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GruGrux515
01-12-2013, 18:39
So I got a Gen 4 19 a few weeks ago. It is my first Glock and only pistol (only gun I had prior was a Sig Pro 2009). I'm Hooke on Glock and after lingering on the forums for a few weeks I have become quite interested in the .45.

I have only ever shot a 9, don't have the option to rent or use a friends (I don't have any gun owner friends), and what I have read most about the .40 is its snappy but side I have read about the .45 having light recoil I have been interested. So I am having trouble deciding on which model.

I got the 19 with intentions on it being my carry weapon. By te sounds of it the 21 will be too bulky for concealed carry the 30 coup be an option but how is the recoil on a .45 subcompact? Te 36 just doesn't seem worth the money but then there is the 30s which everyone seems to e excited about.


So I need your thoughts GT people

glockarmor
01-12-2013, 18:43
Glock 39 would be my suggestion. :)

GruGrux515
01-12-2013, 18:46
Glock 39 would be my suggestion. :)

But in today's works finding ammo is hard enough let alone .45 GAP

97harley
01-12-2013, 18:49
I just bought a 21 and it makes a fine nightstand gun, especially with the rail light I just installed but not so much for carry. Big difference, I carry a glock 19 at times, it feels like a pocket pistol compared to the 21:whistling:

itisbruno
01-12-2013, 19:21
My niece shoots my G30 better than either of my Sig 9's (2022 and 228). The 30 seems to just eat the recoil.

I highly recommend the 30.

The Springfield XDS is alot snappier, but apples to oranges ... fits nicely in my pocket tho.

If you wanna Glock, go with the 30 IMHO.

Scrappy
01-12-2013, 19:32
The G30 is really a ***** cat with recoil IMO. I love mine its my favorite Glock and most accurate~

GruGrux515
01-12-2013, 22:13
So the 30's recoil is manageable compared to the 19?

For te price of .45 ammo it def isn't a range session gun but I guess I should consider it using the 30 as my carry and the 19 as my range gun

PattonT
01-12-2013, 22:13
Honestly the 30 because it is so heavy may recoil about the same. I have owned 2 G30's and can't stand the fat hogs.

GruGrux515
01-12-2013, 22:24
Honestly the 30 because it is so heavy may recoil about the same. I have owned 2 G30's and can't stand the fat hogs.

Huh?? Are your pro or no for the 30

AustinTx
01-12-2013, 22:29
I would go 40 S&W over the 45 ACP and I've been a 50 year fan of the 1911 in 45 ACP.

8ptbuk
01-12-2013, 22:31
36 is a hit or miss thing .

Glk30
01-12-2013, 22:52
The 30 shoots like a dream. It will carry a lot like the 19 but it will pack more of a punch :)

itisbruno
01-12-2013, 23:05
So the 30's recoil is manageable compared to the 19?

For te price of .45 ammo it def isn't a range session gun but I guess I should consider it using the 30 as my carry and the 19 as my range gun

IMHO yes. I have big paws and love it. My niece, normal girl hands, she loves it.

The weight of the 30 helps it eat the recoil. It is truly my favorite glock. I have 3 and am looking for another for her to buy.

Find a buddy or a rental range that has one and give it a try.

crash_gsxr750
01-12-2013, 23:10
I have 19 and 30 they are roughly the same size length and height

The 30 is a thicker and heavier gun, but, I almost always end up carrying it over the 19 and I can't explain why other than when I grip my thirty it just feels great and points naturally for me

Don't get me wrong I still love my 19 and carry it often but the thirty is a peach to shoot

SCSU74
01-12-2013, 23:12
Why are you wanting a .45? The 19 is a better gun in almost all aspects, unless you like seeing bigger holes in paper with fmj. To answer your question the 30 is the same size as the 19, just a bit thicker. I own a 17, 19, 21, and 30. The 19 is my favorite to CCW


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GruGrux515
01-12-2013, 23:17
Those of you who are 30 fans do you use the grip extender for the pinky?

Do they make a 30sf and if so which generation is it available in?

As for the thicker slide on the 30 is it harder to conceal or just heavier to carry?

GruGrux515
01-12-2013, 23:33
Why are you wanting a .45? The 19 is a better gun in almost all aspects, unless you like seeing bigger holes in paper with fmj. To answer your question the 30 is the same size as the 19, just a bit thicker. I own a 17, 19, 21, and 30. The 19 is my favorite to CCW


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Not 100% sure to be honest. The 19 is my first and only Glock and I am hooked. I wanted another gun and in a few weeks I will be able to afford another one. I figured another caliber would be 1. Good to get familiar with a different caliber 2. Good to have another caliber in case the ammo supply weakens 3. The .45 causes more damage if needed

Kablam
01-12-2013, 23:46
Don't know about the 45 causing more damage. That's a whole different argument around here. And the G19 being "a better gun in all aspects" is just an opinion. If you want to try 45, then the G30 is one you should try. It's my favorite Glock, and not just because I'm a 45 guy. It just shoots good for me. Not hard to carry at all. I'm 6 feet and only about 160 lbs and just use a good OWB (Fist with a lot of forward cant) and a good belt. I can conceal it good enough for me with a t shirt. I can't carry it comfortably IWB though. I suppose because I'm skinny. Good luck with whatever you decide. You know what they say, ".45 because they don't make a .46." :supergrin:

Giggity-Giggity
01-13-2013, 00:30
Sign up as a member to your local rental range is recommended!

Love my G21SF:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/Gregdog/Pin%20Ups/DSCN3210.jpg

Opie 1 Kenopie
01-13-2013, 01:06
Not 100% sure to be honest. The 19 is my first and only Glock and I am hooked. I wanted another gun and in a few weeks I will be able to afford another one. I figured another caliber would be 1. Good to get familiar with a different caliber 2. Good to have another caliber in case the ammo supply weakens 3. The .45 causes more damage if needed
Listen, you've got your G19 so you now own probably the most common Glock out there. But you are correct in wanting to try a bigger, softer shooting caliber. As mentioned in your other thread, the 30's recoil is uncanny in how mild it is. You can't rent or borrow one so you'll have to take the word of a bunch of Internet strangers, but its true. Get one. You will absolutely LOVE it! You will then have the option of carrying your 19, but when you actually fear for your life, you can grab the 30 and put some serious diameter down range. :tongueout: I mean, just LOOK at those fat ol' pills in Giggity's picture up there! THAT'S gonna leave a mark.

PattonT
01-13-2013, 01:16
Huh?? Are your pro or no for the 30

I like the idea of the 30 and gave it a second try. They shoot well but don't carry worth a crap, too heavy and too thick. Since I carry a gun a lot more than I shoot it I traded them away. I'm a fan of 9mm and 40 Glocks.

Kablam
01-13-2013, 01:36
Yeah. The slide is pretty fat. Like I said, I can't carry my 30 IWB, but then I'm not comfortable with any gun as fat as any Glock IWB. I'm just too skinny I guess. A good holster and belt and I'm fine OWB with my 30. Of course that limits what you can wear...not tucked shirts for sure. They sure shoot nice though.

fishnsurf
01-13-2013, 01:57
Was in same boat with new G19 before Christmas and got the bug for another with bigger caliber after shooting with a buddy. Shot my new G21SF yesterday and it's freaking awesome!!! Recoil no problem very similar to G19 with a bigger bang. Would be pretty hard to carry concealed though. Still love the G19 too.

Good Luck with your decision.

RPVG
01-13-2013, 02:05
Yeah. The slide is pretty fat. Like I said, I can't carry my 30 IWB, but then I'm not comfortable with any gun as fat as any Glock IWB. I'm just too skinny I guess. A good holster and belt and I'm fine OWB with my 30. Of course that limits what you can wear...not tucked shirts for sure. They sure shoot nice though.
I'm 5'9" and 145 lbs. I carry a G30 under a T-shirt. ( FWIW, I have a good quality holster and belt.)

JakeFromStateFarm
01-13-2013, 03:20
The .40 is NOT as snappy as people try to make it out to be. To me I can't notice a Difference between HOT 9mm rounds and .40 rounds. Some people say the .40 is an "in between round" or a "sacrifice round" but it is a great cartridge IMO. It's a great round to shoot and protect your self with. Just letting you know the .40 isn't a round u should not completely shun just because people say it's to snappy. But The .45 is a great round as well.

Some say you might as well just go to .45 cause easier recoil and a bigger bullet. If u plan to CCW the .45 will be a bit bulkier to carry compared to a .40. But defiantly concealable. Just kinda depends on what u are going to use the firearm for. Hope this helped.

roger123
01-13-2013, 05:40
I own a 19, 26 and 30SF, the 30 is a fine shooter. Recoil is not an issue for me.

I wouldn't say the recoil is "light" but it's really not much more than the 19.

I don't carry it (yet) so size isn't an issue. I just use the stock mags it came with and they work fine for me. I was thinking of getting some flush mount ones though for if/when I carry it.

I've not ownd or shot a 40 so I can't compare there, I got the 45 as I also have a 1911 and reload 45 so it was the obvious choice for me.

GruGrux515
01-13-2013, 08:10
So if the 30 tends to be too thick and heavy to carry then I see why the 30s is a dream gun for people.

This is sure one tough decision. Nowadays I guess I need to take ammo availability into consideration as well. What is more available .40 or .45. My cousin who is a cop said .40 is hard to come by bc pretty much every dept is switching to .40. His dept still caries the G17

jmsfmtex
01-13-2013, 08:56
I like the 19 and the 30. I find that although the 30 is a little thicker (1.27 vs 1.18) and the height is a little shorter (4.76 vs 5) that when carrying my arm does not hit the butt of the gun as it does with the 19. I am short and skinny so the height of gun plays an important part. I also have found that I really am not comfortable with IWB carry. So if it comes to only 10rds for carry I choose the 30 and, of course, that is if I can shoot good with both.

Rustin
01-13-2013, 09:12
I tend to think of Glocks as 9mm guns. I wouldn't mind getting a 30s or a G21 someday, but for me, .45's are reserved for 1911's until I can afford more Glocks.

If you haven't shot a 1911, you're missing out. It shoots like no other pistol. The 1911 is also an aesthetically pleasing design and the history behind it is absolutely awe inspiring.

100 years and it's only gaining popularity. Get you one.

klmmicro
01-13-2013, 09:27
Have to agree that if you are going to carry a .45, the 1911 is hard to beat. You sacrifice some capacity and get a nice thin slide and grip. Nothing wrong with Glocks chambered for .45, they function well and are very durable. The thick slide is the part that gets me and so I avoid them. I have a G19 and G23 and prefer their slide dimensions to any of the ACP based Glock pistols available.

Just my .02

MNBud
01-13-2013, 09:36
My vote goes to the Glock 36, when was the last gunfight you were involved in that you fired more than seven rounds? It is thinner and lighter than the 30 (which I also own).Pack an additional magazine if you feel you need more ammo.

GWG19
01-13-2013, 10:06
I have a 21.
I bought it because:
It uses the same magazines as my KRISS Super V.
It has the best trigger of the plastic pistols.

I am a 1911 fan.
I like the feel of the HK and FN pistols. I do not like the trigger pull.

How does mine shoot? Typical of Glocks in my experience. I have had zero brass to the face and other problems some have had.

vinstang67
01-13-2013, 10:21
My G30 has been my EDC.
I do not mind its size/weight.
Though, I want a thinner subcompact for summer.

Since you have G19, I'd say go for it.



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SCSU74
01-13-2013, 10:24
Not 100% sure to be honest. The 19 is my first and only Glock and I am hooked. I wanted another gun and in a few weeks I will be able to afford another one. I figured another caliber would be 1. Good to get familiar with a different caliber 2. Good to have another caliber in case the ammo supply weakens 3. The .45 causes more damage if needed

9mm ammo will always be more available and cheaper than .45.

As far as causing more damage, that is true if using fmj, but if you use a quality bonded hollowpoints like gold dots or HST they are basically the same. The .45 gives you ~2mm more expansion. For that nominal benefit the 9mm is a better choice, for me anyway. 18 rds in a 19 vs 10 in the 30. Follow up shots are faster with 9mm as well, especially the gen 4.

Not trying to bash the .45, I love mine. I used to be in the crowd of "it's a .45, it's huge, one round will kill anything on earth." Then I did some research and shot both my 21 and 17 on timers and saw how much better I was with the 9mm.


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SCSU74
01-13-2013, 10:26
Double tap

GruGrux515
01-13-2013, 10:54
I was also thinking that size I already have a 9 why not just stick with it so I only have to buy one caliber. So I was thinking about the 34 mainly for increased accuracy at the range and my night stand gun and just carry my 19.

Choices are overwhelming espially when it comes to shelling out 500+

marcoh
01-13-2013, 11:16
Glock 39 would be my suggestion. :)
All kidding aside, you might want to consider a G38 or G39 for carry. The upside of .45GAP is you get .45 ballistics in a 9mm sized frame. Many shooters, me included, find the G30 and G21 just a little too fat in the grips for comfort, even in the short frame versions. The G38, OTOH, has the same frame as your G19 with a slightly fatter slide. Thus, if you really like the fit and feel of your G19, the G38 will feel pretty much the same.

I have a G37 (same frame as the G17 and G22) and a G39 (same frame as the G26 and G27), and they fit me very comfortably, but YMMV.

As for ammo availability, I always buy in bulk online, 500-1000 rounds at a time, and I've had no trouble finding .45GAP. In fact, with all the panic buying going on these days, I've had a somewhat easier time finding .45GAP than 9mm, but again, YMMV.

I say, if you can't rent them, at least handle the GAP models at your LGS before you decide on a G21 or G30.

GruGrux515
01-13-2013, 11:52
How does the GAP differ from the acp? Why can't the GAP models shoot ACP rounds. Thanks

HKLovingIT
01-13-2013, 12:05
I have recently purchased a G21 Gen4. It shoots sweet. It is pretty large. With the right holster you could carry it and certainly under winter coat weather.

However if I was looking for an EDC .45 that was doable under the widest range of clothing situations I would look at the G30, M&P .45 Compact, USP .45 Compact, XDM 3.8 .45, Kahr P45, G36, G38, G39 .

With .45 you're always going to be faced with size / weight versus capacity trade offs when considering what you personally can reasonably carry a large percentage of the time. :dunno:

marcoh
01-13-2013, 12:10
The .45GAP case is slightly shorter than ACP to make it fit into a 9mm sized frame. Visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_GAP for a pretty decent article on GAP including the differences vs ACP.

jeremy1
01-13-2013, 12:39
If you want a range gun I would go for a G21. I had one and they are a fun range gun. If you want to carry your best option is a 30. You may have a hard time finding the 30S or gen 4. I don't think they are even out yet.

GruGrux515
01-13-2013, 14:11
Anyone know why glock never made a compact version of the .45?

Kablam
01-13-2013, 14:56
I think the 30 is what they consider their compact. I've heard people refer to them as the sub-compact 45 ACP. They make the 36, but that's a different deal. It's single stack so it really isn't in the same family like the 17,19, and 26 are for 9mm. Maybe capacity just went too low with a baby 45 and they had the 36??

GruGrux515
01-13-2013, 15:48
The 30 is listed under their sub compact section. The 30 would be a nice option I just don't like how the grip isn't long enough for the pinky. I know they sell the mag extenders.

Then again if I use te 21 as a range gun all I'm really doing is putting bigger holes in paper.

DFin
01-13-2013, 18:55
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Opie 1 Kenopie
01-13-2013, 20:00
So if the 30 tends to be too thick and heavy to carry then I see why the 30s is a dream gun for people.

This is sure one tough decision. Nowadays I guess I need to take ammo availability into consideration as well. What is more available .40 or .45. My cousin who is a cop said .40 is hard to come by bc pretty much every dept is switching to .40. His dept still caries the G17

Your cousin is a little off. .40 ammo is always available, even during times like this when everything is sold out. Same thing happened in '08. It might be used by cops everywhere, but cops don't shoot a lot of it. We keep between 5000 and 10000 rounds on hand at any given time for range days, but it doesn't get used up very fast. .40 is one of the most popular calibers out there now, and BECAUSE cops use it its readily available. I've yet to see it sold out at ANY store when 9 and 45 are wiped out. That being said, if you own a 19, I'd quit worrying about your choice so much and get a G30SF. You won't be disappointed. Guaranteed. If you get a .40 you're moving into a different realm of recoil that you might not like. Can't go wrong with a 30. Don't be tempted to get a GAP, it does exactly the same thing as a .45 ACP but you can never find the ammo locally. NOT a good situation when "stuff" breaks down.

Glockwork Orange
01-13-2013, 20:10
But in today's works finding ammo is hard enough let alone .45 GAP


Ed's in Stockbridge seems to have tons of .45 GAP although no agency in the area carries it...:dunno:...

RPVG
01-13-2013, 20:11
"... So if the 30 tends to be too thick and heavy to carry..."
Huh? Dunno what that's about. I'm 65, 5'9", 145 lbs., and I carry a G30 every day. It conceals under a T-shirt.

Arc Angel
01-13-2013, 20:25
I've owned two third generation G-21's for the past 10 years. For 8 of those years I carried one of them all day long usually, but not always, ITB. I'm a big guy; so this wasn't a problem. The only thing I had to get used to is the weight. (You will KNOW it's there!) If you can shoot 9mm - which is, in its own right, 'snappy' too - you can also shoot 45 ACP.

http://imageshack.us/a/img690/1452/bladetech1.jpg

(All day long, everyday, either OTB on my left-hand side, or ITB on my right.) ;)

ADK_40GLKr
01-13-2013, 20:59
Glock 39 would be my suggestion. :)

Same size frame as 26, 27, 33 but with slightly wider slide.
g39 is 6.54" long compared to
G30 - 6.97" long.

The GAPs are same dimensions as 9/.40/.357 except wider slide while ACP & 10mm are bulkier because they use longer cartridges.

I have a G38 (capacity 8+1) or if I use a G37 mag (10+1)

PattonT
01-13-2013, 20:59
Funny, .40 ammo is everywhere. The only 9mm ammo I have seen recently was priced higher than the most expensive .40 ammo. I can't stand a Glock's in 45acp except for the G36.

SCSU74
01-13-2013, 22:50
Anyone know why glock never made a compact version of the .45?

They made 2, 30 and 36

jgeng
01-14-2013, 09:27
I love shooting my Glock 30sf. I usually alternate at the range with the Glock 19 and the Glock 30sf. The recoil is not an issue for me with the Glock 30sf.

AustinTx
01-14-2013, 15:00
Ed's in Stockbridge seems to have tons of .45 GAP although no agency in the area carries it...:dunno:...

Just a wild guess, but I would bet that's why they have so much.

Scrappy
01-14-2013, 15:15
Well your in luck cause now there is the 30S,lol.
Only reason not to own a 30 is if the grip is to big for you.
Its about the best most accurate Glock made!

GruGrux515
01-14-2013, 15:40
Well from the way it seems the 30s uses the 30sf frame so grip should be smaller how does the 30sf grip compare to the 19 gen 4

Opie 1 Kenopie
01-14-2013, 19:09
Well from the way it seems the 30s uses the 30sf frame so grip should be smaller how does the 30sf grip compare to the 19 gen 4

It's different. :dunno:
Dude, you're going to have to hold them both. The 30S grip is similar to your 19, but not as thin in width. They just feel different but the .45s have never felt uncomfortable to me. Slippery, yes, but I digress.

1911ES
01-14-2013, 19:18
I currently have a Gen4 G19.

I also have three 1911's and an H&K 45c. So, I have the .45 thing about covered.

But, if I were to pick up another Glock, it would definitely be the G23 in .40 ... :thumbsup:

fasteddie565
01-14-2013, 20:01
But in today's works finding ammo is hard enough let alone .45 GAP

Thats about the only Glock I have no issues finding. You may not be able tobuy a case at the LGS but its out there.

judgecrater
01-15-2013, 01:07
If you haven't shot a 1911, you're missing out. It shoots like no other pistol. The 1911 is also an aesthetically pleasing design and the history behind it is absolutely awe inspiring.

100 years and it's only gaining popularity. Get you one.
I do love my two Colt 1911s but if trouble is close, I grab my G21sf.

Jaeger62
01-15-2013, 09:50
Your cousin is a little off. .40 ammo is always available, even during times like this when everything is sold out. Same thing happened in '08. It might be used by cops everywhere, but cops don't shoot a lot of it. We keep between 5000 and 10000 rounds on hand at any given time for range days, but it doesn't get used up very fast. .40 is one of the most popular calibers out there now, and BECAUSE cops use it its readily available. I've yet to see it sold out at ANY store when 9 and 45 are wiped out. That being said, if you own a 19, I'd quit worrying about your choice so much and get a G30SF. You won't be disappointed. Guaranteed. If you get a .40 you're moving into a different realm of recoil that you might not like. Can't go wrong with a 30. Don't be tempted to get a GAP, it does exactly the same thing as a .45 ACP but you can never find the ammo locally. NOT a good situation when "stuff" breaks down.


Here in north Texas, 9mm and .40S&W are virtually impossible to find right now. Strangely enough, at the local Academy it seems like .45 is always available in many different brands/grains/etc while the 9s and 40s are completely sold out.