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danattherock
01-18-2013, 14:41
Delivery truck is on the way with a 39" x 66" 950 lb safe. Been reading online enough to know that bolting it down, or securing with anchors, etc.. is a good move. Problem is, I don't know much about gun safes or best way to accomplish this task. The safe is going to be on hardwood floors with crawl space access underneath. Thanks for any ideas on how to make this safe more secure.


-Dan

The Fed
01-18-2013, 15:19
At 950 pounds I'm not so sure I would bother it bolting it down. Anyway, you'll need to look inside to see there are holes already drilled for bolting it down. Could be tough to drill if it's a hard steel. If it already has holes then you'll know what diameter bolt to buy. If not, I would ask the manufacturer for advice.

I would use high tensile strength bolts (Grade 8) with nyloc nuts.

jdeere_man
01-18-2013, 15:23
It should be pre-drilled. It is bolted to a pallet, remove those bolts and use those holes. If you can get undernead drill clear through the floor and bolt it thru. If you have access to steel, make some good sized plates that fit where you need to go, like 6x6 square, and drill a hole in them. Put them on the underneath side of the floor so the bolts aren't so easily ripped out.

FLglockdude
01-18-2013, 15:27
If you go to Lowes or Home Depot they have small pieces of steel plate that you could drill holes in and use them as backing plates so it isn't so easy to rip the bolts out of the floor.

The Fed
01-18-2013, 15:27
I didn't think of that. If it's only through 3/4" plywood it's not really secure but it's better than nothing. U-bolts or J-bolts around the floor joists would be much more secure.

Hawaiiglock
01-18-2013, 15:28
How thick is the floor? What are the lay out of the floor joist? If there is not enough "structure" under the safe the floor may sag, 950lbs + how many guns will put a lot of weight over a small area.

If I were going to put a safe over a properly constructed floor that had a crawl space underneath I'd figure out where I wanted the safe and drill the mounting holes through the floor. I'd then find some strips of thick steel plate to use as over sized washers so the bolts can't be pulled through the floor if someone tries to pry the safe up. If the crawl space is easily accessible I'd weld the nuts to the steel plate so they could not be unbolted with ease.

danattherock
01-18-2013, 20:35
Great ideas guys, thanks. I like the idea of the J bolts through the joist. Not sure where to find J bolts that long, but will look around. I may indeed put some support under the safe. Any ideas on how to do that? I don't know much about construction and what not. Concrete footing with a 4x4 cut to almost fit, bang it to an upright position with my BFH. Sounds simple, too simple perhaps. Ha ha..



Dan

jdeere_man
01-18-2013, 21:09
If you need support you could do as you said. Also there are "floor jacks" not the automotive type. You could use those. People usually use them between a main floor and a basement floor, but I assume they make short ones for crawl spaces.

If you have a welder and a torch you could make your own j-bolts to hook to the joists

F_G
01-19-2013, 12:15
My safe sits on a concrete floor and I used "redheads" to bolt it down, I know this doesn't help you, but don't forget about the wall it will most likely be sitting up against. I have mine bolted down to the floor and 2 lag bolts up higher into wall studs so any would be thieves can't get the safe rockin' and pull the bolts out of the floor. Also my safe has a small false floor that I filled with #6 shotgun shot, about 300# worth. Thieves may get it, but they'll work their ass off trying. :supergrin:

I'M Glockamolie
01-19-2013, 12:43
I can't picture what the setup looks like, but if you need LONG bolts to accomplish what you need, consider some allthread. They are available at Home Depot and other similar stores. They come in 3' or longer pieces and you can cut to your desired length.

http://www.portlandbolt.com/image/products/full/all_thread_rod1.jpg

DonD
01-19-2013, 13:16
Bolting it in is a good idea but I also agree big safes are a pain to move legally.

Mine is 900# empty and when I moved from an apartment where we were waiting for our house to be built, I specifically asked if their dolly would handle it. They said yes. Well....the axle failed, dropped the safe onto the pavement from the ramp, messed up the finish. They said they could fix it, I said they couldn't, they tried and failed and ended up buying it from me at my cost. Don

hoghunter82
01-19-2013, 13:52
The very best advice I can give is if you do not have the right kind of hammer drill go rent one from Home Depot. Having the right tool & bit to drill in the concrete (if u are going into concrete) makes life so much easier. I did not own that kind of drill and the $25 rental fee was worth every penny. I had it done in a matter of minutes. There are some great videos on YouTube from Sturdy Safe Company on the types of anchors. I used those videos to make my choice of hardware.


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MarineHawk
01-20-2013, 11:03
I recommend just buying 20 more, or so, additional rifles, and a few hundred thousand more rounds of ammo to weigh the safe down to make it more difficult to steal.

FullClip
01-20-2013, 11:17
At 950 pounds I'm not so sure I would bother it bolting it down. Anyway, you'll need to look inside to see there are holes already drilled for bolting it down. Could be tough to drill if it's a hard steel. If it already has holes then you'll know what diameter bolt to buy. If not, I would ask the manufacturer for advice.

I would use high tensile strength bolts (Grade 8) with nyloc nuts.

It would surprise a lot of people how easily steel can be drilled with the right bit, the right speed and right pressure on the bit (and a little cutting oil)

The chances of any pre-drilled hoes lining up with your floor joists are pretty slim, and anything anchored in wood just makes ripping it out a bit more difficult.
Shouldn't be a big problem drilling holes in the safe floor and back to allow using lag screws into the floor joists and wall studs to give it that extra PITA to anybody who wants to walk away with it. Also try to hide the safe.....don't make it the centerpiece of the room. Sacrifice a closet or corner and keep it out of view. Lots of folks think that if you got a safe, you're rich, and must have something worth stealing.

byf43
01-20-2013, 11:48
OP,

If you are going to set the safe on a hardwood floor, here's what I'd do.

1. Put at least 1 (2 is better) thicknesses of 3/4" plywood directly under the safe. (You can even put wood trim around the edges to 'dress' up the plywood.)
2. Once the safe is in place, locate the holes in the bottom, and drill down, into the floor/crawlspace.
(Make CERTAIN there are no electrical lines or plumbing lines under the safe!)
3. Use either steel plates under the floor (in the crawlspace) as 'backers' for the bolts.
4. Use either all-thread or extra long hardened bolts, fender washers, lock washers and nuts.

You may not make the safe 'un-moveable', but, you'll make it more difficult for someone to move!!

jhooten
01-20-2013, 13:03
The chances of any pre-drilled hoes lining up with your floor joists are pretty slim,

The ones in my Cannon did.

ScottieG59
01-20-2013, 14:18
If you have second thoughts about bolting the safe down, consider the danger of it falling on someone such as a child.

Also, if you have carpeting, prepare to cut or punch holes in it to avoid carpet runs when drilling. Also, in carpeted rooms, the strips along the wall will slightly tilt the safe.

As to hammer drills, they are not expensive to buy and most also work as a standard drill. Also, since they can drill into my safe, I keep mine secured in the safe.

My large safe is on concrete and to get it in the house, we had to remove doors. I paid a lock company to put it in place. It was very difficult and time consuming even with the equipment.

After it was in place, I secured it to the concrete myself using a hammer drill and wedge bolts. It was very easy. I watched a few YouTube videos first. I just made sure to drill deep enough that I could hammer the bolts below the surface if I decide to move the safe. At over 1,100 pound empty, I doubt I will choose to move it soon.

I also used red lock tight on the handles on the captain's wheel used for opening. That will slow down thieves since it impossible for it to get through doorways. This will add time to the theft even if they could break the bolted connections.

One thing to remember is that the greatest threat is fire and not theft. This should be considered when choosing a safe. Also, while paper may survive in some safes, other materials, such as film negatives and optical media, need better protection. It may help to get and additional small fire safe and place it in the larger gun safe.

The safe does not make things fire and theft proof. It just buys time. In the case of fire protection, do some research since consumer products do not have a universal standard of effectiveness. In the case of theft, most thieves are in a hurry. A security alarm combined with the safe may help minimize the amount of time thieves get. One additional issue is that thieves may choose to perform a home invasion and force you to open the safe.

James Dean
01-20-2013, 16:00
A good trick I was taught when I bought mine was to bolt it down to the floor, and make sure its up against a wall to the left of the safe. That way its much harder to try to pry open the door if there's a wall in the way. They can't use a long pry bar for leverage. It makes a lot of sense when you think about it

KennyFSU
01-20-2013, 16:15
Some great advice in here.


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markerbeacon
01-20-2013, 16:23
Delivery truck is on the way with a 39" x 66" 950 lb safe. Been reading online enough to know that bolting it down, or securing with anchors, etc.. is a good move. Problem is, I don't know much about gun safes or best way to accomplish this task. The safe is going to be on hardwood floors with crawl space access underneath. Thanks for any ideas on how to make this safe more secure.


-Dan

Make sure you have a path for air to get under the bottom. Water + Steel = Rust. Safe Killer.

DrtyHarry
01-20-2013, 17:24
A friend of mine has his welded to steel beams he had installed within the wall...that thing ain't ever going to move.




DH

danattherock
01-20-2013, 20:39
I recommend just buying 20 more, or so, additional rifles, and a few hundred thousand more rounds of ammo to weigh the safe down to make it more difficult to steal.


I will tell the wife it was your idea:whistling:



Thanks for the ideas guys. I appreciate it.

Sounds like some steel under the house will be a good move. A way to buy some time as stated earlier. Very fair assessment of what I am doing in reality. The safe is on hard wood flooring. Good 3 feet or more of access under the house. Should be able to get some steel plates and such with some big bolts of some kind through the safe, which has pre drilled holes. Will continue to think on it. Safe is empty as I am doing this before putting anything in it



-Dan

jhooten
01-20-2013, 21:09
Before you set it make sure you note where the power cord plugs in and leave room to get to it, if the safe is so equipt.

Cole125
01-21-2013, 00:46
Buy more ammo, then it will be for sure too heavy to move around! :cool:

2bgop
01-21-2013, 12:05
Both of my safes weigh well over 1200 lbs, if they can get them out of the house and loaded in a truck, they are a better man than I am.

Steff1
01-21-2013, 13:07
^ just curious how you got them there in the first place ?

FAS1
01-21-2013, 14:59
Both of my safes weigh well over 1200 lbs, if they can get them out of the house and loaded in a truck, they are a better man than I am.

Bolting it down is not only for theft of the entire safe. If they can tip it over and lay it on its back then they can use their body(s) weight on the end of a prybar much more effectively than if they were standing up.

gommer
01-21-2013, 15:46
Painful lesson I learned many years back...

1) Don't buy cheap sheetmetal gunsafe. It's almost like packing the guns up for the theives.

2) Don't bolt said craptastic safe down to wodden subflooring.

The result of 1 & 2 will be your guns stolen, your safe stolen, and now you've got a @#$# hole in your floor. :steamed:


But, 20 years later you can post about it on a forum and laugh about it. :rofl: