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Fwdftw
01-18-2013, 21:45
So ive been putting off refinishing my 91/30 for awhile.. And with the purchase of my new 80$ SKS :D which needed a refinish.. i figured what the hell..

Went to walmart picked up some Klean Strip gel and some brushes.. Stripped the finish as good as i could with the chemical. Rinsed em off and hung em to dry.. still in the drying process ( about 6 hours in ) heres where im at.

SKS

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Rizey/20130118_211728.jpg

91/30

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Rizey/20130118_211739.jpg

Question is on the SKS mainly.. when i got the gun this is what it looked like..
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Rizey/DSC00782.jpg

What in the hell could all that black have been? Burn? Stain? Hell if i know.. it looks like it is still inside the stock. How can i get it down to bare wood.

Im gonna do some sanding tommorow on both of them.. 150/220/ and final with a 350 pad. The mosin will ok i reckon :D What ye say? Im gonna do Boiled Linseed Oil for the finish.

SigFTW
01-18-2013, 22:05
It looks like burns, but you should be able to smell it if it was. Maybe some type of fungus.:dunno:

Can't wait to see the finished product.:supergrin:

Fwdftw
01-18-2013, 22:11
Yea.. idk man will it come off with sanding?

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countrygun
01-18-2013, 22:13
It looks like some petrochemical got through the original finish. Before you sand it into oblivion, (and you COULD avoid that another way) try this.

spray the stock with some "EZE-OFF Oven cleaner" and let it set a good while and then wash it off (wear gloves) with some "Dawn' dishwashing soap or waterless hand cleaner.

Both steps use products that fight/clean grease. If you use the WHC rinse the stock after in a solvent.

SigFTW
01-18-2013, 22:16
It depends on how deep it goes.I would try sanding with a heavier grit sand paper and see how much you can remove. If it starts to lighted up then you care getting closer to the end.

Fwdftw
01-18-2013, 22:47
Someone on another board suggested trying to bleach the wood that is showing darker spots as well.

ive heard oven cleaner was way harsh for the wood? What do i have to loose lol.. Im trying to not spend alot of money here.. i can get a decent stock off ebay for 20-25$ lol

Fwdftw
01-19-2013, 10:14
Anyone?

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countrygun
01-19-2013, 11:51
I have use oven cleaner on few old military stocks it certainly does not do more "damage" than over sanding. The bleach idea is a last resort and comes with it's own problems because it will not remove what is causing the discoloration and you may be looking at having to stain the wood to get an acceptable color. If whatever caused the stain is still in the wood it could react or leech back out bringing you back to square one. It's best to try and get something like that out of the wood if possible, not "re-color" it.

Fwdftw
01-19-2013, 12:18
Gotcha.. Heres updated pics after a little sanding.. Smoothed out what i needed to but its still there... Is it me ( first time doing this ) But is the nagant wood just ****ty or is there some stuck in stain still there?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Rizey/20130119_120630.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Rizey/20130119_120633.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Rizey/20130119_120640.jpg

m2hmghb
01-19-2013, 12:29
The nagant still has cosmoline in the stock, that's why its blotchy. You need a degreaser like purple power or one of the other tricks to draw it out. You can try using a hair dryer, it works but it takes time.

Fwdftw
01-19-2013, 12:31
Figured it still has that "Smell" To it!! Some boiling water and simple green diluted?

countrygun
01-19-2013, 12:42
They used a crappy grade of wood and there can be some real ugly when you get to the bottom. I think it was a Birch or Beech that can be as ugly as Debbie Wasserman Schultz. If it is anything like mine it only "takes' stains that are bad, try a woodstain on it and it looks like something that would have you taking your dog to the vet, but if it is something you DON'T want on it they become buddies for life.

m2hmghb
01-19-2013, 14:55
You need to use an alcohol based stain on the stocks that had cosmoline or oil finishes.

Fwdftw
01-19-2013, 15:53
After the simple green and hot water bath. Getting better..
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Rizey/20130119_155155.jpg
ive given up on the sks.. im gonna get some bed liner spray and hit the stock...bad idea ? Good idea?

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jmohme
01-19-2013, 16:48
try turpentine and follow up with denatured alchohol. I have had luck with this to pull oil stains out of old furniture when refinishing.

got2hav1
01-19-2013, 19:56
Fwd, before you go any further take a quick look at this link. I just tried this on a walnut stocked 10/22. You won't believe how good this turns out. Sounds like snake oil but works like a charm. It is a long thread but worth your time.

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=331108&page=44

Fwdftw
01-19-2013, 20:55
While that looks good it still doesnt solve my SKS problem lol..

The nagant is getting BLO treatment .

m2hmghb
01-20-2013, 02:56
While that looks good it still doesnt solve my SKS problem lol..

The nagant is getting BLO treatment .

You might want to look into using Whiting with a cleaning agent, it's been a while but brownells used to have it. I forget what cleaning agent they recommend, basically the cleaner dissolves the oil and forces it into the whiting paste and it is absorbed. The whiting is mixed with the chemical and applied to the stock.

Whiting Compound to Remove Gunstock Oil - YouTube

The only thing is I don't know is if the stain is from oil or not.

Tarant
01-20-2013, 03:34
When I refinished my Mosin it took several days but very little work, first cleaned the entire stock with a degreaser, then stripped the old shellac, did a light sanding with those green 3m pads. The most important step I found was wrapping the stock in absorbent disposable shop rags and leaving it in the hot sun for a few days, changed the rags twice since so much cosmoline ran out.
After that, a quick cleaning and added some light reddish minwax stain, several light coats and comparing the color to a friends original mosin I was happy and the stock got recoated in shellac. Came out great.

Not sure on the sks though, maybe just staining the stock a darker color to help hide the original stain.

Or the quote i hate the most "Why the hell bother, its just a crappy Mosin/SKS"

.45Super-Man
01-20-2013, 16:12
Acetone to strip. Bullseye amber shellac for the SKS and for the nagant, stain with iodine first, followed by amber shellac.