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Restless28
01-13-2013, 04:59
Which of these "battle" rifles do you like best?

M1A or PTR91 or FAL.

What do you like or dislike about these?

rgregoryb
01-13-2013, 06:02
I have 2 FALs, the simplicity of their design and ability to be serviced by the owner is the key factor in my choosing it over the others plus the adjustable gas regulator. The field reliability is why it is known as "the right arm of the free world"

kenpoprofessor
01-13-2013, 06:15
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/kenpoprofessor/Guns/SANY0063.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/kenpoprofessor/Guns/SANY0061.jpg

This

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

huntall50
01-13-2013, 07:20
I researched them all, and admired the all for different reasons. But I chose the FAL and never looked back. Why? Magazine price and availability, parts availability and ease or repairs and ergonomics.

Glockdude1
01-13-2013, 07:32
I want at least one of each.

:cool:

TurboRocket
01-13-2013, 07:41
Years ago, I wanted at least one of each, and including one in the AR-10 flavor. Then I realized the beauty of standardizing. After owning two pre-ban FALs and the M1A (and shooting friends ARs and HK91s), I decided on the M1A for it's accuracy, beauty and nostagia.

JBnTX
01-13-2013, 07:43
I have (in the past) owned all 3, except mine was an original HK91, an original Belgium made FAL, and a Springfield M1A.

The FAL wins hands down. No contest.
The FAL is the Cadillac of all assault/battle rifles.

MrMurphy
01-13-2013, 07:58
FAL equipped 90 countries. Still does in a few.

H&K equipped about 60 countries. Still does here and there.

The M14 equipped....two? (Taiwan adopted it I believe) for less than 10 years.

M14 has excellent sights and trigger going for it. That's about it.

H&K is reliable. Ergonomics designed by a Mauser engineer on an LSD trip with Parkinson's using a mallet and a broomstick. Heavy.

FAL has excellent user friendly ergonomics. Not quite as good sights/trigger as the M14, but serviceable for it's intended role. Easy to fieldstrip and maintain in any enviroment.

All of them are big and heavy. I'd choose the FAL, then M14, then G-3 for most roles.

rednoved
01-13-2013, 08:04
I like the M1A.

Zombie Steve
01-13-2013, 08:09
M14 is a wonderful thing...

Line Rider
01-13-2013, 08:26
Well, this discussion is back to where we started after the AWB of 1994, as in

What do you want to pay for the rifle?

What are you willing to pay for magazines?

I looked on gunbroker.com last night for both the HK 91 and DS Arms SA 58 and StG 58.

One HK 91 was up to $12,000 :wow:

There were no DS Arms SA 58 or StG58

Mags are $30 + each on either

It's not which gun is better, but what you can find and how much you're willing to spend.

I have a DS Arms StG 58. I bought where mags where $5.00 each new. The last PTR-91 that I saw was $999.00.

byf43
01-13-2013, 08:31
M14 is a wonderful thing...


Well said, Steve!

:cheers:


Make mine an M1A!

TurboRocket
01-13-2013, 08:32
FAL equipped 90 countries. Still does in a few.

H&K equipped about 60 countries. Still does here and there.

The M14 equipped....two? (Taiwan adopted it I believe) for less than 10 years.

M14 has excellent sights and trigger going for it. That's about it.

H&K is reliable. Ergonomics designed by a Mauser engineer on an LSD trip with Parkinson's using a mallet and a broomstick. Heavy.

FAL has excellent user friendly ergonomics. Not quite as good sights/trigger as the M14, but serviceable for it's intended role. Easy to fieldstrip and maintain in any enviroment.

All of them are big and heavy. I'd choose the FAL, then M14, then G-3 for most roles.

Only one country decisively took the M14 predecessor to it's enemy to change world history.

Restless28
01-13-2013, 08:59
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/kenpoprofessor/Guns/SANY0063.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/kenpoprofessor/Guns/SANY0061.jpg

This

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

I like your rifle. Tell me about it.:wavey:

Andrewsky
01-13-2013, 09:52
FAL equipped 90 countries. Still does in a few.

H&K equipped about 60 countries. Still does here and there.

The M14 equipped....two? (Taiwan adopted it I believe) for less than 10 years.

M14 has excellent sights and trigger going for it. That's about it.

H&K is reliable. Ergonomics designed by a Mauser engineer on an LSD trip with Parkinson's using a mallet and a broomstick. Heavy.

FAL has excellent user friendly ergonomics. Not quite as good sights/trigger as the M14, but serviceable for it's intended role. Easy to fieldstrip and maintain in any enviroment.

All of them are big and heavy. I'd choose the FAL, then M14, then G-3 for most roles.

The M14 was never marketed to other countries like the FAL and G3 were.

Line Rider
01-13-2013, 09:59
It's funny that H&R built several FAL's that you called TA-58 for Army testing. The TA-58 was not adopted, not many were made.

What if H&R had malufactured this rifle for the civilian market?

USMCsilver
01-13-2013, 10:13
All of them are big and heavy. I'd choose the FAL, then M14, then G-3 for most roles.

Y'all can have heavy. I'll keep this:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ZQ9CXI-y3Ww/UPLqQrUJwII/AAAAAAAADBE/v31lGkZFxMk/s886/SCAR.jpg

rgregoryb
01-13-2013, 12:30
Y'all can have heavy. I'll keep this:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ZQ9CXI-y3Ww/UPLqQrUJwII/AAAAAAAADBE/v31lGkZFxMk/s886/SCAR.jpg

nice, but the moving charging handle...not so much

countrygun
01-13-2013, 12:41
The M14 was never marketed to other countries like the FAL and G3 were.

An important point for folks to consider. It was an "in house" project based on an earlier design "in house". the only Countries tht adopted its predecessor (the M-1) were countries we gave them to or Italy because Beretta was able to make them. It was not designed with the purpose of creating a market in the world. FN spent huge amounts of money selling their gun to anyone who would buy it. HK followed suit. Comparing commercial sales is very misleading since the M-14 was never marketed. The forging of the receiver made it less than viable for other Countries to copy. Take look at the AK. Which model is the one most copied, the forged/ milled or the stamped?

garya1961
01-13-2013, 12:53
I have 2 FALs, the simplicity of their design and ability to be serviced by the owner is the key factor in my choosing it over the others plus the adjustable gas regulator. The field reliability is why it is known as "the right arm of the free world"
This says it all for me.

kenpoprofessor
01-13-2013, 13:04
I like your rifle. Tell me about it.:wavey:

Nothing spectacular about it, just a run of the mill PTR, an older version with the paddle mag release and SEF pinned and clipped lower.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

NEOH212
01-13-2013, 13:07
I like all three. My favorite is the M1A but if I had to choose one of the three for battle, I'd take the FAL.

faawrenchbndr
01-13-2013, 13:31
M1A gets my vote.......

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/5f5796fb3aee6103437439970c51968e.jpg

Haldor
01-13-2013, 14:25
FAL (L1A1) is my preference. Best ergonomics, least expensive and most reliable. What is not to like.

Kozel
01-13-2013, 14:48
I have M1A Scout and DSA FAL carbine. M1A is more accurate but FAL is simpler.

FAL has one large drawback. It has huge surface –to –surface contact area between bolt carrier and receiver. It can be solved with Israeli “sand cut” bolt carrier or with Dremmel to do same cuts on regular bolt carrier.

PTR-91/G-3. That whole roller-delayed blowback system it too idiotic in my personal opinion. Germans love to over complicate things and they are really good at it.

Spiffums
01-13-2013, 15:46
FAL/L1A1 (what I gots) DSA railed cover and a big AIMPOINT!

20South
01-13-2013, 15:53
Y'all can have heavy. I'll keep this:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ZQ9CXI-y3Ww/UPLqQrUJwII/AAAAAAAADBE/v31lGkZFxMk/s886/SCAR.jpg

Plus 100

GWG19
01-13-2013, 17:24
I am with rgregoryb
You can keep the heavy piglets. I also have one of these.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l106/gofftkd/Snapbucket/D1B53819.jpg

BTW I do have a M1A (piglet) National Match.
I have had a STG58

Sheepdog689
01-13-2013, 17:39
My PTR91KC is my EDC for a patrol rifle in my cruiser.

Restless28
01-13-2013, 17:40
My PTR91KC is my EDC for a patrol rifle in my cruiser.

Interesting.

USMCsilver
01-13-2013, 18:53
nice, but the moving charging handle...not so much

That is my only turn-off about the rifle. I see it could be a major problem without proper training. I find myself shooting .22s wedged between my hand and a tree quite often; however, I don't really see myself doing this with a .308.

There's always the chance SHTF, of course. Adequate training could prevent nearly all problems associated with a reciprocating charging handle.

M1A gets my vote.......

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/5f5796fb3aee6103437439970c51968e.jpg

That is DROP-DEAD-SEXY right there! I pondered going that route. Part of me wishes I did... Maybe later. :whistling:

kenpoprofessor
01-13-2013, 18:59
I have M1A Scout and DSA FAL carbine. M1A is more accurate but FAL is simpler.

FAL has one large drawback. It has huge surface –to –surface contact area between bolt carrier and receiver. It can be solved with Israeli “sand cut” bolt carrier or with Dremmel to do same cuts on regular bolt carrier.

PTR-91/G-3. That whole roller-delayed blowback system it too idiotic in my personal opinion. Germans love to over complicate things and they are really good at it.

Good friend has a FAL, great gun, and it came with a $600 scope on it. Tons of fun, hits stuff way the hell out there.

But, it doesn't like steel cased ammo, and both mine and his PTRs gobble it up like candy and chuck casings 30' :shocked:

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

faawrenchbndr
01-13-2013, 18:59
Thanks,........shoots rather well. I do prefer a bolt action for accurate
shooting though.

USMCsilver
01-13-2013, 19:33
I forgot to mention that I do have a dog in this fight, as I own a FAL, too. It's only been fired a handfull of times over 9 years. It's an Imbel/Century gun, and it's heavy as hell! I feel for the soldiers/freedom fighters who had to carry that monster. :)

Screaming .357G
01-13-2013, 19:40
PTR-91/G3 for the win!

Kozel
01-13-2013, 19:47
Good friend has a FAL, great gun, and it came with a $600 scope on it. Tons of fun, hits stuff way the hell out there.

But, it doesn't like steel cased ammo, and both mine and his PTRs gobble it up like candy and chuck casings 30' :shocked:

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

My FAL after Dremmel modification eats absolutely anything like candy. You just have to reduce surface contact area between carrier and receiver and you get yourself AK-reliable gun.

Israeli “sand cut” carriers do not headspace well in many US available FALs but if you grab Dremmel and imitate same cuts on FAL bolt carrier it becomes totally reliable.

MrMurphy
01-13-2013, 21:05
I love the SCAR-H, but it was not in the initial question. :)

Regarding Beretta, they made M1's for their own use and internationally (Denmark and other countries used M1's for a while) and the BM59 and BM62 were developed independent of the US at the same time, for the same reason. The M14 and BM59 are NOT identical, though they're close (Having compared them side by side).

Having spoken at length to a couple Italian senior NCOs who'd been in service when it had, both the M-1 and the BM59 series were well loved by the Italian military at that time. Their newer rifle isn't too bad either.

itisbruno
01-13-2013, 23:48
Hreat thread, ya'all have some nice rifles.

GunHo198
01-13-2013, 23:57
Classic FN FAL G1
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/lvgood/FireArms/DSCN0014_007.jpg


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garya1961
01-14-2013, 12:29
My FAL after Dremmel modification eats absolutely anything like candy. You just have to reduce surface contact area between carrier and receiver and you get yourself AK-reliable gun.

Israeli “sand cut” carriers do not headspace well in many US available FALs but if you grab Dremmel and imitate same cuts on FAL bolt carrier it becomes totally reliable.

This is a bunch of BS. The type carrier has nothing to do with headspace of a FAL. The sand cuts has nothing to do with function either except in extreme sandy conditions. Most FALs don't have a sand cut carrier and work just fine. If you want a sand cut carrier just get L1A1 carrier. All my FALs are as reliable as any AK and I haven't dremmeled the carriers on any of them.
Although some shoot steel case ammo in their FALs without any problems it is not recomended by DSA and most "FALsmiths". There has been a number of case falures especially with Wolf ammo.

fnfalman
01-14-2013, 13:10
I remembered back in the days when NORINCO ammo were a dime a dozen, I used to shoot the bejesus out of my SAR-48 with those old steel case ammo and the rifle worked just fine. I think that I may still have a couple hundred rounds left of that NORINCO ammo stashed somewhere.

garya1961
01-14-2013, 13:42
I remembered back in the days when NORINCO ammo were a dime a dozen, I used to shoot the bejesus out of my SAR-48 with those old steel case ammo and the rifle worked just fine. I think that I may still have a couple hundred rounds left of that NORINCO ammo stashed somewhere.
I only shoot brass ammo in mine but if I could get Norinco or Brown Bear at a good price I would take it.

fnfalman
01-14-2013, 13:45
I only shoot brass ammo in mine but if I could get Norinco or Brown Bear at a good price I would take it.

If memory served, a box of 20-rds NORINCO was like $2.50.

fnfalman
01-14-2013, 13:48
Oh, look, a plastic fish that pretends to be a rifle!!!

Y'all can have heavy. I'll keep this:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ZQ9CXI-y3Ww/UPLqQrUJwII/AAAAAAAADBE/v31lGkZFxMk/s886/SCAR.jpg

garya1961
01-14-2013, 14:14
Oh, look, a plastic fish that pretends to be a rifle!!!
LOL, I never liked the looks of it either but it has a reputation of being an excellent rifle. I like the wood and steel look myself.

ZombieJoe
01-14-2013, 14:30
[QUOTE=NEOH212;19858196]I like all three. My favorite is the M1A but if I had to choose one of the three for battle, I'd take the FAL.[/QUOTE

+1

Steel Head
01-14-2013, 14:59
Classic FN FAL G1
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/lvgood/FireArms/DSCN0014_007.jpg


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That's REALLY NICE:wow:

Restless28
01-14-2013, 15:19
Nice rifles guys.

I want a FAL or PTR91.

vista461
01-14-2013, 15:26
I built a CETME from a parts kit and I love it so I'm going with the PTR.

Jason D
01-14-2013, 16:55
M14..

flyover
01-14-2013, 17:19
M1A Super Match for accuracy, L1A1 (Century Franknfal) just for the pure fun of it. No ammo or functioning problems with either one.

JDSTG58
01-14-2013, 17:41
Never mind

farmer-dave
01-14-2013, 18:57
I love equally the fal and m1a but the ptr-91 is just front end heavy and has horrible ergonomics. You've got to have freaky big hands or just a weird body type for the ergos to work, I never understood the love for the rifle and I own one.

USMCsilver
01-14-2013, 20:27
Oh, look, a plastic fish that pretends to be a rifle!!!

And YOU don't have any plastic on your rifles?

(Silly question, I know.) The SCAR has A LOT of plastic, I'll admit that. However, it's turning out to be one helluva rifle and a great shooter.

I've got my FAL to accompany it; I think the FAL feels like it weighs twice what the SCAR does. :)

suburbanhillbilly
01-14-2013, 20:36
I built a STG58 matching numbers kit on a DSA receiver. It has never had any problems. I don't shoot it much with prices like they are now...... In the good old days I could buy 1k of British surplus for $80. Now that was a fun weekend! Alas the times they are a changing......

You must be older than dirt! I'm old and I only remember $125 for 1200.:supergrin:

Kozel
01-14-2013, 23:30
This is a bunch of BS.

IF you ever use your FAL in anything other then range conditions you will quickly find out that BS is in your face.

Jisatsu
01-15-2013, 05:33
http://www.dsarms.com/Mini-SA58-FAL-OSW-Rifle-Select-Fire-NFA-Registered-308Cal---SA58OSWNFA/productinfo/SA58OSWNFA/

This is the correct answer.

fnfalman
01-15-2013, 09:47
And YOU don't have any plastic on your rifles?

Yeah, but they don't look like fishes.:tongueout:

(Silly question, I know.) The SCAR has A LOT of plastic, I'll admit that. However, it's turning out to be one helluva rifle and a great shooter.

Great shooter, yes. As for the rest, it'd have to go through some real world trials before it can claim to be great.

I've got my FAL to accompany it; I think the FAL feels like it weighs twice what the SCAR does. :)

21" barrel and wood and iron.

fnfalman
01-15-2013, 09:48
I love equally the fal and m1a but the ptr-91 is just front end heavy and has horrible ergonomics. You've got to have freaky big hands or just a weird body type for the ergos to work, I never understood the love for the rifle and I own one.

The HK style does have some really bad ergonomics, but it more than make up in the reliability and durability departments.

garya1961
01-15-2013, 09:56
IF you ever use your FAL in anything other then range conditions you will quickly find out that BS is in your face.
What combat conditions have you used your Dremmel cut carrier FAL in? How many FALs have you built? Do you even know how to headspace a FAL?
Anyone who thinks using a dremmel to cut on a carrier will make a FAL shoot steel case ammo don't know horse hockey about a FAL or any other firearm.
I still say BS .

farmer-dave
01-15-2013, 12:25
The HK style does have some really bad ergonomics, but it more than make up in the reliability and durability departments.

I can't argue with you but I'll add that all 3 rifles have a very good reputation of being reliable and durable. Pick whatever floats your boat, eventually you'll probably collect all 3 but a couple will collect more dust.

fnfalman
01-15-2013, 12:43
I can't argue with you but I'll add that all 3 rifles have a very good reputation of being reliable and durable. Pick whatever floats your boat, eventually you'll probably collect all 3 but a couple will collect more dust.

I already have two, I don't intend on adding an M14 type to my stash.

farmer-dave
01-15-2013, 13:14
I already have two, I don't intend on adding an M14 type to my stash.

You've got to get a m1a, just so you know what a sweet trigger can feel like, I bet a supermatch would change your mind. :supergrin:

fnfalman
01-15-2013, 13:57
You've got to get a m1a, just so you know what a sweet trigger can feel like, I bet a supermatch would change your mind. :supergrin:

I have two Sako rifles that show me what truly sweet triggers are like.:supergrin:

390ish
01-15-2013, 19:57
I like my Belgian FAL, but my buddy's Century L1A1 seems to be just as good a rifle. I never cared for the Springfield M1A rifles. I would really like to shoot a higher quality version like an LRB for comparison. I bet I would like it a lot more than a Springfield.

byf43
01-16-2013, 06:57
I like my Belgian FAL, but my buddy's Century L1A1 seems to be just as good a rifle. I never cared for the Springfield M1A rifles. I would really like to shoot a higher quality version like an LRB for comparison. I bet I would like it a lot more than a Springfield.


LRB just typically means that it has a forged receiver.
Someone could use an LRB receiver and put junk or non-matching parts in it, and it would be a 'clunker'.
(Although, I've seen some pretty darned nice LRB builds, too!)

I'll wager a few $$$ that IF you ever shot my Springfield Armory M1A, you wouldn't want to let go of it.

It's an 'early' Springer and has been 'massaged' just about as far as it can be.
It IS heavy, with a Kreiger Hvy Match barrel (and is a couple of ounces shy of 15 lbs, unloaded), but, shoots extremely well!!!!

Gunsmith - Mr. Charles Maloney :thumbsup:

Zombie Steve
01-16-2013, 07:56
Local store that just went out of business had several Fultons... full size and even a socom length gun with criterion barrels. Funny thing was, they were in old beat up surplus stocks. Man, they were beautiful.

uptomyneck
01-16-2013, 08:32
Which of these "battle" rifles do you like best?

M1A or PTR91 or FAL.

What do you like or dislike about these?

I own all three. I'll take my Armalite AR10 over them every day of the week.

kenpoprofessor
01-16-2013, 18:09
I built a CETME from a parts kit and I love it so I'm going with the PTR.

I got my CETME (still have it as well) and it pushed me to the PTR. Traded for it for some other guns I had extras of. :cool:

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

Kozel
01-21-2013, 22:48
What combat conditions have you used your Dremmel cut carrier FAL in? How many FALs have you built? Do you even know how to headspace a FAL?
Anyone who thinks using a dremmel to cut on a carrier will make a FAL shoot steel case ammo don't know horse hockey about a FAL or any other firearm.
I still say BS .

I see that you are trying to sound like some kind of FAL professor. Pretty pathetic attempt I must say.

Yes I know how to headspace FAL. Surface-to-surface contact between bolt carrier and receiver has nothing to do with headspacing mister FAL-know-it-all. Israelis reduced it to make it more reliable and I did same thing.

And what does steel cased ammo have to do with anything?


.

faawrenchbndr
01-22-2013, 06:42
........

I'll wager a few $$$ that IF you ever shot my Springfield Armory M1A, you wouldn't want to let go of it.

It's an 'early' Springer and has been 'massaged' just about as far as it can be.
It IS heavy, with a Kreiger Hvy Match barrel (and is a couple of ounces shy of 15 lbs, unloaded), but, shoots extremely well!!!!

Gunsmith - Mr. Charles Maloney :thumbsup:


That's a Holy Grail right there.........:faint:

KalashniKEV
01-22-2013, 11:01
I like all 3, but FAL is the best rifle.

For the M1A/M14, what it does well, a bolt gun does better.

For the PTR/G3, it's light but it has poor ergos and stiff recoil.

IF you ever use your FAL in anything other then range conditions you will quickly find out that BS is in your face.

The sand cuts and forward assist CH were just misguided efforts at addressing what was a training deficiency with conscript soldiers.

Y'all can have heavy. I'll keep this:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ZQ9CXI-y3Ww/UPLqQrUJwII/AAAAAAAADBE/v31lGkZFxMk/s886/SCAR.jpg

You can keep that.

I'll keep this:

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r220/Kalashnikev/Rifles/IMG_0206.jpg

Kozel
01-23-2013, 02:39
The sand cuts and forward assist CH were just misguided efforts at addressing what was a training deficiency with conscript soldiers.


Says you. Israelis quickly found out that sand getting into FAL has to have somewhere to go. Sandcuts came from combat experience.

Israeli sandcut bolt carrier does not headspace right to just about any FALs available in US other then handful of real Israelis.
Reducing surface-to-surface contact area between bolt carrier and receiver is just a common sense, which can be done easily and without making rifle unsafe.
Brits adopted sandcuts too. They just forgot to ask the great expert like you.




.

Kozel
01-23-2013, 03:55
I'll keep this:

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r220/Kalashnikev/Rifles/IMG_0206.jpg

Your FAL is some kind of Franken FAL with shortened barrel. Four bolt DSA cover. Israeli handguard and some kind of reproduction buttstock. Looks like very early DSA hackjob.

M1A is just a Garand with magazine anyway.

fnfalman
01-23-2013, 09:39
Your FAL is some kind of Franken FAL with shortened barrel. Four bolt DSA cover. Israeli handguard and some kind of reproduction buttstock. Looks like very early DSA hackjob.

Or maybe he built it on his own.

M1A is just a Garand with magazine anyway.

No, the Beretta BM59 is a Garand with magazine. The M1A is a clone of the M14. Shows how much you know guns.:upeyes:

byf43
01-23-2013, 09:47
No, the Beretta BM59 is a Garand with magazine. The M1A is a clone of the M14. Shows how much you know guns.:upeyes:

But. . . . the M14 was derived from the M1 Garand!

fnfalman
01-23-2013, 10:03
But. . . . the M14 was derived from the M1 Garand!

And the Mini-14 was derived from the M14.

None of them are Garands with mags.

KalashniKEV
01-23-2013, 12:14
Says you. Israelis quickly found out that sand getting into FAL has to have somewhere to go. Sandcuts came from combat experience.

As I said before, the Israelis tried sand cuts and forward assist carriers to remedy their reliability problems- but the rifle wasn't the problem.

The FAL is a finesse weapon made for professional soldiers. Conscript soldiers do a lot better with AKs, modified AKs like the Galil, and Uzis.

The FAL without sand cuts has worked just fine in a lot of very sandy places. Just google FAL + Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. You do have to know how to operate an FAL though.

You really don't have a clue what you're talking about.

byf43
01-23-2013, 12:28
** And the Mini-14 was derived from the M14.

*** None of them are Garands with mags.



**And fell waaaaaaay short. :puking:Mini-14


*** Never said it was. Never implied that it was. My exact words were "derived from..."

:cheers:

faawrenchbndr
01-23-2013, 13:27
And the Mini-14 was derived from the M14.........



Not even close,.........has more in common with the M1Carbine

garya1961
01-23-2013, 13:30
I see that you are trying to sound like some kind of FAL professor. Pretty pathetic attempt I must say.

Yes I know how to headspace FAL. Surface-to-surface contact between bolt carrier and receiver has nothing to do with headspacing mister FAL-know-it-all. Israelis reduced it to make it more reliable and I did same thing.

And what does steel cased ammo have to do with anything?


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I may not be an expert but I know enough to know you don't know squart.
http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff398/garya1961/SDC10017.jpg

ca survivor
01-23-2013, 14:04
FAL, because I have one, but would like a PTR91

Kozel
01-25-2013, 02:41
I may not be an expert but I know enough to know you don't know squart.


You seriously suggest that you know more about FALs then militaries of two countries that fielded them….? Both saying that they are the best in the world….?

I will catch my breath while I am….:rofl::rofl::rofl:





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fnfalman
01-25-2013, 04:03
You seriously suggest that you know more about FALs then militaries of two countries that fielded them….? Both saying that they are the best in the world….?

I will catch my breath while I am….:rofl::rofl::rofl:





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Consider that only TWO countries out of NINETY that had sand cuts on their bolt carriers...:rofl:

garya1961
01-25-2013, 09:34
You seriously suggest that you know more about FALs then militaries of two countries that fielded them….? Both saying that they are the best in the world….?

I will catch my breath while I am….:rofl::rofl::rofl:





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I have no idea what you are talking about. The only one I said I knew more than was you. I still say if you used a dremmel to cut on a carrier and you think that makes it more reliable then you don't know what you are talking about. Also as far as an Izzy bolt carrier being hard to headspace in a US receiver that's hogwash too.
The carrier has very little if no effect at all on headspace. It may make a .001 difference in the headspace if any at all. The type carrier you use certainly doesn't make a rifle hard to headspace and it doesn't affect the function of the rifle.
As far as sand cut carriers most my rifles are inch pattern guns with sand cut carriers. I used sand cut carriers because that's what goes with inch rifles but most of my rifles have metric receivers. I already had a bunch of metric mags so that's why I use metric receivers.
You can use sand cut carriers with US metric receivers and you can use non-sand cut carriers with inch receivers it doesn't have any effect on headspacing or reliability.
Also you need a sand cut receiver and sand cut bolt if you expect it to perfom better in sandy conditions. Another thing there are four countries that I know of that used the sand cuts. Not sure if the T48 used them or not but it was never put into service so it really doesn't matter.
Here's a picture of one that you can see a sandcut carrier in a US metric receiver. http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff398/garya1961/L1A17-3003.jpg