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bac1023
01-19-2013, 18:16
I started this thread a couple months back and now have this ultra rare and exotic pistol in my hands!

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1453704


Here is some more info here:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363785


These guns were made in very small quantities by two Italian engineers in Lucca, Italy in the mid to late 1990's. Its design is loosely patterned after the CZ 52. The Delta won European pistol of the year for 1998 in Nuremberg, Germany. I'd say that's quite impressive considering the amazing pistols being produced in Europe at that time. That was before everything turned into plastic. I don't have much else to say about its history, because there isn't a whole lot of info on these pistols. I will say that some have a side ejection port and some don't. That was probably an addition or subtraction at some point during its short production life. I'm not sure how many were built, but mine is serial number 0069 and chambered in 45ACP. I believe they were chambered in 9mm, 40S&W, and 45ACP. I'm actually certain of the 9mm and 45ACP, but not the 40S&W.

The gun itself is very high quality the fit and finish is superb. Calling it "exotic" is an understatement, to say the least. The frame is made of what appears to be a really high quality aluminum alloy and the slide is carbon steel with a two tone nickel finish (matte and bright). As you can see, this pistol is completely ambidextrous. When I say ambidextrous, I mean it. The controls are totally identical, not just stuck on there as an afterthought for lefties. In fact, with no side ejection port, it looks completely identical on both sides. I honestly don't think I own or have even seen another pistol with that characteristic. Even the roll marks are identical on both sides. The only difference being the small print.

The trigger is amazingly precise, light, and crisp and its adjustable every which way but loose. I'm talking a total of FOUR different adjustments. :wow: As you can see, there are two screws under the frame in front of the trigger, a third screw just behind those two on the trigger mechcanism, and a fourth on the side of the trigger itself. While I'll probably never touch any of them, you have to admit its damn cool. :cool:

The grips are very finely checkered and show great wood grain, though I'm not sure exactly what sort of wood was used. The sights are the adjustable target type and give a great sight picture. The front strap and top of the slide are nicely serrated. The back of the slide has extremely fine checkering. Being a 1911 guy, I know fine checkering. This looks to be an incredible 50lpi. The only other pistols I own with any checkering on the back of the slide are some of my high end 1911s and those are generally 40lpi. This is about 10 lines per inch finer. For the non-1911 guys, I'll tell you that the purpose of rear slide checkering is to keep the sun from reflecting off the surface and back into your eyes.

Just looking at the pistol and you know its Italian. The big rounded trigger guard is a bit funky, but the pistol is very graceful in appearance and smooth in function. The finish is very nice, the controls are great, and the ergonomics feel incredibly comfortable in hand. Despite being quite large, the Delta weighs just 34.4oz. This gun was designed from the ground up for competition, not just target shooting.

Of course, I would have preferred 9mm. However, these guns are so extremely rare, that I may never have had another opportunity to buy one in this lifetime. Its the only one I ever saw for sale. While its not confirmed, I highly doubt this gun was ever fired. The mags certainly don't look like they were ever loaded. There is not a single handling mark on the gun or the grips. Its pretty much brand new.

As many know, I love rare/high end European pistols and the Delta is the epitome of that. I find it beautiful, sexy, and extremely high quality. I also love its very unique look and personality. Its a masterpiece of creativity and precision machining and hand fitting.

The Delta Top Gun came with two mags and a very nice lockable (combination) case. The owners manual has a total of two English words in it and they are "top" and "gun". The rest is in Italian, but has good pictures. ;)

At any rate, what do you think of my latest? As always, your comments and questions are welcome. I usually ask if anybody owns one or has experience with one, so I will now as well. Anyone?

As you can tell, I'm really stoked about this one. Plese forgive the excitement. I've always been a 1911 junky, but I'm also becoming a real high end European pistol fanatic. When I put it in my gun room, it will go on my highest end shelf, along with some others in its class.

Enjoy the pics. I've never been great at photographing shiny handguns, but they aren't too bad. :embarassed:


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/038-2.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/072-1.jpg

bac1023
01-19-2013, 18:17
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/041.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/074-1.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/044-3.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/077-1.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/079.jpg





As requested, I have added a pic of the checkering on the rear of the slide.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/004-4.jpg

The_Gun_Guru
01-19-2013, 18:22
Another gorgeous find for sure!:wow:

Interesting trigger guard.:dunno:

Congrats as always.

TGG

wingryder
01-19-2013, 18:28
Holy Crap! :wow:

That's purdy! I'd be afraid to take that baby out and shoot it!

Thanks for sharing that and Congrats!

Steel Head
01-19-2013, 19:02
Never heard of them either:dunno:

That gun actually is a real LOOKER:wow:!!!!

Kinda like Sig and S&W had a baby.

Nice find!

I look forward to looking at your non-1911 guns.

bac1023
01-19-2013, 20:46
Interesting trigger guard.:dunno:



No doubt ;)

It adds to the pistol's character though. :cool:

steve1911
01-19-2013, 22:58
Very nice.

Congrats! bac


1911club#410

method
01-20-2013, 01:10
Can definitely see the CZ-52 in the take down latch.

If you don't mind saying, how much?

CajunBass
01-20-2013, 01:34
You do find the most interesting things, don't you?

Congratulations Bac. Very nice.

Bruce M
01-20-2013, 07:58
Another great, interesting find, Sir. The lines and curves do look Italian; sort of Ferrari-like.

bac1023
01-20-2013, 08:28
Can definitely see the CZ-52 in the take down latch.

If you don't mind saying, how much?

:faint:

Too much

The original asking price was $4800, but I got them down a good amount.

Its one of those things in which I had no reference point. They sold between 2 and $3000 15-20 years ago. However, I haven't seen one for sale to gage it. The collector I bought it from paid $4000 for it and I'm not sure how long ago that was.

TexasVine
01-20-2013, 09:14
Wow! What a nice piece. I so enjoy looking and reading your postings. I have actually learned a great deal about firearms via your pics and writings.

gruntmedik
01-20-2013, 11:10
Very cool! Any pics of the checkering on the rear sight?

oldnoob
01-20-2013, 12:30
When I saw that grip, "baby got back" sound comes up in my head.

Anyway, It's nice to see CZ 52 in a modern design.

bac1023
01-20-2013, 12:51
Very cool! Any pics of the checkering on the rear sight?

Thanks

It's actually the rear of the slide that's checkered, not the sight. I'll take a pic.

jakebrake
01-20-2013, 12:54
ok.... i gotta ask

1) where the hell do you find these things?

2) seriously.....you won't adopt me?

bac1023
01-20-2013, 13:05
Very cool! Any pics of the checkering on the rear sight?

Thanks

It's actually the rear of the slide that's checkered, not the sight. I'll take a pic.


Here you go, you can see how fine the checkering is in this pic. :cool:

I believe its 50lpi.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/004-4.jpg

bac1023
01-20-2013, 13:10
Another great, interesting find, Sir. The lines and curves do look Italian; sort of Ferrari-like.

No doubt, Bruce :cool:

Just the way the parts go together, such as how the thumb safeties blend with the beavertail.

Its unmistakably an Italian gun.

faawrenchbndr
01-20-2013, 13:12
Sweet Georgia Brown,...........that sure is pretty.

Thanks for sharing! I think I may have to take a trip to the Bac Museum next year!:faint:

A-Train
01-20-2013, 13:35
Wow!!! What a work of art. Very nice BAC congrats.

bac1023
01-20-2013, 13:37
Sweet Georgia Brown,...........that sure is pretty.

Thanks for sharing! I think I may have to take a trip to the Bac Museum next year!:faint:

Thanks Greg

You're always certainly welcome to stop by. :cool:

Steel Head
01-20-2013, 14:25
Here you go, you can see how fine the checkering is in this pic. :cool:

I believe its 50lpi.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/004-4.jpg

:wow:WOW!

boomhower
01-20-2013, 14:46
Very nice. Are you going to shoot it?

SiberianErik
01-20-2013, 15:39
Nice..pics of said gun room please ...

bac1023
01-20-2013, 15:45
Very nice. Are you going to shoot it?
Thanks

Yeah, I'll get around to it I'm sure. :)

concretefuzzynuts
01-20-2013, 15:55
You have the most incredible collection of guns!

bac1023
01-20-2013, 16:06
Nice..pics of said gun room please ...

Thanks

I never take pics of my gun storage area, but I will take some full collection pics before the end of the month if at all possible.

bac1023
01-20-2013, 19:32
You have the most incredible collection of guns!

Thanks

I'll take some full collection pics soon...

USMCsilver
01-20-2013, 20:08
Bac -- I'm considering payin' all shipping charges that'd be associeated with mailing you an 18"x20" slab of granite.

Would you utilize it? I'll put some rubber bumper feet on it. I might even include a bow. :)

EDIT: forgot -- purdy gun.

bac1023
01-20-2013, 21:18
Bac -- I'm considering payin' all shipping charges that'd be associeated with mailing you an 18"x20" slab of granite.

Would you utilize it? I'll put some rubber bumper feet on it. I might even include a bow. :)

EDIT: forgot -- purdy gun.

:rofl:

Thanks!

Cole125
01-20-2013, 23:22
Congrats! :cool: Interesting pistol, thanks for sharing.

nathanours
01-21-2013, 01:34
Very nice. From certain angles the slide almost reminds me of the desert eagle. Love the checkering on the rear as well.

ilgunguygt
01-21-2013, 01:50
Thats very nice! Thank you for posting that, its a real treat for those of us who have never heard of one.

bac1023
01-21-2013, 09:33
Congrats! :cool: Interesting pistol, thanks for sharing.

Very nice. From certain angles the slide almost reminds me of the desert eagle. Love the checkering on the rear as well.

Thats very nice! Thank you for posting that, its a real treat for those of us who have never heard of one.

Thanks guys :wavey:

38 Super Fan
01-21-2013, 09:54
Nice one Brian! :thumbsup:

SigFTW
01-21-2013, 10:13
Congratulations on one awesome looking and finely built European pistol Bac!! :thumbsup:

fnfalman
01-21-2013, 10:20
The aesthetics doesn't do squat for me, but the attention to detail is definitely admirable.

bac1023
01-21-2013, 10:38
The aesthetics doesn't do squat for me, but the attention to detail is definitely admirable.

I thought it was a bit odd at first, but the looks are growing on me :)

bac1023
01-21-2013, 10:38
Nice one Brian! :thumbsup:

Thanks Cody!

ctfireman
01-21-2013, 12:43
Another jaw dropper! Congrats & as always, thanks for sharing.

boilergonzo
01-21-2013, 13:48
That gun looks like a gun!

And I mean that in the best possible light with high compliments. It just looks put together... right. Sure, the trigger guard is odd, but it has a design element that draws one to it.

Like a Lamborghini Miura (by Gandini at Bertone), too many Ferrari's to list (by Fioravanti at Pininfarina), or Maserati Bora,Ghibli,and Merak/BMW M1/De Tomaso Mangusta/Ferrari 250GT/Lotus Esprit, and many other items like toasters, Nikon cameras, Ducatti motorcycles, and yes... even the Beretta CSX Storm (by Giorgetto Giugiaro).

Just as those cars look like cars should look (fast sitting still, artistic yet powerful looking, etc.), that gun looks like a gun. Beautifully done, and thanks for sharing your find!

Not to drag your rare find down into the mud with a common gun, but another gun that I can't help look at and think that it just looks somehow "right" is a SIG P232 in stainless steel. Call me crazy!

gruntmedik
01-21-2013, 15:55
Here you go, you can see how fine the checkering is in this pic. :cool:

I believe its 50lpi.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/004-4.jpg

Very nice! I'd have a hard time focusing on the front sight. :rofl:

bac1023
01-21-2013, 16:56
That gun looks like a gun!

And I mean that in the best possible light with high compliments. It just looks put together... right. Sure, the trigger guard is odd, but it has a design element that draws one to it.

Like a Lamborghini Miura (by Gandini at Bertone), too many Ferrari's to list (by Fioravanti at Pininfarina), or Maserati Bora,Ghibli,and Merak/BMW M1/De Tomaso Mangusta/Ferrari 250GT/Lotus Esprit, and many other items like toasters, Nikon cameras, Ducatti motorcycles, and yes... even the Beretta CSX Storm (by Giorgetto Giugiaro).

Just as those cars look like cars should look (fast sitting still, artistic yet powerful looking, etc.), that gun looks like a gun. Beautifully done, and thanks for sharing your find!

Not to drag your rare find down into the mud with a common gun, but another gun that I can't help look at and think that it just looks somehow "right" is a SIG P232 in stainless steel. Call me crazy!

Thanks for the great post and kind words.

As for the P232, are you kidding? I also think it's one of the most beautiful firearms ever built. I've got the stainless model.

Ruggles
01-21-2013, 17:29
That's one Gucci looking case :)

Very nice gun :)

Janno05
01-21-2013, 20:09
Sir, would you mind taking a picture with the slide locked back? What does the inside look like?

bac1023
01-21-2013, 20:19
That's one Gucci looking case :)

Very nice gun :)

Thanks Ruggles

It is a very nice looking, high quality case.

sawgrass
01-21-2013, 20:31
Holy Smokes!

Looking at it just makes you want to look at it again...

Congrats on another rare find!

G23c
01-21-2013, 20:45
OK, that's a cool find. thanks for the write up and pics.

bac1023
01-21-2013, 20:59
Holy Smokes!

Looking at it just makes you want to look at it again...

Congrats on another rare find!

Thanks SG

Much appreciated :)