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mojohanna
01-19-2013, 13:48
So my son and my daughter are interested in shooting. My son is 12 and has been able to handle a 9mm and a .45, but my daughter is 8. I am worried that even the 9mm is going to be too much for her to handle safely. She has shot a .22 before and was able to manage it.
I have never looked at .22 pistols so I don't really know where to start. Any direction or thoughts would be helpful. I am looking for something reliable, and of good quality. This probably won't be something that I would trade/sell in the future, so something that is going to last. Certainly nothing from a carry standpoint, but nothing too large/heavy either. Once I get some direction, I'll head to the LGS and check some things out.

Thanks!

JimBianchi
01-19-2013, 13:49
Buckmark

jakebrake
01-19-2013, 13:51
buckmark, gsg 22, the list goes on and on.

RJ's Guns
01-19-2013, 13:59
What price range?
RJ

g29onboard
01-19-2013, 14:01
If you have Glocks, you might consider a conversion kit. My daughter shoots a G17 with a AA 22 conversion kit and loves it. She's 9.

onearmsteve
01-19-2013, 14:02
don't get a walther p22 there not reliable out of the box it takes a lot of work to make them work good

mojohanna
01-19-2013, 14:05
If you have Glocks, you might consider a conversion kit. My daughter shoots a G17 with a AA 22 conversion kit and loves it. She's 9.

I just picked up a 19 last week. I will look into a conversion kit. I would assume that would be a barrel and magazines?

mojohanna
01-19-2013, 14:06
What price range?
RJ

Probably $350ish. I don't know the ranges on the .22s like I do others.

hoghunter82
01-19-2013, 14:09
Browning Buckmark is my kids favorite.


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Shinytop
01-19-2013, 14:11
Ruger SR22 is a great 22 pistol. I have over 1000 rounds through mine. It is a DA/SA automatic. Many have reported it is a good gun to train new shooters on.

rednoved
01-19-2013, 14:37
My favorite is the Ruger Mark III.

Bruce M
01-19-2013, 16:33
It might be easier to list the relatively few that are not good, reliable .22 pistols. Umarex comes to mind as a group that have given some owners difficulty with the "look alike" versions. They make the Walther P22 along with other pistols styled as .22 models of a "real" pistol. A grand idea, poorly executed in my opinion. Especially the version from the company that essentially invented the .22 and had some familiarity with producing a .22 understudy for a centerfire duty handgun.


I think it also is worth mentioning that most .22 pistols have some ammunition they like more or less than others and that it is not uncommon to have a few nonfiring rounds in most of the economical .22 offerings.

I also think that a .22 revolver should be considered as a possibility. In perhaps about the only financially astute decision (just luck, no skill I assure you) I have made in my life, I got a couple K frame .22s and a Kit Gun back when they were usually priced at or below their centerfire counterparts. Currently the Ruger LCR .22 seems like a good deal for a rimfire revolver compared to the others.

John_NJ
01-19-2013, 16:54
Another vote for Ruger Mark III. Outstanding weapon. Super accurate.

Pepiot
01-19-2013, 17:34
Ruger single six

dougader
01-19-2013, 17:45
I have a new 22/45 Lite and while I like the pistol, the trigger is total crap. Is the SR 22 any better in this regard?
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bac1023
01-19-2013, 17:58
Probably $350ish. I don't know the ranges on the .22s like I do others.

Ruger Mark series

G23c
01-19-2013, 18:08
look at a basic blued Taurus 94 revolver. great to start with, 9-round, and heavy enough so really no recoil at all.

sawman1293
01-19-2013, 18:18
Any Ruger 22. My kids like the SP101 in .22.

mojohanna
01-19-2013, 18:29
Thanks all. All good places to start.

The_Gun_Guru
01-19-2013, 18:30
Without a doubt the Walther P22.....

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/gunguru364/20121227_162412_zpsb1c80d37.jpg

Suppressor optional:supergrin:


TGG

RJ's Guns
01-19-2013, 18:49
Ruger Mark series

I agree with Brian
RJ

Ranger142
01-19-2013, 18:52
I started my son out with a Heritage arms when he was about 12. He never had any trouble with it.

DoubleWide
01-19-2013, 19:52
Ruger Mark or 22/45 and Browning Buckmark are the way to go.

If it's just for the 8 year old, I'd consider a single action Ruger Bearcat.

Tom P
01-19-2013, 20:08
Just picked up a Ruger SR22 today for my wife. Really nice little pistol. Breakdown is simple, unlike my Mark III. We put a hundred Mini-Mags thru it today without a hickup. I like it better than the Walther or Sig.

Evosil98
01-19-2013, 20:28
Ruger mark III 22/45 has been 99.99% reliable. I've shot over 5,000 rds of various manufacturers and I think I had one FTE. Very accurate and fun pistol.

The only thing is that it might be a little top heavy. Good luck

Irish Stout
01-19-2013, 20:40
I just picked up a Ruger SR22. I have yet to shoot it. Breakdown is easy. I liked the decocker/safety. The Walther P22 does not have a decocker which I did not like.

krunkelton
01-19-2013, 20:55
we have a smith and wesson 22A for little over a year now and has around 1500 rounds down the tube with never an issue, no problems at all out of little heavy for a .22 pistol but has no kick at all like shooting an airsoft gun. its a great plinker

ArmoryDoc
01-19-2013, 20:56
Any of the Ruger 22's. They are all excellent.

http://app.onlinephotofiler.com/Img1/A_7/8/1/6/226187/3a7eb5c11e7047e2b38f8f748e3fb516.JPG?uid=1919acc2-7c3e-4883-849b-e36a2ecead50
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Rinspeed
01-19-2013, 20:58
I went through this several months ago and ended up with a Ruger Mark III. I put my OKO red dot on it and my boys and I have a blast with it.

poodleplumber
01-19-2013, 21:44
I will be the first to bring up the Beretta Neos. Accurate, reliable, easy to clean. Funny looking to some people, but young people often like the styling, and the grips are among the smallest, making it very comfortable for young shooters. I have introduced several young women (friends of my daughters) to shooting with the Neos, and they all enjoy it and are encouraged by immediate success.

mojohanna
01-19-2013, 21:53
I will be the first to bring up the Beretta Neos. Accurate, reliable, easy to clean. Funny looking to some people, but young people often like the styling, and the grips are among the smallest, making it very comfortable for young shooters. I have introduced several young women (friends of my daughters) to shooting with the Neos, and they all enjoy it and are encouraged by immediate success.


I like the look and price of these guys!

PzGren
01-20-2013, 04:40
Originally Posted by bac1023
Ruger Mark series

I agree with Brian
RJ

+1. In that price range, the Ruger Mk series shine with durability, reliabilty, and a vast aftermarket supply of possible improvements. That gun can grow with the demands of a shooter for quite some time.

Lior
01-20-2013, 05:14
Shame that the Beretta 71 fares poorly in the import points department. There are hundreds of unwanted ones hereabouts that should in all fairness be exported to the USofA.

CajunBass
01-20-2013, 05:33
It would be easier as someone else just said to say which one's not to buy. I've owned I don't know how many 22 handguns over the years. Ruger is probably my favorite, but others are good too.

So I'll offer some different advice. Look on the used rack. The vast majority of guns get traded in because the owner got bored with it and wanted something else, or because they needed money, not because they have trouble with them.

I've picked up two since Christmas, an Old Ruger Standard Automatic (with box and owners manual) and a High Standard nine shot D/A Sentinel revolver for less than $200.00 each. Both good solid guns with a lot of shooting left in them.

They weren't "beaters" either.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/handguns/100_0475.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/handguns/100_0478.jpg

Filhar
01-20-2013, 08:44
How could no one mention the Ruger Bearcat? Small frame single action, built to keep forever. Train them on a single action and they' 'll be able to shoot anything.

DonD
01-20-2013, 09:16
Ruger SR22 is a great 22 pistol. I have over 1000 rounds through mine. It is a DA/SA automatic. Many have reported it is a good gun to train new shooters on.

Totally agree. It is a quality gun, feels like a compact 9mm and is light enough that your daughter can handle it for much longer periods than she would be able to do with a heavier gun like a Ruger MKIII etc.

Trigger is quite decent and has nice 3-dot adjustable sights.

I got my SR22 for two reasons, as a training surrogate for the Ruger SR9C I got for my wife and CHL and just for fun. Excellent purchase from my standpoint. Don

mojohanna
01-23-2013, 20:38
Ok, went to the LGS with my daughter. Looked at the P22, Neos, 4.x" barrel, SW 22 and the Mk III. unfortunately, the didn't have an SR22.
The Mk III and Neos were too heavy for my daughter. The SW had too large of a grip.
The P22 was a good fit, but I have not seen a lot of good info on the P22. Seems to be problematic. Seems the SR22 is about the same size. I like the ambi safety and mag release, but P22 is similar.
I kind of like the decocker on the SR22, but I don't know if this is a deal breaker.

SR22 seems to be easier to strip as well.

Any advice or something I may be missing between the two?

BTW, I checked out a revolver too. It was too heavy as well. The poly framed guns seemed to be better balanced.


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4095fanatic
01-23-2013, 20:42
My Ruger 22/45 works like a charm


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SDGlock23
01-23-2013, 20:58
I like the Browning Buckmark. I've had mine for about 14-15 years and it's seen a LOT of ammo through it.

Rinspeed
01-23-2013, 21:20
The Mk III and Neos were too heavy for my daughter.


I know what you mean because my eight year old son struggles a bit with the weight. That's one of the things that drew me to the Mark III though, it's made of steel rather than pot metal like some of the others. :dunno:

oneuglygun
01-25-2013, 00:38
I have several for my grandkids to shoot. Colt single action, Taurus Double action, Buckmark, S&W 22a, SR22 Ruger. Their favorites seem to be the Buckmark and the SR22. My 8 year old boy always wants the Buckmark. I think because it has good balance and little recoil. The SR is flawless in function and is very light (15 ozs) but its bark is more noticeable. Caution on the SRs, the early runs had problems. Stay away from a used one. Easily identified, the early ones say "RUGER SR 22 PISTOL " on the slide. Later runs don't have the word "PISTOL". The girls usually take their time but the boys like to empty the mags !! The Taurus, or most any double action revolver, has a stiff trigger for little guys. Good luck in your hunt. Hope this helps.

ede
01-25-2013, 04:47
Ruger MkIII would be my choice followed by the Buckmark. Both are fine pistols and there's a huge aftermarket for each if at some point you want to upgrade.

Aceman
01-25-2013, 06:57
My favorite is the Ruger Mark III.

Everyone should own one.

ithaca_deerslayer
01-25-2013, 07:06
I have several for my grandkids to shoot. Colt single action, Taurus Double action, Buckmark, S&W 22a, SR22 Ruger. Their favorites seem to be the Buckmark and the SR22. My 8 year old boy always wants the Buckmark. I think because it has good balance and little recoil. The SR is flawless in function and is very light (15 ozs) but its bark is more noticeable. Caution on the SRs, the early runs had problems. Stay away from a used one. Easily identified, the early ones say "RUGER SR 22 PISTOL " on the slide. Later runs don't have the word "PISTOL". The girls usually take their time but the boys like to empty the mags !! The Taurus, or most any double action revolver, has a stiff trigger for little guys. Good luck in your hunt. Hope this helps.


Good to know about the SR, thanks :)
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The_Gun_Guru
01-25-2013, 07:31
Ok, went to the LGS with my daughter. Looked at the P22, Neos, 4.x" barrel, SW 22 and the Mk III. unfortunately, the didn't have an SR22.
The Mk III and Neos were too heavy for my daughter. The SW had too large of a grip.
The P22 was a good fit, but I have not seen a lot of good info on the P22. Seems to be problematic. Seems the SR22 is about the same size. I like the ambi safety and mag release, but P22 is similar.
I kind of like the decocker on the SR22, but I don't know if this is a deal breaker.

SR22 seems to be easier to strip as well.

Any advice or something I may be missing between the two?

BTW, I checked out a revolver too. It was too heavy as well. The poly framed guns seemed to be better balanced.


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ALL .22 semiautos are going to be "problematic", it's the nature of the beast.

My P22 is AWESOME! It feeds CCI Mini Mags, Remington Golder Bullets and Winchester M22 like a champ.

Are there a few hiccups every now and then? Of course, but that is going to happen, even in the SR22. As far as cleaning goes, I think my Glocks are the only guns I have that are easier to field strip than the P22:wow:

BTW....mine is one of the originals, it is not the newer P22Q, which is supposed to have some improvements.

Mine is great!
Walther P22 w/Gemtech Alpine Suppressor - YouTube


TGG

USMCgs3
01-25-2013, 07:55
I had a good experience with the s&w 22a. Used it in competition as a youngster, helped me win tx state pistol shooter in 2000 and 2nd in 2001. Affordable too. Used it with a aimpoint red dot, perfect score of 250 at 75 yards in 2000. Had a 248 in 01, lost to a girl!

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poodleplumber
01-25-2013, 15:08
ALL .22 semiautos are going to be "problematic", it's the nature of the beast.

I know that is the common wisdom, but in all honesty my little Beretta Neos has had no failures in several thousand rounds, except when the extractor claw got so grimy that it failed to extract. I suppose you could consider the little bitty extractor combined with the inherently dirty .22LR ammo as "the nature of the beast," but I look at the guy in the mirror to find the cause of that problem. If I keep it clean enough, I don't have the problem. From the reports on these and similar forums, it seems that the little pocket .22s might be more ammo sensitive than the bigger plinker-style pistols?

hogship
01-25-2013, 15:23
Both my boys started out with a Ruger MK II. The MK III is about the same with a few upgrades......this is where I'd look......

ooc

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781008/1425902/392973042.jpg

par4buffett
01-25-2013, 17:25
I would not recommend the Walther P22. I have 2. One semi-reliable, the other not reliable at ALL, with a variety of serious issues.

The new Ruger SR22 small automatic gets good reviews. I may sell my 2nd P22 to get one of these. Fun to shoot, small but no recoil, and low investment. Good step to move up to a 9mm once your daughter gets into the .22.

The venerable Ruger Mark III is a classic. I've always wanted one with a heavy 5.5" barrel. The Mark IIIis tried and true with a long production lineage.

CincyBrad
01-25-2013, 17:36
I have a Ruger Mark III target model. Been totally flawless, eats any ammo I put in it, including all bulk, and its ridiculously accurate. With ammo costs the last few years, I have been shooting it more and more, right now I have over 10k rounds through it, still runs like a champ.

The only downside, it's a disaster to breakdown. Even after you get the hang of it, it's still 50/50 if its going to be a ****** or not.

meathead19
01-25-2013, 17:50
My Bersa Firestorm is flawless with HV stuff.

10+1 rds of velocitor or stinger is no joke. As you can see, it's small enough for CC vs a 4" or 5" barrel. And the recoil is non existent due to the fixed barrel.

The_Gun_Guru
01-25-2013, 19:20
I would not recommend the Walther P22. I have 2. One semi-reliable, the other not reliable at ALL, with a variety of serious issues.

The new Ruger SR22 small automatic gets good reviews. I may sell my 2nd P22 to get one of these. Fun to shoot, small but no recoil, and low investment. Good step to move up to a 9mm once your daughter gets into the .22.

The venerable Ruger Mark III is a classic. I've always wanted one with a heavy 5.5" barrel. The Mark IIIis tried and true with a long production lineage.

Does the Ruger have a threaded barrel for a suppressor?


TGG

dougader
01-25-2013, 19:40
Does the Ruger have a threaded barrel for a suppressor?


TGG

These 2 models of the 22/45 have threaded barrels:

http://www.ruger.com/products/2245Lite/models.html

http://www.ruger.com/products/2245ThreadedBarrel/models.html

mojohanna
01-25-2013, 20:57
Does the Ruger have a threaded barrel for a suppressor?


TGG

yes, you can get it with a threaded barrel for a suppressor.
http://www.ruger.com/products/sr22Pistol/models.html

Why though, isn't it already pretty quiet in relative terms?

mojohanna
01-26-2013, 10:47
So I ended up going with the SR22. Hoping to get to the range with it tomorrow. 230737


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dougader
01-26-2013, 16:32
Dang, from what I've been reading on here it looks like I need to buy another 22. That SR 22 looks best.

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Unk
01-26-2013, 17:17
mojohanna, FYI Advantage Arms conversion for my 26 is a complete upper -slide, sights, recoil rod w/spring.

Its fun however the AA initial cost now probably more than your SR22.

No grand kids shooting my SR22 yet but I'm having fun.

Best.