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JDSTG58
01-19-2013, 18:19
So now with our 7 round limit in NY, what would you chose for carry? Stick with what you've carried before and an extra low cap mag? Go back to a revolver with speed loaders or moon clips? What would you chose?

I've carried a Glock 30 for years. Now I'm thinking I may go to a S&W 620 or 625.


And yes I know a bunch of you will suggest moving....... Not an option for many of us......

WT
01-19-2013, 18:24
S&W 3913, 3914, 3953, or 3954. Maybe the 3914DAO or 908.

They use a 7 round mag. They also come with an 8 round 'high capacity' mag.

Ruggles
01-19-2013, 18:32
God is intending for all of NY to go to his personal choice, the 1911. Accept it! :)

The_Gun_Guru
01-19-2013, 18:39
So now with our 7 round limit in NY, what would you chose for carry? Stick with what you've carried before and an extra low cap mag? Go back to a revolver with speed loaders or moon clips? What would you chose?



A U-Haul:wavey:




TGG:whistling:

faawrenchbndr
01-19-2013, 18:40
From what I understand,......you will only NBC able to use the high
capacity mags for a year. What are you going to do then?
I would suggest a 1911 CCO, seven rounds of proven 45acp!

barth
01-19-2013, 18:40
So now with our 7 round limit in NY, what would you chose for carry? Stick with what you've carried before and an extra low cap mag? Go back to a revolver with speed loaders or moon clips? What would you chose?

I've carried a Glock 30 for years. Now I'm thinking I may go to a S&W 620 or 625.


And yes I know a bunch of you will suggest moving....... Not an option for many of us......

My 1998 Classic factory nickel plated Sig Sauer P220 45 ACP
came from the factory with 7 round mags.
I'll never live in Communist NY.
But if I did this is what I would carry;
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/thumbnail/photo26/da/ae/b1f86eb16682__1326570082000.jpg?tw=0&th=720&s=true&rs=false
My Sig Sauer P239 357 Sig came with 7 round mags too...
Either one will kick ars and take names.
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/thumbnail/photo45/25/60/4e5bcab0a570__1342285831000.jpg?tw=0&th=720&s=true&rs=false

WT
01-19-2013, 18:42
Ruggles is correct. 1911 it is.

A Colt Commander would be nice.

JDSTG58
01-19-2013, 18:52
From what I understand,......you will only NBC able to use the high
capacity mags for a year. What are you going to do then?
I would suggest a 1911 CCO, seven rounds of proven 45acp!

As I understand it, my 10 round Glock 30 mags will still be legal, but only loaded to 7. I've been carrying a.45 for years. But I have been thinking 1911!

Texas-Glock
01-19-2013, 18:52
Glock 36

JDSTG58
01-19-2013, 19:01
How many rounds does the Colt delta 10 mm hold? It was on my list before all this nonsense.

I'm also thinking something in .44.

Harley6133
01-19-2013, 19:20
Desert Eagle in 50AE. Factory magazine holds 7 rounds

Redstate
01-19-2013, 19:25
Glock 36 that I have or the Citadel Compact 1911 (officer size) that has 7 round magazines. I don't have the Citadel yet; it is on layaway.

The_Gun_Guru
01-19-2013, 19:42
Walther PPS uses 7-round mags but the gun is NOT cheap at around $650.


TGG

KennyFSU
01-19-2013, 19:48
Kahr PM9.


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Line Rider
01-19-2013, 20:55
So now with our 7 round limit in NY, what would you chose for carry? Stick with what you've carried before and an extra low cap mag? Go back to a revolver with speed loaders or moon clips? What would you chose?

I've carried a Glock 30 for years. Now I'm thinking I may go to a S&W 620 or 625.


And yes I know a bunch of you will suggest moving....... Not an option for many of us......

Exactly why I live in the SOUTH!

I'd carry a Colt 1911 if seven rounds is all I could have.

RGbiker
01-19-2013, 21:52
If I was forced at gun point to move to New York.....

I would then own a G36, Springfield Armory XDs .45acp, anyone of the Kahr family of handguns, a 1911 with 7 round magazine, SIG P245, P220 or a S&W .38spl revolver.

Anyone of the above would fall within the 7 round magazine limit.

09crue
01-19-2013, 22:07
the new Springfield XDs will be coming out soon in 9mm, 7+1 capacity

http://youtu.be/5rqsK78EzkY

09crue
01-19-2013, 22:13
http://www.nysenate.gov/webform/stand-second-amendment-standing-new-york-state-senator-kathleen-marchione

t1tan
01-19-2013, 23:04
**** the unconstitutional bull**** and carry a full-cap handgun anyways, giving in just gives them the power they want.

09crue
01-19-2013, 23:33
**** the unconstitutional bull**** and carry a full-cap handgun anyways, giving in just gives them the power they want.
not only is 7 rounds the limit for your carry gun but also your home defense gun..can you imagine 2 or more intruders breaking into your home in the middle of the night and you have to say- excuse me while i make sure i only have 7 bullets in my gun..this is pure insanity going on in NYS!

t1tan
01-19-2013, 23:36
not only is 7 rounds the limit for your carry gun but also your home defense gun..can you imagine 2 or more intruders breaking into your home in the middle of the night and you have to say- excuse me while i make sure i only have 7 bullets in my gun..this is pure insanity going on in NYS!

Totally, I just can't see why anyone that values their life or choices as a free man would follow this just because they say so, ****ing ridiculous. People are so willing to just give in and comply it makes me sick.

Scrappy
01-19-2013, 23:39
Being that limited, go all out! They wont get up after getting hit with this!
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/19308/1110086-s_wmagnum500_1_super.jpg

Scrappy
01-19-2013, 23:41
Totally, I just can't see why anyone that values their life or choices as a free man would follow this just because they say so, ****ing ridiculous. People are so willing to just give in and comply it makes me sick.

That's the problem with most people, they give in ,crumble put there head down in defeat!

Bruce M
01-20-2013, 07:19
**** the unconstitutional bull**** and carry a full-cap handgun anyways, giving in just gives them the power they want.

Some people will "give in." Others will make a measured decision that becoming a criminal and risk going to jail or prison really isn't worth it when there are any of several perfectly acceptable handguns that will do a more than adequate job, including a 1911 which has been effective for a century, a J frame which was the standard for concealed or plainclothes carry for a couple decades, or some more modern additions, including a Shield.

faawrenchbndr
01-20-2013, 07:56
As I understand it, my 10 round Glock 30 mags will still be legal, but only loaded to 7. I've been carrying a.45 for years. But I have been thinking 1911!

Only for the 1st year,.......then they will be considered illegal

ADK_40GLKr
01-20-2013, 08:04
If anyone wants the FACTS instead of hysteria, go here: http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq

How hard will it be, come 4/15 to load 7 rounds in a 10, 9, or 8 round mag?

Then, according to this, you can still load 10 at the range or gun club.

JGlockman
01-20-2013, 08:11
If anyone wants the FACTS instead of hysteria, go here: http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq

How hard will it be, come 4/15 to load 7 rounds in a 10, 9, or 8 round mag?

Then, according to this, you can still load 10 at the range or gun club.

I don't think it's a matter of difficulty loading a 10 round mag with 7. It's a matter of the bad guy will not be observing the new law. The law abiding citizens are now effectively at a severe disadvantage if ever engaged in a defensive shooting.

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GlockinNJ
01-20-2013, 08:12
If anyone wants the FACTS instead of hysteria, go here: http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq

How hard will it be, come 4/15 to load 7 rounds in a 10, 9, or 8 round mag?

Then, according to this, you can still load 10 at the range or gun club.


Great link, thanks.

Beretta92guy
01-20-2013, 09:07
the governor of your idiotic, backward, ******-bag state should have polled the thugs to see what gun THEY are going to carry after he signed that law:

Thugs: "whatever i damn well please, F you and your laws"

Law-Abiding-Citizens of ******-bag NY: "how about i just use harsh language against an armed criminal"......

HKLovingIT
01-20-2013, 09:24
Carry two guns. You guys invented the NY reload.

Some that come to mind:

PPS
Shield
Nano
Various Kahr models
Sig P239 in .357 Sig or .40
XDs 9mm or .45
Sig 938
Sig 290
Sig 220
Ye ole 1911
Ruger LC 9
Glock 36
Glock 39
Some of the single stack 3rd gen Smith's
Revolvers (2 of em)

:dunno:

t1tan
01-20-2013, 09:27
Some people will "give in." Others will make a measured decision that becoming a criminal and risk going to jail or prison really isn't worth it when there are any of several perfectly acceptable handguns that will do a more than adequate job, including a 1911 which has been effective for a century, a J frame which was the standard for concealed or plainclothes carry for a couple decades, or some more modern additions, including a Shield.

And where does it end? How many compromises are people going to keep making in order to comply? Effective or not, J frame, 1911, etc, it's about being free to make your own decisions. Putting limits and restrictions on rights, doesn't make it much of a right at all.


First it was "why full-auto?", now "why semi-auto"
"Why do you NEED a gun?", "what are you afraid of?", "why are you so paranoid"
"Why do you need X rounds?", "why do you need more than 10 rounds", now "why do you need more than 7 rounds?"

What's next? Need has nothing to do with the choices of a free citizen and their rights. Complying with these regulations is asinine, when the next shooting happens, they'll only regulate further, is the answer to comply then as well?

Short Cut
01-20-2013, 09:33
I'd go with my lightweight commander.

Les Baer Concept X

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh67/JMB1911/Guns/BConceptXsm2.jpg

HKLovingIT
01-20-2013, 09:35
If anyone wants the FACTS instead of hysteria, go here: http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq

How hard will it be, come 4/15 to load 7 rounds in a 10, 9, or 8 round mag?

Then, according to this, you can still load 10 at the range or gun club.


Nevermind, I read the thang wrong.

ithaca_deerslayer
01-20-2013, 09:38
If I was forced at gun point to move to New York.....

I would then own a G36, Springfield Armory XDs .45acp, anyone of the Kahr family of handguns, a 1911 with 7 round magazine, SIG P245, P220 or a S&W .38spl revolver.

Anyone of the above would fall within the 7 round magazine limit.

That's a good list.

For those in NYS, like me, you can keep what you already have and downliad to 7+1. 11+ mags are supposed to go or be modified.

Is my Glock 26 at 7+1 still a good choice? A Glock 27 is a better choice, and the Glock 36 may be the best choice.

Kahr P9 and CW9 are fantastic choices. Along with the smaller PM9 and CM9. Also the .40 and .45 flavor of those guns. Similar choices are the Ruger LC9, S&W Shield, and Beretta Nano.

Sunubby revolvers look even better than they used to. The medium frame revolvers also make more sense now. When talking a limit of 7-round mags, the gap between revolver and semi-auto has narrowed quite a bit. But the semi-auto is still quicker to reload for most people.

The 1911, in .45, .40, and 9, has a bigger appeal now. Stupid that my wife's EMP9 has to be downloaded by 2 rounds.

That brings us to one of the worst parts of this new law. A new shooter can't even go out and buy a 9mm 1911 style Springfield EMP now, but its single stack mags hold 9 rounds! If you already own it, you can keep it and the mags. But if you need a new mag for it, you can't buy one.

The 7 round limit is really a draconian crusher. Guns you have can't get replacement parts and can't be sold instate. And the list of legal new guns to buy has been more than cut in half. Probably 75% of the guns have been made illegal to buy in NYS.

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MajorD
01-20-2013, 10:44
Hk you are wrong 10 rounders are grandfathered you may keep 10 rounders but other than at a range can only load 7 after the April date. You will not have to give up or modify your existing ten rounders to hold 7. After the date the only mags allowed into ny except curio and relics need to be 7 or less.
At that point I figure my wheel guns are going to get a lot of carry wear. Can't see the point of carrying a 9 with 8 rounds in it versus a six shooter

Outer Rondacker
01-20-2013, 10:56
Desert Eagle in 50AE. Factory magazine holds 7 rounds
Make sure you keep in mind the 50 ounce limit on hand guns. So D eagle comes in at 70 empty. So a no go.

G23Gen4TX
01-20-2013, 10:56
What a stupid, stupid law.

holesinpaper
01-20-2013, 10:57
Revolver FTW:

leave no casings behind.

HKLovingIT
01-20-2013, 10:59
Hk you are wrong 10 rounders are grandfathered you may keep 10 rounders but other than at a range can only load 7 after the April date. You will not have to give up or modify your existing ten rounders to hold 7. After the date the only mags allowed into ny except curio and relics need to be 7 or less.
At that point I figure my wheel guns are going to get a lot of carry wear. Can't see the point of carrying a 9 with 8 rounds in it versus a six shooter

Oops my bad - I read that wrong. I missed that it said more than ten rounds in the FAQ.

LuckyNemo
01-20-2013, 11:31
Glock 36 and kahr pm9

Reswob
01-20-2013, 11:38
What every NYer needs to do is exercise their right to carry themselves and their tax dollars right out of that god forsaken place.

ADK_40GLKr
01-20-2013, 13:06
I don't think it's a matter of difficulty loading a 10 round mag with 7. It's a matter of the bad guy will not be observing the new law. The law abiding citizens are now effectively at a severe disadvantage if ever engaged in a defensive shooting.

All the more reason to TRAIN & PRACTICE:
- to make every shot count
- to do quick reloads

If the BG let's you get to your 8th round, he'll probably give you time to reload as well.

ADK_40GLKr
01-20-2013, 13:17
DARN!

Posted it twice!

Boats
01-20-2013, 13:48
When fewer rounds are allowed, you gotta go for bigger.:supergrin:

http://www.instructables.com/files/deriv/F68/37ML/FM2CT08V/F6837MLFM2CT08V.MEDIUM.jpg

CDW4ME
01-20-2013, 14:00
Might as well have 7 big bullets, some version of a 1911 in 45 acp.
With ammo being restricted, if HP not available, or proven HP not available, 45 FMJ better than < 45

And that law sucks.

jdeere_man
01-20-2013, 14:36
There are a lot of good ccw weapons that comply with the 7 round limit and a lot have been mentioned. Not that I approve the law or am in favor of it. The worst effect this law has is home defense.

Let me propose this. The law addresses "magazines". What if a revolver held 10 rounds? would it be legal? I know Smith makes a 22lr in 10 round model. The 357mag come in up to 8 shot (as far as I know). I wonder if you could take a cylinder that size and get 10 shots of 327 federal magnum in there?

Kalmah
01-20-2013, 15:20
If I understand the law correctly, a person can have up to a ten round magazine, but can't have any more than 7 rounds in that magazine. So is carrying in a 7+1 configuration OK?

As far as carry pieces go, any of the Kahr pistols would work just fine. That's what I carry now and I'm not even under a magazine restriction... yet.

JDSTG58
01-20-2013, 15:32
There are a lot of good ccw weapons that comply with the 7 round limit and a lot have been mentioned. Not that I approve the law or am in favor of it. The worst effect this law has is home defense.

Let me propose this. The law addresses "magazines". What if a revolver held 10 rounds? would it be legal? I know Smith makes a 22lr in 10 round model. The 357mag come in up to 8 shot (as far as I know). I wonder if you could take a cylinder that size and get 10 shots of 327 federal magnum in there?


From my reading it looks like revolvers do not have a capacity limit.

JDSTG58
01-20-2013, 15:37
Well maybe someone will come out with a modern version of this.....
http://www.horstheld.com/0-HDH.htm


20 shot revolver.....

Bruce M
01-20-2013, 15:42
..., it's about being free to make your own decisions. Putting limits and restrictions on rights, doesn't make it much of a right at all.

... Complying with these regulations is asinine, ...?

You are free to choose to not comply. Then it is merely a risk vs. reward situation.

ithaca_deerslayer
01-20-2013, 16:12
Only for the 1st year,.......then they will be considered illegal

No, the 10-rounders are ok to keep. Just can't put than 7 bullets in them. As if that makes sense :)

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JDSTG58
01-20-2013, 16:48
This law just sucks.....

I have a Beretta 92 that I bought pre 1994. I also bought mags for it then. Now all I have is pre ban 15 rounders for it, and now I can't even buy reduced mags for it. This makes the gun a single shot.

faawrenchbndr
01-20-2013, 17:02
No, the 10-rounders are ok to keep. Just can't put than 7 bullets in them. As if that makes sense :)

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Take a look at the law! Those hi-caps are only good until 15 Jan 2014.
After that date,.......they are illegal in NY!

READ THE LAWS GUYS!!!!!

You can permanently modify the magazine so that it holds no more than ten rounds, responsibly discard it, or sell it to a dealer or an out of state purchaser by January 15, 2014.

http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq

DrtyHarry
01-20-2013, 17:06
I guess I would carry something like this if I was a New Yorker...lol

http://helablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/taurus_28_hand_shotgun_1.jpg



DH

ithaca_deerslayer
01-20-2013, 17:10
Take a look at the law! Those hi-caps are only good until 15 Jan 2014.
After that date,.......they are illegal in NY!

READ THE LAWS GUYS!!!!!



http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq

I've read the laws.

As I said above, the 11+ have to be gotten rid of, but the 10-rounders can be kept forever (unless they decide to change the law again a couple years from now).

Please point to why you think the 10-rounders will have to go. This is important stuff, so I don't want to miss anything :)

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Stonewall308
01-20-2013, 17:33
Don't even worry about it. By the time Cuomo gets done, you won't be able to carry anyway.

Scrappy
01-20-2013, 17:58
Don't even worry about it. By the time Cuomo gets done, you won't be able to carry anyway.
I didn't think most anyone can carry in NY anyway. So that wont change,

Ruggles
01-20-2013, 18:13
I guess I would carry something like this if I was a New Yorker...lol

http://helablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/taurus_28_hand_shotgun_1.jpg



DH

A pair of em!

Whatever happened to that beast, I think I remember the Govt putting the hammer down on it right? :dunno:

JimBean
01-20-2013, 18:13
I've read the laws.
As I said above, the 11+ have to be gotten rid of, but the 10-rounders can be kept forever (unless they decide to change the law again a couple years from now).



The next time a school shooting occurs in NY or nearby the next NY ban will probably require getting rid of those excessive 10 round magazines that are currently grandfathered. Be prepared to see "3 is enough."
You can keep the 7 round mags but can't load more than 3 rounds in them.

JDSTG58
01-20-2013, 18:17
I didn't think most anyone can carry in NY anyway. So that wont change,

That's just NYC.... Outside the city there is hundreds of thousands of us with full carry.

Scrappy
01-20-2013, 18:21
That's just NYC.... Outside the city there is hundreds of thousands of us with full carry.

Yes , was thinking of the city where you would need it most, lol.

Ruggles
01-20-2013, 18:32
NYC....

I think John Carpenter was a visionary in regards to NYC...

Fireman1291
01-20-2013, 18:59
Easy. Use 15rd mags instead of the 10rd mags your using now. If you get arrested take it all the way to the SCOTUS! It's time law abiding Americans take a stand to these limp wristed head in the sand no good pieces of ****!

Bullman
01-20-2013, 19:05
Revolver FTW:

leave no casings behind.

What happens when you get caught packing a S&W 627 Pro 8 shot .357? Gotta carry it with an empty under the hammer I guess.:tongueout:

#5xbr
01-20-2013, 20:01
carry 2 10 rd magazines and 1 empty!

Ruggles
01-20-2013, 20:06
What happens when you get caught packing a S&W 627 Pro 8 shot .357? Gotta carry it with an empty under the hammer I guess.:tongueout:

How does the law read? If it say magazine then I guess the cylinder of the revolver would not be illegal? :dunno:

Gray_Rider
01-20-2013, 20:06
I don't think it's a matter of difficulty loading a 10 round mag with 7. It's a matter of the bad guy will not be observing the new law. The law abiding citizens are now effectively at a severe disadvantage if ever engaged in a defensive shooting

Which is the whole idea behind gun control to start with, especially in the PRNY from the begining. Their draconian Stalinist Sullivan Act was to protect the criminals who were complaining to city government about armed citizens.

How such foolery gets voted in for so long is unimaginable to me but the vast majority of the people in the world cannot live w/o someone's boot heel firmly implanted on their necks and their faces in the muck.:dunno::faint:

Like others, I will not spend a dime or vacation in ANY state that is known as a people's republic. EVER.

My condolences to everyone stuck there for whatever reason. Many have stated how they love their state's scenery, mountains, snowmobiling, etc. I myself would not live there if I was given a place to live and I lived tax free.

I despise how a certain group, drunk with power, has destroyed so much freedom in our counry, yet still have the audacity to wave their flags and sing the national anthem. They are traitors, and those who vote for them are traitors.

May hell be paid.

Gray_Rider

Gray_Rider
01-20-2013, 20:21
No, the 10-rounders are ok to keep. Just can't put than 7 bullets in them. As if that makes sense.

They are NY Nazis and commie libs. You surely didn't expect them to make sense did you? They want you helpless and dependent. Just like their forefathers were in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.

"Liberalisim is a mental disorder."

M. Savage.

I myself believe liberalisim to be satanic blindness, but the end result is the same. The innocent will suffer, and the guilty will be rewarded and set free.....for now.

Gray_Rider

Gray_Rider
01-20-2013, 20:24
"Sunday's coming!"
Dr. Jack Hyles

Gray_Rider

WarEagle32
01-20-2013, 20:29
I would carry a Glock 36 without a doubt!!

ithaca_deerslayer
01-20-2013, 20:34
What happens when you get caught packing a S&W 627 Pro 8 shot .357? Gotta carry it with an empty under the hammer I guess.:tongueout:

I haven't seen any lawyer or official information about that question, so I'm not sure if anyone knows.

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clancy
01-20-2013, 20:41
Easy. Use 15rd mags instead of the 10rd mags your using now. If you get arrested take it all the way to the SCOTUS! It's time law abiding Americans take a stand to these limp wristed head in the sand no good pieces of ****!

I know a guy who was arrested with a 30 round mag for his AK. He was convicted and is doing jail time for it. It doesn't have to go to the Supreme Court. I don't think they would even consider it.

Outer Rondacker
01-20-2013, 20:45
I live in NY its just bull. Everywhere you go little old ladys are pissed about this gun law. I mean it. They are just not telling the side of the gun owners very well. All you keep hearing is the poor children. Well obummer gets THOUSANDS of guards today to protect him being swarn in. THOUSANDS. Your kids cant get one. And NY is safer with less guns and less bullets in clips. All I can say is you would not drive accross the world to see the wonders and sit in your car. That said I am thinking of trading off my 37 for a 39.

JTSmith
01-20-2013, 20:46
So now with our 7 round limit in NY, what would you chose for carry? Stick with what you've carried before and an extra low cap mag? Go back to a revolver with speed loaders or moon clips? What would you chose?

I've carried a Glock 30 for years. Now I'm thinking I may go to a S&W 620 or 625.


And yes I know a bunch of you will suggest moving....... Not an option for many of us......

Option 2: Don't be a sissy.

JimBean
01-20-2013, 20:55
I know a guy who was arrested with a 30 round mag for his AK. He was convicted and is doing jail time for it. It doesn't have to go to the Supreme Court. I don't think they would even consider it.

Somehow I was under the impression that NY had allowed mags as large as 30 rounds to be grandfathered in the past. Did he get charged with owning a nongrandfathered mag?
This would make me wonder how they would know for sure if it was grandfathered or not since there is no date stamping on surplus mags like he is charged with. A tapco mag sure it would be pretty obvious but a surplus mag no way to tell since most of them were made before 1994.

clancy
01-20-2013, 21:06
Somehow I was under the impression that NY had allowed mags as large as 30 rounds to be grandfathered in the past. Did he get charged with owning a nongrandfathered mag?
This would make me wonder how they would know for sure if it was grandfathered or not since there is no date stamping on surplus mags like he is charged with. A tapco mag sure it would be pretty obvious but a surplus mag no way to tell since most of them were made before 1994.

That I can't answer. Google the Middletown Record, it is in it's archives, maybe 6-8 months ago, in the town of Monticello, NY.

Bullman
01-20-2013, 21:17
How does the law read? If it say magazine then I guess the cylinder of the revolver would not be illegal? :dunno:

Maybe the way to get around the 7 round law and carry "high capacity:supergrin:

JimBean
01-20-2013, 21:23
That I can't answer. Google the Middletown Record, it is in it's archives, maybe 6-8 months ago, in the town of Monticello, NY.


found it and it does not say either way
http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120315/NEWS/120319840&cid=sitesearch
Published: 9:54 AM - 03/15/12
Last updated: 10:00 AM - 03/15/12
MONTICELLO - Police recovered an assault rifle and illegal magazines and charged a Monticello man with two felonies after responding Tuesday to a shots fired call off Park Avenue in the village.
Elliot Hernandez, 35, was charged with two counts of felony possession of a weapon, after police found him and two other men around 5:45 p.m. in a fenced property belonging to the water department. People had reported hearing several shots fired in the area.
Police recovered a .30 caliber semi-automatic assault weapon with a pistol grip, collapsing stock and a 10-round detachable magazine. It met the criteria for an illegal assault weapon, Acting Chief Mark Johnstone said. Police also recovered a second rifle with two illegal 30-round large capacity magazines chambered for .308 caliber bullets. Hernandez, Tieri Gilmore, 30, and Miguel Custodio, 28, were all charged with misdemeanor criminal trespass.
Hernandez was also charged with a violation in the discharge of a weapon. He was taken to the Sullivan County Jail on $3,000 cash bail.

Kalmah
01-20-2013, 21:24
NYC....

I think John Carpenter was a visionary in regards to NYC...


http://littleguurrl.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/snake-plissken.jpeg

HKLovingIT
01-20-2013, 21:35
http://littleguurrl.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/snake-plissken.jpeg

Hopefully he was abiding by the seven round limit but I think not.

wmspdi
01-20-2013, 22:05
If all I could carry was 7+1 the choice would be easy. A full size or semi-compact 1911 (possible alloy frame) with 3 seven round magazines in .45 ACP.

The only real "advantage" to 9mm or 40 S&W is increased magazine capacity. When you remove that advantage it's time to go big (45) or go home. A glock single stack works too for those not wanting (or allowed) to carry cocked and locked.

A revolver is a little too slow to reload under stress but makes an excellent NY reload.

DrtyHarry
01-20-2013, 22:08
A pair of em!

Whatever happened to that beast, I think I remember the Govt putting the hammer down on it right? :dunno:

To be honest, I'm not 100% sure how it was left. I think the BATFE called it at first an SBS than left it as a AOW. Not sure...but I don't think it meets the requirements to be a SBS. Now I'm curious....




DH

Wurger
01-20-2013, 23:30
So now with our 7 round limit in NY, what would you chose for carry? Stick with what you've carried before and an extra low cap mag? Go back to a revolver with speed loaders or moon clips? What would you chose?

I've carried a Glock 30 for years. Now I'm thinking I may go to a S&W 620 or 625.


And yes I know a bunch of you will suggest moving....... Not an option for many of us......

That's easy. Seven rounds then a slow reload!

Its history fits our current political climate as well. :whistling:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwzano5NJ9bdke8JC5xCjQTbmpVbAeWHbpQhmlqrnJXJ6VTa-D

JDSTG58
01-20-2013, 23:50
That's easy. Seven rounds then a slow reload!

Its history fits our current political climate as well. :whistling:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwzano5NJ9bdke8JC5xCjQTbmpVbAeWHbpQhmlqrnJXJ6VTa-D

That's pretty funny. I do have a collection fo Commie guns....

ADK_40GLKr
01-21-2013, 08:02
Just like their forefathers were in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.

"Liberalisim is a mental disorder."

M. Savage.

Gray_Rider

Hitler was a socialist?

xy9142
01-21-2013, 08:56
Glock 36 or Kahr PM9.


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brisk21
01-21-2013, 09:03
So, do you have to download 8 shot revolvers to?

JDSTG58
01-21-2013, 09:52
Hitler was a socialist?

The Nazi Party was the National Socialist German Workers' Party......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party


“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” - Adolph Hitler, 1935, on The Weapons Act of Nazi Germany

“Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority. Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew’s possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation. Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions will be punished with imprisonment and a fine.” - Nazi Law (Regulations Against Jews’ Possession of Weapons), 1938

JDSTG58
01-21-2013, 10:09
“It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine (1737-1809), American Revolutionary, US Founding Father and Author


“When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President

ithaca_deerslayer
01-21-2013, 10:11
So, do you have to download 8 shot revolvers to?

No one knows.

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CBennett
01-21-2013, 10:16
Just move out of that GD state...I did purposely(well one of the top 2 reasons) because of their crap laws and crap taxes. I moved 1 state down and its all good at least so far. Have open carry(its even open carry no permit needed), CC, Castle Doctrine/law, less taxes...if the same thing happened here in PA id also move OUT of this state and find one that actually is 2A friendly.. 2A does not "rule" my life but the ability to protect my family and myself IS way,way up on the list.

CBennett
01-21-2013, 10:18
So, do you have to download 8 shot revolvers to?

gotta carry them like the old west...1 chamber empty lol what s POS state and I was born and raised in that state and lived there for 23 years till I wised up and moved OUT.

CBennett
01-21-2013, 10:21
I honestly HAVE been following this thread though as even though I dont live in NY(Western NY about a hour south of Buffalo to be more specific) any more I still regularly TRAVEL AND VISIT there as my whole family and Wifes whole family and all out friends still live in NYS...And I always CC when I go from PA to NY so I like to see what im gonna have to CC next time I go up..im guessing either my Taurus CH85 Snubby OR I guess I could use the Ruger SR9c with the 10 rounder downloaded to 7 from what ive read...

possum_128
01-21-2013, 10:29
So now with our 7 round limit in NY, what would you chose for carry? Stick with what you've carried before and an extra low cap mag? Go back to a revolver with speed loaders or moon clips? What would you chose?

I've carried a Glock 30 for years. Now I'm thinking I may go to a S&W 620 or 625.


And yes I know a bunch of you will suggest moving....... Not an option for many of us......

I know what I would choose to carry.......my ass clean out of that commie state.

cfrye11
01-21-2013, 10:39
Once the law goes in to effect you will only be allowed more then 7 rounds in a mag at a shooting range that is holding an NRA sanctioned event.

http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq

molan labe

seamaster
01-21-2013, 11:59
This new law is equally stupid and ineffective as this.....In the interest of public safety you will be allowed to have 10 beers in your fridge but you are only allowed to drink 7 of them.

We have the same level of stupidity here in California. Fire all the politicians and start over!

ithaca_deerslayer
01-21-2013, 14:26
I honestly HAVE been following this thread though as even though I dont live in NY(Western NY about a hour south of Buffalo to be more specific) any more I still regularly TRAVEL AND VISIT there as my whole family and Wifes whole family and all out friends still live in NYS...And I always CC when I go from PA to NY so I like to see what im gonna have to CC next time I go up..im guessing either my Taurus CH85 Snubby OR I guess I could use the Ruger SR9c with the 10 rounder downloaded to 7 from what ive read...

You might not want to answer, and I probably misread your post to begin with, but how do you carry in NY if you no longer live in NY?

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CBennett
01-21-2013, 14:33
you might not want to answer, and i probably misread your post to begin with, but how do you carry in ny if you no longer live in ny?

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leosa

ithaca_deerslayer
01-21-2013, 15:00
leosa

I'd consider PA if I could carry in NY. As it is, by living in NY, I can carry in PA with my out of state permit :)

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Ruggles
01-21-2013, 18:31
I would think (and i could very well be wrong) that revolvers might not be included in this mess because they do not have a magazine?

If so I wonder what company could produce a 10 round .357 or .38. I would bet S&W could come up with something.

Bullman
01-21-2013, 21:43
Might be able to do that on an X frame, but man that would be a hoss to carry around.

Deaf Smith
01-21-2013, 21:49
Don't you guys see it does not matter if it's a 10 round or 7 round or six round limit?

The concept IS they can limit. If they make it a 7 round limit and ONE NUTJOB uses a pair of seven shooters and some spare mags to do the same carnage, well then they will say 'if it saves one life' and vola, a 6 round limit. Then a five round limit, then... well like the U.K. they will keep going till only single shots kept at the local gun club are all you have. Won't matter that the gangs still get them (and without the pesky 7 shot mags to.)

It's called incrementalization. Bit by bit over the years. All done with fancy talk. Nudge here, push there, all with the view of the goal.

But for conversation's sake, I'd just get a pair of guns like Sig 239s in .357 Sig or .40 S&W or 1911s in 45 (like the Commander sized 1911s from Rock Island. Actually I find them pretty good guns.)

But again, sooner or later it will become a 6 shot limit. That is just how they work. Heck man, Social Security was supposed to be only paid by 'rich' people's taxes. Now wasn't that a gas? Year after year they changed the law to lower the limit.

But don't get mad, Ponzi schemes are just what politicians love, and using incrementalization they can keep it going for centuries.

Sleep tight.

Deaf

Ruggles
01-21-2013, 21:54
Might be able to do that on an X frame, but man that would be a hoss to carry around.

No kidding, that would be a heck of a sight though :)

deguelo
01-22-2013, 22:12
once again, we in ny are justifiably the subject of national scorn and ridicule. i think the last time was due to elliot spitzer's uh..... 'indiscretions'

it seems easy for certain fortunate residents of free states to presumptuously suggest that we ny subjects pick up and move from this 2nd amendment forsaken hell hole. i admit, all things being equal, no gun lovin' person would choose to live here.

all things are never equal, though. career, wife's career, family, and kids in school are some of my un-equalizers. my next clear chance to gtfo will be upon my retirement, and i resolve to take advantage of it. anyway, spare us the unsolicited advice......

i'm also amused by non-residents who are inclined to offer new yorkers up to the legal system. to them, i suggest they visit nyc and open carry a g17 with a post ban 17 rounder in time square. manfully stride up to the first nypd you see and say 'make my day'. i'll contribute to your legal defense fund...

if you're unwilling to do so, again, spare us.

if this excrable law remains in effect, i'll grit my teeth and carry my dw cco, sw 386 night guard, pm9, or sw 340 m&p until i can emigrate to free america.

best to all-- deguelo

The Fed
01-23-2013, 11:42
Desert Eagle in 50AE. Factory magazine holds 7 rounds

Are they now banned because of their weight?

I Shooter
01-23-2013, 11:48
I would say a Glock 36 or most revolvers.

olderguy
01-24-2013, 16:43
Hoping that Sig revives the 7 round magazine for the P220.

I have spent my adult life in rural NH and very upstate NY. Born in NYC. The cultural disconnect between rural NYers and the downstate urban areas is astounding and disturbing. But, it is also very typical of the rest of the country. Our governor, who's family is a trailer park version of the Kennedy's, made a very cynical legislative move to enhance his chances on the national stage in 2016. Downstate Democrats are bright enough to understand that this law will have little practical effect on urban gun violence, which is driven, in large part, by an ever growing drug culture. Rather than deal with root personal behavior issues, they hammered us "gun nuts", congratulated themselves for their courage in doing so, and will now move on to legislating some other simplistic solution to other critical issues.

spcwes
01-24-2013, 17:58
A S&W N frame of some sort, maybe one of the 7 shot 357mags or a 44 mag with light loaded mag rounds or hot 44 spl rounds. Keep the barrel length down to 4" or 3.75". Would also consider a 45 Colt or M25 in 45 ACP. If I had to only carry those I would be perfectly fine with them. I am sorry you guys/gals are having to deal with this, very sorry. I wish the best for you all.

sgtbones
01-24-2013, 18:39
As I understand it, my 10 round Glock 30 mags will still be legal, but only loaded to 7. I've been carrying a.45 for years. But I have been thinking 1911!

you are correct.

deguelo
01-24-2013, 19:39
Hoping that Sig revives the 7 round magazine for the P220.

I have spent my adult life in rural NH and very upstate NY. Born in NYC. The cultural disconnect between rural NYers and the downstate urban areas is astounding and disturbing. But, it is also very typical of the rest of the country. Our governor, who's family is a trailer park version of the Kennedy's, made a very cynical legislative move to enhance his chances on the national stage in 2016. Downstate Democrats are bright enough to understand that this law will have little practical effect on urban gun violence, which is driven, in large part, by an ever growing drug culture. Rather than deal with root personal behavior issues, they hammered us "gun nuts", congratulated themselves for their courage in doing so, and will now move on to legislating some other simplistic solution to other critical issues.

well said, sir. regards-- deguelo

Narkcop
01-24-2013, 20:16
S&W 3913,Kahr PM9,S&W J frame or a 1911 are all very adequate for home or personal carry self defense. Heck I ALWAYS carry something small and concealable when off duty or buying dope at work and it's usually a S&W BG .380 or a Sig P238 loaded with Hornady CD rounds or Buffalo Bore.

clarson_75
01-24-2013, 21:09
do spare mags have to be CC as well. CC a 36 and get the largest mag carrier you can get. fill it up with 10 rnd mags loaded to 7. just a thought. better yet throw 10-15 mags in a fanny pack.

Saberman
01-24-2013, 22:00
Commander size 1911 Bobtail.

Billy10mm
01-25-2013, 10:17
How many rounds does the Colt delta 10 mm hold? It was on my list before all this nonsense.

I'm also thinking something in .44.

I'm not sure about the supplied magazines with the Delta-Elite, but my 10mm 1911 is fed by Wilson Combat ETM mags (regular .45ACP mags) and they hold 9 rounds of 10mm

45ACP height = (8 * .45) = 3.6"
10mm height = (9 * .40) = 3.6"

This is my everyday carry weapon and this combo will remain on my side for years to come, I'll just be loading them with a couple less rounds.

Giving up those two rounds is worth it given how much safer I feel now that the men in-the-know have put a stop to all this high-capacity madness. :faint:

unit1069
01-25-2013, 11:31
The only options are 7-round capacity (or less) CCW handguns, with the certain option of getting everyone to the polls the next election to ensure that Andrew Cuomo's political career is ended for good. New York voters surely can't miss all the signs that this snarling, nasty, vicious megalomaniac is a Hitler-in-Waiting.

chrisbroz
01-29-2013, 12:07
GTFO!!! Move to a free state - like FL (my state - I'm a political refugee from next door - the PDRNJ) or TX or AZ - my favorite - if I was younger and starting out - I'd go to AZ - open carry there - most Free States are south of the Mason-Dixon line - onliest one I know of NORTH of that line is Maine - you get used to the heat eventually and you'll find the folks in this part of the country are much more 'friendly' than they were 'up nawth' - I certainly discovered THAT - first in the Army, then after I moved here in '79. In FL all you need to purchase ANY weapon (except Title II/ClassIII) is your DL - a CCW allows you to take it home immediately....No more "Please, Mr Policeman, may I buy a firearm???" crap.

CB in FL...Either THAT or buy a G36 or a 1911...carry MANY spare mags.

AlaJack
01-29-2013, 13:45
Easy.. Carry a full capacity magazine of your choice, and simply take out any leftover rounds after using it, if you ever have to do so.

WT
01-29-2013, 14:07
Sorry Chris, can't agree. PSL to too dang crowded these days, just like the northeast. Move up 'nawth' to Vero.

chrisbroz
01-29-2013, 14:23
Wasn't necessarily sayin' move to PSL...just to FL, TX, AZ, WY, ID, MO, NV or some other gun-owner friendly states...with 50 states and (for now) the freedom to move about, no one is stuck in a state ON-friendly to us gun owners...I got lucky in 1972 when I met a bud in the Army who became a 'brother from another mother'; he invited me down in '79 and I'm happy to have made the change - especially when I was young enough to do so (age 30); I've got a huge collection which never would've been allowed in the PDRNJ.

CB in FL - over the last 33 years I've moved further & further nawth - from Ft Lauderdale to WPB to PSL.

hunter won
02-19-2013, 11:19
The Kahr PM9 makes an excellent carry weapon here in NY and anywhere else. More people who are allowed to carry concealed in NY are buying guns that are compact and less than 10 rounds. April 15 2013 is when the law prevents the purchase of a firearm with more than 7 round magazines. If you purchased 10 round magazines prior to April 15 you may only load 7 rounds.

Will Beararms
02-19-2013, 11:54
Options? TX, LA, MS, TN, AR, AZ, OK, MO, FL, GA, etc.

Gray_Rider
02-28-2013, 02:01
once again, we in ny are justifiably the subject of national scorn and ridicule. i think the last time was due to elliot spitzer's uh..... 'indiscretions'

it seems easy for certain fortunate residents of free states to presumptuously suggest that we ny subjects pick up and move from this 2nd amendment forsaken hell hole. i admit, all things being equal, no gun lovin' person would choose to live here.

all things are never equal, though. career, wife's career, family, and kids in school are some of my un-equalizers. my next clear chance to gtfo will be upon my retirement, and i resolve to take advantage of it. anyway, spare us the unsolicited advice......

i'm also amused by non-residents who are inclined to offer new yorkers up to the legal system. to them, i suggest they visit nyc and open carry a g17 with a post ban 17 rounder in time square. manfully stride up to the first nypd you see and say 'make my day'. i'll contribute to your legal defense fund...

if you're unwilling to do so, again, spare us.

if this excrable law remains in effect, i'll grit my teeth and carry my dw cco, sw 386 night guard, pm9, or sw 340 m&p until i can emigrate to free america.

best to all-- deguelo


God bless sir. My condolences to all gun owners in the P.R.N.Y. You are correct. It is not always easy to move away from everything or for that matter possible.

Sad that so many can't live with the above mentioned hobnailed boot on their necks, but in the words of Dr. Oliver B. Greene, "That's sad, but that's so!"

Gray_Rider

Gray_Rider
02-28-2013, 04:02
Another thing that bothers me is the myopic gunowners (that as with the previous assault weapons ban) marched with Sarah and the Brady Bunch saying "No one needs a 30 round clip!! Nobody needs a pistol that holds 17 bullets in the clip!!" These idjits never seem to grasp THEY WANT ALL THE GUNS!!! Throwing them bones always makes them hungry for more. We 'compromise' and give up this right or that firearm. THEY GIVE UP NOTHING!!!
How can gunowners be so stupid!!?? The antis will never ever stop coming and they won't be happy till you can't have a picture of a gun as they are with their moronic Zero Tolerance rules that always come down to a total lack of common sense.

WTHU people! Stop giving them anything. What are they giving us but a little more time and a lot less space to manuver? Then they are back for the next little snippet and the next! Like the greek god that was always hungry and sucked in anything it could devour. They want them all! How many times must they say it before it sinks in??

Gray_Rider

Bren
02-28-2013, 05:51
So now with our 7 round limit in NY, what would you chose for carry? Stick with what you've carried before and an extra low cap mag? Go back to a revolver with speed loaders or moon clips? What would you chose?

I've carried a Glock 30 for years. Now I'm thinking I may go to a S&W 620 or 625.


And yes I know a bunch of you will suggest moving....... Not an option for many of us......

You could always carry 2 revolvers - maybe there's a reason they call that a "New York reload" now.:whistling:

ithaca_deerslayer
02-28-2013, 06:28
Another thing that bothers me is the myopic gunowners (that as with the previous assault weapons ban) marched with Sarah and the Brady Bunch saying "No one needs a 30 round clip!! Nobody needs a pistol that holds 17 bullets in the clip!!" These idjits never seem to grasp THEY WANT ALL THE GUNS!!! Throwing them bones always makes them hungry for more. We 'compromise' and give up this right or that firearm. THEY GIVE UP NOTHING!!!
How can gunowners be so stupid!!?? The antis will never ever stop coming and they won't be happy till you can't have a picture of a gun as they are with their moronic Zero Tolerance rules that always come down to a total lack of common sense.

WTHU people! Stop giving them anything. What are they giving us but a little more time and a lot less space to manuver? Then they are back for the next little snippet and the next! Like the greek god that was always hungry and sucked in anything it could devour. They want them all! How many times must they say it before it sinks in??

Gray_Rider

Correct.

And we know this to be true because if one gun is banned, the bad guy will just use another gun. We KNOW that gun bans do nothing to stop crime. Therefore, future crimes, mass shootings, etc, will call for the banning of additional guns.

No end. And even after all guns were banned, we KNOW the murders from bad guys would continue. With black market guns, and bombs.

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Revvv
02-28-2013, 06:38
I would carry my G22 with full cap magazine and tell the idiots to stuff it.

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Pier23
02-28-2013, 09:29
well maybe someone will come out with a modern version of this.....
http://www.horstheld.com/0-hdh.htm


20 shot revolver.....

love it!!!!

Climb14er
02-28-2013, 10:07
Watching what is happening here in Colorado, I bought a Dan Wesson CCO, Commander slide on Officer's frame 1911, 7 +1, thin, lightweight, flawlessly reliable, disappears in a good holster.

This has replaced my Glock 19 as primary CCW.

.45ACP and easy to carry.

Even though we still have existing laws that the Dems want to change and reduce mag capacity, I do not trust these politicians any longer.

If I were in NY... I'd carry a lightweight commander on an officer's frame.

p01ic3m4n
02-28-2013, 11:09
Personally, I'd just ignore the law and carry what I want. Despite that, I'm a revolver person, and just to snub them, I'd get a 2" 500 S&W magnum or short barrel Ruger Redhawk in 454 Casull and hide it wherever I could. I would also openly carry those little artillery shells for it on my belt in cartridge loops.

Will Beararms
02-28-2013, 12:49
I will not live in any jurisdiction or near any jurisdiction that restricts the size of a soft drink much less a magazine. If recent events are not a red flag indicator to get out of New York State then nothing is. I would not even be considering what to carry to conform to these tyrants.

oldman11
02-28-2013, 13:20
I can just see all the felons in prison throughout the states all laughing their a** off over NY passing these anti American laws.

Glock 23 Nutter
02-28-2013, 13:50
So now with our 7 round limit in NY, what would you chose for carry?...

Same thing I choose to carry in Free America...

G36/230 gr. HST+P




Nutter

BuckyP
02-28-2013, 14:42
Well maybe someone will come out with a modern version of this.....
http://www.horstheld.com/0-HDH.htm

20 shot revolver.....

:wow:

NYC....

I think John Carpenter was a visionary in regards to NYC...

:rofl::rofl:

That's easy. Seven rounds then a slow reload!

Its history fits our current political climate as well. :whistling:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwzano5NJ9bdke8JC5xCjQTbmpVbAeWHbpQhmlqrnJXJ6VTa-D

A friend has a 7 shot 686 snub nose. It's a beautiful piece. Not sure if they make them any more. Even if the law excludes revolvers, a 7 shot 686 L frame is still a better choice, IMO, than an 8 shot N frame, especially after comparing them side by side.

JDSTG58
02-28-2013, 21:34
Cz52 would be a nice Commie gun for a Commie State.

Gray_Rider
03-01-2013, 01:36
[QUOTE=ithaca_deerslayer;20040436]Correct.

And we know this to be true because if one gun is banned, the bad guy will just use another gun. We KNOW that gun bans do nothing to stop crime. Therefore, future crimes, mass shootings, etc, will call for the banning of additional guns.

No end. And even after all guns were banned, we KNOW the murders from bad guys would continue. With black market guns, and bombs. [QUOTE]

I wonder what the antis would be saying if the Sandy Hook murderer had used #4 buck and a pump/semi auto 12 gage with sling full or two of ammo?

I know...Trick question. Those nasty AR 15's would STILL be the gun they would want eliminated. As well as the extended magazines.

Gray_Rider