal ?? wonder why that is ??
Glock uses 'polygonal' rifling in their barrels as compared to 'cut' rifling (with lands and grooves). .45 barrels have polygonal rifling in the shape of an octagon (octagonal-eight sided), the rest of Glocks barrels have polygonal rifling in the shape of a hexagon (hexagonal-six sided).

More info and pics-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygonal_rifling

PhilD
01-13-2013, 19:53
Look at the difference in recoil energy and recoil velocity between any/all grain weights of .40 compared to .45.

It's significant.It is also comparing different weight pistols, so is not a true comparison.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but while that data may be accurate, you need to compare apples to apples, and not light apples to heavy apples.

The data for 9x19 shows what a difference weight can make for the same bullet weight and velocity;

9x19 (115 at 1155) 1.5 5.2 15.0
9x19 (115 at 1155) 2.0 3.8 11.1

The .40 data is all based on a 1.5 lbs pistol and the .45 data is based on 2.25 and 2.5 lbs pistols, so it is difficult to directly compare them.

JTSmith
01-13-2013, 20:15
Well, this is true to 'some' extent, BUT the recoil signature of the .40 is distinctly different than that of the .45.

So, if you compare 180 gr .40 of any brand or bullet design out of the G27 and 230 gr .45 of any brand or design out of the 36 and 30, 9 times out of 10 the consensus will be that the .40 is 'snappier' or however you want to describe in your own words 'more felt recoil/more muzzle rise.'

There is scientific data to prove a difference in the recoil between .40 and .45, not just different people's perceptions/opinions.

Here's Chuck Hawk's Handgun Recoil Table with measured, testable figures to consider.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_recoil_table.htm

Look at the difference in recoil energy and recoil velocity between any/all grain weights of .40 compared to .45.

It's significant.

I wish more newcomers to handguns could view these tables before purchasing their first handgun. There is a logical 'myth' that .40 has less recoil than .45, and even gun dealers have perpetuated this myth when selling .40s.

I have friends who own a .40 for home defense specifically because they believe it's more powerful than 9mm and less recoil than .45.

Sorry for taking us off track.

They don't use the same weight pistol for .40 and .45 Auto in those test...


EDIT: Sorry, Phil, didn't see your post. Glad somebody else caught it too.

et45
01-13-2013, 20:33
Exactly! Why not make an elongated G36? A full size single stack .45, it'd be a huge success. That is of course if they got it running right.

DING,DING.DING!!!!!! Thats the Glock I have wanted ever since the 36 was introduced

PattonT
01-13-2013, 20:47
DING,DING.DING!!!!!! Thats the Glock I have wanted ever since the 36 was introduced

Kahr makes a TP 45 that is a fullsize single stack.

Doc Pathfinder
01-13-2013, 21:32
Now I think I have made up my mind what my next new Glock will be!

Goat 36
01-13-2013, 21:36
It is also comparing different weight pistols, so is not a true comparison.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but while that data may be accurate, you need to compare apples to apples, and not light apples to heavy apples.

The data for 9x19 shows what a difference weight can make for the same bullet weight and velocity;

9x19 (115 at 1155) 1.5 5.2 15.0
9x19 (115 at 1155) 2.0 3.8 11.1

The .40 data is all based on a 1.5 lbs pistol and the .45 data is based on 2.25 and 2.5 lbs pistols, so it is difficult to directly compare them.

Yes, I was aware of the weight difference, but didn't, initially, think it was enough to discount my point.

After doing the math and calculating in the weight difference, increasing the recoil energy and velocity in the .45 figures, the numbers are closer than I thought.

For the .45:

R/E---R/V
10.26 19.73
9.52 18.48
10.64 19.46
11.06 19.99
10.5 19.46

But, it's still pretty clear that the .40 does NOT have significantly 'less' recoil than the .45 --which was my original point.

voyager4520
01-14-2013, 05:32
I wonder if they'll do a Gen4 version.

Morris
01-14-2013, 08:08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keqwALyFFME&feature=em-uploademail

Posted this morning. Their YouTube channel.

lyodbraun
01-14-2013, 08:27
Just saw this video LOL and was going to post it also...

GruGrux515
01-14-2013, 08:34
So those who have either got and shot the 30s or put a 36 slide on the 30 frame how does the recoil differ with a smaller slide on a bigger frame? Is it relatively the same compared to the 30 or the big brother the 21?

Glock30Eric
01-14-2013, 08:50
tagged

3rdgen40
01-14-2013, 09:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keqwALyFFME&feature=em-uploademail

Posted this morning. Their YouTube channel.
I think I saw some brass hitting him in the face.:whistling:

Slalom.45
01-14-2013, 15:32
Does it seem odd that they are bringing out a Gen 4 G30, but the 30s is built on the Gen 3 SF frame? I guess they are trying to differ the pistols enough to generate sales of each, but as someone waiting for the 30s it's annoying not to be getting the Gen 4 frame/grip texture.

Seawolf
01-14-2013, 15:52
This was a long time coming and I believe they got motivated to do something once they saw the popularity of the XDS 45. Why Glock seems to always be a year or two behind other gun manufacturers is beyond me. I am excited for the Glock 30S, but we, the Glock community, have been telling them we wanted this 2 years ago. FWIW they still haven't given us a single stack Glock 26 either.

More on the G30S
http://www.gundigest.com/tactical-gear-articles/tactical-military-arms-blog/video-the-new-glock-30s

G21
01-14-2013, 15:56
This was a long time coming and I believe they got motivated to do something once they saw the popularity of the XDS 45. Why Glock seems to always be a year or two behind other gun manufacturers is beyond me. I am excited for the Glock 30S, but we, the Glock community, have been telling them we wanted this 2 years ago. FWIW they still haven't given us a single stack Glock 26 either.

More on the G30S
http://www.gundigest.com/tactical-gear-articles/tactical-military-arms-blog/video-the-new-glock-30s


I thought the G36 was out for a while already-like several years. The XDS 45 is very recent, correct? So didn't Glock beat Springfield to the market with a single stack 45? If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. G36-6 round magazine, XDS 45- 5 round magazine.

rilkil23
01-14-2013, 16:00
I'm obviously missing something because glock.com has the width of the G30 at 1.27 inches and the G30S has a width of 1.28 inches. What gives?

GRT45
01-14-2013, 16:00
Does it seem odd that they are bringing out a Gen 4 G30, but the 30s is built on the Gen 3 SF frame? I guess they are trying to differ the pistols enough to generate sales of each, but as someone waiting for the 30s it's annoying not to be getting the Gen 4 frame/grip texture.

It is disappointing (to me) that the G30S frame is the Gen3 G30SF frame and not Gen4. We are upgrading the two G30SF Gen3 pistols in our household to G30 Gen4 specifically for the more aggressive grip texture and larger mag release.

It's likely that the new G30S used the 30SF frame because the G30 Gen4 frame wasn't yet available in house when Glock began the lengthy development and field testing of the G30S over a year ago.

The G30S doesn't hold great interest for me because I need/want the wider, heavier slide for an RMR sight and greater mass suitable for .45 Super ammo and conversions to 10mm and .460 Rowland caliber. However, the G30S is a very welcome improvement for many who are sensitive about the slide width of the G30 for CCW.

GRT45
01-14-2013, 16:11
I'm obviously missing something because glock.com has the width of the G30 at 1.27 inches and the G30S has a width of 1.28 inches. What gives?

Based upon published measurements that GT members have provided before, the widths that Glock provides in their specifications on the web site are measured at the widest part of the pistol grip which is wider than the width of the slide. The web site diagram makes it appear that the width dimension is for the slide, but evidently it is the grip. Since the frame of the new G30S is the G30SF frame, the width spec hasn't changed (32.5 mm, rounded to 1.28 inches). Glock needs to note somewhere in their marketing literature the exact difference in slide width dimensions between the two pistols.

badcard
01-14-2013, 17:25
Sadly, Glock doesn't even acknowledge them on their website. Even though it's on the cover of the latest Glock Annual magazine. :dunno:

It is there, you gotta hunt a bit to find it:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8089/8381249837_d8d590c35b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27660206@N02/8381249837/)
G30S (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27660206@N02/8381249837/) by briancre (http://www.flickr.com/people/27660206@N02/), on Flickr

TX58
01-14-2013, 17:29
So those who have either got and shot the 30s or put a 36 slide on the 30 frame how does the recoil differ with a smaller slide on a bigger frame? Is it relatively the same compared to the 30 or the big brother the 21?

I have owned and used a Glock 36 upper on a Glock 30sf lower for about 18 months. I have fired over 1000 (one thousand) rounds through it. It does not (seem to me to) have more recoil than the standard Glock 30. It is the most accurate Glock I own and, using 200 grain Gold Dots, I have gotten two inch groups over a sand bag at 25 yards. My Glock has never failed to feed, fire or function (eject) in that thousand + rounds. I have fired Remington 185 grain +p, 230 grain Winchester white box, 230 grain Federal hydra shok (and 230 Federal grain ball), 230 grain CCI Blazer, 185 grain Winchester Silvertip, and 200 grain +p (and non +p) CCI Gold Dots. Not one problem, and the MOST accurate Glock I own. I look forward to the "factory" version and range reports (please).

GruGrux515
01-14-2013, 17:34
Called my local shop here in pa an they have no clue when they will be able to get them. Any way to contact Glock and ask them? Would they have any answers

ca survivor
01-14-2013, 17:36
Congrats!

thesilverbullet
01-14-2013, 17:39
disapointed that it uses the old gen 3 frame - wtf? i was exicted now i'm not. will the new 30 gen 4 frame work with a 36 slide?

fasteddie565
01-14-2013, 18:09
I had 2 g36's over the last few years an always ended up selling them. I kept my 30SF model and love it. But honestly I did put the 36 slide on it a few times just messing around and it felt great for IWB carry. Lighter and not as fat. I never tried to shoot it that way though. I'd be willing to buy a 30S just so I could carry .45 easier. I hated shooting the 36 because of the skinny grip. I shoot the 30SF better than all my Glocks.

I did this as well, but I shot it. It was different enough from the 30 SF that I will probably buy one.

Sturmgewehre
01-14-2013, 18:17
Glock 30S SHOT Show 2013 - YouTube

rkb58
01-14-2013, 18:33
Range Report: The 30S is a great shooter. I ran 200 flawless rounds yesterday without a single FTF, FTE, or BTF. Recoil is good. Double taps are on the money. For those of you that already own the 30sf you will enjoy the slide weight reduction and balance. For those of us with big hands, it's like a G19 that fits really well in the hand. When they get into your LGS, pick it up, look it over and enjoy.

GlockFanWA
01-14-2013, 18:47
Personally I don't see a reason to trade in my 36 for one. My 36 shoots great and is thinner overall for better concealment. YMMV.

glockmpw
01-14-2013, 22:00
I might be interested in the 30S if it had a Gen 4 frame.

I'm surprised Glock even is doing the 30S. Isn't the 38/39 their "preferred" slimmer .45?

Going for slimmer? Why wouldn't you utilize a GEN4 frame?
Hopeless, Charlie Brown, completely hopeless....

ChiTownPicaro
01-14-2013, 22:42
This looks promising.

High Altitude
01-14-2013, 23:17
Can't wait for the gen4 model to come out.

Tiro Fijo
01-15-2013, 00:15
For those of us with big hands, it's like a G19 that fits really well in the hand...


The G30S uses the Gen 3 SF (still fat) frame which is far thicker/fatter than a G19, especially the new Gen 4. Why Glock did not make this "bastardized" handgun on a Gen 4 frame perplexes me, especially since they just introduced the Gen 4 G30. Maybe they are planning on a Gen 4 G30S down the road.

I am happy you're glad with this new handgun, however I don't understand the logic here as I never knew anyone who complained about the G30 slide width, but countless lamented the grip size. Oh well, obviously their marketing Dept. saw a niche for it.

rkb58
01-15-2013, 04:23
I started this topic to let everyone know about a new product. Never realized the responses it would create. Glock released a new tool, just like Craftsman comes up with pliers, sockets and wrench's.

I pulled my first trigger and got my first tool set nearly 50 years ago. Still have both in the safe and tool box. I never asked anyone to change models, brands or the way you use whats in your tool box.

I will not post any more information regarding new products.
Please support those who fight for our Second Ammendment Rights and Freedoms. Take time to contact your Legislators and enjoy the sport we all share.

BuckyP
01-15-2013, 04:33
I am happy you're glad with this new handgun, however I don't understand the logic here as I never knew anyone who complained about the G30 slide width, but countless lamented the grip size. Oh well, obviously their marketing Dept. saw a niche for it.


MANY have commented here about it, which is what brought about the G30/36 idea in the first place.

tacbandit
01-15-2013, 10:41
Can't wait for the gen4 model to come out.

(re)release announced. Actually the Gen4 20, 29, 30 and 33
were already out for a while...at least at a few select spots. I know of major blue label dealers that have had them for a long time. The Gen4 G30 went very fast at the one I'm familiar with.
They're in the new Glock Buyers Guide. :whistling:

tacbandit
01-15-2013, 10:43
MANY have commented here about it, which is what brought about the G30/36 idea in the first place.

And a major LE dept requested it...(see video earlier in this thread)

mo.glocker
01-15-2013, 12:38
Going for slimmer? Why wouldn't you utilize a GEN4 frame?
Hopeless, Charlie Brown, completely hopeless....
the gen4 w/no backstrap and the gen 3 sf are exactly the same bozo.:upeyes:

Butch
01-15-2013, 12:54
the gen4 w/no backstrap and the gen 3 sf are exactly the same bozo.:upeyes:
No.....the frames aren't exactly the same, they're the same size.....and why are you calling them 'bozo's? :)

"Cold Dead Hands" !
01-15-2013, 13:14
G30s, nice.
Only .45 I'd carry.
But, I will wait for the Gen 4, SF.


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Noponer
01-15-2013, 13:18
I might be interested in the 30S if it had a Gen 4 frame.

I'm surprised Glock even is doing the 30S. Isn't the 38/39 their "preferred" slimmer .45?

Yes, but the G30S is the opposite....a fat frame with a slim slide while the 38/39's have slim frames & fat slides.

roger123
01-15-2013, 13:44
I started this topic to let everyone know about a new product. Never realized the responses it would create. Glock released a new tool, just like Craftsman comes up with pliers, sockets and wrench's.

I pulled my first trigger and got my first tool set nearly 50 years ago. Still have both in the safe and tool box. I never asked anyone to change models, brands or the way you use whats in your tool box.

I will not post any more information regarding new products.
Please support those who fight for our Second Ammendment Rights and Freedoms. Take time to contact your Legislators and enjoy the sport we all share.

Thank you for your info. I own and like my 30SF but I'm always looking for the next handgun. Not to mention that I come here hoping people talk about what they have that I don't.

I have contacted my reps several times.

Thanks again for the info, I'll be waiting for my LGS to get one of these in.

tacbandit
01-15-2013, 14:10
My LGS got 20 units in this morning and the first G-30S out the door followed me home this afternoon !!!
Test fire date 1-7-13.
Pics and range report to follow.

Awesome, man...That's great that your store got some, but Glock is telling me that outside of LE agencies, they're not shipping yet. Can you tell me the name of your LGS so I can try to get one from them? And are they a Blue Label dealer? I know that stuff happens, 'cause a large dealer in Atlanta had the new Gen 4's that are just now being announced...and they had them months ago...How much are they going for? Thanks.

Huskytaio
01-15-2013, 14:58
I agree with a lot of posters: we need a slim frame 9mm Glock. In case it hasn't been posted, here is the press release:

GLOCK Unveils the New 30S Pistol Model

SHOT Show Sets the Stage for Unveiling of Latest Offering from GLOCK

SMYRNA, Ga. (January 14, 2013) – Today GLOCK, Inc. announced a new addition to its pistol lineup – the GLOCK 30S. The conceal-and-carry hybrid pistol features impressive stopping power consisting of a factory-made 36 slide on top of a 30SF frame. Its compact design and simple operation allow smooth drawing in a .45 caliber pistol. The 30S packs 10 rounds of .45 ACP in a package that fits the hands of most any user. The G30S is easy to use, easy to conceal and tough to contend with.

“The G30S platform has been more than a year in the making,” explained Josh Dorsey, GLOCK Vice President. “Our original request from the field – particularly from law enforcement – was to have a more concealable .45 that still carries 10 rounds, so we utilized the G30 SF frame after it was thoroughly tested, presented and accepted as the desired frame for the G30S.”

Huskytaio
01-15-2013, 15:08
Someone posted that the Gen4 without the backstrap was the same frame size as the SF. But what really got me turned on to the Glocks was the new texture of the Gen4, which was perfect for my small hands: not too little and not too much. Saturday, I handled a Gen4 21 and a Gen3 G21SF, and too me, the G21SF felt slippery compared to the Gen4 grip.

Too each his own on the grip. No one has the same hands or grip, so it is just personal preferrence.

Scrappy
01-15-2013, 15:09
“Our original request from the field – particularly from law enforcement – was to have a more concealable .45 that still carries 10 rounds, so we utilized the G30 SF frame after it was thoroughly tested, presented and accepted as the desired frame for the G30S.”

Law enforcement does not really need to worry about concealment as do the rest of us,lol.

CSP
01-15-2013, 19:03
Anyone know if there what difference, if any, there is between a 30S slide and the one for a 36? Same recoil spring?

thesilverbullet
01-15-2013, 19:04
is there an adv with keeping the 30 slide around over the 36 slide?

jdeere_man
01-15-2013, 19:32
I started this topic to let everyone know about a new product. Never realized the responses it would create. Glock released a new tool, just like Craftsman comes up with pliers, sockets and wrench's.

I pulled my first trigger and got my first tool set nearly 50 years ago. Still have both in the safe and tool box. I never asked anyone to change models, brands or the way you use whats in your tool box.

I will not post any more information regarding new products.
Please support those who fight for our Second Ammendment Rights and Freedoms. Take time to contact your Legislators and enjoy the sport we all share.

dude, by your post count and this response clearly you're fairly new here.

This is the kind of responses you'll get all the time on a world wide site with people full of their own opinions. It's not personal and nobody is right or wrong. It's just people talking what they think. There is nothing wrong with a good discussion.

Everyone will have varying opinions on each matter, don't take them to heart. Welcome to the site.

LibertyPatriot
01-15-2013, 21:43
Law enforcement does not really need to worry about concealment as do the rest of us,lol.

I thought I'd read it was a special segment of the LAPD that requested the 30s from Glock. Like a plain clothes drug task force that does conceal carry. Hence the new video from Glock on YouTube. GLOCK 30S - Elite Tactical - YouTube


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D1N0
01-16-2013, 00:37
Supposed to be out this summer but I'm wondering what the msrp will be.

tacbandit
01-16-2013, 15:25
Range Report: The 30S is a great shooter. I ran 200 flawless rounds yesterday without a single FTF, FTE, or BTF. Recoil is good. Double taps are on the money. For those of you that already own the 30sf you will enjoy the slide weight reduction and balance. For those of us with big hands, it's like a G19 that fits really well in the hand. When they get into your LGS, pick it up, look it over and enjoy.

Didn't see a response to my earlier post...could you PM me the name and location of your dealer...? I want to get more info, and see if I can get them to sell me one. Thanks

tacbandit
01-16-2013, 15:29
I thought I'd read it was a special segment of the LAPD that requested the 30s from Glock. Like a plain clothes drug task force that does conceal carry. Hence the new video from Glock on YouTube. GLOCK 30S - Elite Tactical - YouTube (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=keqwALyFFME)


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It was...

njl
01-16-2013, 22:24
http://us.glock.com/products/model/g30s

lists the 30S (wow...I would have expected it to be years before Glock would update the web site), but the specs have to be wrong. The description says its thinner (in the slide) and lighter than a G30SF, yet the specs say it's 0.01" wider than a 30SF (or same width if you like metric) and the exact same weight as a G30SF.

SARDG
01-16-2013, 22:40
http://us.glock.com/products/model/g30s

lists the 30S (wow...I would have expected it to be years before Glock would update the web site), but the specs have to be wrong. The description says its thinner (in the slide) and lighter than a G30SF, yet the specs say it's 0.01" wider than a 30SF (or same width if you like metric) and the exact same weight as a G30SF.
I've given up on Glock specsmanship. Last time I checked, the Armorers Manual specs didn't agree with several model's specs on their website. They must be using those $12 Harbor Freight calipers and $19 uncalibrated digital scale we read about on the reloading forum.

njl
01-16-2013, 22:51
My HF digital and dial calipers work just fine. My >$100 Lyman digital scale is a wandering PoS.


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SARDG
01-16-2013, 23:06
...My >$100 Lyman digital scale is a wandering PoS.
Donate it to Glock - I hear their $20 scale is too accurate.

tacbandit
01-18-2013, 09:32
Didn't see a response to my earlier post...could you PM me the name and location of your dealer...? I want to get more info, and see if I can get them to sell me one. Thanks

That's kinda what I thought... :whistling:

madAB
01-18-2013, 19:27
I would be really, and I still am a little, interested in this as I used to have a G30, but sold it do to how bulky it was compared to my G19 for carrying. I Just wish they offered it in a non-SF frame.

Georg of Ohio
01-19-2013, 09:44
The G30S uses the Gen 3 SF (still fat) frame which is far thicker/fatter than a G19, especially the new Gen 4. Why Glock did not make this "bastardized" handgun on a Gen 4 frame perplexes me, especially since they just introduced the Gen 4 G30. Maybe they are planning on a Gen 4 G30S down the road.

I am happy you're glad with this new handgun, however I don't understand the logic here as I never knew anyone who complained about the G30 slide width, but countless lamented the grip size. Oh well, obviously their marketing Dept. saw a niche for it.

I agreed-the 36 is thinner overall which is better for concealment. And it is my EDC, I see no reason for a thicker frame in a CCW. 6+1 works for me (I carry back up mags. if needed).

MELE20C
01-20-2013, 08:19
Law enforcement does not really need to worry about concealment as do the rest of us,lol.

Seriously, Law Enforcement needs to worry alot more about concealment actually. If a bad guy sees an undercover`s gun and his cover gets blown, it may cost them their life.

happyguy
01-20-2013, 08:30
I started this topic to let everyone know about a new product. Never realized the responses it would create. Glock released a new tool, just like Craftsman comes up with pliers, sockets and wrench's.

I pulled my first trigger and got my first tool set nearly 50 years ago. Still have both in the safe and tool box. I never asked anyone to change models, brands or the way you use whats in your tool box.

I will not post any more information regarding new products.
Please support those who fight for our Second Ammendment Rights and Freedoms. Take time to contact your Legislators and enjoy the sport we all share.

They are just whining because they didn't get their single stack 9mm or Glock carbine.

I appreciate your post and think it's a good thing that Glock is still releasing (on occasion) new products.

Does anyone know if this new Glock will fit G19/23 holsters?

I don't need another Glock but it isn't always about needs.

Edit: I hope this model feeds wide mouth hollow points better than the original G36's did.

Regards,
Comrade Happyguy :)

GRT45
01-20-2013, 09:01
Does anyone know if this new Glock will fit G19/23 holsters?

Below is what Mas Ayoob observed on the question of G19/23 holsters for the G30S (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1465498):

"It's yes, no, and maybe, depending on the holster. While the slide is thinner like a G19, it still has the wide G30 frame. I found the 30S would not go into one Kydex rig for the 19 at all...it could be forced into a Sport/Combat beltslide holster from Glock, but was tighter than I liked...and was a snug fit in one brand of IWB for the standard size Glocks. I found myself carrying it in a regular G30 size holster, which worked fine."

happyguy
01-20-2013, 09:51
Below is what Mas Ayoob observed on the question of G19/23 holsters for the G30S (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1465498):

"It's yes, no, and maybe, depending on the holster. While the slide is thinner like a G19, it still has the wide G30 frame. I found the 30S would not go into one Kydex rig for the 19 at all...it could be forced into a Sport/Combat beltslide holster from Glock, but was tighter than I liked...and was a snug fit in one brand of IWB for the standard size Glocks. I found myself carrying it in a regular G30 size holster, which worked fine."

Thank you very much! :wavey:

Regards,
Comrade Happyguy :)

Georg of Ohio
01-20-2013, 10:42
Seriously, Law Enforcement needs to worry alot more about concealment actually. If a bad guy sees an undercover`s gun and his cover gets blown, it may cost them their life.

I think that concealment is as important for the CCW permit holders as it is for a police officer. Most police officers who carry an off duty or a second weapon are not undercover (very few are truly undercover). Some departments issues non-police type weapons to their undercover officers, so if the BG find the non-issues weapon it is no big deal (remember most BG also carry pistols).