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bac1023
01-19-2013, 19:16
I started this thread a couple months back and now have this ultra rare and exotic pistol in my hands!

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1453704


Here is some more info here:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363785


These guns were made in very small quantities by two Italian engineers in Lucca, Italy in the mid to late 1990's. Its design is loosely patterned after the CZ 52. The Delta won European pistol of the year for 1998 in Nuremberg, Germany. I'd say that's quite impressive considering the amazing pistols being produced in Europe at that time. That was before everything turned into plastic. I don't have much else to say about its history, because there isn't a whole lot of info on these pistols. I will say that some have a side ejection port and some don't. That was probably an addition or subtraction at some point during its short production life. I'm not sure how many were built, but mine is serial number 0069 and chambered in 45ACP. I believe they were chambered in 9mm, 40S&W, and 45ACP. I'm actually certain of the 9mm and 45ACP, but not the 40S&W.

The gun itself is very high quality the fit and finish is superb. Calling it "exotic" is an understatement, to say the least. The frame is made of what appears to be a really high quality aluminum alloy and the slide is carbon steel with a two tone nickel finish (matte and bright). As you can see, this pistol is completely ambidextrous. When I say ambidextrous, I mean it. The controls are totally identical, not just stuck on there as an afterthought for lefties. In fact, with no side ejection port, it looks completely identical on both sides. I honestly don't think I own or have even seen another pistol with that characteristic. Even the roll marks are identical on both sides. The only difference being the small print.

The trigger is amazingly precise, light, and crisp and its adjustable every which way but loose. I'm talking a total of FOUR different adjustments. :wow: As you can see, there are two screws under the frame in front of the trigger, a third screw just behind those two on the trigger mechcanism, and a fourth on the side of the trigger itself. While I'll probably never touch any of them, you have to admit its damn cool. :cool:

The grips are very finely checkered and show great wood grain, though I'm not sure exactly what sort of wood was used. The sights are the adjustable target type and give a great sight picture. The front strap and top of the slide are nicely serrated. The back of the slide has extremely fine checkering. Being a 1911 guy, I know fine checkering. This looks to be an incredible 50lpi. The only other pistols I own with any checkering on the back of the slide are some of my high end 1911s and those are generally 40lpi. This is about 10 lines per inch finer. For the non-1911 guys, I'll tell you that the purpose of rear slide checkering is to keep the sun from reflecting off the surface and back into your eyes.

Just looking at the pistol and you know its Italian. The big rounded trigger guard is a bit funky, but the pistol is very graceful in appearance and smooth in function. The finish is very nice, the controls are great, and the ergonomics feel incredibly comfortable in hand. Despite being quite large, the Delta weighs just 34.4oz. This gun was designed from the ground up for competition, not just target shooting.

Of course, I would have preferred 9mm. However, these guns are so extremely rare, that I may never have had another opportunity to buy one in this lifetime. Its the only one I ever saw for sale. While its not confirmed, I highly doubt this gun was ever fired. The mags certainly don't look like they were ever loaded. There is not a single handling mark on the gun or the grips. Its pretty much brand new.

As many know, I love rare/high end European pistols and the Delta is the epitome of that. I find it beautiful, sexy, and extremely high quality. I also love its very unique look and personality. Its a masterpiece of creativity and precision machining and hand fitting.

The Delta Top Gun came with two mags and a very nice lockable (combination) case. The owners manual has a total of two English words in it and they are "top" and "gun". The rest is in Italian, but has good pictures. ;)

At any rate, what do you think of my latest? As always, your comments and questions are welcome. I usually ask if anybody owns one or has experience with one, so I will now as well. Anyone?

As you can tell, I'm really stoked about this one. Plese forgive the excitement. I've always been a 1911 junky, but I'm also becoming a real high end European pistol fanatic. When I put it in my gun room, it will go on my highest end shelf, along with some others in its class.

Enjoy the pics. I've never been great at photographing shiny handguns, but they aren't too bad. :embarassed:


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/038-2.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/072-1.jpg

bac1023
01-19-2013, 19:17
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/041.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/074-1.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/044-3.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/077-1.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/079.jpg





As requested, I have added a pic of the checkering on the rear of the slide.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/004-4.jpg

The_Gun_Guru
01-19-2013, 19:22
Another gorgeous find for sure!:wow:

Interesting trigger guard.:dunno:

Congrats as always.

TGG

wingryder
01-19-2013, 19:28
Holy Crap! :wow:

That's purdy! I'd be afraid to take that baby out and shoot it!

Thanks for sharing that and Congrats!

Steel Head
01-19-2013, 20:02
Never heard of them either:dunno:

That gun actually is a real LOOKER:wow:!!!!

Kinda like Sig and S&W had a baby.

Nice find!

I look forward to looking at your non-1911 guns.

bac1023
01-19-2013, 21:46
Interesting trigger guard.:dunno:



No doubt ;)

It adds to the pistol's character though. :cool:

steve1911
01-19-2013, 23:58
Very nice.

Congrats! bac


1911club#410

method
01-20-2013, 02:10
Can definitely see the CZ-52 in the take down latch.

If you don't mind saying, how much?

CajunBass
01-20-2013, 02:34
You do find the most interesting things, don't you?

Congratulations Bac. Very nice.

Bruce M
01-20-2013, 08:58
Another great, interesting find, Sir. The lines and curves do look Italian; sort of Ferrari-like.

bac1023
01-20-2013, 09:28
Can definitely see the CZ-52 in the take down latch.

If you don't mind saying, how much?

:faint:

Too much

The original asking price was $4800, but I got them down a good amount.

Its one of those things in which I had no reference point. They sold between 2 and $3000 15-20 years ago. However, I haven't seen one for sale to gage it. The collector I bought it from paid $4000 for it and I'm not sure how long ago that was.

TexasVine
01-20-2013, 10:14
Wow! What a nice piece. I so enjoy looking and reading your postings. I have actually learned a great deal about firearms via your pics and writings.

gruntmedik
01-20-2013, 12:10
Very cool! Any pics of the checkering on the rear sight?

oldnoob
01-20-2013, 13:30
When I saw that grip, "baby got back" sound comes up in my head.

Anyway, It's nice to see CZ 52 in a modern design.

bac1023
01-20-2013, 13:51
Very cool! Any pics of the checkering on the rear sight?

Thanks

It's actually the rear of the slide that's checkered, not the sight. I'll take a pic.

jakebrake
01-20-2013, 13:54
ok.... i gotta ask

1) where the hell do you find these things?

2) seriously.....you won't adopt me?

bac1023
01-20-2013, 14:05
Very cool! Any pics of the checkering on the rear sight?

Thanks

It's actually the rear of the slide that's checkered, not the sight. I'll take a pic.


Here you go, you can see how fine the checkering is in this pic. :cool:

I believe its 50lpi.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/004-4.jpg

bac1023
01-20-2013, 14:10
Another great, interesting find, Sir. The lines and curves do look Italian; sort of Ferrari-like.

No doubt, Bruce :cool:

Just the way the parts go together, such as how the thumb safeties blend with the beavertail.

Its unmistakably an Italian gun.

faawrenchbndr
01-20-2013, 14:12
Sweet Georgia Brown,...........that sure is pretty.

Thanks for sharing! I think I may have to take a trip to the Bac Museum next year!:faint:

A-Train
01-20-2013, 14:35
Wow!!! What a work of art. Very nice BAC congrats.

bac1023
01-20-2013, 14:37
Sweet Georgia Brown,...........that sure is pretty.

Thanks for sharing! I think I may have to take a trip to the Bac Museum next year!:faint:

Thanks Greg

You're always certainly welcome to stop by. :cool:

Steel Head
01-20-2013, 15:25
Here you go, you can see how fine the checkering is in this pic. :cool:

I believe its 50lpi.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/004-4.jpg

:wow:WOW!

boomhower
01-20-2013, 15:46
Very nice. Are you going to shoot it?

SiberianErik
01-20-2013, 16:39
Nice..pics of said gun room please ...

bac1023
01-20-2013, 16:45
Very nice. Are you going to shoot it?
Thanks

Yeah, I'll get around to it I'm sure. :)

concretefuzzynuts
01-20-2013, 16:55
You have the most incredible collection of guns!

bac1023
01-20-2013, 17:06
Nice..pics of said gun room please ...

Thanks

I never take pics of my gun storage area, but I will take some full collection pics before the end of the month if at all possible.

bac1023
01-20-2013, 20:32
You have the most incredible collection of guns!

Thanks

I'll take some full collection pics soon...

USMCsilver
01-20-2013, 21:08
Bac -- I'm considering payin' all shipping charges that'd be associeated with mailing you an 18"x20" slab of granite.

Would you utilize it? I'll put some rubber bumper feet on it. I might even include a bow. :)

EDIT: forgot -- purdy gun.

bac1023
01-20-2013, 22:18
Bac -- I'm considering payin' all shipping charges that'd be associeated with mailing you an 18"x20" slab of granite.

Would you utilize it? I'll put some rubber bumper feet on it. I might even include a bow. :)

EDIT: forgot -- purdy gun.

:rofl:

Thanks!

Cole125
01-21-2013, 00:22
Congrats! :cool: Interesting pistol, thanks for sharing.

nathanours
01-21-2013, 02:34
Very nice. From certain angles the slide almost reminds me of the desert eagle. Love the checkering on the rear as well.

ilgunguygt
01-21-2013, 02:50
Thats very nice! Thank you for posting that, its a real treat for those of us who have never heard of one.

bac1023
01-21-2013, 10:33
Congrats! :cool: Interesting pistol, thanks for sharing.

Very nice. From certain angles the slide almost reminds me of the desert eagle. Love the checkering on the rear as well.

Thats very nice! Thank you for posting that, its a real treat for those of us who have never heard of one.

Thanks guys :wavey:

38 Super Fan
01-21-2013, 10:54
Nice one Brian! :thumbsup:

SigFTW
01-21-2013, 11:13
Congratulations on one awesome looking and finely built European pistol Bac!! :thumbsup:

fnfalman
01-21-2013, 11:20
The aesthetics doesn't do squat for me, but the attention to detail is definitely admirable.

bac1023
01-21-2013, 11:38
The aesthetics doesn't do squat for me, but the attention to detail is definitely admirable.

I thought it was a bit odd at first, but the looks are growing on me :)

bac1023
01-21-2013, 11:38
Nice one Brian! :thumbsup:

Thanks Cody!

ctfireman
01-21-2013, 13:43
Another jaw dropper! Congrats & as always, thanks for sharing.

boilergonzo
01-21-2013, 14:48
That gun looks like a gun!

And I mean that in the best possible light with high compliments. It just looks put together... right. Sure, the trigger guard is odd, but it has a design element that draws one to it.

Like a Lamborghini Miura (by Gandini at Bertone), too many Ferrari's to list (by Fioravanti at Pininfarina), or Maserati Bora,Ghibli,and Merak/BMW M1/De Tomaso Mangusta/Ferrari 250GT/Lotus Esprit, and many other items like toasters, Nikon cameras, Ducatti motorcycles, and yes... even the Beretta CSX Storm (by Giorgetto Giugiaro).

Just as those cars look like cars should look (fast sitting still, artistic yet powerful looking, etc.), that gun looks like a gun. Beautifully done, and thanks for sharing your find!

Not to drag your rare find down into the mud with a common gun, but another gun that I can't help look at and think that it just looks somehow "right" is a SIG P232 in stainless steel. Call me crazy!

gruntmedik
01-21-2013, 16:55
Here you go, you can see how fine the checkering is in this pic. :cool:

I believe its 50lpi.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/004-4.jpg

Very nice! I'd have a hard time focusing on the front sight. :rofl:

bac1023
01-21-2013, 17:56
That gun looks like a gun!

And I mean that in the best possible light with high compliments. It just looks put together... right. Sure, the trigger guard is odd, but it has a design element that draws one to it.

Like a Lamborghini Miura (by Gandini at Bertone), too many Ferrari's to list (by Fioravanti at Pininfarina), or Maserati Bora,Ghibli,and Merak/BMW M1/De Tomaso Mangusta/Ferrari 250GT/Lotus Esprit, and many other items like toasters, Nikon cameras, Ducatti motorcycles, and yes... even the Beretta CSX Storm (by Giorgetto Giugiaro).

Just as those cars look like cars should look (fast sitting still, artistic yet powerful looking, etc.), that gun looks like a gun. Beautifully done, and thanks for sharing your find!

Not to drag your rare find down into the mud with a common gun, but another gun that I can't help look at and think that it just looks somehow "right" is a SIG P232 in stainless steel. Call me crazy!

Thanks for the great post and kind words.

As for the P232, are you kidding? I also think it's one of the most beautiful firearms ever built. I've got the stainless model.

Ruggles
01-21-2013, 18:29
That's one Gucci looking case :)

Very nice gun :)

Janno05
01-21-2013, 21:09
Sir, would you mind taking a picture with the slide locked back? What does the inside look like?

bac1023
01-21-2013, 21:19
That's one Gucci looking case :)

Very nice gun :)

Thanks Ruggles

It is a very nice looking, high quality case.

sawgrass
01-21-2013, 21:31
Holy Smokes!

Looking at it just makes you want to look at it again...

Congrats on another rare find!

G23c
01-21-2013, 21:45
OK, that's a cool find. thanks for the write up and pics.

bac1023
01-21-2013, 21:59
Holy Smokes!

Looking at it just makes you want to look at it again...

Congrats on another rare find!

Thanks SG

Much appreciated :)

lifesizepotato
07-19-2014, 16:30
BAM!

http://i.imgur.com/RldP5Va.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9BFfYjb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Zv8sUOv.jpg

Here's a link to the manual in English: http://www.matebafan.com/deltatopgunmanual.pdf

bac1023
07-19-2014, 16:34
That's awesome, LSP! It's about damn time! :supergrin:

What do you think of your new unobtainium? :cool:

Beautiful pistol, by the way...

lifesizepotato
07-19-2014, 16:50
That's awesome, LSP! It's about damn time! :supergrin:

What do you think of your new unobtainium? :cool:

1. Marstar Canada can suck an egg.

2. Rusty Wood Trading Company (http://www.rustywood.ca) should be any Canadian Glocktalker's go-to for gun stuff.

3. The gun itself is really cool. It definitely feels exquisitely built and hand crafted. My trigger wasn't as good as yours out of the box. I've played with the adjustments and it's better now, but still not in my top 5 triggers (though that's a tough group to break into...). The take-up is heavy and I can't seem to dial it out. :dunno:

The ergonomics are a bit questionable. The trigger guard, whose shape I love for its unique appearance, makes a good two-hand grip a bit awkward, since it forces your weak hand fingers down a little. The interestingly designed mag release also projects into my shooting hand a bit, which is a tad uncomfortable.

Despite that, it's an über-unicorn and I'm super excited to have it. And I do believe I'll need to put a mag or two through it... :devildance:

bac1023
07-19-2014, 16:58
1. Marstar Canada can suck an egg.

2. Rusty Wood Trading Company (http://www.rustywood.ca) should be any Canadian Glocktalker's go-to for gun stuff.

3. The gun itself is really cool. It definitely feels exquisitely built and hand crafted. My trigger wasn't as good as yours out of the box. I've played with the adjustments and it's better now, but still not in my top 5 triggers. The take-up is heavy and I can't seem to dial it out. :dunno:

The ergonomics are a bit questionable. The trigger guard, whose shape I love for its unique appearance, makes a good two-hand grip a bit awkward, since it forces your weak hand fingers down a little. The interestingly designed mag release also projects into my shooting hand a bit, which is a bit uncomfortable.

Despite that, it's an über-unicorn and I'm super excited to have it. And I do believe I'll need to put a mag or two through it... :devildance:

Yeah, it's definitely a little quirky and unusual. I never said the trigger was as good as the best I own, but it's doable. I put the Delta more in the realm of the Korth auto. I like it more for its sheer build quality, uniqueness, and charm than I do for its ultimate performance.

Having said that, the Delta is known in Europe as a great shooter. It won pistol of the year in the late 1990's.

What is the date code for yours? Mine is BL (1998).

Pier23
07-19-2014, 17:19
I LOVE it when Titans battle!!!
:popcorn:

grecco
07-19-2014, 17:26
Beatiful, i can translate for you.

bac1023
07-19-2014, 17:28
I LOVE it when Titans battle!!!
:popcorn:

:rofl:

No battles here. We work together. ;)



...after all, who do you think talked LSP into tracking one of those down? :tongueout:

bac1023
07-19-2014, 17:31
Beatiful, i can teanslate for you.

Thanks, my friend. :)

I used Google to translate most of the manual. It appears as though LSP provided a link to the manual in English as well.

bac1023
07-19-2014, 18:20
LSP, the reason I ask about the date is because yours has the later (and improved) side ejection, whereas mine is a top ejector like the Walther P38. I think the top ejection looks cool, but I don't think it works as well as yours does. I believe that was the reason behind the change.

I also notice your slide has cut outs on both sides and doesn't have the "Top Gun" scripting. Both of which differ from my gun.

Your serial number is 80 pistols past mine, so I was just wondering if they were built the same year or not. I think they were only made for a coupe of years, but I'm not 100% sure. As you know, the gun is so mysterious that it makes finding good information on it quite difficult. I'm just trying to gather any data I can on these things. :dunno:


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/Delta11_zpsd783159c.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/Delta11_zpsd783159c.jpg.html)

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/Delta10_zps25557dd6.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/Delta10_zps25557dd6.jpg.html)

lifesizepotato
07-19-2014, 18:23
:rofl:

No battles here. We work together. ;)



...after all, who do you think talked LSP into tracking one of those down? :tongueout:

Me vs. you in a "battle" would be like the Mayberry police department versus the entire Russian army. :tongueout:

And yeah, you're the main reason I lusted for the Top Gun. When you got yours, I mostly just occasionally lurked in GlockTalk, and I distinctly remember the Top Gun being the first thing you'd ever posted that I had just plain never heard of. That plus your glowing description, the cool and unique look, and the interesting mechanism, made it a must-have-at-any-cost. :cool:

lifesizepotato
07-19-2014, 18:24
LSP, the reason I ask about the date is because yours has the later (and improved) side ejection, whereas mine is a top ejector like the Walther P38. I think the top ejection looks cool, but I don't think it works as well as yours does. I believe that was the reason behind the change.

I also notice your slide has cut outs on both sides and doesn't have the "Top Gun" scripting, which differ from my gun.

Your serial number is 80 pistols past mine, so I was just wondering if they were built the same year or not. I think they were only made for a coupe of years, but I'm not 100% sure. As you know, the gun is so mysterious that it makes finding good information on it quite difficult. I'm just trying to gather any data I can on these things. :dunno:


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/Delta11_zpsd783159c.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/Delta11_zpsd783159c.jpg.html)

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/Delta10_zps25557dd6.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/Delta10_zps25557dd6.jpg.html)

Mine is BZ, 2005. I have seen several variations on these, including differently shaped trigger guards (with some having more conventional looking ones) and differently shape slides (mine has the scallop in it). Like you said, with the obscurity of these, figuring out any rhyme or reason might be tricky! (Something I've encountered with my Mateba research, incidentally.)

The idea that only 80 were made in those 7 years is pretty interesting!

And data gathering is one of the reasons I posted it here rather than making a new thread. Not only did you already say everything, but this is probably the internet's only go-to for info and photos of this gun.

lifesizepotato
07-19-2014, 18:30
Yeah, it's definitely a little quirky and unusual. I never said the trigger was as good as the best I own, but it's doable. I put the Delta more in the realm of the Korth auto. I like it more for its sheer build quality, uniqueness, and charm than I do for its ultimate performance.

Having said that, the Delta is known in Europe as a great shooter. It won pistol of the year in the late 1990's.


Yeah, the Korth comparison makes sense. From what I can tell, at least from the trigger, it's not a GT9 or X6 killer. Maybe I'll be surprised at the range, though. :cool:

There's only one video about it in existence it seems, and it's in Spanish. I'm fluent in Spanish, but that video isn't overly illuminating really. Looking forward to making a review on this one and trying to gather what info I can.

bac1023
07-19-2014, 18:41
Mine is BZ, 2005. I have seen several variations on these, including differently shaped trigger guards (with some having more conventional looking ones) and differently shape slides (mine has the scallop in it). Like you said, with the obscurity of these, figuring out any rhyme or reason might be tricky! (Something I've encountered with my Mateba research, incidentally.)

The idea that only 80 were made in those 7 years is pretty interesting!

And data gathering is one of the reasons I posted it here rather than making a new thread. Not only did you already say everything, but this is probably the internet's only go-to for info and photos of this gun.

I'm happy you posted it here. Like our Ultramatic thread, its now a combined effort. :cheers:

Wow, 2005. That's actually better than it being the same or the following year. Only 80 pistols in 8 years? 10 guns per year on average? That's damn cool, if you ask me. :cool:

Yeah, I've seen the different trigger guards and different actual triggers. I also saw the side and top ejection before. I just never noticed the slide cut out before now.

The internals of yours differs slightly from mine as well...

bac1023
07-19-2014, 19:02
Yeah, the Korth comparison makes sense. From what I can tell, at least from the trigger, it's not a GT9 or X6 killer. Maybe I'll be surprised at the range, though. :cool:

There's only one video about it in existence it seems, and it's in Spanish. I'm fluent in Spanish, but that video isn't overly illuminating really. Looking forward to making a review on this one and trying to gather what info I can.

Yeah, its not nearly as slick as the Pardini. However, from a build quality standpoint, its all the Pardini is and then some, I think.

The Sig X Series guns are all steel and pretty hard to beat. However, the Delta is certainly much more exotic. :cool:

The Delta may or may not have the performance of the X Six or GT9, but its much more interesting than either of them. The Sig and Pardini are fairly straightforward and basic designs. They really aren't all that unusual. The Delta is exotic, much like the Benelli MP3S and Wolf Ultramatic, but even more rare than either of them.

I really look forward to your video. :banana:

lifesizepotato
07-19-2014, 19:37
Yeah, its not nearly as slick as the Pardini. However, from a build quality standpoint, its all the Pardini is and then some, I think.

The Sig X Series guns are all steel and pretty hard to beat. However, the Delta is certainly much more exotic. :cool:

The Delta may or may not have the performance of the X Six or GT9, but its much more interesting than either of them. The Sig and Pardini are fairly straightforward and basic designs. The Delta is exotic, much like the Benelli MP3S, but even more rare.

I really look forward to your video. :banana:

Yeah, I was only talking about range performance. I can't see this one being something I'd pick over the Pardini or Sig for shooting a ton of rounds into a tiny hole, but I might turn out to be wrong. Looking forward to finding out this week!

The Delta is certainly tough to beat as far as being exotic and build quality go.

bac1023
07-19-2014, 19:54
Yeah, the Pardini is fairly rare and off the beaten path. Its also an amazing shooter and very well built. However, there's really nothing exotic or ubusual about its design. It's pretty basic.

What I love about guns like the Delta, Ultramatic, and Benelli is how unusual and exotic the designs are. :)

blender
07-19-2014, 20:04
I've always been a 1911 junky
*You?* A 1911 junky? I am *shocked* Simply shocked! And such a sudden interest in firearms.... ;)

Yeah ok, switch to jealousy mode. What a beautiful handgun and congrats on the find!

bac1023
07-19-2014, 20:53
*You?* A 1911 junky? I am *shocked* Simply shocked! And such a sudden interest in firearms.... ;)

Yeah ok, switch to jealousy mode. What a beautiful handgun and congrats on the find!

Thanks! :cool:

Rizzo
07-19-2014, 21:01
Could the trigger guard be shaped like that to facilitate shooting it while wearing gloves? That's the only thing I can think of.

bac1023
07-19-2014, 21:05
Could the trigger guard be shaped like that to facilitate shooting it while wearing gloves? That's the only thing I can think of.

Quite possibly. Even then, its pretty large...

Rizzo
07-19-2014, 21:22
Quite possibly. Even then, its pretty large...

Yeah. I only thought of that because it made me think of HK USP's, which have elongated trigger guards for this reason (according to their ads, anyway.)

Oh, and nice gun. :cool:

bac1023
07-19-2014, 21:29
Thanks Rizzo :cool:

lifesizepotato
07-19-2014, 22:21
Yeah. I only thought of that because it made me think of HK USP's, which have elongated trigger guards for this reason (according to their ads, anyway.)

Oh, and nice gun. :cool:

I'd looove to know why the designer did the trigger guard that way. It seems like such a range queen that I can't imagine it's done for bulky gloved hands.

I mean, I'm glad he did, because it's one of the defining features of the gun aesthetically.

bac1023
07-20-2014, 06:06
I'd looove to know why the designer did the trigger guard that way. It seems like such a range queen that I can't imagine it's done for bulky gloved hands.

I mean, I'm glad he did, because it's one of the defining features of the gun aesthetically.

It does define the gun's looks. The trigger guard is the first thing you see. :)

LSP, did you get the cool case with yours?

lifesizepotato
07-20-2014, 10:24
It does define the gun's looks. The trigger guard is the first thing you see. :)

LSP, did you get the cool case with yours?

Yeah, the gun is NIB. (Although there are a couple flecks of surface rust, probably from storage.) It's a pretty sweet case for sure. Also had a couple allen wrenches for the trigger adjustments, a sight adjustment tool, extra recoil spring, spare magazine, and the manual.

bac1023
07-20-2014, 10:36
There's only one video about it in existence it seems, and it's in Spanish.

Is that the one comparing it to a Beretta?

If so, its a pretty weak video...

lifesizepotato
07-20-2014, 10:40
Is that the one comparing it to a Beretta?

If so, its a pretty weak video...

To be honest, it's been probably a year since I've seen it so I don't remember. I believe it was produced by a Spanish or Argentinian gun magazine, and yeah, it's pretty lame. Kind of like Gunblast but in Spanish.

I'll watch it again when I make my video to be thorough.

bac1023
07-20-2014, 10:55
To be honest, it's been probably a year since I've seen it so I don't remember. I believe it was produced by a Spanish or Argentinian gun magazine, and yeah, it's pretty lame. Kind of like Gunblast but in Spanish.

I'll watch it again when I make my video to be thorough.

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to your video. :cool:

lifesizepotato
07-20-2014, 11:26
Interesting development that I'll post here for the internet's #1 source of Top Gun info: the blued models (or maybe the later models) appear to be made of steel, not alloy. The gun did seem heavy but I didn't think it would be of completely different construction to bac's aluminum pistol. A magnet test confirmed that the heavy, high polish blued frame is in fact steel. :cool:

bac1023
07-20-2014, 11:32
Interesting development that I'll post here for the internet's #1 source of Top Gun info: the blued models (or maybe the later models) appear to be made of steel, not alloy. The gun did seem heavy but I didn't think it would be of completely different construction to bac's aluminum pistol. A magnet test confirmed that the heavy, high polish blued frame is in fact steel. :cool:

Yeah, I knew that the weight of yours was quite a bit different.

I'm glad we figured out it was steel before you did the video. :tongueout:

lifesizepotato
07-20-2014, 11:36
Yeah, I knew that the weight of yours was quite a bit different.

I'm glad we figured out it was steel before you did the video. :tongueout:

Yep, I'm embarrassed enough from being wrong on here and the Walther Forums. Duh, of course it was too heavy to be aluminum! :faint:

bac1023
07-20-2014, 11:44
Yep, I'm embarrassed enough from being wrong on here and the Walther Forums. Duh, of course it was too heavy to be aluminum! :faint:

No big deal. The problem with guns like this is not there is no information on them. Its left up to the few people who own them to figure everything out, which sucks.

racer88
07-20-2014, 13:42
Wow. That's one gorgeous pistol. Only one thing stands out (as a bit out of place) to me. I've only read the first page of the thread, so I don't know if it's already been said. It's the slot-head screws in the grips. The rest of the pistol is so finely machined and fitted. They just don't look right.

Nevertheless... I would enjoy fondling that pistol! :D

bac1023
07-20-2014, 14:20
Wow. That's one gorgeous pistol. Only one thing stands out (as a bit out of place) to me. I've only read the first page of the thread, so I don't know if it's already been said. It's the slot-head screws in the grips. The rest of the pistol is so finely machined and fitted. They just don't look right.

Nevertheless... I would enjoy fondling that pistol! :D

Just about all my high end handcrafted pistols have slot head grip screws. I wouldn't mind if they were a little smaller, but the standard screw itself goes well with the gun, in my opinion.

racer88
07-20-2014, 15:36
Just about all my high end handcrafted pistols have slot head grip screws. I wouldn't mind if they were a little smaller, but the standard screw itself goes well with the gun, in my opinion.

Well... there ya go! :cool:

Thanks for sharing your amazing collection. The rest of us can live vicariously through your posts. :supergrin:

bac1023
07-20-2014, 15:42
Well... there ya go! :cool:

Thanks for sharing your amazing collection. The rest of us can live vicariously through your posts. :supergrin:

Thanks

Glad you like the Delta AR. :)

lifesizepotato
07-23-2014, 17:56
Took the Top Gun out for the first time today. To be honest, I wasn't sure what to expect.

I was amazed at how well it shot. Here is a photo from my 3rd and 4th mags, 20 rounds total, at 15-16yds:

http://i.imgur.com/U6PsY2I.jpg

Every group looked like that. It was great. Despite it not having a trigger as crisp as my other precision shooters, I was shooting it just as well as them. :dunno:

Felt recoil didn't seem noticeably different from other 45s. Not softer, not harsher. It was very pleasant to shoot.

I put 150 rounds (all steel cased Wolf...I know, I know, I'll shoot good stuff next time) through it and the only reliability problems were that the slide would occasionally not fully return to battery. This may be due to the roller system and not being broken in (I believe the manual mentions a 1000-round break-in). A little shove on the rear of the slide would fix it, and it only happened every 20 rounds or so.

I can certainly understand why the gun won Pistol of the Year in 1998 - it was a very impressive experience at the range. The extreme rarity makes me hesitant to make it a regular shooter, but boy howdy will it be hard to resist after this afternoon's performance.

bac1023
07-23-2014, 19:44
Awesome. I'm not surprised it performed so well.

That's some great shooting indeed. :)

The Top Gun is such a cool piece. :cool:

colkid
07-23-2014, 23:09
What a beautiful gun with some nice checkering.Good pictures thank you.

colkid
07-23-2014, 23:12
bac1020--Agreed on the screws, but if I found one, that wouldn't stop me buying it.

lifesizepotato
07-24-2014, 00:00
If anyone's interested, I made a simple video montage of the Top Gun today:

Art - Delta AR Top Gun - YouTube

I'll try to do a video review in the next few weeks.

skeeter7
07-24-2014, 00:10
Beautiful pistols ya got there bac and LSP! Never saw or heard of it before and the trigger guard is indeed interesting. Nice find!

bac1023
07-24-2014, 04:35
bac1020--Agreed on the screws, but if I found one, that wouldn't stop me buying it.

No, but the price might. :tongueout:

bac1023
07-24-2014, 04:38
If anyone's interested, I made a simple video montage of the Top Gun today:

Art - Delta AR Top Gun - YouTube (http://youtu.be/k2ihjVk10aE)

I'll try to do a video review in the next few weeks.

Very nice

The music is fitting. :cool:

Diesel McBadass
07-24-2014, 14:41
Wow i was going to ask bad if he was lifesizepotato based on you guys always getting the same cool guns lol, great pics !

lifesizepotato
07-24-2014, 14:57
I'm just glad bac sticks to forums and doesn't make Youtube videos. He'd put me out of business! :tongueout:

bac1023
07-24-2014, 15:52
I'm just glad bac sticks to forums and doesn't make Youtube videos. He'd put me out of business! :tongueout:

:rofl:

Diesel McBadass
07-24-2014, 15:57
I'm just glad bac sticks to forums and doesn't make Youtube videos. He'd put me out of business! :tongueout:

keep up the vids!

bac1023
07-24-2014, 17:25
keep up the vids!

Speaking of videos, when are we going to see one on this exquisite firearm? :impatient: :sigh:


:supergrin::wavey:

Sigobsessed
07-26-2014, 19:21
Bac that is a beautiful piece and as usual great photos. Lsp that was a great video I can't wait to see the review.

bac1023
07-26-2014, 19:26
Bac that is a beautiful piece and as usual great photos. Lsp that was a great video I can't wait to see the review.

Thanks. I also look forward to the video...

nursetim
07-26-2014, 19:51
What is the vertical barrel thing above the trigger guard?

bac1023
07-26-2014, 20:00
What is the vertical barrel thing above the trigger guard?

Disassembly levers...

Ever see a CZ 52? Same thing, just much fancier on the Delta.

nursetim
07-27-2014, 16:29
So you unscrew it like a nut?

bac1023
07-27-2014, 16:42
So you unscrew it like a nut?

Are you referring to the two knurled levers on each side right above the trigger guard?

You just pull them down and sort of push and lift the slide off. It's pretty easy.