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sharp
01-16-2013, 23:06
With the invent of the G30S, what is the point of the G30 / G30SF? Do yo think they'll be going away? I can't think of any good reason why Glock would make both models.

JTSmith
01-16-2013, 23:09
G30 is MUCH better for pistol whipping.

sharp
01-16-2013, 23:25
G30 is MUCH better for pistol whipping.

LOL! :rofl:

ViennaGambit
01-16-2013, 23:27
Well, until they make an OD G30s, I'll be keeping my OD G30 :)

sharp
01-16-2013, 23:35
If I already had a G30 or G30SF, I doubt I'd run out and get the G30S, I just don't think it will be THAT much of an improvement.....BUT having said that, I think it's gonna be an easy decision between the three G30 models. Who's buying the G30S and why?

Hadoken
01-17-2013, 05:59
Had the 30s been released on a gen4 frame I wouldn't see the point in still producing the regular g30, but being a lefty I've still got to choose the 30 gen4 if I want to reverse the mag relase. So if I can find one that will be the one I buy.

Glock30Eric
01-17-2013, 07:02
I like G30. Little heavier than G30S it has a better muzzle flip control.

GRT45
01-17-2013, 07:05
If you have any plan or desire to shoot .45 Super ammo or convert a G30 pistol to 10mm or .460 Rowland caliber for woods protection, the standard weight of the slide on the G30/G30SF Gen3 and G30 Gen4 is a distinct advantage over the G30S. Having done both conversions, I wouldn't be comfortable trying it with a lighter slide and full-power 10mm or .460 Rowland ammo. The .460 Rowland conversion requires a compensator or ported barrel in addition to the heavier G30/G30SF slide and stronger recoil spring to manage the recoil. The slide width of the G30/G30SF is also a perfect match for an RMR red dot sight. For some of us, wider and heavier is better.

Describing how the G30S pistol shoots compared to the G30/G30SF, Mas Ayoob made this comment (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1464970):

"Recoil is subjective, of course, but I feel a little more impact into the web of the hand and a little more muzzle rise with the 30S than with the 30 or 30SF. Not a huge difference, though, and still comfortable to shoot."

BMiracletx
01-17-2013, 09:31
Dunno... I have a 30sf and a 36 and a 39... cant see the 30s really being that much of a diff over what I have... I could just put the 36 slide on my 30sf....

SCSU74
01-17-2013, 11:04
With the invent of the G30S, what is the point of the G30 / G30SF? Do yo think they'll be going away? I can't think of any good reason why Glock would make both models.

Better question is "what is the point of the 30s?"


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RJHUB
01-17-2013, 11:44
G30 is MUCH better for pistol whipping.
:rofl::rofl:LOL.

Made my day.

I have both 30sf and 36 and like both the way they are.
But not sure why they will need both 30 and 30S.
Not sure the difference in thickness at hand but doublestack 30
does feel thicker.

cowboy1964
01-17-2013, 11:46
G30S is a Gen 3 frame, G30 is available in Gen 4. So the question is, is the Gen 3 G30 going away?

BBMW
01-17-2013, 14:47
While you may be correct, what percentage of G30 owners will ever do those conversions? 1%? Maybe less?

If you have any plan or desire to shoot .45 Super ammo or convert a G30 pistol to 10mm or .460 Rowland caliber for woods protection, the standard weight of the slide on the G30/G30SF Gen3 and G30 Gen4 is a distinct advantage over the G30S. Having done both conversions, I wouldn't be comfortable trying it with a lighter slide and full-power 10mm or .460 Rowland ammo. The .460 Rowland conversion needs a compensator or ported barrel together with the heavier G30 slide and stronger recoil spring to manage the recoil. The slide width of the G30/G30SF is also a perfect match for an RMR red dot sight. For some of us, bigger and heavier is better.

Describing how the G30S pistol shoots compared to the G30/G30SF, Mas Ayoob made this comment (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1464970):

"Recoil is subjective, of course, but I feel a little more impact into the web of the hand and a little more muzzle rise with the 30S than with the 30 or 30SF. Not a huge difference, though, and still comfortable to shoot."

BMiracletx
01-17-2013, 15:04
If you have any plan or desire to shoot .45 Super ammo or convert a G30 pistol to 10mm or .460 Rowland caliber for woods protection, the standard weight of the slide on the G30/G30SF Gen3 and G30 Gen4 is a distinct advantage over the G30S."


Wow... can't imagine 460 Rowland in a 30...

ThinkMud
01-17-2013, 15:30
My 30SF shoots more accurate for me than any other of my Glocks. Heavy and bulky but concealable in a MTAC.

GRT45
01-17-2013, 15:30
Wow... can't imagine 460 Rowland in a 30...

It's an awesome little pistol for protection in the back country. My girlfriend converts her G30SF to 10mm and I carry the G30SF Rowland. Both are converted back to 45ACP for CCW in the city.

GT member voonman posted a very informative thread with pics and video about his G30SF .460 Rowland conversion if you are interested.

Glock 30 460 Rowland Conversion Review (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1440720)

GLJones
01-17-2013, 17:11
I have both a Glock 30 and a Glock 36. I LOVE my 30 and will continue to carry it. If I want a G30s I will just put the 36 slide on the 30. It does work and I have shot it. Still prefer the 30. The extra weight helps control recoil.

krs7272
01-17-2013, 17:55
Had the 30s been released on a gen4 frame I wouldn't see the point in still producing the regular g30, but being a lefty I've still got to choose the 30 gen4 if I want to reverse the mag relase. So if I can find one that will be the one I buy.

Same here. Lefty. So Gen 4 30 for me


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Opie 1 Kenopie
01-17-2013, 18:05
With the invent of the G30S, what is the point of the G30 / G30SF? Do yo think they'll be going away? I can't think of any good reason why Glock would make both models.

You can't land a plane on the 30S slide, too thin.

TeeJay37
01-17-2013, 18:55
I just realized, they could have killed two birds with one stone. The 30s is on a Gen 3 frame because they haven't made a 36 gen 4, so they would need to make a gen 4 slide for that if Rey wanted a gen 4 30s. Seems like the perfect time to release 36 gen 4 in conjunction.


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BMiracletx
01-17-2013, 19:01
It's an awesome little pistol for protection in the back country. My girlfriend converts her G30SF to 10mm and I carry the G30SF Rowland. Both are converted back to 45ACP for CCW in the city.

GT member voonman posted a very informative thread with pics and video about his G30 .460 Rowland conversion if you are interested.

Glock 30 460 Rowland Conversion Review (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1440720)

I will definitely have to check this out. Usually I just carry my 20sf... 16 rounds of 180 XTP at 1300 or 200 XTP at 1200...

BuckyP
01-17-2013, 20:15
I was chomping at the bit for a G30S, but then I think of the investment I have in leather for the G30, I'm not in such a rush anymore. Heck, I have more leather on the way for the G30.

<<-- :crazy:

J_P
01-17-2013, 20:26
I just realized, they could have killed two birds with one stone. The 30s is on a Gen 3 frame because they haven't made a 36 gen 4, so they would need to make a gen 4 slide for that if Rey wanted a gen 4 30s. Seems like the perfect time to release 36 gen 4 in conjunction.


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Im betting your right, seems like now would be a good time to release the Gen 4 G36??

A side thought, If your in my place and dont own a G30 or G36. The G30s would look intriguing, im betting it would feel much better carrying IWB then a standard G30.

TeeJay37
01-17-2013, 20:29
I was chomping at the bit for a G30S, but then I think of the investment I have in leather for the G30, I'm not in such a rush anymore. Heck, I have more leather on the way for the G30.

<<-- :crazy:

That makes since. Even if you don't have any holsters yet. It seems like a lot of people will get a combo like a 17 and a 26 and be able to use the same holster. That wouldn't work with a 21 and a 30s.


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smokey240sx
01-17-2013, 20:35
You can never have enough glocks. The 30s is like a iPad mini.

krs7272
01-17-2013, 20:38
I was chomping at the bit for a G30S, but then I think of the investment I have in leather for the G30, I'm not in such a rush anymore. Heck, I have more leather on the way for the G30.

<<-- :crazy:

Haha I ordered and already have a holster for the 30 and was just waiting for the Gen4. Now they release a 30S that will fit into my already broken in IWB 23 holster. But being lefty and 30S in Gen3. Ill just break in my new holster with a 30.


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Cheeseburger1976
01-17-2013, 20:40
I just got a 30 in gen3 and a 90.00 MTAC(love) ... What the hell is the "s"??


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GRT45
01-17-2013, 20:48
I just got a 30 in gen3 and a 90.00 MTAC(love) ... What the hell is the "s"??

See recent press release:

GLOCK, Inc Unveils the New 30S Pistol Model (http://us.glock.com/news/release/glock-unveils-new-30s-pistol-model)

BMiracletx
01-17-2013, 20:48
I just got a 30 in gen3 and a 90.00 MTAC(love) ... What the hell is the "s"??


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They put the slimmer slide of the 36 on the frame of the 30. So it is a bit lighter than a 30. If you have a 36, you can just put that slide on your 30 and have a 30s. Some folks who have donen it were calling it the 30/36 hybrid before GLock actually shipped them like that.

ThinkMud
01-17-2013, 23:10
I will definitely have to check this out. Usually I just carry my 20sf... 16 rounds of 180 XTP at 1300 or 200 XTP at 1200...

That's my woods carry:)
...but the .460 Rowland has my attention.... As well as the .45 super. Never seen either in person but want to know more!

Slug71
01-19-2013, 22:07
With the invent of the G30S, what is the point of the G30 / G30SF? Do yo think they'll be going away? I can't think of any good reason why Glock would make both models.

The 30S takes the best(sf & capacity) of the 30 with a big pro(thin slide) from the 36 and combines them. The thinner slide also reducing weight which is another pro. My guess is that if the reliability and sales numbers are there with the 30S, the 30 and 30SF models will likely be retired.

If not, It would still make sense for Glock to make the 29SF and 30SF the standard for current production gen3 models now. This way only two frames(SF and Gen4) are being produced instead of three.

I wonder what this means for the 36 though.
Could be a move to lower cost of the 36 by producing a component(slide) in higher volume. This makes sense if they are to keep the 36 around which is Glock's slowest seller. However, seeing as they didn't just do it on the Gen4 model, tells me the Gen4 36 isn't near either.

Dunno, but I think the 36 is in a bit of trouble.

truckcop
01-19-2013, 22:13
To me, the 36 has always been in trouble. I've got two that have never run right. I would have been happy if they had come out with a 36 that works.
I had no idea the 36 slide would go on the 30SF frame. I've got one of those as well. It was my last pick from a GSSF win. I'm going to have to try building that hybrid myself and see if it runs any better than the standard 36's that I have.

Slug71
01-19-2013, 23:21
To me, the 36 has always been in trouble. I've got two that have never run right. I would have been happy if they had come out with a 36 that works.
I had no idea the 36 slide would go on the 30SF frame. I've got one of those as well. It was my last pick from a GSSF win. I'm going to have to try building that hybrid myself and see if it runs any better than the standard 36's that I have.

I had a 36 too which didn't run right. Sold it and got a 19. Couldn't be happier.

A few people here have done the hybrid. From what I can remember, they seemed to be reliable.
Once you check, why not just sell your 3 pistols and get a 30S and some ammo with the extra cash?

Vance
01-20-2013, 06:44
Love my Glock 36. I have owned two model 30's. Sold them and went back to the single stack for carry. Thinner profile and less weight.

mj9mm
01-20-2013, 06:44
Has anybody gone to the glock site? check out the specs, the 36 is still thinner, according to their measurements, and the 30s numbers look like a 30:dunno:

t4terrific
01-20-2013, 06:57
The recoil on the Glock 30 is significantly less. The heavier slide really tames the recoil.

I have shot both, on the same day, and the difference in recoil is very noticeable.

DaBurna
01-20-2013, 07:00
Might the 30S eat away at the .45 GAP models? I mean "slimmer" side profile for IWB, & the SF grip is a difference maker for some (myself included I own a G30SF)...?

Larry V
01-20-2013, 07:04
The G 30n Gen 4 is the best compact pistol made.Its very accurate and easy to carry

Slug71
01-20-2013, 12:15
Has anybody gone to the glock site? check out the specs, the 36 is still thinner, according to their measurements, and the 30s numbers look like a 30:dunno:

Thats because the frame of the 36 is thinner than the frame of the G30S which is a G30sf frame. Glocks measurements go by the widest part of the frame.

The 30S is just a 36 Slide on a G30sf frame.

Slug71
01-20-2013, 12:26
Might the 30S eat away at the .45 GAP models? I mean "slimmer" side profile for IWB, & the SF grip is a difference maker for some (myself included I own a G30SF)...?

No.
The G38 which is closest in size to the G30 is still thinner. The G38 uses the G19, 23, 32 frame. The grip front to back, is either the same or a tad shorter than the SF frame.
I also find the grip of the 38 far more comfortable than that of the 30 and 36.

oldman11
01-20-2013, 12:29
I like G30. Little heavier than G30S it has a better muzzle flip control.
+1 on that. You beat me to it.

franco4027
01-20-2013, 16:52
I think the 30sf would be safer with hot ammo or +p since it was built like the 10mm. I put a 10mm barrel on mine and it shoots great. I cant tell any difference between shooting it with the conversion and my friends g29. The lighter slide would tend to have a higher slide speed I would think. But for ccw that 30s would be awesome especially with the 9 round mag.

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M 7
01-20-2013, 17:07
With the invent of the G30S, what is the point of the G30 / G30SF? Do yo think they'll be going away? I can't think of any good reason why Glock would make both models.

The "point" of the G30 was to put the .45ACP in a pistol the size of a G19- I like the G30 as it was in the gen 3 form and really hope that this isn't the end of it. The 30s seems like minor change that isn't all that significant.

Slug71
01-21-2013, 10:39
The "point" of the G30 was to put the .45ACP in a pistol the size of a G19- I like the G30 as it was in the gen 3 form and really hope that this isn't the end of it. The 30s seems like minor change that isn't all that significant.

The 30sf is still Gen3 and closer in size to the 19 than the standard G30. Since Glock now offers two(30sf and 30S) models with the Gen3 SF frame, I think the would only drop the standard G30 Gen3 frame and not the SF.

oldman11
01-21-2013, 11:05
We need to keep the G30 alive and kicking. At least for us that have larger hands. G30 also has better weight balance than the SF or 30s in my opinion. No need to try and get rid of a proven gun.

esa17
01-21-2013, 11:17
I had a G30 and then had to sell it when things got tight...

That was a sad day.

Z1232K
01-21-2013, 11:20
I like G30. Little heavier than G30S it has a better muzzle flip control.


Have you fired the new 30S?

Just curious because I didn't think they were available in gun stores yet.:dunno:

Glock30Eric
01-21-2013, 11:28
Have you fired the new 30S?

Just curious because I didn't think they were available in gun stores yet.:dunno:

People who shot it said the same thing. It is also making sense.

I haven't fired one but you can see people saying the same thing on YouTube clips.

Z1232K
01-21-2013, 11:41
According to Glock.com...

G30 loaded - 33.89oz
G30S loaded - 30.16oz
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3.73oz

I wonder how much of a difference 3.73oz would really make in percieved recoil.

Desert Duck
01-21-2013, 13:07
The 30S takes the best(sf & capacity) of the 30 with a big pro(thin slide) from the 36 and combines them. The thinner slide also reducing weight which is another pro. My guess is that if the reliability and sales numbers are there with the 30S, the 30 and 30SF models will likely be retired.


Dunno, but I think the 36 is in a bit of trouble.

Agreed. Here is something I just read. I like the idea of the thin 36 and the grip of the 30sf... with 10 rounds of firepower vs. the G36 capacity... when I hold one and I like it, I'm gonna buy it!


Glock calls the new model a “hybrid,” because it marries the Glock 36 slide (the .45 ACP SlimLine, with a width of 1.13 in.) to the Glock 30SF frame — making it essentially an even slimmer 30SF. It holds 10 rounds of .45 ACP.
“The G30S platform has been more than a year in the making,” explained Josh Dorsey, GLOCK Vice President. “Our original request from the field – particularly from law enforcement – was to have a more concealable .45 that still carries 10 rounds, so we utilized the G30 SF frame after it was thoroughly tested, presented and accepted as the desired frame for the G30S.”
http://www.gundigest.com/wp-content/uploads/Glock_G30S.jpg (http://www.gundigest.com/wp-content/uploads/Glock_G30S.jpg) New Glock 30S, 10 rounds of .45 ACP in a slim package.

SPECS

Dimensions
Length (overall): 177 mm / 6.97 inch
Length (slide cpl.): 172 mm / 6.77 inch
Width: 32.5 mm / 1.28 inch
Height with magazine: 122 mm / 4.80 inch
Barrel length: 96 mm / 3.78 inch
Length of twist: 400 mm / 15.75 inch
Trigger distance: 72.5 mm / 2.85 inch
Trigger travel to discharge: 12.5 mm / 0.49 inch
Length between sights (polymer): 150 mm / 5.91 inch



Weight
Pistol w/o magazine: 575 g / 20.28 oz
Magazine std. empty: 70 g / 2.47 oz
Magazine std. full (depending on ammo used): 280 g / 9.88 oz

http://www.gundigest.com/wp-content/uploads/New_Glocks_2013-231x300.jpg (http://www.gundigest.com/wp-content/uploads/New_Glocks_2013.jpg) Glock rolled out four new Gen4 models in 2013 – the G20, G29, G30 and G33.



Magazine capacity (rounds): 10
Barrel profile: right hand twist; octagonal
Standard Trigger pull: ~5.5lbs
Muzzle velocity V0**: 787 fps
Muzzle energy E0**: 317 ft lb

Slug71
01-21-2013, 13:22
Agreed. Here is something I just read. I like the idea of the thin 36 and the grip of the 30sf... with 10 rounds of firepower vs. the G36 capacity... when I hold one and I like it, I'm gonna buy it!


Glock calls the new model a “hybrid,” because it marries the Glock 36 slide (the .45 ACP SlimLine, with a width of 1.13 in.) to the Glock 30SF frame — making it essentially an even slimmer 30SF. It holds 10 rounds of .45 ACP.
“The G30S platform has been more than a year in the making,” explained Josh Dorsey, GLOCK Vice President. “Our original request from the field – particularly from law enforcement – was to have a more concealable .45 that still carries 10 rounds, so we utilized the G30 SF frame after it was thoroughly tested, presented and accepted as the desired frame for the G30S.”
http://www.gundigest.com/wp-content/uploads/Glock_G30S.jpg (http://www.gundigest.com/wp-content/uploads/Glock_G30S.jpg) New Glock 30S, 10 rounds of .45 ACP in a slim package.


I wouldn't call the 30S/SF slim though. It's still a fat frame. The grip is only shortened front to back.

Desert Duck
01-21-2013, 18:44
"Slim" or "slimline" are Glock's choice of words.

The words I used, were from "Agreed.... (To)..... I'm gonna buy it!"

But yeah, my word choice would not be slim!
I just got a new to me LE trade in G22 and it felt slim compared to my 45 acp Glock guns!

Desert Duck
01-21-2013, 18:45
Slug.... Where are you in Oregon?

Slug71
01-21-2013, 18:56
Slug.... Where are you in Oregon?

Klamath Falls unfortunately.

Opie 1 Kenopie
01-21-2013, 20:58
Klamath Falls unfortunately.

My old stomping grounds! Went to school at Sacred Heart, grew up in Malin. You might not dig it there, but living in CA, I sure wish I was back in that area. I'm betting from your screen name that we're the same age too.

Slug71
01-21-2013, 21:34
My old stomping grounds! Went to school at Sacred Heart, grew up in Malin. You might not dig it there, but living in CA, I sure wish I was back in that area. I'm betting from your screen name that we're the same age too.

Nice. Yeh not a fan of the place at all. Very little work around here and businesses still closing. Big meth and unemployment problems here now. Can't go out without watching your back and the place is becoming the new Mexico..lol.
A lot of Cali people moving over here now too though. Don't blame em either.
Definitely not as beautiful as New Hampshire either which is where I moved here from.
Actually 71 is just a number that seemed to follow me around for a while so began using it. Was born in 80. :)