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GLOCK19FTW
01-27-2013, 12:39
I was 100% POSITIVE that I would be approved for my CWP.. But yesterday, instead of receiving my permit in the mail, I got a letter of denial that says this:

This will acknowledge receipt of your concealed weapons permit application and to notify you of the
denial of your application.

Investigation of your application revealed the XXXXXX County Sheriff's Office does not recommend receipt of a concealed weapons permit by you. SLED gives deference to such a recommendation.

Section 23-31-215(B) of the South Carolina Code of Laws, requires that SLED issue a permit if the applicant has a favorable background check. SLED policy consistently denies applications by persons who have been arrested and/or convicted of crimes or do not receive a favorable recommendation from the Sheriff.

Pursuant to Section 23-31-215(D), you may appeal this denial to Ben L. Moore, Lieutenant, c/o Regulatory Services Unit, PO Box 21398, Columbia, South Carolina 29221-1398. Your appeal must be in writing, contain the reasons you believe you were incorrectly denied a permit. This appeal must be received within thirty days of your receipt of this letter.

It is also your responsibility to contact the
Sheriff's Office in the county you reside in to ask for a positive recommendation by the Sheriff.This makes no sense.

I am NOT prohibited from buying or owning a firearm (obviously - I instantly pass the NICS whenever I buy a gun.)

I have no felony charges, no Domestic Violence charges, no DUI's, literally nothing that would prevent me from being approved.

After getting this letter, I decided to do some searching, and I found a site for public records in my county.

I found that I have a "pending" speeding ticket from Feb. 2011 - BUT here is the kicker:

It says I am black (I am white...)

It says I did not pay (I actually DID pay - keep reading for explanation)

There are TWO entries for that violation under the same case number.

One of them is correct, and it shows that I did pay. It has the receipt number for the payment, the clerk who took the payment, etc.

The second one (the wrong one that says I am black and that I did not pay) was entered in to their system 16 days AFTER I paid the ticket!!!

I don't understand why the Sheriff didn't notice that the one I supposedly never paid was incorrect and that I did actually pay.

Clearly this is their fault, not mine.

But now, it says I need a letter of approval from the Sheriff when I file my appeal..??

I plan on calling SLED and the Sheriff in the morning.

In the mean time, can someone shed some light on what kind of checks the Sheriff does (or is supposed to do) when considering CWP applications in SC?

Everything I'm finding says they just run a NICS check, which I obviously pass.. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to buy the guns in the first place.

I'm sure they do a local check in their system too tho - Which has wrong information right now because whoever entered it screwed up.

All it takes is a few clicks, and anybody with half a brain can see that the local record is incorrect.

So I am extremely confused here as to why I was denied.. I have never met the Sheriff, I've never done anything to him.. why would he deny me after I met all of the other requirements??

Can someone give some input?

bustedknee
01-27-2013, 13:31
You lied about being black!

I wouldn't trust you either. Hahahahahahahaha :animlol:

Did you also lie about being a US citizen?

:laughabove:





I was denied one time and invited to appeal. But just like your letter they did not say why,
I wrote a letter to the Director of Public Safety in that state and told him I fully plan to appeal because there was nothing in my record to prohibit my having a permit. But since they did not specify the reason for the denial my attorney and I would need more information.

However, if they would like to take a closer look at my record we can avoid the time and cost involved in the appeal.

My permit arrived within days followed by an apology letter and the promise to change their form letter to give the reason for denial.

I suspect this is standard procedure if don't really have a legal reason for denial but they don't want you to have a permit for some reason.

Lawyer up.

OldLincoln
01-27-2013, 13:37
My input is to call with a friendly positive attitude and discuss the two incidences stating there is an obvious data error and you understand that happens. You just want to get it corrected and then ask about what they can do to assist your appeal.

Someone made a clerical error and you happened to be on one side of it. Frustrating but stuff happens and be glad they didn't kick your door in looking for the other guy.

RussP
01-27-2013, 13:42
Your appeal must be in writing. Get all of the needed information together. Write the letter, make a copy of everything. Now, you can mail it, or you can hand carry it. If you hand carry, take the copy and have the person receiving the original sign the copy, every page, acknowledging receipt.

Hopefully, you'll talk to the LT. If not, be patient.

GLOCK19FTW
01-27-2013, 13:45
Thanks everyone who replied so far, makes me feel a little better knowing I'm not alone. lol

I really can't afford a lawyer to help with this, so I really hope it doesn't come to that.

I plan on calling & speaking with SLED & the Sheriff before I write my appeal, since I want to have as much information as possible for when I actually DO write it.

I'm not even sure that these errors are what caused the Sheriff to deny it, but that's the only thing I can think of.

Another thing I'm confused about though, is SC is a shall-issue state.

I read somewhere that if you meet all of the legal requirements, what the Sheriff says is irrelevant. They must issue the permit if you meet all requirements and you live in a shall-issue state.

Is that correct?

janice6
01-27-2013, 13:47
Clerical mistakes happen. Sorry that it screwed you, but do not hesitate to follow up and correct this as soon as you can.

If this bites you in the butt now for this reason, it may come back to hurt you even more in some other way in the future.......Get it cleared up. RussP is a good resource for guidance.

GLOCK19FTW
01-27-2013, 14:07
@Janice, definitely.

I'll also be calling the clerk of courts to have these errors removed from my record.

In a way, I'm kind of lucky that the Sheriff denied it - otherwise I NEVER would have needed to search the public records, which means I never would have found out about them..

I'm a firm believer that everything happens for a reason - If you guys/gals knew my story, you would understand why.

So I'm sure there was a reason to this.. and me finding out about these mistakes just might be that reason.

Louisville Glocker
01-27-2013, 14:11
Based on my exerience, you've gotten some good advice already. Because you were denied, you are going to have to file an appeal in writing.

I'd contact the sheriff first. Can you run down there, rather than phone. Face to face is best sometimes. Show him all of your paperwork (including the likely clerical error). It'd be nice to have a positive report from him when you submit the appeal.

Above all, keep a good positive attitude and be friendly. Nobody deserves to get chewed out for a clerical error, and sounds like that is what happened. Be good to the folks. They'll work with you.

And sorry, I don't know any specific laws there. Just make sure not to miss an appeal deadline if there is one.

(I'd turn you down too if you didn't pay your tickets!!!)

GLOCK19FTW
01-27-2013, 14:17
LOL yeah, I wouldn't approve someone who didn't pay their tickets either - but it is paid!

Someone just created a 2nd record for it 16 days AFTER I had already paid, and the 2nd record says I didn't (also says I'm black)

I'll definitely be polite, I mean its not the Sheriff's fault the clerk messed up. It is kinda his fault he didn't catch the error and I had to do their job for them, but whatever.. It happens.

Just sucks.. I was really excited to get that letter yesterday. Then my excitement turned to disappointment :(

I'm sure I'll get everything worked out, just a pain to have to go thru all of this.

Also, yeah I plan on calling first to see if this was even what made him not approve me in the first place. I'm just assuming this is it, since it looks like an unpaid ticket.

Once I find out what was the issue & have all of my proof & paperwork, then I'll set up a time to meet with him and hopefully get a letter of approval to include with my written appeal.

I just want to be sure that I have all the info I need first.

As for my previous question, does anybody know the answer to this one:

Another thing I'm confused about though, is SC is a shall-issue state.

I read somewhere that if you meet all of the legal requirements, what the Sheriff says is irrelevant. They must issue the permit if you meet all requirements and you live in a shall-issue state.

Is that correct?

ADK_40GLKr
01-27-2013, 14:38
I once had my auto insurance cancelled because they said I was a "SCOFFLAW" and hadn't paid a ticket. I went to see the judge, who looked back about 5 years in his records and found my receipt. He had failed to file that info with the state, so the state had no record of my paying the ticket.

I eventually was able to get my insurance coverage reinstated, because the judge was very cooperative.

I was glad I hadn't gotten nasty with him.:supergrin:

OTOH, they might have looked at your AVATAR. That would do it, in NY. :supergrin:

janice6
01-27-2013, 14:48
Above all. Be courteous with public officials. They can really stonewall you if you piss them off.

Public officials do not correct clerical mistakes. Clerks do, when following procedures and forms necessary for this. First you will get agreement from the officials that you have been wronged, then you will have to allow the paperwork to be completed, a beauracracy takes time to do anything.

Don't get frustrated, it may be tough to be patient, but you have everything to gain and nothing to lose by following the rules.

Bruce M
01-27-2013, 19:50
As suggested remain polite and the system will tend to work better. Based on you indicating that you have no charges, safe guess that that is the same as you have never been arrested?

Perhaps the other guy with (or using) the same name has an arrest record.

GLOCK19FTW
01-27-2013, 20:04
I've been in some trouble in the past, but nothing major or anything that would disqualify me. Obviously, since I pass the NICS instantly when I go to buy a gun.

Those "charges" however, were all due to pure stupidity from a teen.

All of them petty misdemeanors. Here is my entire record:

Driving without proof of insurance & not having a valid state license (forgot to transfer from original state when I moved)

Unlawful use of Telephone (I know it sounds like I "assaulted" someone with a phone, but I was actually arrested for swearing on the telephone. Yeah, apparently people get arrested for that.. lol) I have since learned my lesson.

2 seat belt violations - both from years ago. Trust me, I have since learned my lesson.

I don't even start my car until all passengers are wearing a seat belt. Automatic belts are not enough - lap belts must be worn before I will go anywhere, just for safety reasons.

And then a couple of speeding tickets (also from years ago)

EVERYTHING has been taken care of and paid though.

I turned myself in when they "wanted" me for swearing on the phone, so as not to waste taxpayers money by them looking for me.

I pay my tickets the same exact day that I get them, just to be sure that I don't forget.

I mean this just doesn't make sense.. I am a good person.

I don't know if this was a clerical error, or if someone might have my info and is using it when they need to :(

I just know that I am not prohibited from buying or owning a firearm. I have met all of the requirements, otherwise they would have said so.

I was under the impression that a petty misdemeanor will not have any effect on things. I was also under the impression that in a "shall-issue" state like SC, as long as I met the requirements, I did not require a Sheriff's approval..?

Either way, like I said I haven't done anything wrong! LOL I don't know why the Sheriff denied it.. I've never met the guy, I've never done anything to him!

Rev.357
01-27-2013, 20:19
Save your self some trouble! Get your info together, put it in writing & send it to SLED like the regulations say to! Give it 2wks, if you have not been contacted at this poiint then call & follow up.

Bruce M
01-27-2013, 20:28
I am not familiar with SC requirements but my first guess is traffic violations would not be an issue. I would guess the denial may stem from one or more of the misdemeanors. I would think one of the next steps would be to determine if they can deny based on an arrest record or if the denial has to be based on convictions. It is also quite possible that one or more Sheriffs have a policy of automatically denying any arrest record and then review and decide if there is an appeal.


I just read the quoted letter which indicates SLED consistently denies applications by persons who have been arrested. Sounds to me as though the issue may be with SLED instead of the Sheriff.

GLOCK19FTW
01-27-2013, 20:33
Anything I've ever done wrong, I've plead guilty to and then paid my fine that same exact day.

I've never even wasted the court's time trying to fight a seat belt or speeding ticket!

I can't see why an arrest record automatically disqualifies someone, since petty misdemeanors like this stuff have no effect.

And in order to get a petty misdemeanor there has to be an initial arrest or complaint.

So yea.. I just dont know what to think with this. LOL I AM trying to look at the bright side tho - perhaps I was denied so I could find out about these errors & address them before something major happens.

I'm sure I'll get it worked out, just kind of freaked out as to what I might find, after learning I have recently "become a black man" according to these records.. lol not being racist at all, just saying, I'm white.

That just screams possible identity theft to me.

Stlbrian
01-27-2013, 22:48
Anything I've ever done wrong, I've plead guilty to and then paid my fine that same exact day.

I've never even wasted the court's time trying to fight a seat belt or speeding ticket!

I can't see why an arrest record automatically disqualifies someone, since petty misdemeanors like this stuff have no effect.

And in order to get a petty misdemeanor there has to be an initial arrest or complaint.

So yea.. I just dont know what to think with this. LOL I AM trying to look at the bright side tho - perhaps I was denied so I could find out about these errors & address them before something major happens.

I'm sure I'll get it worked out, just kind of freaked out as to what I might find, after learning I have recently "become a black man" according to these records.. lol not being racist at all, just saying, I'm white.

That just screams possible identity theft to me.


I would for sure start with a polite phone call to the sheriff's office that issued the denial. They should be able to give you some more specific information about why you were denied, and what information you will need to provide them to get the decision reversed.

When I was denied, the sheriff told me I had outstanding charges in a local municipality, I of course did not. He wanted a certified copy of my arrest record from said municipality, that was devoid of said offense. PITA to try and prove I have not ever been charged in a crime. However, a full days worth of leg work, and around $20.00, and I had all the information he wanted. Still not sure why he couldn't call them and ask, but it got done. took another few days and he approved my CCW.

Polite was the key for me, that and I brought my cute as hell 3 year old daughter too... Shameless maybe, but man is she effective

Paul53
01-28-2013, 14:53
Ever date the Sherriff's daughter? :whistling:

GLOCK19FTW
01-28-2013, 14:57
lol nope, never dated his daughter.. never even met the guy.

BUT there is good news - after a round of phone-tag with every public office in this county, they WERE able to fix the record that said I was a black guy who didn't pay the ticket.

I have since checked the records again, and it is no longer on there.

So that shows that I am in good standing & have paid all of my tickets in the past.

Now I'm just waiting for the Sheriff's assistant to call me back. I spoke with her earlier, and she said she had just received my voicemail and that she was looking over everything, and she would call me once she figured out why it was denied.

Soooo.. just waiting for that call. lol if I don't hear from them today, I'll call again tomorrow. I don't wanna bug them, since it is possible that she hasn't seen or talked to the Sheriff yet.

igor
01-28-2013, 15:19
after 40 yrs of policing the only thing tht would raise a red flag for me would be the telephone misuse that might be it good luck

GLOCK19FTW
01-28-2013, 15:23
Could be, but it was a petty misdemeanor.. that shouldn't have any effect..

njl
01-28-2013, 15:48
You can be arrested for swearing on the phone?!? What did you say and to whom? Were you also prank calling?


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br9
01-28-2013, 15:54
I had a brother that used my name and birthday once. My other brother was in th car with him when it happened. Nothing ever came of it. After I was done with him I would like to think he never did again. I also am a chl holder with 2 tickets from back in 1987. They still show and didn't stop me from getting my chl.

Bren
01-28-2013, 16:08
So appeal and give them the information.

Is SC a may issue state? Because that was a "may issue law" letter.

Wikipedia says it's a "shall issue" state, but denying you based on lack of a positive recommendation from a sheriff is clearly "may issue" just like California or New York.

GLOCK19FTW
01-28-2013, 16:26
You can be arrested for swearing on the phone?!? What did you say and to whom? Were you also prank calling?


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No, it wasn't a prank call. It's a long story that I'm not proud of, but like I said I have since learned my lesson.
So appeal and give them the information.

Is SC a may issue state? Because that was a "may issue law" letter.

Wikipedia says it's a "shall issue" state, but denying you based on lack of a positive recommendation from a sheriff is clearly "may issue" just like California or New York.
That is exactly why I'm confused.

EVERYTHING I'm seeing, says that in a shall-issue state if you meet all of the requirements (which I do) then it does not matter what the sheriff says.

And yes, SC is a shall issue state.. this makes no sense at all man..

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/southcarolina.pdf

dosei
01-28-2013, 17:16
No, it wasn't a prank call. It's a long story that I'm not proud of, but like I said I have since learned my lesson.

That is exactly why I'm confused.

EVERYTHING I'm seeing, says that in a shall-issue state if you meet all of the requirements (which I do) then it does not matter what the sheriff says.

And yes, SC is a shall issue state.. this makes no sense at all man..

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/southcarolina.pdf

SC is indeed a shall issue state. As long as you meet the requirements, you shall be issued a permit. Here is the catch...a recommendation from the Sheriff is one of the requirements.
(B) Upon submission of the items required by subsection (A) of this section, SLED must conduct or facilitate a local, state, and federal fingerprint review of the applicant. SLED must also conduct a background check of the applicant through notification to and input from the sheriff of the county where the applicant resides or if the applicant is a qualified nonresident, where the applicant owns real property in this State. The sheriff within ten working days after notification by SLED, must submit a recommendation on an application. Before making a determination whether or not to issue a permit under this article, SLED must consider the recommendation provided pursuant to this subsection. The failure of the sheriff to submit a recommendation within the ten day period constitutes a favorable recommendation for the issuance of the permit to the applicant. If the fingerprint review and background check are favorable, SLED must issue the permit.
http://www.sled.sc.gov/SCStateGunLaws1.aspx?MenuID=CWP#6

GLOCK19FTW
01-28-2013, 17:47
Oh..

Alright, well looks like I'm back to trying to get in touch with them.

Question though, does it HAVE to be from the Sheriff? Or can his assistant do it as well?

Because where I'm at, everyone is saying not to hold my breath on getting in touch with the Sheriff or getting an appointment with him..

I spoke to his assistant earlier, who said she was looking in to it as we speak and that she would call me back - but she never called me back.. So I'll be trying again in the morning.

Also, I just got off the phone with the instructor from my CWP class, and even he is scratching his head at this.. He said to let him know how it turns out too. lol

This is just really stupid. I didn't spend the $125 for the class and the SLED paperwork for nothing...

bustedknee
01-28-2013, 18:03
I've been in some trouble in the past, but nothing major .... All of them petty misdemeanors. .... .... EVERYTHING has been taken care of and paid though.....I was under the impression that a petty misdemeanor will not have any effect on things. I was also under the impression that in a "shall-issue" state like SC, as long as I met the requirements, I did not require a Sheriff's approval..? ....

This is what I was talking about. Someone scans your record and from what they see, decide they would prefer you don't get a permit.
But without good reason to turn you down they leave it vague in hopes you will drop it. If you pursue it they will blame it on a clerical error and issue your permit.

"I have no money for a lawyer, I don't understand, its more trouble that its worth." Sound familiar?
And if there is a question mark on your record you will simply drop it.

Everything you do should be in writing.
Keep a copy of everything and make notes.
I still advise finding the money for a lawyer.

Lord
01-29-2013, 10:55
I was 100% POSITIVE that I would be approved for my CWP.. But yesterday, instead of receiving my permit in the mail, I got a letter of denial that says this:

This makes no sense.

I am NOT prohibited from buying or owning a firearm (obviously - I instantly pass the NICS whenever I buy a gun.)

I have no felony charges, no Domestic Violence charges, no DUI's, literally nothing that would prevent me from being approved.

After getting this letter, I decided to do some searching, and I found a site for public records in my county.

I found that I have a "pending" speeding ticket from Feb. 2011 - BUT here is the kicker:

It says I am black (I am white...)

It says I did not pay (I actually DID pay - keep reading for explanation)

There are TWO entries for that violation under the same case number.

One of them is correct, and it shows that I did pay. It has the receipt number for the payment, the clerk who took the payment, etc.

The second one (the wrong one that says I am black and that I did not pay) was entered in to their system 16 days AFTER I paid the ticket!!!

I don't understand why the Sheriff didn't notice that the one I supposedly never paid was incorrect and that I did actually pay.

Clearly this is their fault, not mine.

But now, it says I need a letter of approval from the Sheriff when I file my appeal..??

I plan on calling SLED and the Sheriff in the morning.

In the mean time, can someone shed some light on what kind of checks the Sheriff does (or is supposed to do) when considering CWP applications in SC?

Everything I'm finding says they just run a NICS check, which I obviously pass.. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to buy the guns in the first place.

I'm sure they do a local check in their system too tho - Which has wrong information right now because whoever entered it screwed up.

All it takes is a few clicks, and anybody with half a brain can see that the local record is incorrect.

So I am extremely confused here as to why I was denied.. I have never met the Sheriff, I've never done anything to him.. why would he deny me after I met all of the other requirements??

Can someone give some input?

Aside from what everyone else has posted, I have had some experience with this.

I'm in TX and my friend had taken the class and submitted his app. Months later, no license. So we started checking. Turns out, there was someone else in another state (LA) that had the same name and was a career criminal. My friend is black, and the criminal is white. once that was cleared up for him, the state issued the license. Obviously it's a case of mistaken identity and that's what you have to clear up. Once you do, there should be no problem afterward, especially if your state is a shall issue

B.Reid
01-29-2013, 11:18
Hope it all works out.

Gunnut 45/454
01-29-2013, 11:40
Lord
Naw I say it more like Identity theft! The OP said this guy shows up under his SSAN as all court records are tied to SSAN! He needs to go and do what is require -submit a write appeal- no lawyer required. Document all that he has found- I'd also request a face to face with the Sherrif.:supergrin:

GLOCK19FTW
01-29-2013, 11:46
Lord
Naw I say it more like Identity theft! The OP said this guy shows up under his SSAN as all court records are tied to SSAN! He needs to go and do what is require -submit a write appeal- no lawyer required. Document all that he has found- I'd also request a face to face with the Sherrif.:supergrin:
I already got the incorrect record removed, just took a game of phone-tag.

I spoke to the Sheriff's assistant earlier this morning, she said there were no notes, nothing at all for the denial on the paper. It only said that it was denied, but gave no reasons why.

I also found out that it was denied by the PREVIOUS Sheriff (he was voted out for corruption, and over half of his staff has been fired. LOL)

Anyway, the assistant said that she was going to resubmit the application to the new Sheriff, since obviously there is no reason why I should have been denied by the previous guy.

I'm still waiting for her or someone to call me back, if I don't hear from them by 4pm I'll be calling them again.

All I need is for the Sheriff's office to fax the approval to SLED. Then I will call SLED to find out if I can just do this over the phone & get them to send out my permit, since once it is approved, obviously there is nothing left to appeal.. lol wish me luck!

GLOCK19FTW
01-29-2013, 15:07
Alright, just a quick update for anyone who might be following this:

I spoke with the Sheriff, he said he's not sure why the previous Sheriff denied it, but he has no problem approving it if everything checks out (obviously it does/will, lol) and he said he would call me back by tomorrow at the latest to let me know once he faxes in the approval to SLED.

SO - Now my question is:

Once he faxes the approval to them, would a written appeal still be necessary?

I mean, once he approves it, there is nothing to appeal.. lol that was the only thing I needed to get.

I plan on calling SLED tomorrow to ask them, but in the mean time I figured I'd see what you guys think.

dosei
01-29-2013, 15:43
It is a legal process...which means things must be done in a certain way and in a certain order or else nothing happens. I would submit the appeal and call SLED to notify them that an appeal was being submitted. I would pay to have the appeal sent via registered mail with full tracking and signature for receipt.

glocktecher
01-29-2013, 21:28
Out of curiosity, if a CCW is denied, do they come after your pistols or rifles?

What are they saying exactly?

GLOCK19FTW
01-29-2013, 22:51
Out of curiosity, if a CCW is denied, do they come after your pistols or rifles?

What are they saying exactly?
LOL hell no dude.. If denied you just aren't permitted to carry it concealed. They aren't coming for your guns...

Now, as for what they are saying, I posted an update earlier.

I spoke with the Sheriff and he said he has no problem approving it as long as everything checks out (obviously it will.. I've done nothing wrong) and he said he doesn't know why the previous Sheriff (who was voted out due to corruption) denied it, since I meet all of the other requirements.

I'm like 99.99% positive that the previous Sheriff denied it due to the incorrect records. I explained all of that to the new Sheriff.

I'll post back with another update once I get one tho. He said he would call me by tomorrow at the latest, if not, I'll call him back. He seems like a really good guy, I don't understand why people are "hating" on him in this county..

Adjuster
01-29-2013, 23:59
I'm curious at the time you were swearing on the phone were you also threatening or intimidating someone? I know if I was the one that approved carry permits I would have issue with making threats or intimidation.


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Bren
01-30-2013, 05:15
SC is indeed a shall issue state. As long as you meet the requirements, you shall be issued a permit. Here is the catch...a recommendation from the Sheriff is one of the requirements.

http://www.sled.sc.gov/SCStateGunLaws1.aspx?MenuID=CWP#6

Yeah, but that is still "may issue." Same as California and all those yankee states. Too bad for you guys. I recalll they were also the last state in the south to accept others permits.

Bren
01-30-2013, 05:16
Alright, just a quick update for anyone who might be following this:

I spoke with the Sheriff, he said he's not sure why the previous Sheriff denied it, but he has no problem approving it if everything checks out (obviously it does/will, lol) and he said he would call me back by tomorrow at the latest to let me know once he faxes in the approval to SLED.

SO - Now my question is:

Once he faxes the approval to them, would a written appeal still be necessary?


Probably - otherwise, SLED is probably not required to take any further action and can ignore the approval - just a guess.

uhlawpup
01-30-2013, 06:00
I see situations like this frequently. Clerks are human, and humans make mistakes.

When someone leaves one of my courts, I always try to remind them to keep their paperwork FOREVER. You never know when a problem like this might crop up, and it is easily resolved when you have the paperwork at hand.

As far as mistaken identity, I had to get one of those resolution control numbers to give to the airlines when I book a ticket. Why? Well, even though I have had to go through a total of three background checks to be an attorney, I have a concealed permit, and even had a complete check done years ago by the State Department when I applied for a job, I have a common name, and one of us in on the no fly list.

GLOCK19FTW
01-30-2013, 09:31
I'm curious at the time you were swearing on the phone were you also threatening or intimidating someone? I know if I was the one that approved carry permits I would have issue with making threats or intimidation./

LOL ok I'll explain. I wasn't threatening anybody or trying to intimidate anyone.

Its a long story but here goes.. About 7 years ago, I was stopped at a railroad track, about 5 cars back.

The train passed by, the gates went up, and the 4 people in front of me crossed. Now, the location of the railroad tracks makes it IMPOSSIBLE to see if it's clear in both directions, until you are actually ON the track, due to a huge building to the right.

The car I was driving at the time was a straight-up BEATER. lol literally falling apart.

So anyway, I'm coming up to the railroad tracks to cross, and the gate comes down and busts my windshield. Turns out, there was a 2nd train about 50 feet behind the first one.

In my opinion, the gate never should have went up in the first place. But that isn't important.

I got a police report, I took photos of the damage, I sent in a copy of my insurance policy, my drivers license, a written statement as to what happened, literally everything they asked for - and I sent it to the train company's insurance department.

I just wanted to be reimbursed a measly $190 for a new windshield. Nothing more.

So anyway, I get a letter from the insurance department a week later, saying that it was my fault, and I shouldn't have been trying to out-run the train.

I flipped. If you could see that old car, you would understand why. That thing wasn't outrunning a yugo, let alone a train.

So I made the stupid decision to call the insurance department, and since nobody answered, I left a voicemail. Yep... stupid move.

On the recording, I said something along the lines of:

"This is *****in BS, I sent you everything you asked for, I even included photos of the location to show that there is a huge building blocking the view of the tracks. I'll see you in court, b*tch."

And sure enough.. I did see them in court.. Just not how I was hoping. LOL

But like I said, I learned my lesson.

Gunnut 45/454
01-30-2013, 11:30
GLOCK19FTW
Good to hear, yes I'd Call SLED and make sure they still don't need the written appeal on record!:supergrin:

FireForged
01-30-2013, 12:13
I am just a joe citizen layman with no experience in these matters but it could be that the person who reviews backgrounds has found information for someone with similar name, dob, ss number or slight variation of both. This "reviewer" may not want to say that it is you or isnt you and could have set the decision aside to have clairification from you directly.

Patchman
01-30-2013, 14:54
I'd contact the sheriff first. Can you run down there, rather than phone. Face to face is best sometimes. Show him all of your paperwork (including the likely clerical error). It'd be nice to have a positive report from him when you submit the appeal.


^^^ This.

For starters, show them the part of the public site that says you're "black." Then ask if this is really you (obviously a mistake), or if this is another individual with the same information as you.

GLOCK19FTW
01-30-2013, 14:55
For starters, show them the part of the public site that says you're "black." Then ask if this is really you (obviously a mistake), or if this is another individual with the same information as you.
lol I already got that removed from the records. Just took a few phone calls & some hilarious dialogue. The woman on the phone busted out laughing when I told her it said I was black.

Now I'm just waiting for the Sheriff to call me back. Yesterday when I spoke to him, he said he would get back to me today at the latest.

If I don't hear from him today, I'll give him a call first thing in the morning. I don't wanna bug him, I'm sure he's got a lot of real work to get done. lol

SpringerTGO
01-30-2013, 17:58
I think they were discriminating against you because you are black. :rofl:
I'll bet if you got the NAACP on it you'd have your permit tomorrow.

Laslo
01-30-2013, 20:50
It's good to hear that things are working out for you. I want to echo what other people have mentioned and that is, be polite and courteous, it's amazing how fast a situation can be remedied when you behave nicely.

On a similar note, I had an instance that was somewhat similar. I was applying for a job and had something come up on a reference check. Thankfully I had obtained a level one security clearance after the incident in question and and doing so proved a mistake was made by a previous employer.

I strongly suggest that everyone should have their background checked, so mistakes can be cleared up. Computers are great, but if someone makes a mistake entering data, that mistake could cost you in many ways.

Laslo

SCmasterblaster
01-31-2013, 09:01
You lied about being black!

I wouldn't trust you either. Hahahahahahahaha :animlol:

Did you also lie about being a US citizen?

:laughabove:





I was denied one time and invited to appeal. But just like your letter they did not say why,
I wrote a letter to the Director of Public Safety in that state and told him I fully plan to appeal because there was nothing in my record to prohibit my having a permit. But since they did not specify the reason for the denial my attorney and I would need more information.

However, if they would like to take a closer look at my record we can avoid the time and cost involved in the appeal.

My permit arrived within days followed by an apology letter and the promise to change their form letter to give the reason for denial.

I suspect this is standard procedure if don't really have a legal reason for denial but they don't want you to have a permit for some reason.

Lawyer up.


So you don't have any felony convictions, but do you have any misdemeanor convictions?

GLOCK19FTW
01-31-2013, 10:46
Yeah just the petty misdemeanors I posted before, thats all.

SCmasterblaster
01-31-2013, 11:32
Yeah just the petty misdemeanors I posted before, thats all.

Well the Misd convictions are probably why the Police Chief denied your permit.

GLOCK19FTW
01-31-2013, 11:34
I doubt it, they are from like 5-6 years ago.

All I've gotten in trouble for in the last 4 years, is 2 seatbelt violations and a speeding ticket, and all of that is paid.

I just called the Sheriff's office again, but they are out to lunch. So I just left a message.

If I don't hear back from them by 1:30 I'll try again.

gdlzzz
01-31-2013, 11:52
Did it take the 90 days to get the initial denial? like everyone says. I'm in day 70... tick tock tick tock.

SCmasterblaster
01-31-2013, 11:53
I doubt it, they are from like 5-6 years ago.

All I've gotten in trouble for in the last 4 years, is 2 seatbelt violations and a speeding ticket, and all of that is paid.

I just called the Sheriff's office again, but they are out to lunch. So I just left a message.

If I don't hear back from them by 1:30 I'll try again.

Good luck. I still say that the Chief denied the permit because of the misd convictions.

GLOCK19FTW
01-31-2013, 11:56
Did it take the 90 days to get the initial denial? like everyone says. I'm in day 70... tick tock tick tock.
Got it after about 77 days.

gdlzzz
01-31-2013, 11:57
Good luck to you, hopefully Ole' Chuck Wright will do me right. I'll be looking in the mail daily.

GlocknSpiehl
01-31-2013, 12:02
Just a suggestion, but be sure to send nice thank you letters to everyone who helped you in this process, including the sheriff. I would send them now, even though you are still waiting. It never hurts to be polite and a nice letter goes a long way with keeping good relationships.

bustedknee
01-31-2013, 16:43
Just a suggestion, but be sure to send nice thank you letters to everyone who helped you in this process, including the sheriff. I would send them now, even though you are still waiting. It never hurts to be polite and a nice letter goes a long way with keeping good relationships.

If you were in North Carolina I would suggest putting a $20 bill in each envelope.

Or Salem, VA. :animlol:

GLOCK19FTW
02-13-2013, 13:37
Oops, I forgot about this thread - Here's an update for anyone who was following my story:

Sheriff's office emailed and faxed in the approval, and SLED says that since the approval was the only thing I needed (I met all other requirements) I don't have to send in any written appeal. I figured that would be the case, since obviously once that is approved, there is nothing left to appeal. lol

Surprisingly, everything was done over the phone.. I didn't have to go anywhere to get it straightened out, just took a couple weeks of playing phone tag with everyone.

Which is great for me, because my car is in desperate need of a tune-up and my wife works almost every day.

So yeah, just wanted to post an update for everyone!

Thanks to everyone who participated in this thread & gave advice, I really appreciated all the help & suggestions! :)