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Beanie-Bean
01-14-2013, 11:49
Been checking out the reports on the XD Forum. Pretty excited about this one:

XD-S 9x19
7+1/9+1 configuration

The guy tested it out in the same holster he uses for the .45ACP model. The pistols are the same size.

March release is what I've read so far, but they may screw that one up like they did for the release last year! This one took a week to come in to the LE shop:

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/Beanie-Bean/SA/IMG_8814.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/Beanie-Bean/SA/D9A0DFAB-AD73-4410-85D4-1968A8C5080E-3225-00000148768996B7.jpg

Sharky7
01-14-2013, 11:53
What is the unloaded weight?

mac66
01-14-2013, 14:11
wait, what? That photo is a 45 XDs.

TSAX
01-14-2013, 14:18
Yep, if its as good as the .45 version then Im in/on board







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Beanie-Bean
01-14-2013, 14:29
What is the unloaded weight?

Didn't see a spec sheet yet. Will pass it along when I do, though.

wait, what? That photo is a 45 XDs.

Yes, that's the one I bought long after SA announced it would be released in Spring 2012. I think I got it during the summer/early fall. It only took a week to come in to the shop after I placed the order. Some firearms I've purchased there took months. I just picked up one last week that I put on order in June 2011.

I just posted that there so that everyone would have something to look at.

Yep, if its as good as the .45 version then Im in/on board







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Yessir. I still haven't put any night sights on mine, yet. It's just fine the way it is. It's a lot of fun at the range, and hasn't jammed/misfed/malfunctioned at all. I carry mine a lot (been splitting time with this one and my subcompact Glocks...) and couldn't ask for more. Except for perhaps an XD-S in 9x19...

TSAX
01-14-2013, 14:49
Yessir. I still haven't put any night sights on mine, yet. It's just fine the way it is. It's a lot of fun at the range, and hasn't jammed/misfed/malfunctioned at all. I carry mine a lot (been splitting time with this one and my subcompact Glocks...) and couldn't ask for more. Except for perhaps an XD-S in 9x19...

Once I picked up the 45 version, felt the grip and pulled the trigger I felt this was a winner. So far it seems on the XD forum this gun has been holding up very well but a few lemons like with any new gun there will be a few. I was amazed for how small it was how great it also felt in the hands. All this excitement to shoot new guns its great and bad, great that we have all these options but bad because the anticipation sometimes blows :supergrin:






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EddieJames
01-14-2013, 15:34
I can tell you this, I love the 45; great gun

TSAX
01-14-2013, 16:10
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=V7oaKeALB8g






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TSAX
01-14-2013, 16:11
http://static.squarespace.com/static/50037c45c4aaab8fd03f8ee9/50f484e9e4b0d6e8321e3c2a/50f484fce4b04803aa56a97c/1358202111773/DSC_2464.jpg?format=1000w




http://static.squarespace.com/static/50037c45c4aaab8fd03f8ee9/50f484e9e4b0d6e8321e3c2a/50f48511e4b02681d35227e4/1358202379680/DSC_2478.jpg?format=1000w





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Bruce M
01-14-2013, 16:45
Thanks for the information. Interesting.

DeLo
01-14-2013, 17:12
Is there a way to pin the grip safety down?

carbuncle
01-14-2013, 17:14
Very nice, thanks for posting!

Beanie-Bean
01-14-2013, 18:02
TSAX,

Thanks for the assist, and happy hunting for yours!

ss243b
01-15-2013, 14:22
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/01/15/springfield-xds-9mm/


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Officer X
01-15-2013, 16:41
Is there a way to pin the grip safety down?

If you grip the gun correctly to fire, it's not a problem at all

Roering
01-15-2013, 16:52
Slide looks a little thick for a SS 9.

jdeere_man
01-15-2013, 20:33
Aside from the obvious cost of re-tooling a bunch of stuff, why didn't they slim it down for 9mm platform? They took the same gun they run 45acp in and stuck a 9mm barrel and mag in essentially. The only thing you gain is more capacity. It should have a slimmer platform.

ronin.45
01-15-2013, 21:18
If it's the same size as the .45, it's a joke.

They hit a homerun with the .45, but the small 9mm market is much more crowded.

Reswob
01-15-2013, 21:46
The guy tested it out in the same holster he uses for the .45ACP model. The pistols are the same size.
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Not even released yet and they've already failed. Nice one, Springfield!:rofl:

TSAX
01-16-2013, 01:53
TSAX,

Thanks for the assist, and happy hunting for yours!


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Bob Hafler
01-16-2013, 05:25
I'm certainly going to be looking at them. It sure beats anything new Glock has to offer. Then a gain it's been that way for a couple years now with Springfield. There always coming out with new pistols. For those who have never fired a XD or Glock fanboys the grip safety seems to be and issue:dunno:, but in the real world if you take hold of the pistol the way your supposed to,so you might actually hit something close to what your aiming at, you'd never know it's there.
I had a XD9sc which I traded for a Kahr PM9 because I wanted a single stack 9mm. I also own a 1911 and never found the grip safety to be a problem. I think there are going to be a few more Glock owners jumping over to XD's because of this pistol. We'll see how many complain about the dreaded Grip safety. I do not remember hearing any complaints on the grip safety from Glock owners who bought the XDS 45. I guess that's because it's a non issue for gun owners who dare to think outside the Glock box.:rofl:.

bac1023
01-16-2013, 05:30
It should be great.

I love the entire XD line.

Bob Hafler
01-16-2013, 06:17
It should be great.

I love the entire XD line.

I agree this pistol will be a big hit. Many gun owners have been waiting for this pistol to come out for a long time. It appears to me like with the demensions of 1" thick, 6.3 " long, and 4.4 " high, it's very close to being the same size as the S&W Shield. Which would make it a safe,comfortable,and reliable CC pistol. Springfield has a winner with the XDS 45 ACP, The XDS 9mm will more than likely top that in sales and customer satisfaction.

Clay C
01-16-2013, 09:32
I love my XDs .45 . In my opinion it is about the perfect size carry gun for a 9mm. It's almost identical in size to my dad's Shield and I like the XDs a lot more.

holesinpaper
01-16-2013, 09:55
7+1, hey they made a brand new NY gun.

mixflip
01-16-2013, 10:01
I shot the XDs9 on monday at media day. I loved it. But then again I am biased towards single stack 9mm subcompacts. I like pretty much all of them. But this one was indeed a great looking and feeling gun. I was accurate with it.

Bob Hafler
01-16-2013, 10:38
I love my XDs .45 . In my opinion it is about the perfect size carry gun for a 9mm. It's almost identical in size to my dad's Shield and I like the XDs a lot more.

Exactly. I don't know where these guys are making it out to be this large pistol for a single stack 9mm.:upeyes: The overall demensions put it in the same ballpark as the Shield, Walther PPS, and a little bigger then the KT PF9 and about the same thickness as a PM9 but about 3/4" longer in overall lenght. All these are very comfortable CC pistols. I do not see how the XDS9 would not be just as comfortable a carry as any of them.

I agree. Nice One Springfield, your R&D departments listen and understand what your customers want, and your not afraid to do what it takes to give it to them.:supergrin:

HiVel
01-16-2013, 15:15
Glock needs to get off their duffs and get some little 9mm, 40cal and 45 mini guns out here.

satisfaction is death to any company-get cranking Glock!!

flw
01-16-2013, 15:32
Glock must be working on going from the Baby glock a two finger gun down to a one finger gun :rofl:

Just to complete. :tongueout:

Only problem is I love my Baby.

Beanie-Bean
01-16-2013, 16:58
I shot the XDs9 on monday at media day. I loved it. But then again I am biased towards single stack 9mm subcompacts. I like pretty much all of them. But this one was indeed a great looking and feeling gun. I was accurate with it.

Thanks for the feedback--I'm looking forward to adding one to the stable!

brisk21
01-16-2013, 21:53
I would entertain the idea of this replacing my Walther PPS 9mm.

Nakanokalronin
01-17-2013, 03:49
I'll stick with my 45acp XDS, but now SA will be taking some of the Shield customers who only want a 9mm.

For those saying it's a failure because it's the same size as the 45 version, you do know the 45acp XDS is the same size as a 7rd. 9mm Shield right? Smaller is great until it's so light and small that people are putting grip/mag extensions and fat rubber sleeves to soak up recoil so they can keep the gun in their hands which also results in a bigger gun than intended. The 45acp version has very mild recoil and can be shot all day with zero grip enhancements so I have a feeling the 9mm version will be perfect for those who are recoil sensitive and/or want a few more rounds.

Some people are just never happy. Too big and hard to carry or too small and painful to shoot. Learn proper grip, do some hand exercises/manual labor if needed and pinkies hanging off the bottom are no longer a problem. My dad has arthritis in his hands and he liked how my XDS shot so I can only imagine the 9mm being his cup of tea.

ETA: Might as well post these overused pictures. Someone better tell S&W they need to make the fast selling Shield teeny weeny since it's as big as a 45acp. :whistling:
http://imageshack.us/a/img198/1622/dsc02218aw.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img17/3851/dsc02217ow.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img836/802/dsc02219ri.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img542/8748/dsc02220e.jpg

FiremanMike
01-17-2013, 05:12
If you grip the gun correctly to fire, it's not a problem at all

There are reports of gravel and debris getting lodged and failing the grip safety.

To the original question, I've always said I'd put a bike inner tube on the grip if I ever bought an XD to "pin down" the grip safety.

Wolfdad
01-17-2013, 05:37
It pains me to say this because I really like Glocks, but they are really lagging behind Springfield Armory and Smith & Wesson in product development. Come on Glock, get with it, then I will be happy to keep buying your guns!

HiVel
01-17-2013, 07:24
I would entertain the idea of this replacing my Walther PPS 9mm.

I have been looking for a single stack to replace my PPS (did not like) and this may be the one-looks good. Thought about the Bersa but ????

cowboy1964
01-17-2013, 11:52
I'm interested. The XD-S .45 I shot was pretty nice but I only shot one mag.

chief63
01-17-2013, 11:56
Interested, but I like my PPS.

TSAX
01-17-2013, 13:48
After handling the XDS 45, Im very interested in the 9mm, with that said unless it shoots better than the PPS, I'll be getting the Walther single stack I get. The Shield is about $100 less and a good choice also but so far in the slim 9's the PPS 9mm is what Ive liked best. Its said to be MSRP the same as the XDS 45 and around here its about $75 more than a PPS and $175 more than the Shield.





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Bob Hafler
01-18-2013, 05:44
There are reports of gravel and debris getting lodged and failing the grip safety.


Probably the same people reporting that Glock is going to put out a Single Stack 9mm any year now. :whistling:


There are also reports/ facts, and you can read it right here on this forum from many memebers, that some Glocks throw brass in your face.

KennyFSU
01-18-2013, 05:56
Anyone have some comparison with the XD-S 9 and a Kahr PM9? If the sizes are similar I may have to make the switch.

Beanie-Bean
01-18-2013, 06:03
Anyone have some comparison with the XD-S 9 and a Kahr PM9? If the sizes are similar I may have to make the switch.

Kenny,

The PM9 is closer in size to a Kimber Solo, which is definitely smaller than the XD-S.

I'm heading out to work, but will get some comparison shots up for everyone to get an idea of how small (big?) the XD-S is compared to other pistols.

To be honest, it's one of the best carrying pistols, and definitely one of the most fun to shoot at the range. The 7-round magazines carry just fine after you remove the "collar" or spacer at the bottom. After that, it just looks like a regular commander-sized magazine. Shoot, it's even N.Y. compliant, too!

The only aspect I'd change for mine would be the sights. I still have the stock sights (which are just fine at the range) but believe me--if you had to deploy the XD-S at "social work" ranges (as stated by Jeff Q.) this one will definitely get the job done!

I haven't had any problems with feed/ejection/etc. with my .45 model, and I don't expect anything less from the 9mm model they'll release. Even the paddle holster included with the kit is marked 9/40/45.

TheJ
01-18-2013, 06:03
It should be great.

I love the entire XD line.

+1 I'm really looking forward to checking the XDs 9 out sometime in the future.

TheJ
01-18-2013, 06:16
There are reports of gravel and debris getting lodged and failing the grip safety.

To the original question, I've always said I'd put a bike inner tube on the grip if I ever bought an XD to "pin down" the grip safety.

Between the Shield and the XDs, I would venture a guess that the grip safety fail on an XDs is probably going to be far far less common than failure to disengage the manual safety on the Shield.

BJHXDM3.8
01-18-2013, 06:39
Anyone have some comparison with the XD-S 9 and a Kahr PM9? If the sizes are similar I may have to make the switch.

I have both the PM 9 and XDs .45. The slides on
both guns are the same width. The XDs is alittle
longer due to the XDs having a 3.3" barrel versus
a 3" barrel on the PM9. The thickness of the XDs
grip is .015" wider on the XDs and about a .25"
longer. In my opinion, if you already own a PM9 I wouldn't
spend the money getting an XDs in 9mm. In .45acp,
definately.

DaBurna
01-18-2013, 06:45
I like my XD-S in .45ACP.... I bought a Shield9 last April.... I think XD's trigger is MUUUUUCH nicer than S&W's config for the Shield Series...

That being said..... I think this will be a winner for Springfield!

brisk21
01-18-2013, 06:56
I want one, but I already have a Walther PPS 9mm. I really don't have a use for it.

Rustin
01-18-2013, 07:18
So all three of the great 9mm single stackers hae some sort of safety.

Which is the lesser of the three evils?

Thumb safety nub that you should always practice disengaging on the draw because it could potentially engage without deliberation.

Grip safety that will render the gun useless if it is not fully depressed. All hands are different, and many people miss the safety while drawing with speed on the range.

Backstrap safety system that makes the gun a paper weight if the backstrap is removed or broken.

XDS with a grip sleeve is the lesser of the evils IMO.

Plus the Walther is too expensive, including the mags.

mac66
01-18-2013, 07:30
I would like to see this single stack next to a regular XD9 sub compact. I don't see an advantage if they are about the same size.

cal45
01-18-2013, 07:40
I would entertain the idea of this replacing my Walther PPS 9mm.

Why? It's good to see them introduce the XDs in 9 but I'd rather have my 9mm PPS with a choice of 6,7, & 8 rd mags.

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/8830/ppsmine2.jpg

gocubs6
01-18-2013, 09:02
Slide looks a little thick for a SS 9.

It isn't. Although I haven't seen the 9mm version, I have a Shield and my friend has the 45 XDS. They are virtually the same size in all dimensions. I don't think the slide will get thicker w/ a 9mm.

gocubs6
01-18-2013, 09:04
Why? It's good to see them introduce the XDs in 9 but I'd rather have my 9mm PPS with a choice of 6,7, & 8 rd mags.

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/8830/ppsmine2.jpg

For me, I don't want to pay $60 for said magazines and have a backstrap that could fall off and disable the gun. I'd rather have a grip safety that is passive and depresses w/ a natural gun grip.

PPS' are nice though. If they'd get the cost of the mags down and get rid of the dumb backstrap idea, it would really take off.

gocubs6
01-18-2013, 09:06
There are reports of gravel and debris getting lodged and failing the grip safety.

To the original question, I've always said I'd put a bike inner tube on the grip if I ever bought an XD to "pin down" the grip safety.

Never seen such reports. I have had an XDM and never had one issue w/ the grip safety. The 1911 has been around for 100 years and gravel doesn't seem to be an issue there.

TSAX
01-18-2013, 09:43
I like my XD-S in .45ACP.... I bought a Shield9 last April.... I think XD's trigger is MUUUUUCH nicer than S&W's config for the Shield Series...

That being said..... I think this will be a winner for Springfield!

:agree:, the shield is a nice gun but the XDS has a much better trigger and also Id say the PPS as well. Early thought for me is XDS 9 looks like a winner, cant wait to shot and confirm.






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brisk21
01-18-2013, 10:08
Why? It's good to see them introduce the XDs in 9 but I'd rather have my 9mm PPS with a choice of 6,7, & 8 rd mags.

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/8830/ppsmine2.jpg


Well, I entertained the idea for about 1 second. I can't imagine getting rid of the PPS.

District18
01-18-2013, 16:10
I actually like that the grip isn't micro thin. I have large hands and have a little trouble with ultra thin guns.

Dan Glock
01-18-2013, 16:30
Well, I entertained the idea for about 1 second. I can't imagine getting rid of the PPS.

I too wouldn't give mine up. I did originally for the XDs 45acp, and got a Shield at the same time. Both are sold now and got the PPS back. Seriously PPS is a fine shooter more so in my opinion than the other two. Even with the new XDs 9mm, the Walther has something special about it.

HiVel
01-18-2013, 17:57
PPS is oK but the mag release is not what I like nor do I care for the trigger--
to each his own-you get what u like -right?

"still looking for a slimline 9"

KennyFSU
01-18-2013, 19:02
Beanie and BJHX, thank you for the personal insight. I think I will just hang on to my PM9 since it's been an accurate and reliable pocket gun.


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redrick
01-18-2013, 19:57
Aside from the obvious cost of re-tooling a bunch of stuff, why didn't they slim it down for 9mm platform? They took the same gun they run 45acp in and stuck a 9mm barrel and mag in essentially. The only thing you gain is more capacity. It should have a slimmer platform.

I agree.

TheJ
01-18-2013, 22:47
Aside from the obvious cost of re-tooling a bunch of stuff, why didn't they slim it down for 9mm platform? They took the same gun they run 45acp in and stuck a 9mm barrel and mag in essentially. The only thing you gain is more capacity. It should have a slimmer platform.

A that occurred to me was that all the same accessories that work on the 45 (holsters, laser guards, etc.) will all instantly already be available for the 9 instead of having to wait for them to catch up. Also I don't think they were necessarily trying to be a pocket gun or the absolutely smallest 9mm possible. Several others are already substantially smaller. They may be thinking like the Shield its a better balance of size, weight and shoot ability as a package. Since its really not a "pocket" gun, I'm not sure the few thousands difference would really be worth it.

Reswob
01-18-2013, 22:54
For me, I don't want to pay $60 for said magazines and have a backstrap that could fall off and disable the gun. I'd rather have a grip safety that is passive and depresses w/ a natural gun grip.

PPS' are nice though. If they'd get the cost of the mags down and get rid of the dumb backstrap idea, it would really take off.

How many mags do you need for a BUG?

mixflip
01-18-2013, 23:20
Here is some video I took of the XDs9 at Shot Show.

Shot Show 2013 Springfield Armory XDs single stack 9mm - YouTube

My opinion...I actually like the grip safety over the Shields thumb safety for deep concealment carry. Safety is on for peace of mind and its off with out remembering to swipe a thumb safety when drawing under stress adrenaline and fear.

Could you still shoot yourself in the nads? Sure but you can still do that with any gun. Its all about preference.

I am not a fan of full time ambi mag release's on most handguns. I have seen mags get accidentally released because the mag is exposed facing out and I am not comfortable with that.

I would probably grind down my mag button to be just set up for me (a righty).

TheJ
01-19-2013, 06:47
Here is some video I took of the XDs9 at Shot Show.

Shot Show 2013 Springfield Armory XDs single stack 9mm - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srKci0Rsdr0)

My opinion...I actually like the grip safety over the Shields thumb safety for deep concealment carry. Safety is on for peace of mind and its off with out remembering to swipe a thumb safety when drawing under stress adrenaline and fear.

Could you still shoot yourself in the nads? Sure but you can still do that with any gun. Its all about preference.

I am not a fan of full time ambi mag release's on most handguns. I have seen mags get accidentally released because the mag is exposed facing out and I am not comfortable with that.

I would probably grind down my mag button to be just set up for me (a righty).

Thanks for posting this. :)
I'm curious what you think of the trigger and how it may compare to the shield.

brisk21
01-19-2013, 08:02
I too wouldn't give mine up. I did originally for the XDs 45acp, and got a Shield at the same time. Both are sold now and got the PPS back. Seriously PPS is a fine shooter more so in my opinion than the other two. Even with the new XDs 9mm, the Walther has something special about it.


Yeah. Plus, it has been out quite awhile longer than all these other 9mm single stacks poping up for concealed carry lately.

Nakanokalronin
01-19-2013, 16:52
It would be pretty difficult to accidentally drop a mag on an XD/XDM/XDS by bumping the other side. The mag catch is decently guarded and stiff enough to prevent that. The Shield I owned though had such an light easy mag catch, a slight touch would have it popping out of the well.

Other than the XDS in 45 and now 9mm being the same size as many other 9mms out there, it's nice to have the ability to use both guns in the same holsters and have the same dimensions.

I find it ironic so many want it slimmer but they have no problem with the brick slide of a G30, 26/27, 19, etc. The width of the G26 slide is wider than the overall width of the XDS including controls, but the 26/27 is one of the most widely used IWB guns which has also known to be pocketed.

Oh yea, Glock also finally woke up and stuck a G36 slide on the 30...about time they played catch up. :whistling:

Maybe someone should make a 9mm pistol that is 9.0000001mm thick so everyone/no one is happy. In any case, the XDS in 9mm will sell as fast as the 45acp version...maybe even more so.