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garya1961
01-28-2013, 22:31
Machine gun fire from military helicopters flying over downtown Miami Fl. - YouTube

They seem to be practicing for an attact on US citizens. They actually are firing blanks at the people.
Here's some more in Houston.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8971311
Here's some more in St Louis.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/324989/3/Dont-be-
Strange.

glockman045
01-28-2013, 23:46
nothing to worry about just good little soldiers preparing for your reaction when real food costs as much as your daughters cell phone bill.

Cavalry Doc
01-29-2013, 04:57
:rofl:

So, you have no idea what is going on, but don't let that stop you from assuming the worst. Maybe they were just chasing Jason Borne?

I'll wait for the AAR.



I'd imagine that this will have to be explained.

happyguy
01-29-2013, 05:01
With all the tinfoilers out there, doing low level stafing runs with guns loaded with blanks sounds kind of dangerous to me. Some GNGer who didn't get the warning might return fire.

Edit: The Navy used to do landings on the Silver Strand in San Diego and they included simulated strafing runs (with charges set in the sand to simulate the impact of the projectiles), lots of smoke and explosions, landing craft full of Marines hitting the beach, and they even blew up some bunkers with satchel charges. They also invited the public to watch from the highway (pretty close actually). I'm here to tell you it was an awesome show for an 11 year old boy to watch.
:thumbsup::patriot:

Regards,
Comrade Happyguy :)

Ruble Noon
01-29-2013, 05:04
Desensitizing the populace.

walt cowan
01-29-2013, 05:09
With all the tinfoilers out there, doing low level stafing runs with guns loaded with blanks sounds kind of dangerous to me. Some GNGer who didn't get the warning might return fire.

Regards,
Comrade Happyguy :)

seems the military leadership is testing the limits of darwin,:rofl::wavey:

happyguy
01-29-2013, 05:17
Wasn't there a big boohoo when the Bush Admin flew Air Force One over NY at a low level? But there is nothing but silence from the left when the Obama Admin does straffing runs over Miami and Houston.

The difference in the reaction is interesting to say the least.

Regards,
Comrade Happyguy :)

Cavalry Doc
01-29-2013, 05:42
Wasn't there a big boohoo when the Bush Admin flew Air Force One over NY at a low level? But there is nothing but silence from the left when the Obama Admin does straffing runs over Miami and Houston.

The difference in the reaction is interesting to say the least.

Regards,
Comrade Happyguy :)

It was Barry that had AF 1 do the New York fly by.


List a list of assumptions so far. It was gunfire? It was blank? It came from the choppers? Then of course all the mission goals.

There will be no stopping the conspiracy theories from this one.

But to dispel one....in riots, the authorities pull back and leave people to their own devices. Anarchy happens in the middle. There are plenty of past and fairly recent examples. Maybe an extraction, but an all out assault doesn't really happen, they clash a bit at the edges, that's about it.

jeanderson
01-29-2013, 05:49
Actually, the thing I found interesting was the reporter calling the helicopters "military-style choppers". Sounds like the press is overusing the term "military-style" a little, don't you think?

... Now where could that have come from? :headscratch:

JBnTX
01-29-2013, 06:10
Desensitizing the populace.


You'll soon not pay any attention to the "military style" helicopters hovering above every American city.

..

Cavalry Doc
01-29-2013, 06:22
You'll soon not pay any attention to the "military style" helicopters hovering above every American city.

..

I have apaches and Blackhawks over my house more days than not. My friend/threat detector chip still works, no problem. I see a HIND, and my heart might skip a beat. I see a F-16, no big. I pay close attention to MIGs.

garya1961
01-29-2013, 08:55
Why Miami and Houston and not Chicago and New York? I think it may be a show of power. You see boys when I come to get your guns there is no need to resist.

garya1961
01-29-2013, 08:57
:rofl:

So, you have no idea what is going on, but don't let that stop you from assuming the worst. Maybe they were just chasing Jason Borne?

I'll wait for the AAR.



I'd imagine that this will have to be explained.
Riff?

Cavalry Doc
01-29-2013, 10:30
Riff?

:headscratch:

steveksux
01-29-2013, 12:16
Actually, the thing I found interesting was the reporter calling the helicopters "military-style choppers". Sounds like the press is overusing the term "military-style" a little, don't you think?

... Now where could that have come from? :headscratch:

First it was the police being militarized... Now the military is being militarized, is there no hope for freedom????? : whistling:

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Ruble Noon
01-29-2013, 16:33
You'll soon not pay any attention to the "military style" helicopters hovering above every American city.

..

I'm sure people will get acclimated to these types of things, question is, will the soldiers? Are these training missions used to get the soldiers acclimated to shooting at us?

garya1961
01-29-2013, 16:43
:headscratch:
Sorry, guess I have the wrong Filer, lol.

Cavalry Doc
01-29-2013, 17:41
Sorry, guess I have the wrong Filer, lol.

Riff, wrong Filer? WTF?


Is this one of those "The man has a long mustache, repeat, the man has a long mustache, the chair is against the wall" moments????

Cavalry Doc
01-29-2013, 17:47
I'm sure people will get acclimated to these types of things, question is, will the soldiers? Are these training missions used to get the soldiers acclimated to shooting at us?

My stock in Tinfoil companies is booming. Thanks guys. I'll be able to retire in a week or so.


I know you guys just see military members as stormtroopers, but they are just us, maybe even better. They join to risk an awful lot for us. They have to go home some day. All of them know they will eventually be just "Joe Civilian" like me someday too. No one stays on active duty forever.

I guess there is no stopping the tinfoil tornado this will cause.


I am curious, this is just about as smart as Barry having AF1 buzz the Statue of Liberty. I'd have broadcast the training exercise well in advance, and allowed spectators. I'm not sure why blanks would need to be used unless they were using MILES gear and trying to hit a specific target.

Yes, our military needs to know how to operate in an urban environment, and even how to cooperate with local law enforcement. I know you guys don't thing attacks can happen on US Soil, but we've had a few of them since pearl harbor that some have forgotten.

You guys can be paranoid if you like, but I'm going to believe our military is on our side until proven wrong. But hey, that's only because I know better. No big.

garya1961
01-29-2013, 18:11
:rofl:

So, you have no idea what is going on, but don't let that stop you from assuming the worst. Maybe they were just chasing Jason Borne?

I'll wait for the AAR.



I'd imagine that this will have to be explained.

I thought you were referring to JasonB on the falFiles.

When the US government start shooting blanks at US citizens, it's time to get out the tinfoil.

Ruble Noon
01-29-2013, 18:20
My stock in Tinfoil companies is booming. Thanks guys. I'll be able to retire in a week or so.


I know you guys just see military members as stormtroopers, but they are just us, maybe even better. They join to risk an awful lot for us. They have to go home some day. All of them know they will eventually be just "Joe Civilian" like me someday too. No one stays on active duty forever.

I guess there is no stopping the tinfoil tornado this will cause.


I am curious, this is just about as smart as Barry having AF1 buzz the Statue of Liberty. I'd have broadcast the training exercise well in advance, and allowed spectators. I'm not sure why blanks would need to be used unless they were using MILES gear and trying to hit a specific target.

Yes, our military needs to know how to operate in an urban environment, and even how to cooperate with local law enforcement. I know you guys don't thing attacks can happen on US Soil, but we've had a few of them since pearl harbor that some have forgotten.

You guys can be paranoid if you like, but I'm going to believe our military is on our side until proven wrong. But hey, that's only because I know better. No big.

Tinfoil? Maybe, maybe not but, I'm not going to pretend that everyone wearing a uniform is a saint or even a halfway good guy.

http://gangsinthemilitary.net/

Obama to Top Brass: Will you fire on American Citizens? - YouTube

juggy4711
01-29-2013, 18:21
Our military has no need to practice operating on US soil unless it is with in the confines of the Insurrection Act. Wonder why the leadership feels the need for them to do so at this time?

Ruble Noon
01-29-2013, 18:29
Our military has no need to practice operating on US soil unless it is with in the confines of the Insurrection Act. Wonder why the leadership feels the need for them to do so at this time?

We have built cities to resemble what our military would encounter in the mid east so that they could train realistically. So, realistically what are they training for when flying over our cities and pretend shooting Americans?

juggy4711
01-29-2013, 18:36
We have built cities to resemble what our military would encounter in the mid east so that they could train realistically. So, realistically what are they training for when flying over our cities and pretend shooting Americans?

Got me but I'm guessing it involves a lot of tin foil. Speaking of, I knew this country was doomed when we started making tin foil out of aluminum.

Cavalry Doc
01-29-2013, 18:44
Tinfoil? Maybe, maybe not but, I'm not going to pretend that everyone wearing a uniform is a saint or even a halfway good guy.

http://gangsinthemilitary.net/

Obama to Top Brass: Will you fire on American Citizens? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzT6X3_Bg9o)

Having worked in a military confinement facility (prison), with all the inmates being military, I wouldn't want you to pretend 100% of the military is 100% good. They have their heroes and zeros like everyone else. The organization leans toward the country, and not toward blindly following orders.

The average military guy is a good guy. The average military leader is a good guy. That's all.

If ordered to strafe your town with machine gun fire, expect the guys with a problem with that in the ranks to be noticeable.

Cavalry Doc
01-29-2013, 18:47
I thought you were referring to JasonB on the falFiles.

When the US government start shooting blanks at US citizens, it's time to get out the tinfoil.

Question: Did the US Military fire blanks at US civilians?


Really? Or is that an assumption.

scottyd2506
01-29-2013, 18:53
Tinfoil? Maybe, maybe not but, I'm not going to pretend that everyone wearing a uniform is a saint or even a halfway good guy.

http://gangsinthemilitary.net/

Obama to Top Brass: Will you fire on American Citizens? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzT6X3_Bg9o)


Makes sense!

If Obama gets the gun bills passed, and certain state governess and legislatures make state laws that make any federal government involvement of gun seizure illegal.

How do you think Berry will react?

Governor Wallice backed down in 1963 when Kennedy sent in the National Guard.

Other Governors may not back down.

What if a Governor has many armed police with Ar-15's?
And more so, what if most the county Sheriffs in a state backs up the governor, deputizes many armed citizens to stand ground. the Army isn't going to win with 5000 troops vs a million armed police and citizens with Ar-15's etc.

Obama is ready for a civil war.
The writing is on the wall, why does he want commanders who would fire on American citizens?

Obama has been warned by Governors, state officials and Sheriff's that his unconstitutional laws will not work on their grounds. And he is not going to back down.

I know even vs even, there is no way to beat the US army, but with enough numbers.. That is why Obama would use advanced military weapons, to even the offs out.

I know what some of you are thinking. This is impossible. He would be impeached immediately!!! Not so. The media would not even cover it. and if they did, it would be twisted to a tune of citizens fire on US troops and they had to retaliate. The media would make the governor and officials look like they went bad and had to be removed by force (deadly force).


Not sure if all this could or will happen, but I'm sure like us, Obama has thought it through. and would like to force his will if he could get by with it.

Right now Obama has his boys out in full force trying to bribe threaten and do anything to convince the no voters in congress and senate to side with him on the gun bill. if it gets passed, and any state governments resist. Guess what?


Give to the NRA
money talks

Cavalry Doc
01-29-2013, 18:53
We have built cities to resemble what our military would encounter in the mid east so that they could train realistically. So, realistically what are they training for when flying over our cities and pretend shooting Americans?

Not really. We have built small clusters of buildings, and then just the walls and open windows without glass.

Hollywood spends a lot more on a movie set than most MOUT sites.

http://www.usarak.army.mil/range/images/Baumeister_(MOUT)/MOUT%20Site%20Overview_Lg.jpg

None of that can compare with cooperation with local law enforcement either.




Oh well, you guys can pretend that the worst is coming, and to be honest, I think you should prepare for the worst. I am.

In the end, I am positive today, that you will, be pleasantly surprised with the quality of young men and women in our military. I'd expect a Military Coup d'état, or a simple refusal and reporting of the order to the congress before that order was followed.

JP22
01-29-2013, 19:05
I'm sure they'd have no problem with US citizens firing back with blanks, or even just dry firing at them to get experience for what could happen.

Ruble Noon
01-29-2013, 19:18
Not really. We have built small clusters of buildings, and then just the walls and open windows without glass.

Hollywood spends a lot more on a movie set than most MOUT sites.

http://www.usarak.army.mil/range/images/Baumeister_(MOUT)/MOUT%20Site%20Overview_Lg.jpg

None of that can compare with cooperation with local law enforcement either.




Oh well, you guys can pretend that the worst is coming, and to be honest, I think you should prepare for the worst. I am.

In the end, I am positive today, that you will, be pleasantly surprised with the quality of young men and women in our military. I'd expect a Military Coup d'état, or a simple refusal and reporting of the order to the congress before that order was followed.

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Cavalry Doc
01-29-2013, 19:29
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When it happens, I'll be on the side of the civilians, until then, I'm thinking some here need to enter a competition or something.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_V42VYR5Po_0/TKeRQ6PwVRI/AAAAAAAAAQg/r84Cl7ozgWU/s320/tinfoil+hat.jpg

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Ruble Noon
01-29-2013, 19:33
When it happens, I'll be on the side of the civilians, until then, I'm thinking some here need to enter a competition or something.


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History, Doc. History. Learn from it.


BTW, I'm pretty good at origami.

Cavalry Doc
01-29-2013, 19:39
History, Doc. History. Learn from it.


BTW, I'm pretty good at origami.

Oh, I have. Hell, I've been a part of it a few times.

I've also been there, and there is a very strong feeling in the military that we serve the people of the United States.

Expect a fracture of the military if what you are afraid of happens.

I can do what I can, you do what you can too. We'll have to wait and see, but one of us is gonna sleep pretty well tonight not worrying about the OP and a tiny bit of training.

mj9mm
01-29-2013, 19:44
my guess is it was barry "doing some skeet shooting":rofl:

juggy4711
01-29-2013, 19:46
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Eisenhower, Patton and MacArthur. The cream of the crop. We've been lied to for so long, its a wonder there are any of us left that see through it.

Cavalry Doc
01-29-2013, 19:48
my guess is it was barry "doing some skeet shooting":rofl:

How many tags do you think he filled??

juggy4711
01-29-2013, 20:03
I don't believe the troops burning the Bonus Army thought, jeez this seems wrong, we are going against our own people but we are going to do it anyway.

When it goes down again, and it will, the troops enforcing tyranny will be certain that they are serving the people.

Some will sleep well thinking it can't happen again. I'll sleep well knowing I could never be a part of it.

Cavalry Doc
01-29-2013, 20:15
I don't believe the troops burning the Bonus Army thought, jeez this seems wrong, we are going against our own people but we are going to do it anyway.

When it goes down again, and it will, the troops enforcing tyranny will be certain that they are serving the people.

Some will sleep well thinking it can't happen again. I'll sleep well knowing I could never be a part of it.


I couldn't either. Not on active duty or as I currently am, retired.

juggy4711
01-29-2013, 20:27
I couldn't either. Not on active duty or as I currently am, retired.

Thank God for that.

Cavalry Doc
01-30-2013, 04:44
Thank God for that.

Well, you've got at least two things you are coyly trying to say, care to expand?

Times change, I've seen unlawful orders given and refused by 10,000 troops. Have you?

jlavallee
01-30-2013, 10:41
Expect a fracture of the military if what you are afraid of happens.


Surely, if it ever gets going nation wide, much of the military will not follow orders when it means firing on Americans. That said, we had a lot of them taking firearms from people who simply wanted to defend their homes and selves during Katrina.

Every US person involved with those crimes should have been criminally charged but they weren't. How many decided not to follow those unconstitutional orders? I don't recall hearing of any and what kind of a person disarms a poor soul trying to protect what little they have left? I used to have faith but the lack of protest to the Patriot Act, NDAA, TSA, DHS and undeclared constant war has worn away a lot of it. It often comes down to the day as I see some positive things occasionally but more often I am disgusted by what most have become.

juggy4711
01-30-2013, 20:20
Well, you've got at least two things you are coyly trying to say, care to expand?

Times change, I've seen unlawful orders given and refused by 10,000 troops. Have you?

Nothing coy about it. I sincerely am thankful you would do no such thing. You should know by now that if I wanted to bust your balls I would come right out and do so.

No I have not and I hope you're right that a repeat of the Bonus Army incident would not happen.

Cavalry Doc
01-31-2013, 04:47
Surely, if it ever gets going nation wide, much of the military will not follow orders when it means firing on Americans. That said, we had a lot of them taking firearms from people who simply wanted to defend their homes and selves during Katrina.

Every US person involved with those crimes should have been criminally charged but they weren't. How many decided not to follow those unconstitutional orders? I don't recall hearing of any and what kind of a person disarms a poor soul trying to protect what little they have left? I used to have faith but the lack of protest to the Patriot Act, NDAA, TSA, DHS and undeclared constant war has worn away a lot of it. It often comes down to the day as I see some positive things occasionally but more often I am disgusted by what most have become.

You had some national guard maybe, maybe police in BDU's but I was there when 1st Cav and 82nd ABN refused to either forcibly evacuate or confiscate weapons from civilians. Seems that's all the governor and mayor wanted us to do. So we really didn't do much but clear some trees and truck in food and water.

Cavalry Doc
01-31-2013, 04:53
Nothing coy about it. I sincerely am thankful you would do no such thing. You should know by now that if I wanted to bust your balls I would come right out and do so.

No I have not and I hope you're right that a repeat of the Bonus Army incident would not happen.

Times change. Back then, did they have to have sexual harassment classes and considerations of others classes every 90 days? It's not the same army. Anyway, I'm all for vigilance, but not for mischaracterizing a few hundred thousand guys that are risking quite a bit while spending their youth in service to the nation. If it happens, then I'll convict them in my mind too. Not before.

RussP
01-31-2013, 07:54
Wait 'til all y'all see those scenes on CSI-Miami.

Hey, that's better than some conspiracy theories here.

Training in the actual environment you may be working in is critical for pilots.

Or, would you rather they wait until an emergency arises involving real terrorists with real bullets and bombs?

That's right, THAT won't happen AGAIN?

No, they are practicing among high rise building in Miami where American gun owners in Florida will hold up to hold off the feds when they come to confiscate firearms.

garya1961
01-31-2013, 09:41
Martial law coming to a town near you. Sponsored by the committee to re-elect King Bunco.

EOS
01-31-2013, 10:52
Like I said in a previous thread, the military trains for these scenarios of American unrest or uprising. They are training for if/when the foodstampers stop getting money and get pissed and start rioting.

Also like I've said before, while most Americans were feeling warm, fuzzy and patriotic when the TSA was created, when the patriot act was passed, when we built a larger military than we would ever need unless planning global conquest or bringing martial law to our own people, the deck was already being stacked.

We've empowered the government to simulate and train for scenarios
of violence against Americans. It's what governments always do. They start out nice and small and friendly, but always grow to be massive institutions of violence and coercion, and Americans have praised the entire process. They praise government violence against those whom they disagree with or differ from without a single consideration that they are inviting the government to use the same violence against them. I hope if another American revolution happens it is more idealogical or philosophical, because we do not want to go up against that beast that is the US government or the UN which would undoubtedly get involved in such a scenario.

Cavalry Doc
01-31-2013, 11:01
Wait 'til all y'all see those scenes on CSI-Miami.

Hey, that's better than some conspiracy theories here.

Training in the actual environment you may be working in is critical for pilots.

Or, would you rather they wait until an emergency arises involving real terrorists with real bullets and bombs?

That's right, THAT won't happen AGAIN?

No, they are practicing among high rise building in Miami where American gun owners in Florida will hold up to hold off the feds when they come to confiscate firearms.

Using Occam's razor is really unfair with this group. :whistling:


Wanna take bets with how many of them just know that 9/11 was an inside job?

garya1961
01-31-2013, 14:55
9/11 may not have been an inside job but the inside is taking full advantage of it .
It's a fact that war games haven't ever been carried out in our cities on a scale like this before. Add to that that our government is stock piling ammo all around the country. There are also reports from top ranking officers in our military that they are being questioned on wheather they would fire on US citizens if ordered to.

hooligan74
01-31-2013, 15:33
...There are also reports from top ranking officers in our military that they are being questioned on wheather they would fire on US citizens if ordered to.

The only report I saw about that was some Dr. posting on Facebook that he'd "...heard from former senior military leaders...". You got something more concrete than that? Because that didn't exactly blow my skirt up.

:yawn:

RussP
01-31-2013, 15:38
9/11 may not have been an inside job but the inside is taking full advantage of it .
It's a fact that war games haven't ever been carried out in our cities on a scale like this before. Add to that that our government is stock piling ammo all around the country. There are also reports from top ranking officers in our military that they are being questioned on wheather they would fire on US citizens if ordered to.What scale is that?

Cavalry Doc
01-31-2013, 17:26
9/11 may not have been an inside job but the inside is taking full advantage of it .
It's a fact that war games haven't ever been carried out in our cities on a scale like this before. Add to that that our government is stock piling ammo all around the country. There are also reports from top ranking officers in our military that they are being questioned on wheather they would fire on US citizens if ordered to.

Scale? What, 4 choppers? A platoon of grunts???? over 10,000 active duty troops deployed post Katrina to the N.O. Area.

Have you any idea what a single AC-130 or a B52 could to to a city block? How about a single MLRS vehicle. I'm, thinking you aren't all that familiar with the scale.

If officers are being asked that, I would expect them to come forward and announce that it is one of the questions asked if they answer no, and are not selected for the next higher level.

Asking a question is one thing, if they drop the guys that answer yes, I'm cool with that. If they drop the guys that answer no, that needs to be flash traffic to all American citizens.

garya1961
01-31-2013, 18:22
Scale? What, 4 choppers? A platoon of grunts???? over 10,000 active duty troops deployed post Katrina to the N.O. Area.

Have you any idea what a single AC-130 or a B52 could to to a city block? How about a single MLRS vehicle. I'm, thinking you aren't all that familiar with the scale.

If officers are being asked that, I would expect them to come forward and announce that it is one of the questions asked if they answer no, and are not selected for the next higher level.

Asking a question is one thing, if they drop the guys that answer yes, I'm cool with that. If they drop the guys that answer no, that needs to be flash traffic to all American citizens.


Check this out. I'm not saying this is proof of anything but it is interesting.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-to-top-brass-will-you-fire-on-american-citizens/

I know they sat they are traing for missions overseas but why do they need to co-train with the local police?Are the police going overseas with them? I say they are training for battle right here. The question is who do they plan to battle against?
From LA.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/01/25/lapd-and-special-forces-conduct-military-maneuvers-in-the-skies-above-downtown-la/

Snowman92D
01-31-2013, 18:31
Using Occam's razor is really unfair with this group. :whistling:

Wanna take bets with how many of them just know that 9/11 was an inside job?

Nooo, Doc...! Please don't bring up 9-11, this thread will never end!!! :tinfoil:

Cavalry Doc
01-31-2013, 19:18
Check this out.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/oba...ican-citizens/ (http://www.westernjournalism.com/oba...ican-citizens/)

I know they sat they are traing for missions overseas but why do they need to co-train with the local police?Are the police going overseas with them? I say they are training for battle right here. The question is who do they plan to battle against?
From LA.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/...e-downtown-la/ (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/...e-downtown-la/)

In missions overseas, they interface and cooperate with locals, including police.

I say people have way too much time on their hands to be paranoid.

But hey, I'll sleep soundly tonight. I have choppers over my house all the time. I consider them "friendlies".


When the military turns on regular citizens, I'll be right there with you fighting them. Until that happens, I'm going to consider that paranoia just what it is, baseless paranoia.

garya1961
01-31-2013, 19:20
Nooo, Doc...! Please don't bring up 9-11, this thread will never end!!! :tinfoil:
Have you watched the videos I posted or did you just want to make a smart arse comment.

RussP
01-31-2013, 19:24
Have you watched the videos I posted or did you just want to make a smart arse comment.Neither link works for me.

Cavalry Doc
01-31-2013, 19:25
Nooo, Doc...! Please don't bring up 9-11, this thread will never end!!! :tinfoil:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5pE7UUxTR5s/Tm4dAIt1vCI/AAAAAAAAFL0/Nw5BkfZymGs/s1600/tinfoilhat.png


Girls wearing that much tinfoil are easily dismissed. Not everyone allowed on the internet is sane.

garya1961
01-31-2013, 19:50
Neither link works for me.
Sorry fixed it ,they work now.

garya1961
01-31-2013, 19:52
Check this out. I'm not
saying this is proof of anything but it is interesting.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-to-top-brass-will-you-fire-on-american-citizens/

I know they sat they are traing for missions overseas but why do they need to co-train with the local police?Are the police going overseas with them? I say they are training for battle right here. The question is who do they plan to battle against?
From LA.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/01/25/lapd-and-special-forces-conduct-military-maneuvers-in-the-skies-above-downtown-la/
Fixed the links.

garya1961
01-31-2013, 20:01
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5pE7UUxTR5s/Tm4dAIt1vCI/AAAAAAAAFL0/Nw5BkfZymGs/s1600/tinfoilhat.png


Girls wearing that much tinfoil are easily dismissed. Not everyone allowed on the internet is sane.
A lot of you said the same thing when people said Obungo was going to try to ban guns if re-elected.

Cavalry Doc
01-31-2013, 20:08
A lot of you said the same thing when people said Obungo was going to try to ban guns if re-elected.

I said Barry was going for an AWB if elected. That was based on his words, and strategic and operational knowledge.

Most of the 9/11 trooofers lack that.

garya1961
01-31-2013, 20:23
I said Barry was going for an AWB if elected. That was based on his words, and strategic and operational knowledge.

Most of the 9/11 trooofers lack that.
I'm not a some nut who thinks Bush is behind 9/11. As for this tread I have posted local news that I think is strange and also seems odd that it hasn't been on the national news.
I think something unusual is going on if that makes me a nut then so be it.

happyguy
01-31-2013, 20:31
I might actually concerned they are training for a response due to intelligence they have regarding a threat to us from jihadists or their handlers. Hezbollah maybe?

"Plans within plans."

Regards,
Comrade Happyguy :)

jlavallee
01-31-2013, 20:41
Yeah, our government would never conduct a false flag on US soil. Besides, all the 9/11 questions have been answered.

La, la, la, la, I can't hear you. If it conflicts with belief system, throw the data out.

That people actually believe guys with box cutters were able to do that and hell, that anyone believes a plane simply vanished at the Pentagon is hilarious.

happyguy
01-31-2013, 20:45
http://youtu.be/XVSRm80WzZk

Regards,
Comrade Happyguy :)

Cavalry Doc
02-01-2013, 04:44
I'm not a some nut who thinks Bush is behind 9/11. As for this tread I have posted local news that I think is strange and also seems odd that it hasn't been on the national news.
I think something unusual is going on if that makes me a nut then so be it.

Military training with civilians has been going on a long time all over the world. I've conducted mass casualty drills that involved simulated attacks on US facilities in Germany that included German fire departments and hospitals, this was PRE-9/11. The german border police and the Army did combined training often in the mid 80's. Maybe because I've seen it, my mind doesn't jump to nefarious and dire reasons.

Cavalry Doc
02-01-2013, 04:45
http://youtu.be/XVSRm80WzZk

Regards,
Comrade Happyguy :)


See? :whistling:

Cavalry Doc
02-01-2013, 04:57
Yeah, our government would never conduct a false flag on US soil. Besides, all the 9/11 questions have been answered.

La, la, la, la, I can't hear you. If it conflicts with belief system, throw the data out.

That people actually believe guys with box cutters were able to do that and hell, that anyone believes a plane simply vanished at the Pentagon is hilarious.


If you understood about human nature, that even military personnel were trained to be passive during a hijack since the TWA flight 847 hijacking in 1985, yeah, if you thought you would land and the negotiations would begin shortly, you would let the guys go and be quiet. Flight 93 is an example of what happens when the passengers figure out there is no safe landing planned.

The amount of people and interagency cooperation it would take to stage that is monumental, complete secrecy in that controversial of an operation with that many people is impossible enough to stop one from contemplating it the earliest stages. That, and I've spoken to people that watched a airliner crash onto the pentagon, from the outside. Ninja hypnotists with predator movie armor? OR maybe it was an airliner? Occam's razor applies on 9/11, and in these exersizes.

jlavallee
02-01-2013, 05:20
That, and I've spoken to people that watched a airliner crash onto the pentagon, from the outside. Ninja hypnotists with predator movie armor? OR maybe it was an airliner? Occam's razor applies on 9/11, and in these exersizes.

Sure it did, that is why they couldn't even find engines in "wreckage" and the lawn was "replaced" before any real questions could be asked, the building where the most powerful military in the world is run and not one image or piece of video showing a plane. :faint:

Who and how deep the involvement goes remains to be seen but 9/11 has far too many elements unanswered for any rational person to accept the BS story. You can't answer the questions just as nobody else can because there are too many things that are impossible to explain. But they spread the propaganda and encourage folks to call people truthers and question their patriotism. Most people simply don't want to believe or even admit that such things are common through history and yes, from our government too.

Cavalry Doc
02-01-2013, 05:36
Sure it did, that is why they couldn't even find engines in "wreckage" and the lawn was "replaced" before any real questions could be asked, the building where the most powerful military in the world is run and not one image or piece of video showing a plane. :faint:

Who and how deep the involvement goes remains to be seen but 9/11 has far too many elements unanswered for any rational person to accept the BS story. You can't answer the questions just as nobody else can because there are too many things that are impossible to explain. But they spread the propaganda and encourage folks to call people truthers and question their patriotism. Most people simply don't want to believe or even admit that such things are common through history and yes, from our government too.

I can't teach you what you are unwilling to learn. I'm also not questioning your patriotism, just your knowledge of how plans are made, operations are executed and basic human nature.

But for the others, pictures of aircraft parts inside the pentagon after the attack:
http://rense.com/general32/phot.htm


The person that told me that they saw the plane fly into the pentagon was another PA, not a double-oh spy, or a psyops jedi master. Just another person on an admin tour in the pentagon on her way to work.

jlavallee
02-01-2013, 07:42
I can't teach you what you are unwilling to learn. I'm also not questioning your patriotism, just your knowledge of how plans are made, operations are executed and basic human nature.


I have to admit that I hadn't seen all of those but look at those pictures. How did parts on a wing get inside the hole in the wall? What about the lawn being re-sodded right away, the approach angle, the fact that no pictures of the plane exist.

Like the 9/11 report, the answers given usually just give an out to those wanting to accept the answer. I'll admit that I am looking for issues with the story because of the obvious BS on a few items like tower 7 and the rate of collapse of the trade towers.

Cavalry Doc
02-01-2013, 08:28
I have to admit that I hadn't seen all of those but look at those pictures. How did parts on a wing get inside the hole in the wall? What about the lawn being re-sodded right away, the approach angle, the fact that no pictures of the plane exist.

Like the 9/11 report, the answers given usually just give an out to those wanting to accept the answer. I'll admit that I am looking for issues with the story because of the obvious BS on a few items like tower 7 and the rate of collapse of the trade towers.


That much kinetic energy with that large of an explosion cause a lot of things that would seem weird to people that haven't had a lot of experience with messy explosions. There are precision munitions too, and I've even seen art created with det cord and steel. Did you see all of the eye witness accounts?

Just like all other messy things, anomalies occur. Drinking straws stuck into trees in a tornado, stuff like that. It's one thing to wonder how a particular anomoly or poorly understood thing happened, it's another to invent a secret nefarious plan with a cast of thousands all with 100% perfection and operational security. Not to mention, you have a few thousand smart fellows that happen to be warriors, that MIGHT be a little ticked that you killed a bunch of their coworkers.

Do you really think Holder ad Obama wanted you to know about Fast and Furious???

Stuff gets out.


The point being that it's generally not an accurate way to go about things, when you have a small amount of information to go about imagining large scale plans and the motivations behind them.

One thing I've been waiting for, is in the initial video, are you really sure the blanks were fired from the helicopter? In high rise building areas, sound echoes a lot, and it's difficult to nail down where sound come from. Ever been in a large city and heard an ambulance coming but couldn't figure out what direction it was coming from before you saw it? Same thing.

Bottom line: looking at the story and the video, coming to the conclusion that this is for sure a preparation for the military attacking US citizens requires bucketloads of brain spackel.

http://www.zenovate.us/images/Brain%20Spackle%20D%20230px.jpg

garya1961
02-01-2013, 09:10
I dont think aliens built the pyramids and I don't think 9/11was an inside job. I do think our government is preparing for something and they don't want us to know what it is. It could be a terrorist attack or martial law. I don't know what they are getting ready for but I don't want to get blind sided by it either. The sheep can call me crazy but I am not the type to follow the rest of the flock into the slaughter house.

Cavalry Doc
02-01-2013, 10:13
The best way to control humans is to make them happy and prosperous. Happy and prosperous people don't revolt.

If you think FEMA camps and gas chambers would work, you've underestimated your neighbors.

garya1961
02-01-2013, 14:03
The best way to control humans is to make them happy and prosperous. Happy and prosperous people don't revolt.

If you think FEMA camps and gas chambers would work, you've underestimated your neighbors.


Happy and prosperous? The only ones our gov is making happy and prosperous are the ones sitting on their butts waiting for a check.

Cavalry Doc
02-01-2013, 14:07
Happy and prosperous? The only ones our gov is making happy and prosperous are the ones sitting on their butts waiting for a check.

A whole lot of us aren't going to be doing very well pretty soon. I'm all for sustenance level welfare only. Dirt floors, clean water, indoor or outdoor plumbing, soup kitchens, heat, maybe air conditioning. No phones, no game consoles, no new cars etc.

We'd still have some of the richest poor people in the world.

Ruble Noon
02-01-2013, 14:33
Happy and prosperous? The only ones our gov is making happy and prosperous are the ones sitting on their butts waiting for a check.

I beg to differ, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, BofA, GE, GM, several defunct "green" energy companies, politicians etc. are all being enriched by the government via the tax payer.

garya1961
02-01-2013, 18:59
Deleted and moved to new tread.