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frank4570
02-03-2013, 17:00
I'm clearly not a republican. But I'm certainly not a democrat. My team, the libertarians, hasn't been doing so well. So, I'm thinking maybe I should throw in with the repubs and help where I can. If the dems have their way we will all lose our 2nd amendment rights, so supporting the repubs is the best choice as far as I can tell.
Any suggestions for a local level kind of thing?

G17Jake
02-03-2013, 18:33
If you can get connected with the local TEA Party that may be a place to start? I'm not sure how to locate them if you don't know anyone already involved in it.

JBnTX
02-03-2013, 21:42
I'm clearly not a republican. But I'm certainly not a democrat. My team, the libertarians, hasn't been doing so well. So, I'm thinking maybe I should throw in with the repubs and help where I can. If the dems have their way we will all lose our 2nd amendment rights, so supporting the repubs is the best choice as far as I can tell.
Any suggestions for a local level kind of thing?

Welcome to the party....:wavey:

The only way to change things is from within the republican party.

The holier than thou libertarians who just stand on the sidelines and throw rocks at the republicans will never accomplish anything except divide the republican party and hand the election to the democrats every time.

For every disgruntled libertarian that refused to vote for Romney, a welfare sucker went to the polls and voted for Obama. And you see the result.

You have to stay engaged in the fight, even when things don't go your way. Supporting the republican party is the best way to do that.

G17Jake
02-03-2013, 21:49
Welcome to the party....:wavey:

The only way to change things is from within the republican party.

The holier than thou libertarians who just stand on the sidelines and throw rocks at the republicans will never accomplish anything except divide the republican party and hand the election to the democrats every time.

For every disgruntled libertarian that refused to vote for Romney, a welfare sucker went to the polls and voted for Obama. And you see the result.

You have to stay engaged in the fight, even when things don't go your way. Supporting the republican party is the best way to do that.

I have supported the Republican Party for decades, but I will only support individual candidates.

One thing for Frank to do is send a letter to the GOP stating that he really wants to support the Republican Party, but only if they have conservative candidates. Tell them as far as he is concerned, insiders like Rove can hit the road.

janice6
02-03-2013, 22:05
I agree with the above posters.

The best way to fight a bully is to join a gang that has your interests at heart. If your gang has some things they support, that you do not like, work from within to change them. But remember, the greater your numbers, the better your chances of beating down your bully.

Greater numbers is power, donating money is buying freedom. Politicians are bought and sold. They have no conscience, and you have the same right to buy their favors as anyone else. Donate for your cause. Fight your bullies the same way they fight you, only with more vengeance, fight to win.

stevelyn
02-04-2013, 03:33
I'm clearly not a republican. But I'm certainly not a democrat. My team, the libertarians, hasn't been doing so well. So, I'm thinking maybe I should throw in with the repubs and help where I can. If the dems have their way we will all lose our 2nd amendment rights, so supporting the repubs is the best choice as far as I can tell.
Any suggestions for a local level kind of thing?

We truly have to compromise our principles if we wish to survive. My principles are libertarian, but I have to cast my lot with the republicans most times because they are the lesser of the evils of the two big parties.

Vote libertarian where you may have a good chance of winning and republican for damage control and to slow the handbasket when you don't.

VinnieD
02-04-2013, 04:14
I'd also suggest voting Libertarian when it's safe to do so. If the winner is already clear, vote your conscience. Gary Johnson got my vote here in Mississippi because even if a group of swine were called a flock, republicans will always take this state.

akroguy
02-04-2013, 04:26
I'd also suggest voting Libertarian when it's safe to do so. If the winner is already clear, vote your conscience. Gary Johnson got my vote here in Mississippi because even if a group of swine were called a flock, republicans will always take this state.

And Gary is a fine man and a far FAR better choice than Barry the Marxist or Rino Romney. He's the only one who could have actually started fumigating the swamp on Potomac. He kicked ass here in NM as Governor, veto'd hundreds of idiotic bills and balanced the state budget. I fear this country is drunk on spending our children's future and unwilling to take the necessary steps Gary would have brought to the fore.

Skyhook
02-04-2013, 05:32
I find my alignment with Republicans not so much a love for them nor a great admiration for their humanitarian accomplishments, but rather that of a reasoned choice to have nothing to do with those who call themselves 'Democrats', 'Socialists' or 'Fundamental Transformers'.

Even within the Republican Party, one will find misdirected people resentful of a freedom- and American-loving person.

I like George's reflections when weighing weighty things.

In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
Liberal: a power worshipper without power.
George Orwell

gwalchmai
02-04-2013, 05:49
Any suggestions for a local level kind of thing?Make a donation to the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Political Victory Fund (http://www.nysrpa-pvf.org/).

Skyhook
02-04-2013, 05:56
Make a donation to the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Political Victory Fund (http://www.nysrpa-pvf.org/).

:thumbsup: Excellent suggestion! :thumbsup:

The fight is building into a rage and money is badly needed.

Folks from other states would do well to know if the war is won in NYS, then it will most likely be kept from their homes & hunting lands.

pugman
02-04-2013, 07:28
My team

This is the point where the politicians have beaten you. If you are single issue voter (be it abortion, the 2A, gay marriage, etc.) you have also been coned. For the record, Iím not a democrat or republican, conservative or liberal. If someone needs to try and pigeon hole me I always throw them for a loop and say Iím a limited government, free market Libertarian with Anarchistic streaks.

Thinking of politics as a ďteamĒ sport means someone wins and someone loses. Politicians have played the second greatest trick in the history of the world convincing the American populace there are only two parties to vote for. They do a fine job of convincing people they are the last line of defense against the evil other side all along collecting political contributions. If you havenít noticed, the Democrats have been masters of this for the past 5-6 years.

I vote Republican when I have no choice. I realize a third party candidate who I think is better but has no chance in h*** of winning might make me feel warm and fuzzy Ė but in the very end it doesnít matter.

If you feel the need to think of this as a team sport (and for the record, I support full contact) your team should be the American Public the opponent is the federal and state government. Republican/Democrat are two sides of the same coin. Libertarian (who I agree with on a lot of platform issues) might pick up a seat or two on a local/state/federal level but they wonít have the financial backing necessary to win elections for the foreseeable future. Truth be told: for the most part money buys elections now.

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 07:52
I'd also suggest voting Libertarian when it's safe to do so. If the winner is already clear, vote your conscience. Gary Johnson got my vote here in Mississippi because even if a group of swine were called a flock, republicans will always take this state.

I take a different approach. If the race is between a Libertarian, Republican & Democrat, I vote Republican. If the race is between a Libertarian and a Republican, I vote libertarian. That was the case in a lot of races for judge last time.

frank4570
02-04-2013, 07:59
I have supported the Republican Party for decades, but I will only support individual candidates.

One thing for Frank to do is send a letter to the GOP stating that he really wants to support the Republican Party, but only if they have conservative candidates. Tell them as far as he is concerned, insiders like Rove can hit the road.

That's a bit of a trick though. Lots of the republicans who claim the label "conservative" are actually christian statists which is not conservative at all.

Skyhook
02-04-2013, 08:05
That's a bit of a trick though. Lots of the republicans who claim the label "conservative" are actually christian statists which is not conservative at all.


"christian statists and so the labeling continues.

"christian statists " who on earth thinks like that?!?:dunno:

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 08:07
"christian statists and so the labeling continues.

"christian statists " who on earth thinks like that?!?:dunno:

Atheist anarchists??? :dunno:

gwalchmai
02-04-2013, 08:10
"christian statists and so the labeling continues.

"christian statists " who on earth thinks like that?!?:dunno:Atheist statists.

JBnTX
02-04-2013, 08:17
That's a bit of a trick though. Lots of the republicans who claim the label "conservative" are actually christian statists which is not conservative at all.

Christian statists?...:rofl:

That's a new one. Let's give it a definition:

A Christian statist is one who scares me because I don't want my activities hindered by the concept of right and wrong, and since I disagree with them they must support big government.

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frank4570
02-04-2013, 08:33
Christian statists?...:rofl:

That's a new one. Let's give it a definition:

A Christian statist is one who scares me because I don't want my activities hindered by the concept of right and wrong, and since I disagree with them they must support big government.

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It's just a descriptive term. Whatever, there has to be words used to describe christians who want to force americans to follow christian beliefs, by using the govt to do so. Whatever they are, they are not conservatives.

Barry Goldwater
"I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism.""

JBnTX
02-04-2013, 08:38
It's just a descriptive term. Whatever, there has to be words used to describe christians who want to force americans to follow christian beliefs, by using the govt to do so. Whatever they are, they are not conservatives.

Barry Goldwater
"I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism.""

You do know that Barry Goldwater is dead and that he said that over 50 years ago?

Can you name any Christian or Christian group that, "who want to force americans to follow christian beliefs, by using the govt to do so."?

What exactly are "Christian beliefs"?

frank4570
02-04-2013, 08:45
You do know that Barry Goldwater is dead and that he said that over 50 years ago?

Can you name any Christian or Christian group that, "who want to force americans to follow christian beliefs, by using the govt to do so."?

What exactly are "Christian beliefs"?

I could start with the 700 club, but it would be a very small start on a very big list.
People who want to force other people to obey christian morality laws are not conservatives. Wanting to collect taxes, and increase the size of the government to further the ideals of a religious group is the opposite of conservative.

plainsman
02-04-2013, 08:48
Socialist gun grabbers will stop at nothing, we should run one with some little kid telling his father not to register his firearms, as the kid doesn't want his family rounded up- like the history of other gunowners.....

Hitler& Stalin had image problems too, but they took warm and fuzzy pictures surrounded by children, and the simpletons forgot all their crimes. People too soon forget.

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 08:57
I could start with the 700 club, but it would be a very small start on a very big list.
People who want to force other people to obey christian morality laws are not conservatives. Wanting to collect taxes, and increase the size of the government to further the ideals of a religious group is the opposite of conservative.

There are extremists on both sides of the theist/atheist and government issue.

Can you tell me what you currently can't do now, but wish you could, because of Christian pushed laws, and what freedoms you have a realistic chance of losing in the near future due to these "Christian Statists"?

JBnTX
02-04-2013, 09:00
I could start with the 700 club, but it would be a very small start on a very big list.
People who want to force other people to obey christian morality laws are not conservatives. Wanting to collect taxes, and increase the size of the government to further the ideals of a religious group is the opposite of conservative.

Please let's be specific because you've brought up a very important subject, and you did ask to talk to republicans here.

If anything the 700 Club is anti-government, and tries to distance itself from government, not use it to control you.

Nobody wants to "force" anyone to obey Christian morality laws. If there even is such a thing?

What Christian morality laws do you fear the most?
Thou shalt not kill?, Thou shalt not steal?, Thou shalt not lie?,
Honor your father and mother? Do not covet? Take a day off each week and rest?

There are already laws in this country covering most of those so called "Christian beliefs" Do you fear them too?

No religious group wants to pay more taxes or encourage bigger government. In fact, churches are tax exempt and want to stay that way.

And being religious in no way determines a persons political affiliation. There are plenty of Christian liberals and conservatives both.

Using Christianity as a scapegoat for your fear of government is misguided. If anything, the Christian right is on your side.

frank4570
02-04-2013, 09:47
Prohibition was a christian morality law. The anti-gay marriage laws are christian morality laws. The anti-abortion laws were christian morality laws. The war on drugs is christian morality laws. And they are all anti-conservative. The war on drugs in particular is a morality disaster.

I don't know why you are so desperate to be able to call christian laws "conservative", they are not.

I'm not going to continue this with you. Forcing other people to live a certain way because you believe it is right, even though their actions do not harm other people, is exactly NOT conservative. I'm done with this. You are going to "believe" what you want to anyway.

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 10:09
Prohibition was a christian morality law. The anti-gay marriage laws are christian morality laws. The anti-abortion laws were christian morality laws. The war on drugs is christian morality laws. And they are all anti-conservative. The war on drugs in particular is a morality disaster.

I don't know why you are so desperate to be able to call christian laws "conservative", they are not.

I'm not going to continue this with you. Forcing other people to live a certain way because you believe it is right, even though their actions do not harm other people, is exactly NOT conservative. I'm done with this. You are going to "believe" what you want to anyway.

Alcohol is legal, abortion is legal. Both have been for quite a while. Marijuana is now legal in two states. Gay marriage is a new concept in the USA, it's working it's way into acceptance. That stuff takes time. The rest of the drug war needs to be overhauled, but not before there are some safeguards to make sure users are paying their own way.

I had asked you what you could not do that you wanted to do because of current or likely upcoming laws. So, what is there. As far as I can tell, I had to wait until noon to buy beer for the superbowl, that's about it.

What desire of yours is being currently suppressed?

Skyhook
02-04-2013, 10:15
Prohibition was a christian morality law. The anti-gay marriage laws are christian morality laws. The anti-abortion laws were christian morality laws. The war on drugs is christian morality laws. And they are all anti-conservative. The war on drugs in particular is a morality disaster.

I don't know why you are so desperate to be able to call christian laws "conservative", they are not.

I'm not going to continue this with you. Forcing other people to live a certain way because you believe it is right, even though their actions do not harm other people, is exactly NOT conservative. I'm done with this. You are going to "believe" what you want to anyway.


So there.


Anyhow, what Obama and his dem/soc/Marxist monkeys are doing today is forcing Christians to abandon their beliefs and support homosexual (NOT *gay*) marriage, infanticide, the total disintegration of the family structure.. all while ruining the economy and health care industry.

Of course, if we just simply went for the Fundamental Transformation crap I suppose we could all 'doan wurry, be happy' our way into nothingness and become another African continent.:upeyes:

JBnTX
02-04-2013, 12:58
I don't know why you are so desperate to be able to call christian laws "conservative", they are not.



Do you know that a large percentage of ALL our laws come from the Bible? Like it or not, this country was founded on Judeo Christian beliefs and value systems.

It has nothing to do with being conservative.

I won't insult you with why I think your anti-Christian, but Christians are not your enemy.

You have a bigger enemy to worry about in this country.
One that will impose very severe restrictions on your behavior.

Far more restrictive than any so called "Christian law"?

Kablam
02-04-2013, 13:16
Prohibition was a christian morality law. The anti-gay marriage laws are christian morality laws. The anti-abortion laws were christian morality laws. The war on drugs is christian morality laws. And they are all anti-conservative. The war on drugs in particular is a morality disaster.

I don't know why you are so desperate to be able to call christian laws "conservative", they are not.

I'm not going to continue this with you. Forcing other people to live a certain way because you believe it is right, even though their actions do not harm other people, is exactly NOT conservative. I'm done with this. You are going to "believe" what you want to anyway.

So abortions don't harm other people?

Skyhook
02-04-2013, 13:22
So abortions don't harm other people?

And---> 'families' with no father, multiple fathers, multiple mothers, kids who have no idea of structure, discipline, or limits-- that also "hurts no one"?

Check the adolescent crime stats. :eyebrow:

sugarcreek
02-04-2013, 13:37
I'm clearly not a republican. But I'm certainly not a democrat. My team, the libertarians, hasn't been doing so well. So, I'm thinking maybe I should throw in with the repubs and help where I can. If the dems have their way we will all lose our 2nd amendment rights, so supporting the repubs is the best choice as far as I can tell.
Any suggestions for a local level kind of thing?

...clearly to me the LIBERTARIAN heart belongs
in the struggle to clarify the GOP...

frank4570
02-04-2013, 20:55
I had asked you what you could not do that you wanted to do because of current or likely upcoming laws. So, what is there. As far as I can tell, I had to wait until noon to buy beer for the superbowl, that's about it.

What desire of yours is being currently suppressed?

Nice try.:tongueout:

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 21:35
Nice try.:tongueout:

Try? That's a straight forward question. You are claiming to be repressed, how?

frank4570
02-04-2013, 22:32
Try? That's a straight forward question. You are claiming to be repressed, how?

Sure.:whistling:
I have LOTS of friends who's lives violate the christian morality laws. They don't bother anybody, and they just want to be left alone.

certifiedfunds
02-04-2013, 22:53
Welcome to the party....:wavey:

The only way to change things is from within the republican party.

The holier than thou libertarians who just stand on the sidelines and throw rocks at the republicans will never accomplish anything except divide the republican party and hand the election to the democrats every time.

For every disgruntled libertarian that refused to vote for Romney, a welfare sucker went to the polls and voted for Obama. And you see the result.

You have to stay engaged in the fight, even when things don't go your way. Supporting the republican party is the best way to do that.

No offense, JB, but Republicans that hold the views you do are the one's we throw rocks at.

ChuteTheMall
02-04-2013, 23:12
Abolition of slavery was a Christian morality position, but your support for the Anti-Christ as demonstrated by your Anti-Christian views is not what I consider conservative.
Our founding fathers would agree.

You wouldn't even make it through the first sentence of the Declaration of Independence without running up against the fact that signing that document absolutely required that you believed in God; you couldn't make it through the second sentence without having to acknowledge that men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.

You are just throwing words around, are you new at pretending to be a conservative Republican?

JBnTX
02-04-2013, 23:20
Sure.:whistling:
I have LOTS of friends who's lives violate the christian morality laws. They don't bother anybody, and they just want to be left alone.

Please explain what your friends do that violates these so called Christian morality laws?

How can a person that just wants to be left alone be violating any law?

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